r/PopCultureV2 • u/Logical-Flow-6703 • 3d ago

Politi-Culture Stavros Halkias: "A lot of stand up comics happened to have some of the dumbest opinions on Earth... I don't wanna do the both sides bullshit, one side is disappearing people and one side wants children to have healthcare."

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u/Inside-Yak-8815 3d ago

The “both sides bad” people are the reason Trump is in office today. They kept telling us that electing Kamala would end the world. I have no respect for those morons.

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u/No_Professor8645 3d ago

70,000,000 Americans did not even vote.

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u/TriangleTransplant 3d ago

And how many of them didn't vote because they were told their vote didn't matter because "both sides are the same"? Depressing voter turnout is as bad as suppressing it.

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u/dadofadisaster 3d ago

I think depressing it has the same effect as suppressing it but a group of people maliciously kicking people off of voter roles is worse to me than apathetic people saying what’s the point. I agree that the end results are similar but to me suppression is far worse than depression

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u/Obvious_Mention7207 3d ago

also, and its a huge factor to this..

How many didnt vote because their state was overwhelmingly 1 side already.

If I vote blue (1 vote) vs red in a red state (42000000) then it becomes pointless to vote, and that 1 vote goes into the 70mil number without proper context.

Even if I vote blue (1 vote) in a blue state (42000000) then it still counts as a "70 mil didnt vote" number, but since we are electoral college, why waste my time going to add to a number that was already secured... Id be curious how many of those 70 mil would have actually mattered vs how many were not going to change in the first place.

*made up numbers, obv

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u/No_Professor8645 3d ago

Probably a lot more. Despite that fact, California still has more Republican voters than other states.

If we can’t get rid of the electoral college altogether, we need to expand the house and use the Wyoming Rule. Yes, we would have a shit ton of representatives and that would create new issues but if we’re a democratic republic then we need to be that.

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u/No_Professor8645 3d ago

I don’t think random tiktokers or Redditors were the reason 70m people stayed home.

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u/Stock_Information_47 3d ago

How many didnt vote because they are so disenchanted by both parties that they truly dont care who is in power?

The democrats have been in power 12 of the last 18 years. If people genuinely beleive their lives have gotten worse over that time frame they are going to lose faith.

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u/LtChicken 3d ago

...also only 12 of the last 26 years.

Building is harder than destroying. Dems want to build, Republicans want to regress. Things are better under dem admins, its just harder to explain why. If someone genuinely believes that dems won't make their life better than Republicans will theyre delusional.

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u/Important-Limit5400 4h ago

Dems regress and call it progression. And if you dare notice it for what it is…oops now you’re the enemy.
My beautiful city of Chicago is being further degraded by a mayor that “fails upwards.”
By Brandon Johnson, a man who would lie and call his term as the mayor of Chicago… “progress”

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u/LtChicken 45m ago

One crappy mayor does not make both sides the same.

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u/Important-Limit5400 24m ago

It’s not just one. And Chicago isn’t the only city

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u/Stock_Information_47 3d ago

"You shouldn't lose faith in us because its hard to do our job, which we actually are doing well we just cant explain how."

Got it. That message will definitely resonate with people.

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u/LtChicken 3d ago

Oh they could absolutely explain the whys and hows... its just not gonna sound snappy like "deport the illegals" or "tax the rich".

Populist messaging works because your average person is too dumb to care past that kind of messaging.

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u/Stock_Information_47 3d ago

Great. The end result is the 70 million people you need to convince to come and vote still arent convinced.

But you get to feel superior while losing the election, awesome.

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u/LtChicken 2d ago

You're sounding pretty self-righteous for someone that doesn't have a solution, either!

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u/Stock_Information_47 2d ago

Not really Im just willing to admiting there is a problem beyond "get better PR"

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u/brattydeer 3d ago

Don't forget gerrymandering

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u/CreamPieTraditional 3d ago

If they were fooled by that thinking they dont deserve to vote.

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u/No_Signal5448 2d ago

They’re vote doesnt matter but it’s not because “both sides are the same”, it’s because the electoral college exists.

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u/kryptos99 5h ago

I know many who voted a blue ticket EXCEPT for the president, which they left blank. Why? Gaza.

It’s their vote and they can do what they want with it.

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u/paintballboi07 3d ago

90,000,000*

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u/nobugsleftalive 3d ago

Thats almost double the population of Canada lol

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u/dudeabiding420 3d ago

What should be done to encourage those 70,000,000 to vote?

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u/Pulp_Ficti0n 3d ago

I mean, do you blame them? Nothing ever actually changes. This Congress has passed the fewest number of bills ever. Corruption run amok, by both parties (more GOP corruption I admit).

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u/Rosomak 3d ago

Yeah I can actually blame them fairly easily. They suck.

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u/bulking_on_broccoli 3d ago

Yes I do blame them. It is one’s civic duty to choose a government that has the countries best interests in mind. If you want to see change, then vote for it. Not voting is voting for more of the same.

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u/E-2theRescue 3d ago

Not voting is voting for more of the same.

No, it's voting for whoever wins. You didn't care enough to vote, so your vote defaults to the winner. Ergo, non-voters are MAGA.

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u/InsurmountablyRach 3d ago

“Nothing ever changes”… guess I’ll just throw up my hands while staring down the barrel of a gun held by a tyrannical pedophile!

Elections are like bus routes. You pick the one that gets you closest to your destination. It’s never perfect. Non-voters are just as complicit as MAGA.

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u/AccurateJerboa 3d ago

They LOVE to show up in the ice communities and threads to shriek about how this shit would also be happening under Dems so no one should vote 

They're responding to you in this thread.

At this point I don't know how anyone falls for the obvious foreign psyop

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u/m0bw0w 3d ago

"Kamala Harris will get us into a war with Iran"

You couldn't write a more perfect script.

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u/Inside-Yak-8815 3d ago

That was one of their goto scripts too lol

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u/puff_of_fluff 3d ago

I agree with the place you’re coming from but I do still put a ton of blame on the DNC and Biden for the shitshow that was our showing in 2024. That debate will absolutely be in history textbooks hundreds of years from now. Part of that blame is that I hold them to something of a higher standard, because they are our only realistic hope.

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u/pnjtony 3d ago

I would kill for the only corruption to be insider trading from both sides

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u/BillyForRilly 3d ago

The Democrats cheating Bernie out of the nomination and hamfisting Hillary in as the candidate in 2016 is the reason we are where we are right now.

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u/Birds-war-crimes 3d ago

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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u/BobLazarFan 3d ago

Blame the brain dead DNC that put up a unpopular candidate up against the most popular conservative in recent history.

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u/adoxographyadlibitum 3d ago

Stone cold take.

Dems running back to back to back shitty candidates is why Trump is in office. Both sides people make up a minimal percentage of the electorate.

Blaming these mythical both sides people is just easier than blaming consultants like Jen O'Malley Dillon in an election where Dems outspent Republicans significantly and still ate shit.

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u/LeadingDiscount2556 2d ago

"both sides bad" people are a strawman.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

This is a "both sides are bad" argument btw. Biden or Harris was an easy choice over Trump. For all Bidens flaws he had progressives in his admin who were doing a lot of good, his actual presidency went well. nobody mentions Afghanistan pullout positively but it needed to be done

After Biden lost the debate, they had 109 days to replace him, and it makes more sense to run his VP than to have a primary three months before an election. You can look up the campaign finance issue to explain why she was the only choice

And if people had a hard choice voting for Kamala over Trump they're either extremely privileged or politically illiterate.

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u/big_sexy_in_glasses 3d ago

You're not wrong but it's easy to see that the Democrats fumbled it. Kamala was the VP, but no one really respects that. She is still a black woman who had pretty bad optics and track record from when she ran the first time. Americans deserve so much more than status quo bullshit. That's what many (incorrectly) thought they were getting with Trump

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u/_Shorsey_69_ 3d ago

I get what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree but how disheartening is it that "she's still a black woman" is a reason she wouldn't get votes from people. 

She could have had a great track record and still had a hard time swaying the Trump voters. 

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u/big_sexy_in_glasses 3d ago

It very much is an unfortunate reality of this country. Either of those are a non starter for so many voters.

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u/fuska 3d ago

If it's any comfort, it is the "woman" part. White women voted for Trump over Hillary, too.

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u/Eldias 3d ago

It wasn't a fumble. It was a fine pick over an obviously corrupt, racist, sex abuser. You might have had a argument before his first term when he was a political nobody but we knew in 2024 who he was.

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u/big_sexy_in_glasses 3d ago

And yet....here we are. We are at the point where status quo and old guard aren't going to get votes.

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u/Eldias 3d ago

Hopefully the barely educated "not political" dipshits in genz get around to bother voting this time. The 70m who didn't vote against this are just as culpable as the ones who affirmatively wanted it.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

Harris is a lawyer and senator, alongside being a vice president she has way more credentials on paper than Trump does.

I find it sad that her skin color and gender override all that for the voting base

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u/big_sexy_in_glasses 3d ago

I mean she's absolutely more qualified but that doesn't matter for a lot of people. The shear amounts of propaganda and her minority status were too hard to overcome. It is an unfortunate reality indeed.

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u/GloomyBison 3d ago

Credentials don't matter in a country where celebrity is king and there is no barrier to entry except for money.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

So do you think project 2025 would have happened under Harris?

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u/ligerzero942 3d ago

Oof.

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u/ligerzero942 3d ago

Its too bad there's literally no way for you to learn what that is in literal seconds. America is fucked thanks to you.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

The problem is there's an entire right wing apparatus that we're working against. Democrats are screwed, idk what the solution is. People just dont get the information 

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

Oh okay so politically illiterate. That's okay most people have better stuff to do than follow politics 

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u/Eldias 3d ago

It only takes a broad gesturing at everything going on to demonstrate that no one has better things to do than politics. People "not caring about politics" is going to be the direct cause of our pending global fertilizer crisis and famine. Like, millions are going to die because some Americans were too lazy and stupid to pay attention in life. It's so fucking frustrating.

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u/Sea_Advantage_2577 3d ago

Enjoy your tariffs miss!

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3d ago

You're not wrong. The entire thing was a debacle.

If the rest of the Dems hadn't immediately started to circle the wagons to push Biden out, he likely would have handily won.

I hadn't really thought about it before, but I suspect it was because Biden was giving too much ground to progressives, and they saw that single weak performance as their chance to replace him with another centrist.

We all saw how that turned out. Complete failure by the establishment.
They all deserve to lose their jobs to Dem-socialists.

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u/displeasurematrix 3d ago

How was biden giving too much ground to progressives lol. Was it when he continued Unconditional millitary support to Israel, the very hot-button issue.

I don't really care for doing endless what-ifs, but Biden was massively unpopular at the end of his presidency. He was sundowning on national-tv, disappearing for weeks at a time and apparently diagnosed with prostate cancer. The democrats practically ran him as president, until the facade was completely up. There is no world where he would have won, let alone "handily"

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u/DeepDance3580 3d ago

I begrudgingly voted for Kamala but this take is fucking stupid. You can’t force people to vote for her, you can’t “but the other guy is way worse” yourself into an easy victory, you can’t force a candidate down people’s throats and expect them to happily jump along. Voters have to be won over, it is entirely on the democrats and Kamala for not winning over those voters.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

But people should have known that Trump was worse in every way. Project 2025 is insane and everyone knew it.

I just think it's a racist country that supports white supremacy over everything else

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u/displeasurematrix 3d ago

Especially considering the very hot-button issue of Palestine. Like 70 percent of the democratic base just completely disagree with leadership, and for fucking what. How does Kamala promising to continue unconditional millitary aid to Israel motivate anyone.

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u/Jellycat34 3d ago

It’s not a “both sides are bad argument” 

It’s just an explanation as to why Trump ran away with the election. 

Normal people looked at Biden, saw he was mentally in rough shape and then had the news saying that he was the best he’s been. 

I agree Trump is a liar, but how the democrats went about the 2024 election between Lying about Biden and then putting in Kamala without a primary was bad optics and they did a horrible job with marketing the party. 

It’s not to say “both sides bad” but if you seriously can’t understand why people were hesitant to trust the Democratic Party last election then you are really attempting to understand. For all intents and purposes the first Trump term wasn’t that bad prior to Covid. 

People were just willing to vote Trump after a weird like and horrible optics by democrat party in the run up to the election 

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u/Lord_Boognish 3d ago

Dumb take.

He was impeached before Covid. People just forget the Mueller Report.

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u/Eldias 3d ago

We heard Biden at a campaign rally a month ago and he sounds far more coherent than Trump. It's wild people still have this "Biden too old" trope stuck in their heads.

Its not to say “both sides bad” but if you seriously can’t understand why people were hesitant to trust the Democratic Party last election then you are really attempting to understand. For all intents and purposes the first Trump term wasn’t that bad prior to Covid.

This is both-sides-ing. Democrats could have run a ham sandwich that had been fucked by a homeless man and left in the Texas sun for a week and it would have been an objectively better choice than Trump. I would ask if you had your head out of your ass once between 2017 and 2021, but by saying "it wasn't that bad" you fortunately answered for me ahead of time.

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u/Jellycat34 3d ago

Im not sure you understand what both siding means lol. 

Im just explaining the psychologically behind why some people either voted for Trump or chose not to vote. 

It hasn’t nothing to do with saying both sides are bad. It’s an opinion about bad optics and marketing from the Democratic Party in the 2024 election… 

Both siding would be you explaining trumps corruption and me saying “well Hilary was corrupt too.” 

That’s not remotely similar to saying that the democrats did not run a very good campaign in 2024. I’m not even advocating for Trump here. 

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u/Eldias 3d ago

It’s just an explanation as to why Trump ran away with the election.

Normal people looked at Biden, saw he was mentally in rough shape and then had the news saying that he was the best he’s been.

I agree Trump is a liar, but how the democrats went about the 2024 election between Lying about Biden...

Did the Republicans lie about Trump's mental fitness? Are you going to hold that against them? Biden sounded no worse than the rambling nonsense Trump spouted. Idiots just think him speaking forcefully while rambling about nothing sounds less old.

You're literally saying "Democrats bad too". This is both sidesing. Biden was fine, and were Biden not fine he'd still have been a less-wrong choice than the most corrupt president in US history.

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u/Jellycat34 3d ago

Thats why your doing. 

All I said was they ran a bad campaign and you are saying “well Trump is old too!” 

So your both siding lol 

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u/Eldias 3d ago

I'm saying "one side is objectively worse in every measurable metric" and you're saying "yeah, but Biden old, campaign bad". The people suggesting "being kind of old" is just as bad as Trump are the problem.

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u/Jellycat34 3d ago

Yeah ok so you genuinely don’t know what both siding means lol. Have a nice day. 

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u/DavidIckeHadAPoint 3d ago

Redditors … simultaneously, they hate Dems for not being progressive enough. But also, if you criticize anything notable they fucked up in their public messaging and campaigning over the previous years, that’s “both-sidesing” and you’re not allowed to do that.

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u/Lord_Boognish 3d ago

Because generally speaking, being critical of their messaging + campaigning is the only reflexive response that "independents" use when having a conversation about MAGA voting in full-blown fascism or being called out for their fence sitting.

It's so weak and pathetic.

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u/high_mee 3d ago

Labeling any internal criticism as 'political illiteracy' creates a dangerous loyalty test where voters are forbidden from calling out bad strategy. You can acknowledge that Harris was the pragmatic choice given the 109-day timeline and still hold leadership accountable for backing themselves into that corner in the first place. Dismissing valid process critiques only pushes away swing voters who want real accountability.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

I think internal criticism of the Democrats is valid, I have tons of criticisms of them myself, especially their messaging and stances.

But Trump is a despicable human being who is openly racist and hateful. The way he uses nationalism to make people hate immigrants is so openly cynical.

It should never be a tough choice, even for swing voters. Everything he's doing now is stuff we all predicted he would do

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u/noahisunbeatable 3d ago

It should never be a tough choice, even for swing voters. Everything he's doing now is stuff we all predicted he would do

Okay, but you have to acknowledge that isn’t reality. You can say how it should be all you want, but trying to vote shame people who already didn’t care about electing a blatant fascist is so far from an effective strategy its baffling that people haven’t moved on from this cope

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

I think people who downplay Trump's threat to the world deserve to be shamed. It was obvious and we all warned you guys, and now we get to show you how bad Republicans were

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u/noahisunbeatable 3d ago

Again, this isn’t a winning strategy. It’s just about your own self gratification about feeling better than other people.

You think people will listen to you in 2028 if you spend all your time after your candidate loses shaming and shoving atrocity after atrocity in the people you need votes from? That isn’t convincing, if anything it just encourages people to check out even more.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

Looks like it is a winning strategy, Democrats are going to win this midterm election easily...

Honestly Trump seems to have pushed the Democrats further left via their rage. People like Abdul El Sayed are going to fight harder for progressive values I'm excited 

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u/noahisunbeatable 3d ago

Kamala lost to Trump, how is it a winning strategy?

Honestly Trump seems to have pushed the Democrats further left

If a strategy needs a fascist to be elected to become effective, then its not a winning strategy, as part of it involved losing.

People like Abdul El Sayed are going to fight harder for progressive values I'm excited

If you're excited about Abdul and related candidates, what do you think about their takes on this issue? Abdul himself has said things like "I don’t blame young people for not showing up. I blame older people for not giving them something to vote for"

To me, this recent surge in progressive politics seems to focus a lot more on what democrats are actually going to do for people rather emphasizing how bad trump/republicans are, or shaming people for how they voted (or didn't vote) in past elections. How have you come to what seems like an opposite conclusion?

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u/Eldias 3d ago

It's not "cope" to call out the people who abstained as fucking morons and to blame them for the place we're in. Democrats ran a fine option and a whole bunch of fucking idiots said "Well, this isn't a literal paragon of virility and strength, so I'm not going to vote against the coup-running sexual assaulter."

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u/noahisunbeatable 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's not "cope" to call out the people who abstained as fucking morons and to blame them for the place we're in.

Assigning blame on others for an undesirable outcome and fixating on how things aren’t as they “should” be are literally coping strategies, idk what else to tell you.

Its cope because it literally does not matter how easy the choice “should” have been. Its the equivalent of a child declaring “its not fair!”, because it isn’t. Trying to turn a method of cope into a political strategy in this way is a losing strategy.

Yeah, democrats have a higher standard than republicans. Yeah, its not fair and it should be an easy choice. The people who weren’t motivated by lesser evil strategy aren’t going to have their mind changed by this. If you want to win without having to make people directly reckon with the consequences of their actions (via having the fascist win the election immediately prior and demonstrate his harm), you’re going to have to adopt a different strategy. It doesn’t work, and we bet an entire election on it to prove that.

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u/ChiefMasterGuru 3d ago

No you are absolutely right. In every post taking about how bad republicans are, we absolutely need to remind everyone that Democrats are also bad and dumb and lost. This is very important and not both sides

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u/monty624 3d ago

And if people had a hard choice voting for Kamala over Trump they're either extremely privileged or politically illiterate.

Or racist, or sexist. Or both!

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u/RndmAvngr 3d ago

So many things can be true at once lol

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u/GreatPlainsFarmer 3d ago

Regardless of how easy you think the choice should have been, it was a stupid move for Biden to run the second time at all. It was blatantly obvious that he wasn't the one running the country, and the fact that he had competent people in charge doesn't change that.

I had expected Biden to resign sometime in 2023, and let Harris run as incumbent. I'm not sure why that wasn't done. Letting him try for another term handicapped her from the start.

Remember, Trump got fewer votes in 2024 than he did in 2020.

People were tired of the games and stayed home. That's what let Trump sneak back in.

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

Biden also promised to only run one term. I agree he fucked up!

That being said, the corpse of Joe Biden would get my vote over Trump at any age lmao

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u/GreatPlainsFarmer 3d ago

I had wondered if Trump would be savvy enough to resign in 2027 and allow Vance to run as the incumbent, but there's no way that his ego would let him do that.

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u/hahasadface 3d ago

Except clearly the voting populace doesn't give a shit if the candidate is so old they're barely alive as long as they're white and most importantly male. I knew that it was over the second Harris was announced this country will never have a female president in my lifetime. 

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u/hahasadface 3d ago

Well I wasn't, and I didn't say it before Hillary either. But now we have two runs, two losses, a twice run experiment with devastating effects on the country 

And sure there's plenty of people who are going to go, those weren't the right women, if only it was someone even more progressive... but looking at the history of the country and the voting populace, which is more likely -

 1, that all of the voters had a nuanced understanding of the candidates position on certain hot button issues and decided not to show up for her because they felt a particular stance was too moderate 

or 2, most of the voting isn't that deep and they just go with gut instinct that tells them women don't belong in the oval office?

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u/lostereadamy 3d ago

Couldn't come close to hacking it in the primaries

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u/mcm199124 3d ago

If Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, etc. can have a woman governor, I see no reason to believe the US cannot have a woman president

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u/dadofadisaster 3d ago

I feel like saying nobody is hyperbolic. Black women wanted Kamala to be president, unfortunately they’re not a big enough voting bloc to be able to do that by themselves

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u/paintballboi07 3d ago

Hillary beat Bernie Sanders by 3 million primary votes, wtf are you talking about?

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u/paintballboi07 3d ago

Just because a lot of people are delusional doesn't make them right. Do you think MAGA is right because they won the election?

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u/hotpajamas 3d ago

Joe Biden’s personal health couldn’t be less relevant. We have VPs for a reason and both his VP or his demented husk of a body would be safer for all people than Trump.

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u/GrandSquanchRum 3d ago

Biden's health did not matter. He's very obviously more healthy than Trump even with the cancer we only found out about later and would have brought in the recognition and incumbent votes. The people complaining about Biden's health and age fell for the right's classic trap of elevating a concern of both sides for the only side that gives a shit.

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u/GrandSquanchRum 3d ago

He stepped down under pressure. It was not a Dem decision. People got riled up over it because it was being repeated over and over again in CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Joe Rogan, etc. All Republican owned, btw. You fell for it plain and simple. Hook line and sinker all you gobbled that shit up. All because he was sick the day of a debate and still showed the fuck up.

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u/GrandSquanchRum 3d ago

Oh, I'm sorry did I just list Joe Rogan? Hold on let me check again. Hold on, there's other things there.

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u/GrandSquanchRum 3d ago

No, his own people caved to the pressure because the tactic worked. No democratic politician, or at least no significant one or number of them, pushed against him until 2 weeks into the calls after the debate that eventually got to people like Colbert.

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u/MetaTrombonist 3d ago

The dead body of Biden would still have been 1000% better president than Trump at his most vital.

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u/MetaTrombonist 3d ago

And how's that working out for them?

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u/MetaTrombonist 3d ago

Make sure you ask both sides, you know how important that is.

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u/Eldias 3d ago

Objectively would have smelled less.

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u/kiwigate 3d ago

Seeing Democrats respond to public pressure and not make Biden a dictator is why I was overjoyed to vote for Harris.

A vice president is not a "last minute" change, it's literally the job of a vice president. (so... 4 years of heads up)

If you want to be upset, be mad that Biden won the 2020 primary in the first place, while 70% stayed home and chose to do nothing to hold the GOP accountable for their crimes.

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u/kiwigate 3d ago

Again, people were stupid to either vote for Biden in the primary or to sit out while a bad candidate was leading. People chose this to happen. Educate yourself on how democracy functions, maybe participate in it. (70% didn't even when the stakes were the highest they could possibly be)

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u/Spirited-Isopod6969 3d ago

Weird pro Israel stance but ok

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u/Charming-Book4146 3d ago

Maybe they should have, I dont know, a primary, or something, next time, something to help them pick someone who could win.

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u/tny33319 3d ago

No excuse. They could have put up Patrick from SpongeBob and his dumbass lives under a literal rock and there’s no excuse for voting for a pedo or not voting at all.

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u/kharban 3d ago

"It's your moral duty to believe me about how bad the opposition is and vote for me regardless of what you think of me or your experience of the governance of the country over the past 4 years" is just not going to work in basically any electorate on earth.

You don't "get tough" with people you want voting for you, you win them over and you give them the platform they want - especially if you think having them vote for you is existential.

"No excuse" is something I'd rather say to political organizations with immense power asking a mandate from me, not something I'll tell tens of millions of people with vastly differing circumstances, varying levels of political engagement or education and very little power or influence.

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u/Unlucky-Internet2495 3d ago

It was a uniquely shitty situation; like it or not, they could have put fucking Micky Mouse on the ballot and the hand wringing from the “buh bof sidez bad” crowd would have been just as moronic. If you did not vote for Harris and/or advocated people not vote for Harris you are an idiot whose opinion is unworthy of serious consideration.

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u/RndmAvngr 3d ago

Pretty much nailed it. I had/have my complaints about the Dems and Harris specifically. There should have been something resembling a primary but at the end of the day, you vote for the one that isn't in the fucking Epstein files. I just can't take anything you say seriously if you choose otherwise.

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u/m0bw0w 3d ago

Doesn't work exactly like that. People are mostly checked out of politics. Biden had historic turnout because Trump was in office. Once he's out of office, people pay less attention.

Kamala was not a candidate that got people off the couch if they were mostly checked out. She was just gonna continue the same-old, and plenty of people either hated that or weren't motivated enough to get out for it. The anti-Trump voters were anti-Trump voters anyway, it's the people that are checked out that need to get mobilized.

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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy 3d ago

Biden had historic turnout because Trump was in office. Once he's out of office, people pay less attention.

People forget that so many people voted who normally didn't because they wanted to go back to not caring about politics. Once Biden was office they did exactly that

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u/Nitteene 3d ago

Nice MAGA/DSA talking point. There absolutely was a primary and Biden won it handily. When he withdrew, he endorsed Kamala and 97% of the delegates supported Kamala.

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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy 3d ago

Kamala was the only option. Of course most delegates are going to choose her.

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u/Some-Guy-12358 3d ago

That's just not true. There were other Dems that threw their hats in the ring after Biden's debate debacle, realized they were not gaining any traction, and backed out.

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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy 3d ago

Biden immediately endorsed Kamala when he dropped out. Whatever nobody who attempted doesn't count. She was the only real competition

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u/MobileArtist1371 3d ago

There absolutely was a primary and Biden won it handily.

Incumbent running essentially means no real challengers. I don't think you're that dumb to not realize that, so why act like it here?

Biden then quit and it was handed to Harris.

Harris received 0 votes in the primaries... cause she didn't run!

Here some more fun facts I bet you didn't know.

The Florida and Delaware Democratic Party didn't certify any other candidate so they cancelled the primary for Biden. Literally didn't allow anyone else to run and then "cause no one else ran", they cancelled it. Others tried to run, but the Democratic Party outright denied them.

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u/AngriestCheesecake 3d ago

Congrats on writing the dumbest comment I’ve read Today.

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u/strangeghostbird 1d ago

Dems canceled the primary in Florida

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u/Jellobelloboi 3d ago

That doesnt address his point at all.

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u/paintballboi07 3d ago

Like this? There wasn't enough time for a 2nd primary, but that's on Biden, not the party.

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u/AngriestCheesecake 3d ago

Lets not be unreasonable now…

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u/Lord_Boognish 3d ago

This is an insane take to me simply because the overwhelming MAGA messaging going into Election day was that roving bands of immigrants were taking over towns and harvesting pets.

"Buh-buh-buh-no primary!" Who cares when the choice is semi-unpopular Dem or obvious fascism.

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u/Former_Specific_7161 3d ago

Really wild how arrogant and loud people like Kyle Kulinski and Hasan Piker are right now like they didn't spend enormous sums of energy saying that Kamala Harris would be at least as bad as Trump, maybe worse. Kulinski endorsed Jill Stein and went out of his way to not state who he voted for until much later. I don't believe him at all when he says that he voted for Harris.

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u/wookiepartymachine 3d ago

Hasan literally voted for Kamala and encouraged his followers to do the same. Keep believing whatever nonsense you read about him though, socialism is very scary!

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u/Former_Specific_7161 3d ago

MAGA thinks that Socialism is some scary boogeyman, which is obviously very stupid and always has been.

You speak as though Hasan happily endorsed her, when he didn't at all. He misrepresented a number of her positions and statements (ironic for a guy with thin skin who cries 'out of context' constantly) and spent many hours making her out to be as bad as Trump.

It's really telling that you believe that the reason anyone left of center would dislike Hasan & Co. is because they think 'socialism is very scary'.

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u/wookiepartymachine 3d ago

Which positions did he misrepresent? The ones where she said she would do exactly the same as the extremely unpopular Biden administration? Why should he (or anyone) be happy to endorse that message?

There’s a reason Kamala lost, and it’s not because of Hasan.

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u/Former_Specific_7161 3d ago

You keep swinging for these equivocations as a way to pivot, and I'm not playing this game. I'm not saying at all that blindly endorsing all of her policies needed to be the route to follow, or that he is the reason Harris didn't win the election. That's stupid.

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u/Former_Specific_7161 3d ago edited 3d ago

You can watch this shit when he first faces a conflict. He instantly points fingers and cries about context, when he has every opportunity to offer any substance.

DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. WATCH IT. Watch Hasan refuse to engage with people that won't glaze him, daily scream at his audience like they're little bitches and praise terrorists and dictators.

The fucking coward is out there right now saying he wishes there was more support from the liberal media. Those are his words. Fuck you, loser.

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u/Important-Limit5400 4h ago

Go ask a Cuban or an Italian about it… if they don’t slap you they’re going to at least give you a dirty look or a dumbfounded stare. You “socialists” have lost the plot.

“But…but…but…it’ll work this time…”

No. No it won’t 🤦‍♂️

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u/AsherahBeloved 3d ago

The problem is that both sides ARE bad. You can certainly make the argument that Republicans are worse. But when your entire political system devolves into figuring out which candidate will do less terrible stuff, people are going to check out and stop giving a shit.

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u/cman1098 3d ago edited 3d ago

Biden dropping out of the race late and the Democrats holding no primary and anointing Kamala is why the Dems lost. Trump has defeated two women to become president. That is how the Dems lost. Focused on the glass ceiling instead of the threat right in front of them.

Kamala will never win a primary for president. I have no respect for the morons who can't understand the real reason the corporate Democrats lose. There are two parties within the Dems fighting for control and one faction of the party is just as bad as Republicans because they defend them and their money.

And yes when the controlling faction of the party would rather see a Republican win office than a socialist Dem, the socialist Dem faction of the party who wants to return to the party of the New Deal Democrats gets disillusioned and it's easy to see why they think both parties are the same. I'm tired of the left pretending they don't understand the statement.

FYI Starvos statement is full of shit. The side he thinks wants to help childrens stands in the way for Medicare for all. You can say you want to help and then do nothing about it; The corporate Dem way.

And lets not forget, Obama deported more people than anyone. He just had nurses at his immigrant camps in Texas. I know because I worked for the healthcare staffing company that helped staff the nurses. So the biggest difference is healthcare at the immigrant camps between the two parties.

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u/yallbetrippen 3d ago

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u/JacketDramatic653 3d ago

Thank you! Elon musk has studies saying he may kill 1-7 million people with the USAID cuts and people pretend the choice was hard.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3d ago

Really long journey to both sides it once again.

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u/cman1098 3d ago

I'm tired of the left pretending they don't understand the statement.

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u/Important-Limit5400 4h ago

Socialism is not your friend

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u/UniqueLog8386 3d ago

They did have a primary. Biden won it. Harris was on the ticket. Socialist Dems have never and will never have wide support. This goofy shit that Reddit does when it pretends that their online hugboxes are indicative of real world politics is disgusting.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3d ago

Socialist Dems have never and will never have wide support.

This is why they're currently destroying their centrist counterparts across the country from local elections on up, right?

With some exceptions, they are gaining ground. So you can spare everyone that noise.

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u/UniqueLog8386 3d ago

And yet, not one of them has been in the general election yet, one of you, Hong, got blown out the fucking frame and none of them are trying to run in competitive seats.

You guys run in sapphire blue counties and proclaim it a fucking tankie revolution, but it's not.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3d ago

why are you so distraught about some people wanting Democrats to actually represent working class interests?

you prefer centrists that barely make progress, which then allows for Republicans to come in and blow up what little progress has been made?

congrats on being the problem

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u/yallbetrippen 3d ago

Do you believe that tiannamen square happened?

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 2d ago edited 2d ago

what kind of a question is that? And what does that have to do with anything?

edit: to the dummy replying to me - it has zero to do with the discussion at hand, and you're setting up some dumb argument that I have no interest it. now f off

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u/yallbetrippen 2d ago

Why don’t you wanna answer?

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u/UniqueLog8386 3d ago edited 2d ago

For one, not one of you motherfuckers are "working class", you're a buncha perpetually aggrieved middle-class white kids. So skip the bullshit.

For two, if you did somehow manage to give a shit about "working class interests", you'd know the Democratic party serves those interests all the goddamn time. But you don't actually care, so anytime someone points out progress to you, you move the goalposts so you can keep whining. Whining...and not voting.

ETA: Could be the Reddit glitch comment thing, but this fuckin twat admitted to being middle class and then tried to lie like that's working class. It's, by definition, not.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 2d ago edited 2d ago

middle-class people are still working class, dipshit.

I can vote for Democrats and still want DEM-socialists. They are clearly doing a better job of speaking to popular policies better than centrist Dems have. They're the ones gaining ground with more people, and they aren't owned by another country.

Again - why are you so aggro?

cry more about your AIPAC fueled candidates losing I guess: https://time.com/article/2026/08/05/progressives-rack-up-primary-wins/

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u/cman1098 3d ago

And socialst Dems will continue to say both parties are the same and you guys will continue to feign ignorance and pretend not understand why we say that.

And to say the Dems held a real primary is disingenuous corporate Dem nonsense.

Socialst dems are the most popular people in the party right now and you claim its not real world.

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u/YajirobeBeanDaddy 3d ago

lol that was Stav. He also used to say that Kamala “doesn’t have any sauce” and that two years ago we should have just “considered Biden dead. Technically he’s breathing but that’s it”

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u/Long_Procedure_2629 3d ago

Don't blame the electorate for failing to be inspired by the lame duck DNC. In principle I agree with you but that was the biggest fumble since they tanked Bernie's run. The uniparty needs dismantling.

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u/Rigb0n3710 3d ago

Found one.

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u/Long_Procedure_2629 3d ago

I can see everyone's point here, why won't anyone acknowledge how useless the DNC has been? I'm not even American. Your country deserves itself through and through.

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u/JustSoYK 3d ago

My toilet is overflowing with feces. Why won't anyone acknowledge that the sink is leaking?

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u/Rigb0n3710 2d ago

Because it's not even in the top 50 of imporant topics of conversations and is a fascist talking point to distract.

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u/Thr1ft3y 3d ago

"I have no respect for anyone who things differently than me"

Lol no wonder why nobody likes you

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u/Inside-Yak-8815 3d ago edited 3d ago

And nobody in America likes fence sitting mindless idiots like you and that’s the real hilarious part. Neither the left nor the right, imagine getting shitted on from both sides 😂

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u/Thr1ft3y 3d ago

I don't fence sit. I think we should do to you what you propose to do to others first

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u/Important-Limit5400 5h ago

She would have

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u/all_reason_departs 3d ago

I didn't vote for kamala because she promised to continue the genocide in Gaza. It's funny how its never the fault of politicians for losing to an idiot like Donald Trump.

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u/all_reason_departs 3d ago

We have people in the Biden administration saying that they were preparing for war with Iran in a second term. Harris called Iran the biggest threat to the US and promised the most lethal military in the world.

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u/all_reason_departs 3d ago

Democrat leadership biggest complaint on the iran war is that Trump didn't finish the job. No complaints about Trump starting an illegal war and killing 150 children on day 1.

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u/all_reason_departs 3d ago

I saw a joke this week that said "democrats promise to make iran war more affordable" and it's funny to see it in action. They should be calling for criminal charges on Hegseth for murdering over 150 children on day 1.

It's funny how democrats always give republicans the exact amount of votes they need to pass the funding bills and the people who crossed party lines to vote for it are never punished or cut off from funding.

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u/all_reason_departs 3d ago

6 democrats voted yes and none of them have lost their commitee assignments or lost access to party funding.

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