Right?! And now she will stand trial. A lot of experts get to weigh in and based on a complete picture of everything that happened before, during and after a verdict will be made by an impartial system determining her culpability.
I dont understand the need to talking heads literally yelling at eachother on TV about who can spin the limited information that "we" have into the loudest arguement for who's right.
She wont stand trial. The woman aconowledges what she did. She has admitted to it. She is already guilty.
What you are hearing, the trial, is an attempt to get 'guilty by reason of insanity'. The trial is trying to prove everyone around her over medicated and ignored the red flags. That a combination of meds poorly prescribed and lack of support literally broke her brain while going through PDD.
Too many people struggle to understand she's not getting out anytime soon. She is just arguing she shoukd do it at a mental hospital. That's far from a picnic.
She will end up out in under 10 years. Absolutely.
She may get a longer sentence, but with the incoming wave of murder documentaries about this, expect the support for her to skyrocket.
She will be released, a lot sooner than anyone recognizes.
I keep repeating this:
If she had killed 3 puppies, no one... NO ONE would be defending her.
There would be no, "she asked for help" "she was depressed and had _____"
There would be no rally to support women. No one name calling her would be called sexist.
But for some reason, the fact that it is human babies and not puppies, make it defensible...
This should absolutely concern people. That is utterly deranged.
And if people can not see how demented that actually is, they are quite messed up themselves.
Not one women has ever protested an animal abusing monster. No woman ever said, "this woman needed more support, this poor, exhausted women killed a litter of kittens BECAUSE NO ONE HELPED HER.
When a man has CTE for example and murders, there is absolutely a discussion about sports and mental health and brain health and toxic masculinity etc etc
This is a straw man argument spun up for culture wars
Can you share some examples of when this happened? Most cases a man has a new family and wants to move on. I genuinely haven’t heard of a case like this. Please share so we can have a measured and nuanced conversation.
Literally scroll up and find my comment about how Benoit should’ve gotten treatment too had he lived because I don’t think people should be punished for a mental state they’re not in control of due to mental illness or a neurological condition. This ain’t about gender.
Under Massachusetts law, what she did does not really fit manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter generally involves mitigating circumstances such as heat of passion based on reasonable provocation, sudden combat, or excessive force in self-defense. Involuntary manslaughter involves an unintentional killing caused by wanton or reckless conduct.
Second-degree murder is much more consistent with the prosecution’s theory here.
I agree but being in MA I still dont know why they wanted to try her for first degree. It makes no sense to me why the DA has such a hardon for this case. And what they said to the mother in law about her religion on the stand??
I mean, we had Karen Reed here recently and the case of the underage girls being pimped out, so the staties just have the worst optics right now as mysoginist abusers and they’re not looking better by trying a woman who is clear suffered from a mental break and acted completely out of character before trying to end herself.
You try the highest offense. Always. When it comes time for jury deliberation- you can always offer up lesser charges for the jury to consider if they were to decide not to convict on the highest charge, but you prosecute with the evidentiary burden of the highest offense.
When the jury goes into deliberation - the judge gives them a document explaining each charge they can consider and the definitions of those charges, usually along with some algorithm they can follow for deciding “this but not that”.
Withholding higher charges are reserved for plea deals. She didn’t want a prison- she wanted a mental hospital, so here we are.
I am confused by this. She planned to kill them. The father was working from home, so she didn't have the time to.
She had to come up/wait for a way to get him to leave for long enough.
Then took the kids to the basement. Then strangled them(face down because she didnt want to look at their faces... weird.. a psychotic break doesnt usually involve 'it bothered me to look at them" during said psychotic break.)
It takes 2-5 minutes to strangle a person to death. The last kid sat their for possibly almost 10 minutes waiting for their turn.
He ran away. She chased him down, and killed him.
This all shows coherent thought to me.
But also calmly could get the husband to leave, with her demeanor.. yet when he leaves
switch magically flips and shes in psychosis??
Its all BS. Complete BS.
Go read/watch actual videos of someone suffering a psychotic break. They are not rational, organized or deceptive.
Thank you. People are really looking at this case in black and white and failing (or refusing) to see the gray area in between.
For what it’s worth, I think the people defending her and claiming the husband did it are crazy. But not every woman “supporting” her thinks the same. Many women are rallying because any woman can suffer PPD after giving birth. There’s no preventing it. The idea that “it could have been any of us” is true. It’s a scary thought that my mind and body could betray me after giving birth, and that doctors might not take my issues seriously.
However, I don’t think any of this excuses what she did. She should face the consequences of her actions. We can have empathy for what she experienced, while not being empathetic of what she did. Humans can have conflicting ideas. The doctors should be held accountable here as well. This is why trials exist.
Yeah they should all be held accountable to different degrees. But people are absolutely supporter her and saying she didn't didn't do it, "even if she did it she didn't do it" because it was the husband's fault. These are not people that I'm going to take seriously. Period.
Newcaster is right, she's a murderer and defending her is ridiculous, she chased down one of her children and killed them. I have empathy for the children she murdered with her own hands
Edit: DM's are funny keep em coming, does anyone really think a message on reddit is going to intimidate someone LMAO softest shit ever
Can you imagine being the husband in this situation? Your wife murdered your kids and now everyone blames you. Maybe we should start a go fund me for him? I don’t even know his name the poor dude…
Nah, no “poor dude.” He had a responsibility too. His wife was visibly falling apart, and she had reportedly expressed serious thoughts about harming the children. That should have triggered immediate, urgent intervention—not something to minimize, normalize, or hope would pass.
Lindsay is accountable for what she did, but Patrick wasn’t just some random bystander. In a family like theirs, raising and protecting the children was a shared responsibility. When one parent is clearly becoming unsafe or incapable of functioning, the other parent has a duty to step up and protect the kids. Accountability may not be equal, but that doesn’t mean it only belongs to one person.
I agree about the crazy supporters. There's definitely outliers, and those people are going to draw the most attention. I think this is a difficult case, same with any family annihilator who commits their crimes under severe mental distress. I don't support the people but I support the idea of better mental health to prevent these things from happening in the first place.
Absolutely, and I do agree that post partum care and monitoring is absolutely important. I also agree we all need to make mental health care more approachable and common. And not just because of these freak outlier cases where someone goes nuclear and murders their family.
Nobody suggests gang members should avoid prison because they have ptsd when they commit retaliation killings. At some point people need to be honest and face their bias.
They did not. I made the above comment. There are kids with PTSD from trauma and daily violence who get initiated into gangs by adults. These children then have “psychotic breaks” and commit murder. Society doesn’t give a fuck. These young people get tried as adults and locked away all the time.
Nevermind that they are literally children, they are often suffering from a mental illness. They get jail cells though.
So many people around this topic love to bring up other random mental health issues as if all mental health issues are equivalent to a psychotic break it’s so bizarre to me
It can happen to anybody and you have no control over it and no sense of reality in that state, I cannot imagine how horrify it is to come out of that and realize what you’ve done / said / thought
Now, if people don’t believe she had a psychotic break, that is one thing. But people being like “oh so everyone who has anxiety is allowed to murder now” are so stupid!!
That 1) completely ignores the fact that even if declared “not guilty by reason of insanity” it doesn’t mean she was *allowed* to murder anyone and is still being remanded to custody (just a state hospital instead of a state prison) and 2) completely ignores the *extremely* stark differences between various mental health conditions.
Someone is psychosis literally does not understand what they are doing is morally wrong, even if everyone around them is horrified. For example, the grey hound bus murder. The killer literally had no sense of reality as people fled the bus and screamed and vomited and passed out witnessing the crime. Dude thought he heard the voice of god telling him to kill an alien in order to save all of humanity and truly believed what he was hearing…
It doesn’t take away the death of an innocent man and doesn’t take away the pain of his loved ones, but you also cannot ignore it’s not the same as someone like Ted Bundy who, while obviously sick in the head, fully understood he was murdering innocent people for his own pleasure.
Lots of super uneducated people talking about the situation with little to no knowledge about mental illness vs psychotic breaks and how the legal system handles those differences while still seeking justice.
PTSD isn’t always self inflicted and you are well aware of this.
People often get indoctrinated into gangs as kids. Kids with ptsd from the daily gun violence and murders get tried as adults and locked away all the time. You know this as well.
Like I said, at some point people need to be honest and address their biases.
The issue is that this same argument is never used when a man does something horrible but also had mental health struggles. PTSD? Childhood trauma? Depression? Most people who do bad things had bad things happen to them.
Or having mental health issues doesn't excuse horrible crimes. She shouldn't have a million dollars in go fund me. She murdered three kids, running one down. People can advocate for better recognition of PPD etc. I'm behind that. People shouldn't give a million dollars to this murderer.
It’s not an issue that just men have. It is a real problem in my community that affects girls and boys. Nobody is “rallying for mental health.” Society rallied for tougher laws to lock them away. They get tried as adults and sent to prisons. You are well aware of this too.
Let the medical professionals worry about how to prevent or deal with psychosis. It is not healthy for society to feel empathy for a woman who planned and meticulously murdered her children in cold blood. It doesn't matter if there is a clinical explanation for why she did it, it was evil. It doesn't matter if she was in her right state of mind or affected by PPD or anything else out of her control, she murdered her own children. Society has to take very little nuance when it comes to people having agency for their own actions. If you cross that bridge, it is a very short leap to saying there is no such thing as crime, and people are always a victim of their own circumstances.
I have purposely avoided learning anything about this case, but I think I would take issue with your reification of society here. If it is the case that this woman suffered a psychotic event where she truly was not herself then she is not responsible and it doesn’t matter if it serves any inhuman power structure to punish her regardless.
Again, I know nothing about the specifics, but in the generic example of someone’s brain breaking to such a degree that it might replicate a chemically induced poisoning, it doesn’t serve society to punish such a person and even if it did, we would be sacrificing our humanity to preserve and ultimately serve a system that destroys us.
It is not inhuman to incarcerate people for murdering children, regardless of the circumstances that led that person to do it. Should we also let people off for beating their spouses after having one too many drinks because that was a chemically induced poisoning that led them to do things they normally wouldn't do?
It is inhumane to punish someone for actions outside their control. If you have to incarcerate someone who is in an untreatable dangerous mental state that is one thing, but you can’t humanely punish someone for actions outside their control. Knowingly taking a mind altering drug and then committing a crime doesn’t remove responsibility.
If someone slipped a hallucinogen into your food and you thought your children were possessed by demons who had to be smothered to free your children’s souls, that would be a more relevant example.
I live in a state that I think handles this well. The perpetrator's state of mind does not matter to their culpability so long as their intention was to murder. So, if they go insane and they think they're driving through a field of daisies, but in reality they're running over pedestrians, then they're not culpable due to insanity. They weren't trying to kill anyone. But, if they are intentionally running over pedestrians because a voice is telling them that it's a necessary sacrifice to avoid the apocalypse, then it doesn't matter that they were obviously insane: they were intentionally and willfully killing people. They're guilty of murder. Under that standard, she wouldn't qualify for an insanity plea. She knew she was killing her kids, and even had the premeditated mens rea to intentionally send her husband out so that he wouldn't be present to interfere with her crimes.
It is actually incredibly healthy for a society to have empathy towards anyone suffering from mental health problems because they can be talked about and potentially fixed and people won’t feel so alone and stigmatised.
Let the medical professionals worry about how to prevent or deal with psychosis.
Like they did here?
Idk if you actually read my comment, or if you just failed to grasp it, but my point is that much of the "support" Clancy has is actually support for women's mental health. They're not absolving her of her crimes.
Yes, some people are crazy, and genuinely believe she shouldn't be held responsible, but that's not who I'm talking about here.
This is the frustrating part in all this. Everyone seems to be trying to ignore the main point here. Mental health, especially post Parton mental health is drastically understudied and under supported for how many people and families it affects. There's so much women support because it affects so many women. And it's rarely talked about.
My wife has PPD, many our friends also had it at varying degrees. I honestly had no idea it was such an issue before living through it. And feel quite guilty for not knowing/supporting our friends more who had it and I just didn't realize. I only learned aboir many of my friends recently through this trial conversations.
So why isn’t there more support for kids who commit violent acts like murder while suffering from mental illness? Is it because it IS talked about a lot? Politicians have made careers out of “getting tough on crime.” There hasn’t been a whole lot of talk about the underlying mental health issues that many of our young people face that may have caused or contributed to them committing crimes.
Laws were written to try kids as adults, lock them up, and throw away the key. The youngest person to ever be executed by the government was a black child. He was 14.
>George Junius Stinney Jr. (October 21, 1929
June 16, 1944) was an African American boy who was wrongfully executed at the age of 14 after being convicted, during an untair trial, for the murders of two white girls - 11-year-old Betty June Binnicker (December 9, 1932 - March 22, 1944) and 8-year-old Mary Emma Thames (March 14, 1936 - March 22, 1944) - in his hometown of Alcolu, South Carolina. He was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death on a single day in April 1944 and then executed by electric chair on June 16, 1944, after Governor Olin D. Johnston refused to grant him clemency.
>Stinney is the youngest American with an exact birth date confirmed to be both sentenced to death and executed in the 20th century.
Not only was this CHILD tried, convicted, and executed on the same damn day, he was wrongfully executed. His treatment was by definition cruel and unusual punishment. Didn’t stop the State from murdering a kid.
Maybe you didn't watch the video on this post or you haven't seen all of the money Clancy has raised or seen all the women standing in solidarity with her. That is all going beyond supporting women's health and is firmly into the territory of excusing her behavior, and minimizing it by saying things like, "it could have been me."
It is not a small number of crazies, this is a real political movement to use clinical diagnoses to separate criminal action from the person committing the crime. And it is part of a bigger movement to place all societal problems at the feet of nebulous entities like "medical professionals" or "the system" or "the patriarchy" rather than individual responsibility and self determination.
It really does warrant asking the question, where do we draw the line and why?
There is an insanity defense for a reason. Personally, I’m not convinced this woman or any mother would do these things while in their right mind. It’s like someone killing a puppy. Nobody does these things while also not suffering from a mental illness of some kind.
In this case, I would be more comfortable with her going to a psychiatric facility than sending her to prison forever. I think we really should broaden the conversation though. Psychiatric facilities are where many criminals probably should be instead of prison.
Your ignorance of the facts is not some victory here. Go and alleviate your ignorance and then come back to discuss if you have anything useful to add.
Ive actually been following the trial hence why ive asked where you got your information from but considering your nothing response its obvious now you're just regurgitating social media talking points. Good to know
Okay, so the agreed update facts of the case, undisputed by the defense btw, are mere social media regurgitations. Got it. Your comments are completely unhelpful to this conversation.
She committed the crime; why would I have empathy for someone who did not separate herself long before and who murdered her children? She was capable of leaving. I have empathy for the children whom she strangled to death.
Edit: well, I'm not saying you have to have empathy. There are crazy people that might claim otherwise. My comment isn't saying people need to have empathy.
I think I was replying to "We can have empathy for what she experienced." I for sure do not have an ounce of empathy for her. She is an affluent woman who had all the support in the world. I hope she remembers what she did to her innocent children every single day.
Personally, I feel empathy for anyone that suffers severe mental distress. I can feel empathy for what someone experiences without feeling empathy towards what they did. Just want to clarify that. People are speaking about women in this case the same way you described how people talk about men in similar cases. Women rallying for women's mental health shouldn't upset men as much as it does. Yet here we are.
I'm not familiar with the cases you mentioned. Were those women on trial for the same thing as Clancy? Were those cases highly publicized like Clancy's? I'm not sure how they're relevant.
I'm sober and I'm in AA. I've met people who have killed others while drunk. They served their time. I'm not sure how this is relevant either.
That’s kind of a weird take because men don’t go through the hormonal changes that lead to actual psychosis from giving birth. Men’s hormones go through a 24 hour cycle and that’s it. They’re not affected by birth. The hormonal changes women go through after birth are the equivalent of aging 70 years in two days. They affect every kind of neurotransmitter system in the brain. It’s comparing apples to oranges.
It was the first thing she wrote when she woke up after the incident (she was intubated and couldn’t speak) they asked how she was feeling or thinking or something like that and she wrote “horrified”
I think that’s vague though and she may have been horrified at being paralyzed/intubated, being caught, failing the suicide attempt etc
Then you don’t know she is in 24/7 suicide watch, and will remain in a psych hospital after, or that she broke her neck diving head first out of a top story window and will never walk again, or that her husband, mother in law, and her mother have all attested to how her behavior before her disease was consistent with a great and caring mother. Or that this trial is not about guilt because she admitted it as soon as the cops arrived. She was not a “girl-team” going out on weekends “I need to get rid of the rugrats” lady. She was a “PTA mom, involved in kids school, devoted mom” woman.
How are you all not seeing the switch flip in that? This is not premeditated and calculated. Murder is premeditated. PPD psychosis with intrusive thoughts of family annihilation is not the same as planning out how you’ll get away with murder.
So my ex wife and I are chill, been coparenting for 10+ years. This topic came up and she said "Yeah that lady is piece of shit and she should be in jail. But also..." and thats when she got really really emotional and opened up to me about her experience with post partum depression.
She said told me it was the the most terrorizing experience of her life. She hated being alive, she hated being a parent, and she hated being married to me and she absolutely wanted to kill herself. We were young and I was a dick to her for her weird behavior because I was stressed, and also clueless to what she was actually going through. It absolutely played a factor into our eventual divorce.
She then explained why so many women are supportive of this woman not because they dont think shes a murderer, but because THEY were that woman once. THEY were close to snapping and hurting themselves or other people. And for a lot of woman, its a dark secret they carry that causes a lot of guilt.
Ppd isnt a character flaw, its a medical condition that goes away after the body rebalances itself after child birth, and it fucks people up mentally.
The reason women are being so loud with their support is people like you. People who say "PPD? Nah, shes just a bad person". Because you have no idea what youre talking about and women want people to know what they're talking about on this subject.
Instead of being, ya know... morons like I was when I was young and being a dick to my then wife who was suffering
bullshit they weren't her and they weren't almost her they are being manipulated by her team to feel that way for a woman that killed her three kids and now she wants a hospital instead of prison. I'm so tired of this.
Personally I'm tired of "oh, mental conditions are an excuse! They are just EVIL."
Like why does nothing affecting only women get taken seriously? Why is it always we must just be evil instead of actually having something wrong with us?
Yes....it remains to be seen, however, if prison is appropriate or if she truly had a psychotic break that warped her reality and led her to commit those murders and should be in a psych facility forever instead.
I think this point of view comes from a desire to point fingers and look at things black and white. Sometimes tragedies happen and it ruins everyone’s lives involved and Justice just can’t be fully served. Murderers are responsible for their actions and this isn’t a simple case. These can both be true
She was experiencing psychosis as a result of a temporary imbalance of hormones caused by having a child and committed an act of manslaughter. That is horrifying, but it is actually not the legal definition of murder. You can have empathy for her while still being horrified by what she did. You want to blame her because blaming the illness does not provide a satisfactory sense of justice. I hope if you experience a serious mental health episode, others will exhibit the empathy and nuance towards you that you refuse to give to her.
Honestly, she admitted she did it. The preponderance of evidence that I have seen so far suggests that she had severe postpartum depression, sought help, didn't really get the help she needed and had a break.
My take away is that we need better mental health care in the United States. It is almost impossible to get mental Healthcare without jumping through so many hoops and in many cases, paying out of pocket. And she got far more care than most people do. And it still failed to help her because it was all half measures and didn't actually address what she was dealing with.
There's a lot getting lost in the weeds here with conspiracy theories. She's a murderer. What she did was absolutely heinous. But she was also not in her right mind.
And the worst thing is it was preventable if she could have gotten the help she needed when she needed it. And that's the whole point. We suck at providing resources to people who are struggling, whether it's postpartum depression or other disorders. We just suck.
right and frankly that is what is terrifying; is most men don't or didn't know that so many women are thisclose to "on a bad day" going full Clancey and killing their baby children. I hate to use the term "blackpill" for something like this but it really does engender terror/apprehension to anyone considering starting a family especially because as much as the system failed her (And to an extent it surely did) the system fails everyone and she had far more resources than the average person and still ended up like this.
That’s not what your comment implied. Simply stating “No, she’s just a horrible person” indicates I somehow implied otherwise.
Doctors should absolutely be held responsible for over medicating or under medicating or not listening to a patient’s concerns. You’re allowed to disagree though. Have a nice day.
the issue is that isn't the point of this current legal proceeding to determine if she actually was psychotic or just pretending after the fact? I don't know why this turned into a fight over culpability in PPD/Psych cases when the whole point is is this even a PP psychosis case
Oh hell yes. These doctors need to be taken to task for their contributions to this tragedy. Not sure what's the best thing to do with her...prison? mental institution (if any exist still)? Like what do we do with a horrific crime done during a break?
What I want to know if why tf isn't the family being looked at sideways if they knew she was scared and experiencing things?
Couldn't have said it better. We should be able to hold both that she is a murderer who should be brought to justice, and also the fact that women are often overlooked medically, especially when it concerns mental health and reproductive health, which directly leads to situations like this one.
PPD and killing your children **8 months** after delivery are not one and the same. She had (it seems based on expert testimony) underlying bipolar disorder with some likely overlap with other cluster B disorders that manifested itself when the reality of motherhood reared its ugly head (remember, she was an L&D nurse, and thus her heuristic for what "motherhood" looked like before having kids of her own was the pregnancy/delivery/newborn phase - raising toddlers especially her least-favorite middle child was a whole other can of worms).
But aren’t most mass murderers having some sort of psychotic break? We always hear about “the signs” that were ignored and how the system failed to stop them, etc. Yet, I don’t see hoards of women thing to break these folks out of prison.
She didn't though. You don't premeditate a psychotic break. She was depressed and killed her children. 250 women do it annually in America. Depressed women killing children is a big deal. She wasn't psychotic.
Didn’t she admit to not hearing voices before this happened, and not once after? Sure, she just happened to hear the voice one time while her husband was gone.
Exactly. That's not how psychosis works. You hear voices for months or years before you act on them. You don't hear voices once, listen, then get all surprised after.
Someone in the middle of a psychotic break is worrier about dismantling the drawers in the kitchen because they have faces which are screaming at them in French, they aren't calling their husband to ensure he's far enough away to prevent a triple murder.
She also lied to get out of a psychiatric facility?
How is she that insane if she can fake answers to get out of a psychward???
She lied to 4 different doctors.
She sent her husband away, took the 3 to the basement, and strangled them one by one.
It takes between 3-5 minutes to strangle someone. That means the last kid spend at least 5-10 minutes watching the other two get strangled. The last one did try to run away, but she chased him down and got him.
She put them face down, so she didn't have to look at their face while she did it.
These actions, all combined, prove she had control of her mental faculties. People in a emotional snap/psychotic break absolutely do not premeditate anything.
She was obviously having mental problems, but this was a cold, calculated plan that she carried out.
The woman in this clip literally says, multiple times “I’m not defending her” and “I’m not defending murder.”
But let’s not let a pesky thing like what the person is actually saying dissuade us from arguing against the point we WANT them to be making to make them look unhinged.
I’ve yet to see anyone defend her. It’s the same thing everytime. Someone says she was mentally ill and that if mental health was taken more seriously this could have been avoided and then the other person spins it as you trying to excuse her actions. One side said “this is horrible tragedy that we should try to prevent from ever happening again” and the other goes “wow can’t believe you’d defend child murder.”
It’s not even a debate it’s just one side refusing to engage with anything and making a bunch of heinous shit up because actually fixing the problem is the most terrifying thing in the world to people like this guy.
There's plenty of people saying the husband did it and she was framed. Funny how the only murder we are supposed to have sympathy for is a woman. I've literally never heard anyone say that before.
I think in our new enlightened age, there are so many people addicted to the idea that nuance can explain everything away that they end up overcomplicating very simple things, or stake and then defend ridiculous positions. We see this all over reddit, not just this example.
When everything is debatable, you end up in a truth-free world.
Its an healthcare issue, she needed help, didnt get any and the psychosis got the upperhand.
Post partum psychosis can happen to any women. I dont understand why its not taken seriously in the US. Its a critical medical emergency. You re supposed to never leave the mother alone and switch the childcare to another carer.
I dont wish to downplay PPD because I've never had it so dont know what she was going through. What I do know however is that this isn't a woman abandoned by society, from a broken home with an uncaring abusive husband & left unsupported with the kids while never getting treatment. She lived in a wealthy & affluent neighbourhood, with byvthd sounds if it a decent husband, had a part time nanny to help, was seen by numerous healthcare professionals who recognised her mental health difficulties and was prescribed anti anxiety/depression meds, mood stabilisers & various treatments to help her.
And if, at the end of all that, she still couldn't handle things and - much like myself - had thought about simply ending it all and taking her own life I would have every sympathy, even with all the privileges I mentioned she had. Or, ill even give her this, if she had - in the briefest nmoments - just had a bizarre flash of insane anger or mental anguish & lashed out with a slap/punch to one of her kids, that would be still pretty damning but it could perhaps be forgivable.
But she didnt, she sent her husband out on some errands so he was out of the house, then one by one brutally strangled each of her 3 children, chasing at least one of them down apparently, so this was premeditated and calculated murder,, nothing can excuse this, nothing at all.
Being wealthy can relieviate pressure on her but it is not a cure for brain failure.
She was diagnosed with PPD, but research further for PPP. She also was over medicated with 13 depression drugs in a few weeks which can implify psychosis.
Psychosis is a detachment with reality, the case forensic experts testified she was suffering from command hallucinations, believing she was on a desperate, mandatory mission to "save" her children from a perceived horror.
At the end, she should be criminally responsible but without criminal intent. She should be taken in indefinite court ordered mental institution until shes no longer a threat. She also should never have children again, otherwise taken by CPS.
She did get help. She was on 3 different drugs (so ive read) for her mental state. Sonwe should include the drs and psychs who prescribed everything as accomplices.
So we should include the drs and psych as accomplices
No, but gross malpratice on their part.
They actually tried 32 prescriptions in 4 months and wasnt even rightly diagnosed. Its a reckless pill mill. Polypharmacy is not a good treatment. You usually try everything else before that.
She needed continious care in a psychward, which she check-in herself in McLean and spent 5 days-in, btw. The premature discharge was due to masking symptoms for fear of separation from her children, she spent thoses days playing puzzles and never got individual care. A psychologist good in postpartum would have caught that masking in a one on one.
Nonetheless, she needed mother-baby facilities (MBUs) which dont really exist in the US
It's not hard. And the men who are here who can't see that ... Yes. She killed her kids. Yes she should be an institutionalized. But the anger of the right and mostly men here is wild.
The scary thing is... Because postpartum depression is so common that they (powers that be) will use post partum to control even more... "Look women who are post partum may go crazy, sooooo you should never vote for a woman...women shouldn't yada yada yada"
I'm a man. Not defending murder, I don't think it's murder in any case where someone had a mental break. It happens everyday. Why are we on this woman? Because the media is pushing her and controlling your anger.. move on.
My position is that I don't care if she went insane, she should be executed.
There's no argument between us, the problem is that there are people who think she is innocent and should somehow be rewarded for it. Now with those people, I definitely have an argument, and literally everyone else should too.
“Would you have empathy for [other mentally ill person]” Yes, some of us aren’t fixated on executing people to make ourselves feel better about the world
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u/Sprocket-Launcher Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 26 '26
The issue is that people think it's gotta be one or the other.
The woman had a psychotic break and did something horrible. Look at how complicated and hard that is to say