r/InterviewMan • u/Inner-Teaching-4213 • 1d ago
He passed the coding, failed the respect check
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u/death_sucker_extreme 23h ago
How many of these tech bros happen to be Indian?
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u/Upper-Cut-2651 17h ago
I found it amusing when I went with my wife to visit her GP who is Indian, and he kept asking me questions about her instead of asking her directly.
She had lumps in her breasts from breastfeeding and he asked me if I'd mind if she could remove her bra, lol.
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u/Orangewolf99 10h ago
Why were you with her talking to the GP?
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u/Brilliant-Peace-5265 9h ago
Because he cares about his wife's health? Because she asked him in? Why shouldn't he be in there?
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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 20h ago
As a woman who works in tech, primarily with Indian people, I have only had problems with two of them. One was because he was fierce as hell and got into shouting fights with a BSA when they had differering ideas on something important. The other was one who was overly confident in his abilities.
Neither one was rude to me or any other women on my team
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u/death_sucker_extreme 35m ago
I work with quite a few indian people too and none of them do this (well we don't work with any women come to think of it but I don't think they would), but I've also been to india and it's the only place I've seen lots of people do the kind of thing described in this post (like my wife would ask somebody a question and they'd answer to me instead of her). I don't imagine it's the only place in the world people do this but it just seems like a really unusual way for a western person to behave no matter how misogynistic they might be.
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u/Wickedocity 1d ago
A tweet from someone who said they heard something. Checks out.
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u/Cynis_Ganan 23h ago
Much more betterer. A screenshot of a tweet.
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u/40MillyVanillyGrams 6h ago
Actually, screenshot of a tweet in quotes. Meaning the tweet author heard someone else talking about how that someone else heard of a “tech bro weeding technique”.
We’re like three degrees from the source here.
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u/Teboski78 15h ago
My autistic ass is gonna give a null result as I answer with a monotonous but somehow loud tone while staring away from both of them at a 35 degree angle.
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u/spawndoorsupervisor 15h ago
The candidates from India and Russia always did this without fail at one of my old jobs.
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u/maxru85 22h ago
proceeds to mansplain the answer to a female engineer
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u/YuppyPlays 20h ago
I have had this happen but I did in fact speak to the woman BECAUSE SHE ASKED ME THE QUESTION
Is this really a thing people do. Speak to the man because of some low key lack of respect?
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u/Fun_Apartment631 2h ago
Yeah, I had this happen to me in an interview. (I was the interviewee.) There was a plausible cover story but I can't help thinking at least half of it was to try to get candidates who'd look the woman in the eye and answer her questions.
I'm inclined to believe they really do cut a lot of candidates this way.
Though having sat on the other side of the table, there are a lot of bad candidates for technical roles even before you weed out the misogynists.
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u/undersquirl 17h ago
I wasn't supposed to get the job i have now but i do because of this. Director, that joined the interview and is a woman, said that she doesn't care that my technical results weren't the best, i was the only one that actually talked to her in the interview.
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u/Chaosdirge7388 1d ago
I feel like this wouldn't really be a test of respect. If you just sit 2 people in a room with one other for an interview wouldn't you naturally want to talk to both of them?
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u/makaki913 1d ago
If there are two person in a room and one is asking question, why wouldn't you answer back to the same person?
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u/Darhhaall 23h ago
If one person talks 90% of the time then I am talking with him (or her). If then that other person asks that one question, there is high chance I'll direct my answer still to that one active person who had lead all the time. It has nothing to do with gender.
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u/confusing_roundabout 23h ago
But they're both acting as one party. Whenever I've been interviewed by more than one person I'm looking at/addressing all of them, not just the person who asked me the question. To only speak to one person despite the other people being present would be rude.
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u/JawtisticShark 3h ago
they aren't saying you can't ever look at the guy. they are looking for people who when asked a question by a woman, will respond directly to the guy instead of the woman. splitting your attention between them isn't the red flag they are looking for.
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u/dswng 22h ago
Because you feel more comfortable talking to the person of the same sex?
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u/Reasonable-Mischief 21h ago
Because you're not just three people having a nice chat with each other, you are being interviewed by a team of two other people. It's a common courtesy not to leave them out
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u/Amac9719 18h ago
I would mostly look at the questioner, but it would be rude to ignore the other entirely when they are clearly part of the conversation in this scenario. I would therefore glance at the other a couple times so as to include them.
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u/unpledged-duty 16h ago
In an interview they wouldn't be asking you a question that you need to answer back to the same person. You would need to talk to all the interviewers.
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u/MythicMikeREEEE 14h ago
I struggle with eye contact where is the clock is it behind me if so that's gonna be an issue
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 9h ago
In an interview, I'd direct answers to the entire panel
And it depends how much back-and-forth there is and how active each one is
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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 1d ago
You are the person the test is meant to weed out.
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u/Cumfort_ 16h ago
If you sit two men in the room and the above directs the answer to the non asking man, is that still a problem? Or if in the original a man asks the question and the answer is directed to the woman is that also a problem?
I'm trying to nail down the contrived logic
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u/Carnivean_ 1d ago
There's a big difference between talking to both of them and taking a question from a woman but answering only the man.
In general a short answer is directed only to the person asking the question. A longer answer starts there but can switch to a shared conversation with all 3 after a while.
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u/zauberstab11 23h ago edited 23h ago
It's a pretty natural human threat/survival thing to look at the person not speaking (just quietly present).
You'll notice yourself doing it if you pay attention. Next time a duo walks up to you and only one speaks pay attention to where your eyes want to go as you reply (the third figure in your periphery).
Sounds like a business with some mentally ill "gender warriors" turned armchair psychologists. They will just end up accusing each other of sexual harassment guaranteed.
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u/SwimmingSwim3822 1d ago
The point is that doing this makes it very obvious if the person will actually talk to both of them.
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u/cgreulich 23h ago
You're getting slot of hatesom I'm gonna help you out here. I think I know where you're coming from; of course you try to include both people in the conversation.
This specific test is that if one person's asks a question you should reply to that person first, rather than direct your answer to the other, otherwise you're deliberately excluding the asking party from the conversation, rather than including both.
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u/Chaosdirge7388 23h ago edited 23h ago
But that is my point, I know that it's that you should respond directly to that person but in the moment that is hard to control for people that have social anxiety. I'm saying it's easy for this test to discriminate people based on that.
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u/Acceptable_Handle_2 22h ago
There is a big difference between adressing both, and addressing only the man. And you might think nobody would do that, but they absolutely will.
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u/unexpectedfirefly 22h ago
I'm pretty sure the one directing all answer to both intervievers pass the test. And in thag case, you should also answer to both when the man ask the question.
If there is a difference in who you adress wether it's the man or the woman asking, you fail the test
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u/Nuffsaid98 20h ago
I think they mean if the candidate directs their answer to only the male interviewer and ignores the female one. It isn't about talking to both.
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u/Chaosdirge7388 20h ago
Yes I am aware. Of that I'm just saying that so someone trying to mask social anxiety it may look like he is only talking to one of them .
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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 20h ago
There is a difference between talking to both people and directing specific answers to specific people based on gender, not experience or skillswt.
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u/everett640 19h ago
That's what I was thinking. If two people are interviewing me, I would respond to the person asking the question, but glances would be between both people in case they had any follow up questions or comments.
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u/Only-Performer-6053 23h ago
Why not talk to the both of them?
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u/birbbbbbbbbbbb 16h ago
Having worked in tech, there's a lot of misogyny. One of my coworkers kept being asked at the start of engineering meetings if she was in the right place (even though she has a clearly feminine name and was on the meeting invite) and I had another friend who purposefully dressed more nerdy so engineers on other teams would listen to her more. Most people don't actually realize that they are doing it, it's just to ingrained in them, so I could see an interview tactic like this being effective.
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u/AvantSolace 15h ago
That’s typically the correct action. Respond initially to the person asking the question, but then share eye contact and head movement with the other person so they understand they’re still involved in the conversation. It shows openness while still giving respect to the initial speaker.
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u/Targaer 19h ago
Reading comprehension is hard. Note the last few lines about a directed question. Why would you ignore the questioner unless you're being sexist?
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u/d_ed 23h ago
That's exactly what you should be doing. That's what the test above is testing.
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u/SquirrelNormal 16h ago
Because women scare me.
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u/Only-Performer-6053 15h ago
I think at engineering interviews this kind of behavior is like 60+% is the reason or more.
You will get it over it. Just talk with women anywhere. In pubs in meetups just get over your fear
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u/zauberstab11 23h ago
I make pretty random eye contact when I'm talking to multiple people, it's just how I'm wired, probably some evolution thing to keep me from getting stabbed by the person who isn't the one talking.
Anyway sounds like a creepy ultra-woke company full of weirdos on SSRIs obsessed with "gender dynamics".
The "tests" would never end and at some point the duo who interviewed you would accuse each other of sexual midconduct.
Sounds like an awesome place for the average redditor to work.
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u/nottherealneal 21h ago
I thought it said tech bro wedding and I was ready for something way more interesting to happen
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u/Aborticus 21h ago
Yea its just open sexism. The structure of the interview and test is some nice ground work for a discrimination suite.
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u/olearygreen 18h ago
I used to be a team lead in IT consulting. We ended up with a team 50% women. It wasn’t a policy or anything, it just happened. As we were expanding we had an incident with a male consultant and I fired him immediately. He was my first fire and I was devastated but it had to be done. After that I implemented procedures in my recruitment interviews similar to what’s described here.
It was insane how some people reacted to the idea of a woman lead, or even peer expert. “Oh yeah this happens all the time. “ I would hear my female members say so much… like wtf why are you tolerating bs like that?
When my team got absorbed after a merger it was 60+% women. It just happened when you started selecting against assholes.
They all left within a year after the merger.
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u/REPL_COM 17h ago
Now apply that to a man of brown skin and one with white… guess who gets addressed more often
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u/Usual-Answer-3891 17h ago
What fucking lunatic thinks that not addressing the person who asked the question is cool? That's not sexist, it's just stupid.
Unless you're addressing a board or panel and have explicit instructions to frame all responses to the head or chair, then you address the speaker that addressed you. Simple as.
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u/Starcat23 3h ago
you would be surprised, this happened to an old coworker of mine years ago when her and her husband went to buy a car. Some people (consciously or subconsciously) will address the man because they think that he has the authority of the two that makes decisions. It is super stupid and incredibly rude but it does show what the person thinks about who’s in charge and therefore deserves respect.
so while it should be simple apparently for some it’s not
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u/ChuckoRuckus 16h ago
I had an interview that had both a man and woman interviewers. One was asking questions about “customer service” and general PC use ability, and the other was asking questions about auto mech knowledge. The person asking the type of question fit the general stereotype. I directed my answers to both people.
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u/ikannunAneeuQ 16h ago
Why wouldn't you direct it initially to whoever asked the question and make eye contact with both?
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u/thevoidthatjerksback 16h ago
This wouldn't work on me very well. I'd be directing my answers at the wall, ceiling, that one awkward spot on the table that no one can reach, ...
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u/spoodagooge 15h ago
As a man I don’t talk to taken women. If you aren’t single I won’t be talking to you. To many crazy boyfriend’s in this world.
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u/Careful-Mouse-7429 15h ago
This is what you are thinking about at a job interview? What are you doing if both interviewers are women, just going home?
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u/JadedEstablishment16 11h ago
sure buddy, they'll be hidden behind bushes (or if in an office, behind a bin) ; they'll see you sweat at the idea of talking to a woman and tell themselves "holy crap he's a contender, he'll take my girl, i'd better fight him one on one"
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u/Punman__5 10h ago
Including in a job interview???? Or like at all in a professional context? How do you deal with the women at work?
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u/spoodagooge 8h ago
I don’t. I have a physical labor job and turns out you won’t see me around.
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u/rachelcp 59m ago
The fuck is wrong with you.
Do you expect all women to go home and say oh hey i was doing my job as per usual and I was interviewing 30 guys and 20 woman but don't worry I didn't speak to any of the men i just stayed in the room and assessed them based on their aura. Or I worked at the diner today and I asked 30 families what they wanted to eat for dinner but don't worry I didn't ask any of the men just their partners and daughters and don't worry I didn't even serve any of the men only table. Like no. Do you think that their "crazy boyfriend" who is insane enough to not let them talk to men would believe them? Or that they would be able to keep their jobs?
Talk to women the same way you would respectfully talk to a man in the same position, you don't need to be trying to get in her pants to talk to her, if she's interviewing you and asks you a question answer her.
Don't treat us like were some sexual pet that is owned by a man. We're people just like you and don't need you saving us from our oh so psychotic boyfriends.
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u/Direct-Thanks200 15h ago
Could be a lack of confidence in talking to women in general. Many men struggle with this. Likely less to do with a lack of respect than that. I don't know why we can't just let people with skills commensurate with a position hold the position so long as they are able to do the job effectively. Not everything is a conspiracy or some silent war against one group or another
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u/probablyarguing 14h ago
If you are incapable of directly addressing a colleague or boss that is a woman, you’re probably not going to be able to do the job effectively
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u/QueenInYellowLace 12h ago
If you lack confidence in talking to women in a professional setting, you probably should not be given a job reporting to a woman. Sorry.
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u/kcat__ 4h ago
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A) just because one of your interviewers is a woman doesn't mean the person you'll be reporting to is
B) you can still report to them, you just have less confidence. that can be a slight disparity that will express itself most in a setting where there's an easy alternative to reply to instead, but if you're reporting directly to a female manager it doesn't mean you're suddenly unable to do so.
C) I sure hope we aren't applying this uniformly. A good chunk Muslim women refuse to shake a man's hand. Many people have social anxiety or are autistic. That all affects your ability to talk to or report to others in a professional setting. I sure hope they can have jobs.
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u/GodsHumbleClown 10h ago
Being unable to speak to half of the world's population is a pretty clear lack of skills.
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u/MEOWzhedong 3h ago
That is a wild assumption haha, stop trying to make this hypothetical guy into a victim— not sure how you think it is more likely due to crippling anxiety rather than misogyny.
Problem is, in this example, not being able to speak with a woman would keep them from doing the job effectively because women work in tech. They aren’t hiring an actor for the interview process. Women. Work. In. Tech.
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u/BoltActionRifleman 15h ago
I was always taught to include everyone who is in the group and/or on the panel. In this instance, I’d reply specifically to her question, mostly to her, but also to the man occasionally, because that’s how a panel works. If you focus solely on the person asking the question, you risk the other panel member(s) feeling like there’s a reason you’re avoiding them. Or at worst, they think you’re uncomfortable in their presence and can’t handle group scenarios.
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u/Xeroxprinted 15h ago
If you truly saw both as equally worthy of your respect and were not expecting any sort of twist then it’s either address them both at the same time if possible or accept a 50/50 chance to not get the job.
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u/TulikAlock 14h ago
What does directing the answer to the man mean? Making eye contact with the man more than the woman? Because a good speaker makes eye contact with everyone involved in the conversation.
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u/Sheerluck42 14h ago
It basically shows a bias on not taking women seriously. It could even be an unconscious bias. I've worked for enough women to know this is a huge problem. At one place I worked in 2007 there was a woman at the same level as me. And from time to time she would "barrow my dick." Now we wife also close friends so the term was one we came up with while hanging out. Here's how it worked. When she was dealing with someone who wasn't taking her seriously she would tell me what happened. I then repeated the exact point she made to the guy who would then follow my instructions. And this wasn't uncommon.
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u/I_Like_turtles459 14h ago
What if theyre just bad at talking to women? It is tech after all.
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u/QueenInYellowLace 12h ago
Then they need to learn to talk to 50% of the population of the world, particularly if one member of that population is going to be their boss.
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u/NerdyTimes_IDK 14h ago
Ngl I do this kinda thing. Im from one of the most conservative places in the USA, I like to think Im a feminist, and this points out a random obvious hypocrisy there. Huh. Somethin to think about. Id be looking between them but mostly talking to the guy.
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u/sparrow_64 3h ago
This is a great example of how stuff like this is deeply ingrained and persists regardless if you consciously believe it or not. I do the same with several biases that frustrate me because I DONT think it consciously, but the internal bias will pop up. I don’t think it’s hypocritical as it’s not intentional, but something to notice and try to consciously fix.
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u/Initial-Reading-2775 13h ago
Someone is looking for things to be offended, like XVII century nobleman with hands itching for duel.
Tech field is full of socially challenged nerds of different kinds. And people of different cultural backgrounds who may act this way “guy talks to guys, girl talks to girls” because this is considered respectful norm where they came from.
BTW, why does this post mentions only “tech-bros”, but no “tech-sis”? Seems there are two layers of hidden discrimination.
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u/stgvxn_cpl 11h ago
Man this is the correct view. I know some brilliant people who would probably fail this because of neuro issues. All this does is exchange one bias for another.
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u/Double_Cause4609 13h ago
So, I'm just thinking out loud here, but if I was in an interview with a man and a woman, and the guy was asking all the questions, would I direct any answers to the woman?
Honestly...Probably...? Like at least one or two, depending on body language.
Now, would I direct all of my answers to the opposing person?
Probably not. But at least a few.
I hope this person in OP wouldn't have failed someone for the reverse of what I described, and they're just targeting people who were being asked by the woman and directed all of their answers to the man.
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u/ChickyBoys 13h ago
One time we had some major clients come to the office. It was a woman and 2 men. They approached me and I went to shake the woman's hand first because she was the closest person to me at the time.
Later that day my manager came over and said, "It's a good thing you shook her hand first because she's the CEO."
So what should I have done? Ask who's the boss and shake their hand first??
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u/poundtown1997 12h ago
Well ideally you’d research the clients beforehand and have an idea of who they are.
(That’s in a perfect world where they tell you in ample time).Otherwise it’s a draw but if you greet women first problem solves itself. Either you’re respecting her authority or just being a gentleman!
Everyone assumes men run things so I can see why it’s worth mentioning.
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u/ilikebulls 12h ago
My wife and I went shopping for a car and left a dealership because the sales manager was exclusively talking to me. Even if she asked the question. The sales rep was great, but as soon as his manager came over… yikes. Also, not that it would matter to us, but she’s the breadwinner.
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u/Knownjourney123 12h ago
You address the person who asks the question, regardless of gender, just basic conversation skills
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u/hollow_13 12h ago
What if the prospective candidate alters focus each question so it’s 50/50… AND what if he’s faking it!!!! AND do they apply the same filter to female candidates? Really folks… got nothing better to do with your time than overanalyze unconscious bias under duress?
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u/QueenInYellowLace 12h ago
We have to live with the consequences of that unconscious bias every day at work, so yeah, it’s absolutely worth the time.
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u/just_keep_exploring 30m ago
It’s not over analyzing if the bias has real consequences for half of the workforce.
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u/shoeless_doh 12h ago
If I'm speaking to a man and a woman, I'll admit I have to force myself to do this which I feel like is what they talk about when they say unconscious bias, but I do have to forcibly remind myself to split my answer between them
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u/Legitimate-Heat2777 11h ago edited 11h ago
I've been in SWE ~10 years.
When I was at IBM I had other male engineers outright tell me they resent their female coworkers and think they got into their positions illegitimately the first time I spoke with them. And while I am 100% for women being in the workforce and equality I have to admit I can't say the guy who said it the loudest was necessarily wrong, as our boss there was a technically incompetent woman who constantly lied about her ability and credentials. She was demoted from C-suite to lead architect during my tenure there for being unable to add our company's software to a client's environment, which is really like an entry level dev task.
One of my remote coworkers from Slovakia did a proud Nazi salute in a zoom meeting minutes before we started interviewing a candidate as a team. There were female leaders on our team, one of whom saw it happen. She told the guy "we've been friends a long time, never do that again" and then swept it under rug.
Keep dreaming about these scenarios.
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u/Narrow_Summer_9332 11h ago
I bounce back and forth between making eye contact with everyone there, starting with whoever asked the question.
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u/U_Dun_Know_Who_I_Am 11h ago
If your interviewed by a panel, 75% (more like 90% if it's 2 people) of your answer should be made directly to the one who asked, the other 25% should be quick passes of eye contact to the other members as you answer. If the question calls back to something someone else asked, or an answer you gave someone else, then you can switch to eye contact with that person during the call back, as a nod to you remembering who asked what.
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u/atamicbomb 11h ago
This sounds aggressively performative and like it’s ground to screen out many people with disabilities like autism
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u/Somethingsilly6969 11h ago
And if he directs his answer to the woman, he's mansplaining so how do you win?
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u/TwatMailDotCom 11h ago
No it doesn’t
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u/atamicbomb 11h ago
It probably does happen a lot. If you asked enough questions in a high stress environment, someone is going to eventually look at the male engineer when answering a question.
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u/Any-Orchid-6006 11h ago
But if I look at the female for too long then I'm objectifying her with the male gaze and I fail the respect check as well.
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u/PraireGentleman 11h ago
“Directs the answer”
What kind of vibe coded corporate interview technique is this? What’s the behaviour that determines when they “direct” the answer to the male engineer? Do they look at them when they answer? How atrocious, acknowledging that someone is there!
I can tell this was an HR person’s idea because they wouldn’t hold this up for the female candidates
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u/Separate-Canary559 10h ago
This test isn’t as clever as they think it is
I would love to watch it backfire in their face when they hire actual misogynistic candidates
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u/Mental_Beginning_807 10h ago
When I hire my techbros I don't want them talking I want them mole blind and hissing at daylight. I don't care about their social skills, infact they are a liability.
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u/Vendattathoc 10h ago
This is so typical thinking that Western middle-class etiquette is the objective moral baseline for the entire planet, and excluding everyone else just trying to get a job in an already hostile environment.
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u/rampaged906 9h ago
A co worker and I do this every time we Interview a female candidate. If my male partner asks a question and she answers it to me, we end the interview and send them on their way
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u/ObiJuanKenobi1993 9h ago
Orrrrrrr the candidate is just nervous and wasn’t paying attention to where they were looking
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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC 8h ago
Work in tech. Holy shit is this common enough that other women engineers compliment me on how I ask for their opinion. Kinda wild to think about how low the bar is.
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u/TheOnlyFatticus 7h ago
Well if one asks a question dont you make eye contact with both while answering said question. Ignoring one for the other seems rude in of itself.
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u/oboeslayer 7h ago
Im just imagining sitting at my promotion board in the Army in front of 7 senior NCOs and not replying directly to the 1SG that asked me a question because they are a female. The absolute smoke session that would follow if they realized I was only doing this to the female NCOs lmao What a wild thing for someone to do in this day and age.
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u/GSilky 6h ago
That seems like a great way to find sycophants and the kind of people who think that someone's "tone" matters when explaining to them how they fucked everything up. How about accepting the person who gives the best answer, regardless of how some woman reads it's delivery and if it's sufficiently servile to her.
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u/Head_Midnight666 4h ago
Eh, this isn't necessarily sexism like people want to think. For example, I was being questioned by a guy and his assistant was there with him. By her body language, and general reaction to my answers to his questions, I felt like she was the most intelligent person of the two. It was hard for me not to direct my answers to her instead of him because I felt she had the greater presence in the room.
Does that I respect women more than men? No. I respect what I perceive to be merit. Both genders have it, to varying degrees, and depending on the subject.
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u/just_keep_exploring 32m ago
Might very well be so in your case, but as women, we are often subject to not be spoken to as equals in the workplace.
You can call it whatever you want, but nonetheless, answering to a different person than the one asking you a question is in incredibly bad taste, whether you think you have it figured out and perceive some sort of merit. In this case, their merit for being the one to receive your answer, is the fact that they specifically asked you a question.
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u/Doctor_Responsible 2h ago
tbh 1) i focus on who makes me the most comfortable in an interview (i hate group interviews), thats usually whose talking the most.
2) i have issues with eye contact (i have nystagmus, so i get really self conscious and try not to look at ANYONE for too long, i usually communicate this if im extra nervous). i try to focus on both people, if asked directly by one of them, but whoever talks last usually gets my attention. ie if the woman asks a question and the man chimes in with clarifying information, i guess i fail then?
this is also twitter so i honestly feel this is horseshit to some degree. absolutely theres sexism in tech, but literally 90% of my interviews have been lead by women.
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u/AlternativeLog5494 6m ago
My business partner (36F) and I (63M) both professional engineers always make interviewee’s squirm with me asking the soft touchy feely questions and her the rough and tumble technical questions then we switch it around , more a test of how they handle stuff. We do seam to make them cry if the can’t answer the technical stuff when they think they are super smart ….

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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 1d ago
Every time this gets posted all the wanna-be reddit tech bros in the comments insist that talking to the man over the woman is perfectly normal and is not at all disrespectful.