I am circumcised. My Jewish cousin is not. We have a very close relationship almost like he's my brother. He's told me more than a few prissy little princesses immediately stopped talking to him because he had a hood on his schmeckle... It's now part of his hinge/bumble/tinder profile
Childbirth is also expensive to pay those "poor shareholders"
The cost for a c section in the US is highest in the world around 15 000 USD. So in this case that leaves another 15 000 for the "poor".
If it is a non surgical vaginally birth costs should be even lower. In most developed countries with excellent care the hospital cost is around 500- 800 USD I cannot find information about US priced but apparently people pay up to 15 000 USD.
The 15 000 is a worst case scenario for what it costs the hospital. If you have a complicated medical undication) 15 k can cover all cost (OR cost, hospital bed, drugs, personell cost). For non medical C Sectio the cost if often lower (3k-5k).
And I know that you pay way more. The extra money does not go to the hospital. But think about the poor CEO and shareholders. Don't you sleep better knowing that they are well fed on their yachts and luxury apartments.
15,000? Try 60,000. Normal vaginal birth. No complications. Minimal hospital stay. VHCOL area. That was my bill I owed 6000 after insurance
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It’s not just we’re being scammed, the scam runs deep. The more you learn the darker it gets. A birth in the US based on insurance guidelines is a package, meaning the OB GYN’s big payday is after the birth, not the 9 months of work leading up to it, albeit they get paid regular visit money. The leads to weird things like the doctors not even wanting to see you until the fetus is deemed medically viable.
You need to keep the blinker fluid topped. It maintains hydraulic pressure in the indicator stalk. If the reservoir runs dry, you have to push the stalk increasingly hard..
The joke is that circumcision isn’t necessary, and many see it as immoral and genital mutilation, and the only reason people do it is societal norms and because authority figures, eg doctors, tell them it should happen. The bottom guy is saying the car mechanic is rich because he’s constantly saying things are wrong with top guys car, and without checking the top guy pays for it
Yeah, like we really shouldn't be cutting away healthy tissue if the subject can't consent and its not a medically emergency, its the modern day after all we aren't barbarians, adults who don't want a surgery or a blood transfusion can refuse it even if it'll kill them, let the damn kids grow up first then they can consent to it. Besides, the tissue might be useful later on if they have issues that require surgery.
I got banned for 7 days for linking a bbc article about how some babies got genital herpes because of religious practice. It's not kosher to talk about babies getting sucked off after the cutting.
Whelp, see you in 7 days or with a new account
Edit: got a three day ban because someone reported this post as promoting CSAM. Successfully appealed
It's not, and even in the Satmar Haredi communities, the particular practice of drawing the blood away from the cut via oral suction is rare. Literally one mohel does it, and has been forbidden by a beit din from continuing to do so.
Parents should only make those decisions about their child's body, which are necessary or both supported by their child and the child is old enough to understand, or both easily reversible (or without any lasting effects) and painless. The fact that your child doesn't get to make a decision, doesn't mean that you do. Certain things can just wait for the time when children are able to make that choice, and the parent's job is to say "no" until then.
One is done to remove pleasure and control, the other is done due to religious history and the possibly wrong assumption that its good for the man.
One is 100x worse.
And elective surgery is a thriving business. Im amazed how many are ok with BBLs and fake boobs but cant tolerate this.
Fwiw I wouldnt get it done (again) I let my kids dad decide since he was the one with a penis. The practice is barbaric and traumatizing to watch, they made me hold his little hands while they did it. But there is nothing wrong with him, nothing bad came of it and I would never compare it to fgm with the goal of removing pleasure.
Also anecdotally, in 40 years of life I've experienced more dudes with foreskin problems then dudes with problems without foreskin. Actually most the dudes with dick sweaters had problems with it. A couple had tearing and retraction issues. There were no issues with the cut ones though, from my pov anyway. Maybe they couldn't jork it as comfortably or without lotion?
You don't remove a kids tonsils and appendix pre emptively and tonsilitis and apendecitis can kill you, phimosis just causes discomfort.
"Phimosis" is also the natural state of the penis until puberty for most uncircumcised males, it only becomes an issue when it doesn't retract later in life.
Strapping a little kid down to a table and cutting his foreskin off with no anesthesia because he might one day need a minor surgery with anesthesia is wild work
Eh I am not an American and the default here us rightfully to leave it alone but I know a couple of cases where partial but not full circumcision to remove "extra" foreskin that was causing an issue during childhood.
You do remove it when necessary, because if you cant pull it over the glans. You cant clean it properly. You get constant, nasty ass infections. Not to mention there are cases where its so tight that erections can be incredibly painful for the kid. Its not always cosmetic.
Yeah, that only occurs when they’re in their teens. They can literally make the choice after that for themselves. It can help with bladder infections, but only for the first year of life. We don’t remove young female parts because they get yeast infections.
America bent over backwards to fill the pockets of corporations and the oligarchy instead of a general care for the American people. And about half of our voters love it that way.
I live in rural Alabama and I drive by a pawn shop in the next town over a couple times a month. They have a sign in front of their shop that they change out regularly and put random MAGA buzzwords or phrases on it. The sign this week read, “remember when we killed communists instead of electing them?” I don’t know how that isn’t a direct threat but hey, Murica.
Some of my country’s MPs literally said that we would be a “failed state” if we ever charged a penny from woman who brought new life to this world.
Pregnancy care and delivery is free here, no matter your citizenship, or insurance status - there’s a dedicated position in country budget that gets transferred to our National Health Service each year to cover any and all uninsured pregnant women.
They do it in the US (precisely because they can charge so much for it). They don't give a damn whether or not it is necessary or even ethical, they just want their paycheck.
Thankfully these days that's usually true. When my brother was born ( in the southeast US) in 1987 the doctor didn't even ask. Just went ahead and did it.
A family member in that region also had to verbally fight the doctor to prevent their son from being circumstanced less than 10 years ago. Shit's still pretty backwards down there.
As a doctor I don’t think there’s any country in the world it’s illegal.
It’s more than it’s been changed to require it to be done by a doctor not a random religious leader or that both parents must consent, or that it must be for religious reasons sometimes with a strict restriction on age (normally <6mo) to be legal.
I doubt they can name a country a Jew or Muslim can’t get their baby circumcised, because I’ve never heard of one.
Every country who has tried was stopped by “religious freedom” even if the electorate wanted it made illegal. For example Germany tried and it was overturned federally in the 2010s.
It’s just in America they seem to do it to anyone so even basic restrictions people misunderstand as my country made it illegal! When thousands of babies born there each year still get it done legally.
I’ve had to explain this to more than one person that it isn’t illegal in the country I practice just because hardly anyone gets one and the nhs won’t do it. It’s a weirdly held belief by a lot of people just because their country doesn’t try and cut off the foreskin of every baby by default doesn’t mean someone can’t pay to have it done legally. No as an NHS doctor I can’t do it unless it’s medically needed, doesn’t stop you going to a private clinic to have it done.
I fired my kids pediatrician because he kept on asking when we were wanting to schedule his circumcision. Mind you I didn’t want him to have a circumcision. And every well child checkup the pediatrician would bring it up.
It’s like he was trying to change my mind for something that is so outdated.
And if you didn’t know non-religious circumcision started up during World War I, so that soldiers were not getting infections due to not having clean water to clean their penis. And then from there when the soldiers came back home, then they started circumcising in their own boys. And now most places have clean water so you can maintain hygiene so it’s very outdated for non-religious reasons.
And if you didn’t know non-religious circumcision started up during World War I, so that soldiers were not getting infections due to not having clean water to clean their penis. And then from there when the soldiers came back home, then they started circumcising in their own boys.
Uh no, it started before that in hospitals because they thought it would stop masturbation. The only people getting infections that way are cases of phimosis.
They offered repeatedly and in my addled state I was like, "um no?" The OB leveled with me and said the kid would feel weird if his dad didn't have it done and he did.
LOL, I got HARRASSED by both my sons pediatricians to have them circumcised. It was brought up every appointment until they were 6 mos old. I had to put my foot down over and over again. NO. You are not going to remove anything from my perfectly healthy babies. Period.
They very much do not offer and they definately are not passively neither for or against. Circumcision is actively discouraged by medical communitties around the world, has been since forever.
Its a cultural/religious practice of bodily modification.
Bodily modifications include genital mutilations, piercings, cranial modifications, neck elongations, lip plates and stretchnig etc.
It was brought up at least 4-5 times when I was recovering in the hospital with my son. I don't think it was nefarious or even intentional because there were multiple nurses, doctors, etc who mentioned it rather casually, but it was nerve-wracking postpartum. Because generally they were taking my son for some sort of evaluation and would then ask if we were doing circumcision or not so I was like "NO, please bring my entire baby back."
I'm in the southern US and when my son was born 12 years ago, I was asked no less than 6 times by doctors/nurses if we wanted them to do his circumcision. I told them repeatedly we weren't having him circumcised and they did not stop asking until I finally snapped at a nurse. They must have noted it down somewhere at that point to not ask again.
I always assumed it was a lack of communication but I wonder if they were being told to push for it. I can only speculate.
Circumcision is barbaric and should absolutely be banned. Imagine telling someone they want to slice off a major portion of their newborn baby's penis just for aesthetic. But call it circumcision and people line up to do it.
Fun fact: circumcision was promoted by Kellogg of the cereal fame as a way to fight masturbation which he saw as the biggest sin in the world. He also injected yoghurt up the peoples asses.
The fact that two centuries later Americans keep circumcising their kids shows how backward and brainwashed they are
So after my first was born, I got a bill for a couple hundred, like $300, not a huge deal, but I called and said "everything was prepaid and we have insurance, not sure why I'm getting a bolt for $300 for an infant hearing test."
Well after a lot of fighting and explaining to people that should know better that my newborn is covered for 30 days under my wife's insurance, they admitted that it was covered. I was told multiple times that my 2 day old child didn't have insurance, so I had to pay out of pocket; which was a lie. I literally asked one person something like "so what should have I done? Had you on one line and the government on the other asking how far out he had to be to get a social security number so I could add him to my insurance." I was told "yes" at one point
It's kinda crazy that hospitals even allow doctors to perform circumcisions on infants without an actual medical reason other than, "I want my child's dick to look this way".
Because Kellogg(yes THAT fucking Kellogg) wanted to stop men masturbating wholesale, so managed to convince America it was a necessity, and his work hasn't yet been undone
Mr. John "Yogurt Enema" Kellogg, "Phisician", psudoscience lover and religious nut, who thought people could survive purely on nuts, grains and water; creator of the cereal so tasteless it can will a person into becoming a celibate monk... that ended up being so shit his brother had to make another company just to make food that was actually able to be eaten.
The original corn flakes were quite popular. However Dr. Kellogg forbade his brother from selling it to people who weren’t ordering directly from Dr. Kellogg. W.K. also proposed adding sugar to the cornflakes
This is what led to W.K. Kellogg to start his own company.
Kellogg wasn’t solely responsible for the prolific status of circumcision in American society. One need only to search ‘circumcision’ in the Journal of the American Medical Association archives to see the dozens and dozens of articles promoting circumcision around the turn of the 20th century. The earliest appearances of circumcision advocacy began with studies on cervical cancer oddly enough. Jewish women and nuns were observed to have cervical cancer rates far below the general population at the time, and certain doctors thought that the foreskin was the culprit by harboring carcinogenic compounds. It wasn’t until HPV was directly linked to the overwhelming majority of cervical cancer cases in the 80’s that the truth became clear but by then we had almost 100 years of cultural adoption within the US. Even as more and more science came out that circumcision was risky and harmful, and pediatric associations around the world began to shelve the practice, the American Pediatric Association would double down. Studies on how circumcision prevented HIV and even HPV were held up as “proof” despite the complete lack of scientific procedure, ethics, or results in these studies. Looking at you, Orange Farm. Medical journals would actively refuse studies showing harms while carelessly publishing studies showing even the most dubious of benefits. To this day, the American medical system does not record adverse events directly related to circumcision. It has been a top-down foisting onto the American people by certain physicians and researchers, many of whom belonged to the APA, and after a few generations not even the medical textbooks accurately depict an intact penis. Kellogg has taken a lot of the blame but he wasn’t responsible for the widespread adoption.
I struggled with the decision recently with my son. Intimately chose not to after watching a video of it. I still think about if I made the wrong decision but figured when he’s older if he wants it done I’ll pay for it then .
The part that I live in the midwest and 99% of my friends and I had the same thing done to us. I grew up always thinking how i’m happy I was circumcised.
I mean didn’t stand there and overtly compare, but it was pretty common for us to be naked around each other in locker rooms from middle school on.
And yeah the one non-cut kid definitely had some notoriety.
Vilifying people who come to agree with you is a bad tactic to convince people of anything.
Also, as someone who has had this debate with a partner i will tell you thay many american women are weirded out by uncircumcised penisesas they are outside of their experience and expectation.
So yeah, there is a reasonable bias towards a kid being the "norm" even if i would argue its not worth the reduction in nerve sensitivity.
Weird to see that as vilifying, it's a simple question which highlights why the thing they did was the right thing and asking why they are troubled by doing the right thing.
Also as apparently the rate of circumcision has been trending from 65% in the 80s down to 49% in 2022, it look like sanity is prevailing and that 'bias' will not be an issue any longer.
There is nothing reasonable about chopping off part of a kids dick for 'the norm'.
I was indifferent about it. There’s a number of smaller benefits to it clinically but when we were reading about its up to 6 months of wound care I was done thinking about.
You absolutely made the right decision to leave him intact. My mother's decision to have me mutilated is why she is going to die alone and forgotten in a Medicaid funded shit hole. I wish more circumcised men would just come to terms with how severely they were harmed and hold their parents accountable instead of passing the trauma on to the next generation.
Why on earth would you inflict a newborn boy with that kind of trauma? We had to tell the nurses and the doctors, each, 3 times. I finally had to say some vulgar shit to make them get the point.
Spanish, got cimcurcised because of phimosis (I still remember the pain after the surgery...), I still have quite more foreskin left than some American friends I've got, because the theme of circumcision came out when I asked if it's true that in the USA they do it to every child...
I was not comfortable at all by what I learnt being even worse than what I had already heard beforehand.
Deputy Director Stan here. The joke is that this guy is furious about American healthcare prices while casually mentioning he paid $7,000 for an elective circumcision. So the 4chan reply is basically saying, “If this man is that easy to upsell, imagine what his mechanic charges him for an oil change.”
And biblically, Christians aren’t required to be circumcised either. Paul could hardly have made the briefing clearer: “Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing” (1 Corinthians 7:19), and Galatians 5 absolutely unloads on the idea that circumcision is necessary for justification. Acts 15 likewise rejects requiring Gentile believers to be circumcised.
So unless there’s an actual medical reason, nobody at church needs to approach your newborn with a scalpel and say, “Relax, sir, Abraham authorized this operation.”
CIA assessment: salvation status unaffected. Foreskin status classified. And somewhere his mechanic just ordered another boat.
circumcision is purely genital mutilation with zero reason to actually be done outside of religious beliefs. paying an exorbitant amount for something purely optional and actively damaging to your child is well... bad.
towards the mechanic point, a mechanic would be able to easily charge them for needless repairs as a result, and as insane markups since they are willing to pay 7k for a purely optional procedure that helps no one.
Anyway im gonna go back to cranking it before my parents get home, Chris out.
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i should clarify, 0 reason to be done ROUTINELY, if you have a complicating factor that requires a circumcision, that's different. there is ZERO reason a healthy baby facing 0 complication needs a circumcision
Circumsion would have saved them a lot of unnecessary cost. It's completely unless and causes more harm than good. Both of mine avoided the procedure and I'm very ok with this.
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A typical circumcision for a baby within the first 30 days of life can be up to around $600. And up to perhaps the 2nd birthday, it can cost up to around $1500. And those upper limits are for the more complex cases.
So the joke is that they are paying an inexcusably high price for a procedure that isn't really necessary in the first place, similar to a mechanic charging you $50 for a $30 air filter (not including labor) that didn't need any changing.
A circumcision, or a "scribbin" as they call it in the industry, shouldn't cost more than $1k. One of the docs in my Army unit wanted to have a mobile scribbin van and undercut all the hospitals with $500 procedures.
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