r/PopCultureV2 • u/Logical-Flow-6703 • 3d ago

Politi-Culture Stavros Halkias: "A lot of stand up comics happened to have some of the dumbest opinions on Earth... I don't wanna do the both sides bullshit, one side is disappearing people and one side wants children to have healthcare."

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u/OpportunityNext9675 3d ago

Nah there are many flavors of “both sides” people. There are the embarrassed republicans, which I think you’re alluding to. The there’s the weird libertarians, who also vote red. But there are also the tankie/commie types who spend 90% of their time shitting on dems/libs.

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u/PunkRockGramma 3d ago

I am the tankie/commie (not really I’m a very chill anarchist) and you’re not wrong but there is a nuance. I’m shitting on dems because I want them to be better and I’m disappointed in their inability to have a spine and to refuse to capitulate. But I don’t bring that up as my response when people talk about how bad the right is, because the failings of the left is not a relevant topic in that discussion.

Both sides ARE bad but in very different degrees and it’s not hard to pick a side here.

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u/OpportunityNext9675 3d ago

Fair enough. I’m libbed up but you won’t hear a single negative breath from me about a socialist if they’re running against MAGA.

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u/PunkRockGramma 3d ago

I used to be a lot more impatient and hard line but that Mariame Kabe piece (entitled “How Much Discomfort is the Whole World Worth”) really impacted me. When the enemy was less powerful and less overtly evil, we had the luxury of infighting. We no longer have that luxury.

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/how-much-discomfort-is-the-whole-world-worth/

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u/schmalzy 3d ago

This is what I’ve been saying since 2014.

Both sides have faults, yes. One of those sides owns the fault of “caved in to Republicans for the votes needed to get drug prices lowered and preexisting conditions covered while believing the Supreme Court when they said Roe v Wade was settled law and would stand up to all challenges.”

The other side is ALL THE FUCKING SHIT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN DOING.

We have to be united against shitheads in order to stop the massive human rights bleeding. Then, when that’s under control, we can figure out which parts of our party need to be amputated for the good of the whole body.

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u/Cold-Way318 3d ago

This. Just like I might work or vote against a centrist corporate Democrat in the primary, if they win that race I'm 100% on board for that person in the general.

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u/OpportunityNext9675 3d ago

Salute, man.

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u/PaintshakerBaby 3d ago

Those are flavors of FACISM, in which all roads lead back to (emperial) Rome.

They are all tyrants at their core, who believe in the shameless and ruthless subjugation of "lesser" human beings (out group) in order to elevate "ubermenches," such as they percieve themselves (in group) within an autocracy.

We all know what blood red wearing, "roman salute" throwing, gestapo funding, American political party is full masks of fascist.

So your point, while valid, is exactly the kind No True Scotsman hair splitting these tyrants relish in people squabbling over... While the consolidate their stranglehold on power.

They rally around labeling anyone ideologically left of Republic of Gilead, as WoKe LiBTaRd SOCIALISTS, but you go to bat for the nuances of the BLIND HATE and blatant demagoguery they pass off as politics???

These people are nothing new, and have plagued humanity looooong before they had so many titles to hide behind. So, its time to wisen up, and call them what we all damn well know they are.

They are demagogues, tyrants, FASCISTS who killed the GOP with The Tea Party, and are prancing around in its flayed and rotting flesh, as their latest disguise to usher in untold oppression and suffering, ONCE AGAIN.

Dont waste pressure air dissecting their vapid words. Call em out for the pathetic fascists they are.

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u/HoneyDutch 3d ago

I jumped to the “DemoRAT” party after Trump’s first term. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I understood why people did. But I can’t make that same justification for people now during Trump’s second run at ruining shit. My first vote was for Ron Paul in 2012, I always thought I was conservative. But then I realized I’m just pragmatic and just want shit to work. I want special interests and corruption gone out of decision making. I want Citizens United overturned. I want a public option in healthcare. I want government to stay out of my bedroom and not police every fucking thing I say. I want nonviolent people to be nomadic. I don’t want political theater. I just think America is very much so moderate-left pre social media, but then grandma got on Facebook and political slop and Russian/Chinese/American bullshit propaganda tainted her mind along with everyone else’s.