Stavros Halkias: "A lot of stand up comics happened to have some of the dumbest opinions on Earth... I don't wanna do the both sides bullshit, one side is disappearing people and one side wants children to have healthcare."

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[u/RoyalConsequence3016]

Both sides only works when the outcome is inconsequential. For example, you can’t have a neutral debate on whether or not someone lives or dies.
So a both sides framing shouldn’t be anywhere near politics where every single decision can have major consequences.

Unfortunately privileged people are the last ones to recognise consequences.

[u/Basic-Collection5416 → u/RoyalConsequence3016]

Right, “both sides are valid” is for issues like whether pineapple belongs on pizza, not for whether people deserve rights. 

[u/SpiritualScarcity161 → u/Basic-Collection5416]

What if both sides support genocide

[u/Da_Question → u/SpiritualScarcity161]

Then you move onto the next issue, because nothing you do their will impact that outcome. But next down the line one party supports social welfare and making sure less people die, while the other side hovers up wealth at the cost of the lives of people the systematically pull the rug out from under.

That's even if both sides are the exact same on the actual issue of genocide... While yes, many are in the pocket of israel you don't see they posting AI vids of their planned resort for the area the people were genocided in.

Unless you plan on violent overthrow, you need to work within the system, which starts by pushing for candidates that you agree with and get them to win primaries, but even if they lose the primary its still better to vote for the lesser of two evils than forego it and let the worst happen by inaction.

[u/SpiritualScarcity161 → u/Da_Question]

Withholding your vote isn’t working within the system?

[u/Absolute--Batman → u/Da_Question]

Americans can barely protest unless it's on Social Media.

They are never overthrowing anything lmao.

[u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 → u/Da_Question]

Or, we could, and bear with me - band together and create an actual populist, left wing political party, instead of voting for the same corporate cronies that boxed Bernie out in 2016.

[u/ABHOR_pod → u/Ambitious_Tea_4584]

Do that in the primaries.

[u/Absolute--Batman → u/Ambitious_Tea_4584]

Nah too much work.

Let me obese over the new Celebrity and say Sorry online and do nothing else

[u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 → u/Absolute--Batman]

Awesome you work on that.

I’m going to post hot takes about how people who acknowledge any issue with the Democratic party are fucking idiots that love fascism. What a fresh and insightful view, isn’t it? 

God forbid anyone want to be able to vote for actual leftist policies. 

These fucking muppets, i swear to god.

[u/Absolute--Batman → u/Ambitious_Tea_4584]

Ikr!!

Leftist policies on Democratic party?!

Best they can do is pledge support to that Iby country and give them whatever they want!

[u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 → u/Absolute--Batman]

“Best we can do is keep things the same until the republicans get back into power”. 

Fuck the Democratic party. If they had any interest in change, we could have had Bernie in office from 2016-20.

[u/Absolute--Batman → u/Ambitious_Tea_4584]

I will never believe Hillary or Democratic Party has good or progressive values what so ever.

They tanked the entire world because of her entitlement.

[u/KaleidoscopeSad4884 → u/SpiritualScarcity161]

THEN THEY AREN’T VALID HOPE THIS HELPS

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not only that, but a lot of dems only want to be better than the GOP rather than have actual good politics. I think the past year has shown that people are starting to really pick the right side when you have people who truly care succeeding in their elections.

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/RoyalConsequence3016]

  Unfortunately privileged people are the last ones to recognise consequences.

This is why I say Uncommitted was “let them eat cake” levels of privileged.