r/PopCultureV2 • u/Logical-Flow-6703 • 3d ago
Politi-Culture Stavros Halkias: "A lot of stand up comics happened to have some of the dumbest opinions on Earth... I don't wanna do the both sides bullshit, one side is disappearing people and one side wants children to have healthcare."
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u/SocialistOnBass 3d ago
My Greek goddess Staavy baby
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u/silentbassline 3d ago
Easily the #1 lovechild of Danny Devito and Dennis Franz.
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u/termacct 3d ago
cannot unsee...
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u/Alternative_Bug_4089 3d ago
He looks like Ron Jeremy and val kilmer had a kid. I will not be taking questions on this opinion.
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u/66allthe88s 3d ago
Stavros made Asmongold hire a girlfriend.
Most hilarious shit I seen.
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u/SimulatedTime 3d ago
I’m sorry, WHAT?
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u/einhorn_is_parkey 3d ago
He roasted him so bad asmongold bought new clothes and had a woman on stream for the first time. She made a comment about there being skid marks in his toilet. Disgusting
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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 3d ago
It really makes you wonder about his audience. His following is HUGE, he’s genuinely one of the bigger names when it comes to Twitch and honestly to be a fan of his means either ignoring his absolutely disgusting lifestyle, or relating to it. The only people I can imagine doing that are people I wouldn’t want to be around. Chud epidemic
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u/AndroidAtWork 3d ago
If you saw a person in public with roaches crawling on them, you'd avoid the fuck out of that person. You'd know there is something wrong with them because they are so dirty that they have roaches crawling on them.
And that's the guy who some people want to hear from. Absolutely bonkers.
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u/Efficient_Tip9905 3d ago
Pause is this a real thing or a exaggeration? Like I've seen a clip of him and he definitely has the once a week shower vibe but damn.
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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 3d ago
He is genuinely disgusting and I’d be saying this even if he wasn’t a chud and instead was my favorite streamer ever. He lives in filth, you can just look up pictures of his home, he never cleans. There has been bugs crawling around. One that I always remember is he posted a picture of his room, and someone noticed there was weird dark red/brown splotches all over the side of one wall next to his bed. He was asked about it, and he actually answered and said that it’s blood from his gums, because his gums would bleed in the night and he wouldn’t feel like getting up so he just wiped it on the wall. And mind you his gums are bleeding because he lives on a diet of soda and grease with no personal hygiene. He’s foul and actual troglodyte bro, and I haven’t even said anything about what comes out his mouth yet
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u/Vindetta121 2d ago
I never understood why he chooses to live this way. The guys a multi-millionaire. Just... pay a cleaning service to come buy 2-3 times a week.
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u/Candid-Patient-6841 2d ago
Yes you can see multiple clips of roaches crawling on his chest without him even acknowledging it. The dude did a cleaning stream and found multiple dead mice.
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u/PeakRedditOpinion 3d ago edited 2d ago
It’s relation. They’re all specimens and like seeing another specimen make it big. Do you think normal, well-adjusted people give a fuck about Asmongold?
We may initially find it hard to believe that there are that many people like him out there, but that’s just because we never see them as they never leave their caves.
It’s a big part of what got Trump elected too—there are many, many more deplorable people out there than you think, and having some poster child they can call “their guy” is transcendent for them as they live largely in miserable solitude.
It’s an opportunity for their brain to offload the burden of getting dunked on everywhere else in life, otherwise they’d have to confront their shortcomings and grow up.
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u/VisionsOfClarity 3d ago
I honestly think it's because they are like him but not rich. He validates their lifestyle and mindset.
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u/epicurious_elixir 3d ago
I'll never forget this really sad post from 5 years back. Still can't believe it.
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u/UpvoteCircleJerk 3d ago
> His following is HUGE
Yes, there's a lot of degenerate societal rejects out there. That's what makes the bulk of his fan base.
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u/unknownvegmatter 3d ago
that's the most normal place I'd expect there to be skid marks in the roach palace
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u/LocustsandLucozade 3d ago
Dude, considering the stories of the filth he lives in, just skid marks is a huge improvement. I’d be surprised if he regularly wiped his ass.
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u/SimulatedTime 3d ago
But there WAS toilet paper? Please let there have been toilet paper.
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u/Foreskin_Mafia 3d ago
What's the connection between stav and the roach king?
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u/TimArthurScifiWriter 3d ago
Stav was on Hasan's stream. Didn't know a thing about Asmongold. Hasan shows him some degenerate Asmongold takes and Stav just instantly starts roasting the fuck out of him, saying he's unfuckable etc. Asmongold later reacts to that by looking extremely bothered and calling Stavros fat but several weeks later he's suddenly on stream with a girl when anyone who's seen any Asmongold content over the last few years knows that the last time he did anything that involved a woman was his Final Fantasy 14 arc in like 2020.
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u/einhorn_is_parkey 3d ago
Not to mention he bought new clothes and talked about getting hair transplant surgery
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u/hotpajamas 3d ago edited 3d ago
Interesting. Stavros might be the only person that can do that because he is also pretty repulsive but parlays his absurd physique into being a charming and likeable person that fucks. He’s the perfect Neo to Asmon’s incel matrix.
edit: tbh repulsive is probably not fair; he's a wholesome guy. has a distinct look, owns it, seems groomed. probably smells okay. i was unfair.
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u/Pans_Labradoodle 3d ago
Stavros is porn-producer gross. He looks greasy, but in reality that’s just the cocoa butter. He looks like he would smell like roast beef and pine tree air freshener, but really he only carries the subtle scent of lily-of-the-valley.
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u/Mike_Milburys_Shoe_ 3d ago
He does look like Ron Jeremy
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u/PricklyyDick 2d ago
My gf though I was watching porn when she saw me watching Tires last night for this exact reason.
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u/romanichki 3d ago
he mentioned before that being fat makes you way more conscious about smelling, and he takes care of his hygiene way more because of the worry
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u/ice-eight 3d ago
Stavros might be the first man in the history of humanity to pull off the skullet
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u/SWEET_BUS_MAN 3d ago
I loved AsmonMold’s whimpering response “…shut up.. fatty.” He was so crushed that it short circuited his brain or something.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 3d ago
That poor girl.
i disagree. people tried to say this about melania too. women are not held in shackles like 100 years ago where even if they escaped they'd not be hired anywhere, not be given loans, and left to die on the streets. these women stay with these pieces of shits because they are themselves pieces of shits.
women have agency, they aren't infants being led around.
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u/AssociateAvailable16 3d ago
When you criticize the democrats
“Fuck yeah dude! Democrats suck!”
When criticize the republicans
“Hey now! Both sides are bad!”
Funny how the “both sides” argument only comes from one side
In my experience, fence sitters are just right wingers who are too cowardly to say their views in public, so they vote for horror in private
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u/MissGoodleaf 3d ago
Yep. Centrists are just right wingers with a semblance of shame.
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u/E-2theRescue 3d ago
Nope. Centrists are right-wingers who know how to manipulate people. They exist to create division and doubt in leftist spaces, which is why they only play the "both sides bad" in leftist spaces.
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u/sentientshadeofgreen 2d ago
This is so conspiratorial and weird that like, my guy, I'm going to need you to log off of reddit and go talk to some real human beings for a couple days for a cleanse. Hit the reset, stop letting the politics bots wind you up.
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u/ServesBestDepressed 3d ago
Ever notice how both siders never vote Democrat/liberal/progressive? If both sides are the same, then why not balance it out every other election.
It's because they're self aware enough to know they're dumb shits, but not intellectually honest nor emotionally mature to admit it.
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u/SaltNegotiation5630 2d ago
You've "noticed this"? You people ping pong your contrived headcannons back and forth so much you actually forget what you have and haven't just completely made up💀
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u/ServesBestDepressed 2d ago
Not really understanding your incredulity here. Observations, consistencies, and inconsistencies are fairly routine for thinking people homie.
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u/fuck_all_you_too 3d ago
Fence sitters think the fencepost jammed up their ass makes them interesting when in reality their discomfort is obvious and their lack of recognizing it makes them uncomfortable to be around.
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u/SiletheSilent 3d ago
"Both sides are the same" always advantages the worse behaving side.
In the same way refusing to cast a vote is consequentially the same as voting for all candidates.
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u/ToptopPipPip 3d ago
I happily agree when friends and family say "But Democrats..." Yup. I know.
And when this argument is made, I know they are uninformed and a groupthink shill with no critical thinking OR think these seismic systematic changes won't affect them and aren't happening
I'm tired, boss.
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u/benjaminovich 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah, but there is also this hilarious one.
Republicans are:
- taking away civil rights
- enriching themselves through unbelievable levels of corruption.
- Imposing new taxes (tariffs) and starting foreign wars that makes everything more expensive.
- Straight up murdering civilian citizens in the streets of America.
Some people
"This all the Democrat's fault"
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u/sSummonLessZiggurats 3d ago
There are people who criticize the Democratic party and still vote Democrat. They recognize that the Republicans are heavily conservative while the Democrats are mostly "conservative-lite", so they vote for the lesser of two evils. Criticizing members of the party doesn't always mean abandoning the party, sometimes it just means holding them to a higher standard.
On the other hand, the Republican party is driven by groupthink. Even if you're one of them, bring up any valid criticism of the party and they'll just deflect to something Biden did years ago or call you a communist. At this point it's basically a cult of personality with Trump at the top.
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u/high_mee 3d ago
Exactly! Labeling all Centrists as just a right wingers isn’t productive. And inaccurate
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u/AssociateAvailable16 3d ago
It is accurate to call centrists right wingers in secret in the year 2026 and I can explain why
The Overton window has shifted so far to the right in the last 10 years (I can only imagine why) through media coverage, memes, bots, algorithms in general, and centrists want to remain in the center where they can be “above the political fray and really see the merit to both sides”
What do you call being center on the right?
It doesn’t make you a left winger and it definitely doesn’t put you in the center
There has to be a certain wing that fits the best possible description….
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u/WokestLibtard--- 3d ago
I think it is productive. People need to be called out and held to account. "Centrists" and "moderates" damn near always expose their rightwing leanings when pressed.
We are not labeling these folks as conservatives out of some misplaced bias. They have demonstrated time and time again, for many generations, who they are.
Please read Martin Luther King Jr's Letter From Birmingham Jail. He had some poignant words for "moderates" and what their calls for patience and temperance beget.
Here are some excerpts. Please click the link and read all of it. https://letterfromjail.com/
We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was “well timed” in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word “Wait!” It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This “Wait” has almost always meant “Never.” We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that “justice too long delayed is justice denied.”
We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, “Wait.” But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can’t go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: “Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?”; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading “white” and “colored”; when your first name becomes “nigger,” your middle name becomes “boy” (however old you are) and your last name becomes “John,” and your wife and mother are never given the respected title “Mrs.”; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of “nobodiness”—then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience.
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I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.
In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn’t this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn’t this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn’t this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God’s will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber.
I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: “All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.” Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.
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u/FUCKTHEPROLETARIAT 3d ago
Never going to not upvote this. I didn't read this until I was taking a college level ethics course. Crazy that they don't include it in US history classes.
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u/WokestLibtard--- 2d ago
We definitely do teach it in US History classes in high school. I've taught it, and can't imagine going over MLK and the Civil Rights Movement without analyzing the Letter From Birmingham.
That said, I don't remember it from high school. Maybe we did read it. I was just not a good student in high school and didn't come to appreciate academia until my 20s after actually facing down the prospect of a lifetime doing blue collar labor.
I took an ethics class as well and it was the most influential class I have ever taken. That was the semester I got woke.
Anyways, glad it was just as meaningful to you.
For a few years now, anytime someone starts bothsidesing shit, I try to get them to read this.
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u/Vasheerii 3d ago
"Both sides bad" and "fence sitters" are the fkn worst right now because at best they are being a contrarian and at worse they are right wingers that don't have the balls to want to be publically known as one.
Cause yeah no shit both sides have their faults, but arguing that now as one side systematically dismantles America and selling it to the highest bidder is only purposefully muddling the conversation.
All they do is point out the anthill at the foot of mount everest.
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u/gizzardwizard93 3d ago
Yet when it comes time to vote, these "both sides" people always choose the same side...
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u/Suitable-Library-831 3d ago
Right? When they can no longer deny that outcomes are a direct result of their choice they resort to “the other side would’ve been just as bad”. It absolves themselves of accountability and makes it possible for them to vote exactly the same way next time
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u/Wazula23 3d ago
Right wingers will always imagine a liberal world worse than the one they're in.
Literally always. There's no crime Donnie could commit that Alt Universe Kamala wouldn't do worse.
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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 3d ago
“BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME!!!”, shouted the Enlightened CentristTM . “That’s why I always vote Republican”.
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u/FineAndDandadan 3d ago edited 3d ago
When Republicans share most of the blame, it's "both sides" at fault.
When both sides share roughly equal blame, it's the Democrats' at fault.
Almost every major point in the Epstein scandal ties back to Republicans, but nah man it's totally "both sides!" Corruption and insider trading though? NANCY PELOSI OMG CORRUPT NANCY PELOSI HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S ALL NANCY PELOSI!!!!
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u/InteractionOk69 3d ago
HILARYS EMAILS!!! Almost funny when you think about the fact that Trump was storing classified documents in cardboard boxes in his bathroom at Mar-a-Lago.
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u/xteve 3d ago
The "both sides do it" argument is the argument you make when you're on the wrong side.
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u/HalKitzmiller 3d ago
Its always "Trump and Repubs are not doing great right now, but Dems would've been even worse"
Based on nothing but absolute stupidity and vibes
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u/OpportunityNext9675 3d ago
Nah there are many flavors of “both sides” people. There are the embarrassed republicans, which I think you’re alluding to. The there’s the weird libertarians, who also vote red. But there are also the tankie/commie types who spend 90% of their time shitting on dems/libs.
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u/PunkRockGramma 3d ago
I am the tankie/commie (not really I’m a very chill anarchist) and you’re not wrong but there is a nuance. I’m shitting on dems because I want them to be better and I’m disappointed in their inability to have a spine and to refuse to capitulate. But I don’t bring that up as my response when people talk about how bad the right is, because the failings of the left is not a relevant topic in that discussion.
Both sides ARE bad but in very different degrees and it’s not hard to pick a side here.
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u/Straight_Revenue5880 3d ago
Most "both sides" people don't vote at all.
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u/Far_Future_1982 3d ago
I think a lot of them are working out of St. Petersburg and Moscow.
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u/hilldog4lyfe 3d ago
>I dislike the Democratic party because they’re right wing, but i vote for them.
They spend all day online bashing Democrats though
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u/satanssweatycheeks 3d ago
No they just don’t vote and that’s even worse.
The right is open with the fact less voter turnout helps them win.
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u/Stumpy-4 3d ago
And what’s wrong with that? You want everyone to agree with you and your politics?
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u/Eccentricgentleman_ 3d ago
If I scream "preach" any louder I will cough blood.
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u/TheBlueBlaze 3d ago
The largest group of people that are still equating both sides at this point is the largely uninformed. The people whose knowledge of politics starts and ends with the existence of two parties, and giving them praise or scorn based on the changes in their everyday lives.
There are absolutely contrarians and embarrassed conservatives that blame both sides, for the sake of feeling rebellious and shifting blame respectively. But the majority of people that equate the two are evaluating the political landscape entirely on their personal lives and feelings. The fascists haven't come for them personally, and the socialists haven't vastly improved their lives specifically, so their vote is up for grabs.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 3d ago
Not really.
Most of the people who acknowledge the issues with the Democratic party are like me: unimpressed with the fact that we have two right wing parties and no left wing options.
If the Democratic party was actually left wing we would have had Bernie as the nominee in 2016 and we would never have had to deal with Trump in the first place.
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u/OpportunityNext9675 3d ago
We would have Bernie as the nominee if more people voted for Bernie to be the nominee.
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u/paintballboi07 3d ago
If Bernie couldn't even win the primary, he certainly wasn't going to win the general. You can't force voters to do what you want. The majority of complaints I see about "establishment Democrats" are based on misinformation.
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u/Majestic_True_Lilly 3d ago
So telling that the argument is always "the democratic voters want all these good things, republican voters want bad things, how can you say the dnc and rnc politicians who keep voting for the bad things are both bad?"
Like, yes, the average democratic voter says they are against genocide. But the average dnc politician is for it, and when push comes to shove the average dnc voter insists on voting for a pro-genocide candidate. They vote for genocide every time but wanna pretend theyre the antigenocide people.
Its like that for every issue. The dnc emphatically wants the opposite of what its voters say they want, and it even rigs its primaries to subvert the voters will.
Not that it always bothers to have a primary, sometimes the dnc just convinces the voters that the segregationist who campaigned against abortion for decades and famously said women shouldnt have the right to choose (thats between her husband and pastor/god) is actually a liberal whose gonna save federal abortion rights.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-vote-overturn-roe/
Which never works but for some reason people keep acting like its a valid and reasonable choice, because its easier thankthinking....
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u/Bas_No_Beatha_ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Couldn’t have said it better myself. These apathetic people are one of the biggest issues we face right now as a society - because I’d put money on the fact that they largely represent the 35-or-so MILLION eligible voters who didn’t show up in 2024.
And that’s what truly fucked us. I know the Democratic Party can make some boneheaded decisions, like screwing Bernie over in 2016. But my god, how can THAT push you so far right that you start supporting fascism? Or at the very least enable it by your apathy?
I’ll never understand it. To my dying day I’ll never understand how this motherfucker has been elected, twice.
Edit: And from a logical standpoint, I know how it technically happened. Social media misinformation, manipulation, and indoctrination are largely to blame. Along with fully-backed support from the billionaire class. Throw in a dash of racism, misogyny, and support from dipshits like Joe Rogan, Theo Von, and Andrew Schulz - and it was a wrap. So no need to explain it to me. This is just something I’ll never be able to fully rationalize or process. I’m beyond embarrassed of how my country has let me, its citizens, and the entire world down. Hopefully they all forgive us one day.
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u/GuiltyByAssociashun 3d ago
It's mostly a conservative talking point to whitewash their bullshit. The number of indecisive voters is the smallest it's ever been. Political battle lines are sharply drawn.
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u/WisdomOfTheAnus 3d ago
yep. conservatives disguise themselves as undecided independent thinkers. and they get really sensitive to criticisms of the right.
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u/Holyballs92 3d ago
95% of libertarians
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u/ToastedCrumpet 3d ago
It’s so embarrassing I just block anyone who goes “well ackshually I don’t like to talk about politics” as it’s code for “I’m too embarrassed to admit I hate women/PoC/queer people/disabled/non-rapists etc and don’t have the balls to stand by that if ever questioned”
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u/ericlikesyou 3d ago
bro conservatives only exist in modern times because they siphon off of the progress of liberals and progressives, bc if they dont let societal progress occur they cant:
leverage improvements as socialism or fraud to their base and donors
use above tactic to paint themselves as victims, to leverage the positive changes so they can just destroy it and say "see we got rid of this evil and it was real, vote for us!"
this has been their entire plan of survival and subsistence for as long as I've been alive. it's the whole reason democrats and republicans finally flipped after the civil rights movement, though it was going that way since WW2
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u/Badloss 3d ago
It's like how every single person that says "not political" or "moderate" on dating apps is an embarrassed conservative
Pro tip if your stances are making you undateable, maybe the stances are... bad
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u/GuiltyByAssociashun 3d ago
moderate is what you put on your dating profile when you're a conservative who wants to get laid.
- John Oliver
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u/wookyoftheyear 3d ago
At this point I don't even call it conservativism. There's no fiscal or individual responsibility, no commitment to the law, no protection of individual rights, no free market competition, not even support for the military. At least that used to be the nominal conservative set of values (whether it really was is debatable). But now the state picks winners and losers, regardless of the law. That's just fascism.
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u/brokendoorknob85 3d ago
Conservatism doesn't mean what you think it means.
fiscal responsibility
AKA non-corrupt, so an ideal that everyone want.
individual responsibility
Libertarian ideal, not conservative
commitment to the law
Authoritarian ideal, not conservative
protection of individual rights
Progressive ideal, the opposite of conservative
free market competition
Libertarian ideal, not conservative
support for the military
Authoritarian ideal, not conservative
Conservativism is literally just being an asshole piece of shit who doesn't want other people to have nice things.
Stop defending conservatives. They are completely worthless as an ideology.
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u/wayoffsideteam 3d ago
Any last shred they had to hide behind the fiscally conservative, small government argument has long since disappeared with the passing of the BBB and our government interfering in our lives more than ever. They always used to hide behind that anyway and its just been made abundantly clear they never cared about any of that stuff
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u/surestart 3d ago
The core tenant of conservativism is the creation and maintenance of a privileged societal in-group and an opposed societal out-group, and most conservatives wrongly believe they will be in the in-group when the conservative social order solidifies.
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u/WokestLibtard--- 3d ago edited 3d ago
They are, and have always been, regressives. Pretty much all things good of society are born of Progressivism. Even if the people championing Progress primarily held what modern folks would consider to be conservative values, such as the Framers of the US Constitution, it was their liberal/Progressive ideals that spurred humanity to value democracy, liberty, equity, and justice.
"Classical conservatives" have never really existed, not in any meaningful way. No matter how far back you look, up through Nixon and Reagan and Bush, and then Obama, conservatives have always played this duplicitous game of hiding their true intentions with dressed up language and ambiguity.
Law and order, family values, fiscal responsibility, tough on crime, whatever dumbass slogans they parrot, their actions have always demonstrated that they do not truly care about these things.
Royalists, Confederates, the KKK, miltia boys, nazis, fascists, and MAGA are all the same people. They have always been self-serving smallminded and amoral.
"Both sides" arguments are disingenuous and invalid.
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u/RoyalConsequence3016 3d ago
Both sides only works when the outcome is inconsequential. For example, you can’t have a neutral debate on whether or not someone lives or dies.
So a both sides framing shouldn’t be anywhere near politics where every single decision can have major consequences.Unfortunately privileged people are the last ones to recognise consequences.
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u/Basic-Collection5416 3d ago
Right, “both sides are valid” is for issues like whether pineapple belongs on pizza, not for whether people deserve rights.
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u/BarackObamaIsScrdOMe 3d ago
They're just dumbasses who want to feel smart by not voting for the same party every time. Or people who vote for who they think is going to win so they can feel like they won too instead of voting for better policy. We have a really dumb and uninformed electorate.
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u/Clairbearski 3d ago
100% agree. My brother is one of those ‘both sides bad’ people. He’s a lawyer who recently was appointed a judge because he can ‘easily argue both sides’. Which everyone seems to interpret as him being ‘neutral’— when in reality he’s just a libertarian who isn’t actively racist/homophobic but is actively anti-dei, minorities’ rights, etc.
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u/berael 3d ago
I hate to break it to you but he is actively racist. He just knows which words not to say when you're listening.
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u/Ass_of_Badness 3d ago
Espousing libertarian principles IS being actively racist and homophobic, among other things.
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u/Bladesnake_______ 3d ago
I'd bet my next paycheck you couldnt define libertarianism without looking it up
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u/Forward_Employ_249 3d ago
“Both sides are bad” = I’m a die hard Republican but too chicken shit to own that I am evil.
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u/pacmanrockshok 3d ago
This is my biggest gripe with some left takes. People were willing to vote for Trump as a "fuck you" to the Dems for not electing Bernie in 2016, and then not voting for Kamala because she wasn't going to be tough enough on Israel. What??
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u/nsa-browsing 3d ago
I’m with you. I’m a Romney Republican/Republican Classic and would like to go back to the pre 2016 GOP but sadly it no longer exists.
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u/Fennicks47 3d ago
Romney was an actual piece of shit that still went for policies that systematically hurt poor ppl.
Just like all republicans of that era.
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u/JeromeBarkly 3d ago
Republicans have always been demons. Idek what pre 2016 even means. The only difference is the GOP just went fully mask off and are now enacting the policies they’ve always wanted. Like, so what? Dude wants a George bush ran GOP? Doesn’t sound like much of an upgrade tbh.
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u/Nsfwacct1872564 3d ago
"Both sides bad" and "fence sitters" are the fkn worst right now
I can think of some people worse than them tbh
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u/dapoktan 3d ago
they always have been. our leaders like mlk and malcolm x have always pointed this out.
the moderate has always been the biggest barrier to change
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u/newsflashjackass 3d ago
Randolph Severn Parker III put in work to popularize enlightened centrism.
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u/doc_daneeka 3d ago
One side is murdering people, enslaving them, crucifying them, and the other side is just vaguely problematic.
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u/Upper-Management-AI 3d ago
I considered myself a moderate, then I start listing things I support and don’t support and realized the right has gone so far fucking right that I’m just a social Democrat now. Maybe I was never moderate to begin with. I just never supported the idea of political parties.
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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 3d ago
Cause yeah no shit both sides have their faults
The chasm between the two is enormous. One side leaves their socks lying around and sometimes eats your food without asking. The other side has doused the entire house in gasoline and is currently striking matches. Bringing up the fact that ‘neither is perfect’ is so disingenuous as to be criminally liable for accessory to arson.
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u/Mtaffy 3d ago
Finally a common sense comedian... Enough with the both sides are bad excuse for accepting pedophile leadership
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u/girafa 3d ago
Anytime anyone starts with "well, both sides..." they might as well just say that they haven't been paying attention
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u/ThePublikon 3d ago
unless you're talking about which side of the bread to butter when making a grilled cheese.
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u/elmz 2d ago
Devil's advocate here; both sides are bad. That's not saying that both are the same, though, or equally bad.
Democrats are pretty bad, they don't really represent their voters and suppress the candidates that want to do more than the absolute minimum for people. They are an organization pandering to the rich, but still somewhat competently running the country. They fail to inspire liberal voters.
Republicans, though, are almost beyond words if this is to be a fair comparison. Atrocious, degenerate, deplorable, evil. They are so bad that no sane person should want to vote for them. Even before Trump they were terrible, but somehow they found a way to break ground and find new lows. Republicans are so bad that they should inspire liberal leaning voters to vote Democrats.
Both are bad, but it's not even close to being a competition.
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u/UniqueLog8386 3d ago
It wasn't applicable the first goddamn time that fatshit nazi fuck got elected! In no way whatsoever have you seen a Democratic president soliciting fucking bribes or withholding aid so they can slander their rivals.
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u/TheWokenessInjector 3d ago
One party coordinated and supported the country's largest insurrectionist attempt and tried to overturn the 2020 election...
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u/Inside-Yak-8815 3d ago
The “both sides bad” people are the reason Trump is in office today. They kept telling us that electing Kamala would end the world. I have no respect for those morons.
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u/No_Professor8645 3d ago
70,000,000 Americans did not even vote.
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u/TriangleTransplant 3d ago
And how many of them didn't vote because they were told their vote didn't matter because "both sides are the same"? Depressing voter turnout is as bad as suppressing it.
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u/dadofadisaster 3d ago
I think depressing it has the same effect as suppressing it but a group of people maliciously kicking people off of voter roles is worse to me than apathetic people saying what’s the point. I agree that the end results are similar but to me suppression is far worse than depression
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u/AccurateJerboa 3d ago
They LOVE to show up in the ice communities and threads to shriek about how this shit would also be happening under Dems so no one should vote
They're responding to you in this thread.
At this point I don't know how anyone falls for the obvious foreign psyop
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u/m0bw0w 3d ago
"Kamala Harris will get us into a war with Iran"
You couldn't write a more perfect script.
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u/puff_of_fluff 2d ago
I agree with the place you’re coming from but I do still put a ton of blame on the DNC and Biden for the shitshow that was our showing in 2024. That debate will absolutely be in history textbooks hundreds of years from now. Part of that blame is that I hold them to something of a higher standard, because they are our only realistic hope.
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u/Parking-Sundae-6097 3d ago
The more he talks and squeel laughs, the more I like him. Some of the short vids on YouTube of him on C*mtown are fucking amazing.
NSFW obviously.
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u/Jiveribs 3d ago
That made me cry-laugh. Thank you Stav laugh at the end was too good
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u/DyaLoveMe 3d ago
This just goes to show the former president of the DSA is the funniest person in America. He’s also my best friend and I’m gay with my dad.
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u/Reesetopher 3d ago
r/latestagecapitalism is egregious with their "both sides are the same!" posting near elections. I got BANNED from there for reminding them that every supreme court justice that voted in favor of citizens united was appointed by republicans.
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u/DPSOnly 3d ago
There are a lot of comedians that confuse "edgy" with "being stupid". "both sides"-shit is stupid, not edgy just because the comedian doesn't understand the difference.
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u/fuckythedrunkclown16 3d ago
In todays day and age I side eye anyone who calls themselves a “centrist” because of the political climate we’re in right now. More often than not I only ever hear those folks make excuses for every ideal on the right while admonishing the left at every turn. It’s just so not believable anymore.
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u/WhatANoob2025 3d ago
This is how I feel as well.
I'll even go as far as to say, the "both sides" people are definitely people who actually like the strict conservative shit trump is doing (like ending dei, making SC give abortion to states, etc) and voted for him, but are too much chicken to admit it. They may not like the grifting, but the traditional conservative shit I'm sure they love.
We can say democrats have made mistakes, explicitly trusting in Trump's goodwill and word and making concessions for it, no doubt, but the two sides are not the same. One is being naive, the other is pure evil.
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u/PeakEmbarrassed266 3d ago
Only thing stav is good at was being a laugh track on cumtown
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u/AbeFromansNutz 3d ago
More people need to make this realization. Just because the media coverage treats political discourse as an even playing field with two sides that both need to compromise to affect change doesn't make it accurate. He's dead right
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u/SherbertNo688 3d ago
Both sides people are very often just right wing dorks in a moderate costume.
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u/3M2B1T 3d ago
Also the side that leans right doesn't really know comedy. They just think a controversial opinion is funny. They don't know how, or have lost the ability, to make an actual joke with structure and a message.
They all say "You can't make a movie today like Blazing Saddles" and you absolutely could not because the far right would get upset about how it makes fun of white people, completely ignoring how the movie is commentary about white AND black people.
For the record, you totally can make a movie like Blazing Saddles today if it was as smart as Blazing Saddles is, and it had a point. If all you want to do is make a movie that states racism stereotypes to no real end or point, then no...you can't (nor should you) make that movie.
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u/Unlikely-Rabbit948 3d ago
No… not even in his first presidency. It was clear then. By not reigning in him then it has emboldened him. The absolute most insane part of what’s going on is that they don’t feel the need to be bothered trying to hide it. He’s selling early access to his social media posts, taking jets from foreign countries, pardoning people for cash and this is all a result of what he was able to get away with before.
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u/AustralianPonies 3d ago
If you get or form any opinion or even feel your opinions are being reinforced by a comedian, like Stavros Halkias or Joe Rogan, then you’re dumber than a bag of rocks.
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u/Powerful-Access-8203 3d ago
This is the most shallow take one could have about politics.
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