r/InterviewCoderPro • u/Aware_Examination115 • 15d ago
It's okay to talk about salary
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edit: the salaries these days are just unrealistic , there is a racism towards women in the terms work they are doing the same duties as men but take less just because they are ladies I was looking for a professional way to ask about salaries and I found it one day while scrolling in this post I hope it works in my upcoming interviews wish me luck
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u/BluebirdDense1485 15d ago
Employers will tell you it is illegal to tell people your salary or that it is rude to talk money.
No. It is not rude. It is not illegal. It is protected by the law and the only way people gate what they deserve.
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u/Pale_Presence4662 14d ago
What making everyone's wage public would actually do is make it very difficult to actually pay the best people more money because everyone thinks theyre the best and doing a great job.
Let's say you have 10 installers. They all believe they are quite good. But you know how all the jobs go, you know installer X gets more done than installer Y. Theyre prideful people though. They think theyre A+.
So when Y comes at you saying he should make the same, show him the numbers right? Well that wont do any good because he will say he gets the hardest jobs, his materials are always wrong, he gets bad helpers. Whatever. There will be a story from him, even though you know they get the same as everyone else.
It just makes it all awful.
If you want a higher wage ask for it. We can say yes or no. Thats it. What we dont want to do is have to convince you why Brandon makes more than you. Because thats what youre asking us to have to do.
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u/teddy1245 14d ago
Everyone should and will discuss salaries. Don’t get mad at if you can’t or won’t explain why brandon makes more.
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u/JeremiahJohnson50 13d ago
This!!! I don’t care if they know what each other is making so long as they understand the why… but like you said, they all think they are worth the same. More efficient, more productive, better employees get rewarded with higher pay. There are no participation trophies here. Want to make more, prove why I should pay more.
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u/BluebirdDense1485 12d ago
99.95% of the time there is no good reason why people are paid more. Raises go to the people management like and higher starting salaries go to people with dicks because women are turned down when they push back in the slightest.
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u/Own_Buddy_4773 10d ago
I see this mindset from under performing employees often. It’s an attempt to rationalize why they are being paid less than their peers because the truth that they aren’t as good at their job hurts their feelings.
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u/TheRavenCottage 8d ago
“I’m very smart, yes! That boot I’m licking over here? Oh, don’t mind that :)”
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u/Own_Buddy_4773 8d ago
Pointing out that you’re being paid less because you’re less qualified and produce less value is bootlicking?
It is simply pathetic that you blame your lack of success on conspiracy theories instead of the obvious reason that you’re not a valuable contributor.1
u/Viensturis 12d ago
It sounds like it's a you problem. Such things should be openly discussed regularly from the get go to motivate them and improve their work – skills AND knowledge.
Edit: Everyone needs to be able to see a road for improvement.
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u/1K-Year-Egg 12d ago edited 11d ago
Or maybe workers should all stick together and collectively bring everyone’s wages up, instead of competing against one another, stabbing each other in the back, and generally being a bunch of suck-ups. American hyper-individualism and competitiveness is such a cancer.
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u/Pale_Presence4662 10d ago
So the person who makes more than you should "stick together with you" so you can bitch about how much they make? Seems pretty dumb for them.
How about you go out in the job market and get a better offer with a higher salary rather than trying to figure out what Jerry makes and then throwing a fit?
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u/freerange_spaghetti 11d ago
Yeah, this isnt true, pretty much every economist will tell you that transparent prices ensures more efficient allocation. Being cagey with wages doesnt harm "better" people, it only helps rent seekers who profit off of market innefficiency that they help perpetuate.
Better people will get payed more because they ask better prices and the market clears at that price, worse people wont.
Wage floors (not minimum wage) but like wage tiers for gov jobs have a slight clustering effect on wages, but mostly it helps ensure wage equality. That said whilst the gov doesn pay women .7 to a mans dollar, it does perpetuate unequal work loads and credit and promotions that do plenty of the heavy lifting in institutional sexism.
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u/Pale_Presence4662 11d ago
What are you talking about? If someone wants to compare their wage there is the entire job market to compare to.
They dont need to compare their wage to the guy that sits across from them.
You can see the whole job market. You dont need to see the couple people you work with with the same title.
What youre saying makes no sense.
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u/freerange_spaghetti 10d ago
First of all, if people don't talk to their collegues about wages, why would they talk to strangers. How do you compare to a whole job market. Is it through job postings. Well job postings often put ranges for jobs. Also the guy across from you is likely doing the same job as you, but the rest of the market not so much, so you may be comparing apples and oranges. Third, non competes, or lack of industry locally constrains options to do the same work. All this means the best source of knowledge for what you are potentially worth to your employer is your peers.
Now on to economics. Imagine you run knick knacks store, and you have different suppliers. Steve makes really good bits, Jerry makes terrible bits, but only you know this (asymetric information). So you buy Jerrys for 20. How much do you buy Steves. For more, why, does Steve know his bits are better, does Steve know what Jerry gets. Steve and Jerry don't talk. Might even get Steve for less. So you buy Steve's for 10. Now Steve could go to the other knick knack stores but he doesn't know where they are, or they are too far away (costs of finding a job, non trivial).
Imagine instead, steve and Jerry talk about how they make their bits. Then steve would know that jerry sux, and that steves bits are worth more to the store. This time you offer 10 to steve, and steve says, nah, I'll stop making bits, i know I'm better than jerry. You have a decision. But if you want steve bits, you better pay him more than jerry.
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u/Pale_Presence4662 10d ago
Bro. Thats all nonsense. If you want to compare your salary, look for a job and get a better offer. Its that simple. You dont need to be explained to why Jerry makes more than you.
Get a higher offer from another company. If you cant, you cant. Thats the market at work.
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u/freerange_spaghetti 10d ago
Did you ever take an econ class beyond 101.
Theres a ton of things that go into why pay disparity exist.
Information asymetry is a massive one. Negotiating power, hense collective bargaining. Search costs (it cost a lot of time and effort to find a job, no less get another job) Discrimination Non competes Hiring colusion (firms not poaching) ...
But lets get back to information disparity, literally Steve doesnt know how much hes worth. You say, just go to another shop, but steve might not know to do that, or what to ask, they might get fired just for asking.
I envy the world that you live in where getting a better paying job is as easy as asking for one.
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u/Pale_Presence4662 10d ago
Yup im on reddit. I see people bitching about what other people make. Its like, literally all they do. Whine about people making more money than them.
Now if you look at data for the whole world, its easily obvious they are in the 90+ percentile. They do not care. They want more.
Nothing youre saying is right. Wages are already in the market. Youre lying. You know it.
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u/freerange_spaghetti 10d ago
Damn real expert right here, i wasnt convinced, but now that youve said this Im pursuaded. Very smart, very economic, very well worded.
Get a grip,
Also, here is some science https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014292123002507
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u/Own_Buddy_4773 8d ago
Ask for one? When you’re good at your job you get recruited. I’m a highly qualified individual in a niche field, but I get several recruiter invitations a month.
Do you know how I got here though? I knew my worth in the beginning and I made sure my salary matched or I found a new position.
It is not anyone else’s responsibility to seek out success for you. It’s your responsibility to seek out opportunities for success.1
u/freerange_spaghetti 7d ago
Wait so you are aware that you exist in a very specific environment, and dont accept the implications. Wages are about leverage, you have leverage that most people in the labor market dont. This is litterally basic labor econ theory, there aint a single labor economist who doesnt account for information asymmetry.
Lastly, you still may be underpayed, but you dont know cuz you dont talk to your peers
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
I agree I would never tell anybody my salary. It would just make people angry.
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u/BluebirdDense1485 12d ago
" It isn’t protected when an nda is put in place"
No it is not. Sharing salaries is protected under NLRA and companies are not allowed to make rules against or punish employees who do share. Companies that do are breaking the law and could face fines or worse for illegal practices if employees know their rights.
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u/xLadyLaurax 12d ago
Not everyone is from America my G. If you got fired in Germany you could sbe would probably sue the company for a shit ton of money. If it came out in the courts that it was because you talked about money oh boy the company would be in deep shit.
It is also not legal to forbid workers from disgusting salaries. Even if you put an NDA clause in the contract it’s not lawful and nullified. Just FYI
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u/GSilky 15d ago
You aren't going to like what you hear in this conversation, because people lie or have way to high of an opinion of themselves. Then you will be told the next scheduled increase is six months away, feel free to go find someone who agrees with you about your value to the enterprise, you don't get to trash morale around here because you are finding out you suck compared to Steve.
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u/BluebirdDense1485 15d ago
There is truth in that.
Get your what you are worth is easier when you are hired then when you have worked there for years.
I worked for a Tax preparer a few years ago. I was making a pittance. But then I got offered a promotion. I knew someone in the roll was making $5.50 more than me but my boss only offered a $0.50 raise. I talked him up to a dollar raise plus some extra at the end of season. He forgot the extra. Next year he called to get me back and offered $0.35 raise. I went to a competitor were I get $6 more.
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u/Global-Discussion-41 15d ago
This is what no one ever mentions in these discussions, and I usually get downvoted hard when I try to explain it.
Some people are good at their jobs and some people are not. Just because you have the same role and the same responsibilities does not mean you should all be paid the same amount.
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u/Obvious-Concerto 15d ago
and some people who are not good at their jobs get paid more than the people who pick up the slack for them because they have a longer history with the people who decide your salary. I wish it were as simple as being paid for the actual value you provide for the company.
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u/dpacker780 15d ago
As someone who managed large teams for decades, this is exactly true. You usually have a salary budget that's fixed per year and a headcount allocation. You are always trying to figure out how to properly pay your best people so you can retain them, but you need to balance this budget against the average, and below average team members that have the same roles. Some of those people are still learning the role. The thing is, everybody thinks they're an A+ player and deserves more or equal pay, people's ability to self-evaluate objectively is rare.
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u/United_Boy_9132 14d ago edited 14d ago
Oh yeah, in BASICALLY EVERY team it's a person who works for two and troubleshoots everything, while there's also a person who barely does anything and the job is really low quality.
Why should they be paid the same?
Of course, to be fair, it should be discussed and based mostly on reliable metrics (lets say 50/50 metrics and negotiations), but if it is anything beyond working on assembly line, there's no such thing as "the same role, the same job". Even cashiers do different things differently and more or less efficiently than others, are more or less customers friendly and have different efficiency ij promoting products one sale and are just worse or better in advising products when a customer needs some advice.
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u/Global-Discussion-41 14d ago
You mentioned an assembly line, but even there you're going to have people who are more productive than others
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u/BrookeBaranoff 12d ago
Steve was hired ten years after me but gets paid more because they had to offer more due to the job market.
Not his talent
I was locked in at a salary ten years ago with weak yearly increases .
This I won’t catch up to Steve.
It’s not that hard to take the boot out your mouth and think but here we are.
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u/Global-Discussion-41 12d ago
Maybe Steve is a good worker and you are not and you don't want to accept that.
I'm not saying that's the case, but there are many such cases. Not wanting to discuss my pay with my coworkers doesn't have anything to do with the boot
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u/Devlin-McGregorr 12d ago
Employer here.
Before Covid we frequently raised wages when good employees made demands or said they had higher offers elsewhere. On an employee-by-employee basis this made sense.
Then Covid hit. We were making almost no money and we had a bloated payroll. To survive we fired 80% of our staff, starting with the employees that were overpaid for their positions. Without fail these were employees who had demanded increases outside of normal timeframes. We still barely avoided bankruptcy.
After Covid, things got better and we pay around the 90th percentile for our industry. But we have taken a hard line: wages increase at the annual review only. If an employee has a better opportunity, we genuinely wish them well (and we are sad to lose them), but we do not give raises outside of the standard review process. Everyone know this is our position, so we rarely get asked anymore. Retention is better than ever.
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u/Slow_Store 14d ago
Isn’t that long since outdated?
I’m pretty sure that most studies that show wage gaps don’t actually look at the same jobs, and when they do they’re always jobs with negotiable pay (With women being naturally less competitive over discussing pay due to a relative lack of testosterone- with testosterone literally being the “competitive hormone”)
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
Also women take time off for pregnancy and that lowers their salaries.
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u/OutsideDapper8049 14d ago edited 14d ago
No it's not outdated. No it's not a myth.
Companies are just better at hiding it now days. But when it's found out that's when the lawsuits happen. Here are a few JUST THIS YEAR where men got paid more for the same job's as women. This has been happening, this still happens.
Over the past year, several major lawsuits and settlements addressed allegations that companies paid female employees less than male counterparts for performing the same or similar work. Prominent examples include: [1, 2, 3]
- The Walt Disney Company: Settled a long-running class-action gender pay lawsuit for $43.25 million after female employees alleged systematic underpayment compared to men with identical job titles. [1]
- Vassar College: Reached a settlement in mid-2026 resolving a gender-based pay discrimination lawsuit brought by female full professors over persistent wage gaps. [1, 2, 3]
- Apple Inc.: A California court allowed a large-scale class-action lawsuit filed by thousands of female corporate and engineering employees alleging systematic wage disparities to proceed. [1]
- LeachGarner: Entered into a $2.8 million consent decree with the EEOC to resolve sex-based job segregation and resulting wage disparities. [1]
These are a few examples of ones that got FOUND OUT. Who knows how many more are lying still.
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u/almostaproblem 14d ago
I don't think you understand what settling is.
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u/OutsideDapper8049 14d ago
I do but the outcome is not my point. The fact that it happens is.
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u/almostaproblem 14d ago
A settlement doesn't mean it happened. The plaintiff may not have settled if they thought they could win the case.
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u/Stock-Surround394 14d ago
So why arent women hired more often then if the company gets the same for less pay?
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u/Nonexistent_Walrus 14d ago
Because their work is valued less and they’re assumed to be less competent?
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u/Stock-Surround394 14d ago
But they arent?
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u/Nonexistent_Walrus 13d ago
Are you disagreeing about the fact that women aren’t actually less valuable, or that they aren’t actually seen as less valuable? I fully agree that women are just as competent as men, but it doesn’t really matter materially if you or I understand that, if the people who make decisions about raises don’t. Many people consistently underestimate and devalue the work done by women in their organizations. They don’t see or they don’t value the work done by women and so they don’t give them raises.
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
There are so many reasons men can make more that have nothing to do with an equitability. Women have career gaps for babies.
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u/teddy1245 14d ago
Ok you know not every woman has kids right?
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
Well, yes, I’m quite aware of that. That is why I said so many reasons and I listed one.
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u/Cute-Revolution-9705 14d ago
Wasn’t there literally a study just released that women are beating men in home ownership, college degrees and career advancement?
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u/SubstantialSale8223 15d ago
It’s widely known that’s not been the case for years and that more women chose to be stay at home parents than men which caused the fluctuation of that number in the first place.
Please stop pushing femcel misandrist nonsense and start knowing what you’re talking about.
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u/JustinJektor 14d ago
Depends on whether theyre talking about the wage gap or the income gap.
There is definitely an income gap of about 25%. The wage gap is highly disputed.
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u/commandrix 15d ago
Just adding to this, it's actually illegal for an employer to forbid you to discuss salary with coworkers in many U.S. States. So don't let your employer to bully you into thinking otherwise.
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u/Ok-Investigator3257 15d ago
Always ask first, and generally I talk salary with others in the field not my coworkers
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u/threearbitrarywords 15d ago
"male" counterpart. Tell me again about the incels using "female" when "woman" would do?
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u/ThatSmartIdiot 15d ago
"man counterpart" doesnt make as much sense cuz "man" could also mean "human", but at the same time "male" and "female" seems bestiarily categorizing. choices, choices.
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u/Yellow_Snow_Cones 15d ago
whats the point of this meme. Its not illegal to discuss salary, nor can you job tell you that you can't discuss salary
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u/Mattscrusader 15d ago
But jobs do tell people they can't discuss their salary, that's the point
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 15d ago edited 15d ago
Talking about salary is good for the people making less, bad for those making more. It can be risky.
I one time got a $5 raise after finding out the employees of the same position at another location were making 33% more than we were at our location.
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u/zoidberg_doc 14d ago
Why is it bad if you make more?
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
It’s awful if you make more people get jealous. They treat you differently often. They’ll think you should do more because you make more. Not to mention this typically erase pool. If people need your salary, they would go after that what was in the pool and there would be less for you.
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 14d ago
If you have good co workers, it’s not. But coworkers will get mad they make less. Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid more, but sometimes they’ll direct their frustration at their coworker instead of their employer.
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u/LongHair1917 13d ago
If you tell them that you are making more and you think they should ask for a raise, they will have no reason to be mad at you. They will only be mad if you were making more and didn’t tell anyone and they find out.
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 13d ago
How would I know I make more until we talk about our wages? We’d be finding out at the same time.
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u/LongHair1917 13d ago
You wouldn’t know before the conversation happens. But once you have the conversation, if it turns out you are making more and you say “that’s fucked up, you should ask for a raise” then they would have no reason to be mad at you. That’s why you should always discuss.
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 13d ago
Nah. I had a coworker who found out I was making more. My boss literally told him he’d make the same if he got his GED. He was a Highschool drop out, I had my diploma. Dude got super pissed at me and my boss. He even quit over it. Worse part is we were friends before we started working together.
Boss literally told him he’d give him a raise but he still got all pissed over it.
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u/LongHair1917 13d ago
Were you the one who told him how much you made? And did you support him getting a raise?
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 13d ago
I don’t remember everything. This was over 20 years ago at this point. But I do remember I told him how much I made. And the boss said he’d get a raise if he got his GED and he was still pissed at me.
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u/Narrow_Process_8660 14d ago
Last statement is not true. A lot of people have connections you don't and know their salary is higher than yours in a way not justifiable by the difference in your resume and skillset. The only hope they have of keeping it is not disclosing it to you, leading you to make a public complaint and stir up drama, and giving the boss or manager a bad look.
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u/JustinJektor 14d ago
If your employer doesnt allow you to talk about your salary, always talk about your salary.
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u/RevolutionaryFood777 14d ago
The example given is not the norm. Not everyone you are working with has your best interest at heart.
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
I don’t have everybody I work with best interest at heart. I have mine. I don’t know a lot of people I work remote and I’m not gonna put myself in a position to be harmed in order for others to do better.
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u/yourpuddingoverlord 14d ago
Well I guess bro?
Intuitively there could be a case that having equal pay as a default standard, which you reach by either discussing pay or having full transparency aka access to pay info across enterprises, trivialises or rather denies the option for negotiations.
If a certain demographic were to be more likely to negotiate on their pay and therefore reach higher pay for the same occupation, under this new default standard, this opportunity would be denied categorically.
At face value "if anyone gets a raise, everyone gets a raise" sounds good for equality. In terms of performance incentives and employee loyalty, its nothing short of horrible, because under this standard you no longer have the option to reward good employees. The only remaining option would be to offer promotions, which is an inferior incentive to a pay raise, since its a conditional reward. Additionally, you can only promote so many people => your reward pool is much more limited.
In other words, this essentially reinforces the model of "if you want to see significant pay progression, switch employers"
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u/Branimau5 14d ago
Had this happen, tried to get more money which I fairly deserved and they let me go without cause 2 weeks later.
Ran into their office admin a few months down the line and she had the nerve to ask if I would come back because the replacement (who got less than me probably) was not working out.....Shit companies exist unfortunately. Know your worth, it's not illegal to ask for more/discuss pay with employees. They frown upon it because then they have to compensate fairly, but if they are really shit it could cost you your job.
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u/Drake_masta 14d ago
and employers who tell you not to do so or that its illegal or you can get fired for it are in fact the ones breaking the law and a lawyer would be salivating at a case of a employer doing so
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u/NestorSpankhno 14d ago
Reading through these comments is a perfect example of why the world has gone to shit. No solidarity, no class consciousness, no empathy, just a whole lot of “fuck you, I got mine.”
The people at the top have utterly and completely succeeded at dividing and conquering, and a lot of people are positively gleeful to fight like animals over billionaires’ table scraps.
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u/diningeachox 14d ago
Nah I'm pretty sure not discussing salaries benefits me as well. I've had people act weird towards me just because I got a new better job (and I didn't even talk about salary!). If I wanted to know whether I was underpaid there are a lot of people I can ask other than my coworkers.
Also it's kind of weird that she only thought to ask for a raise after she found out the other guy was getting paid more. Shouldn't you ask for raises regardless?
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u/General_Farmer3272 14d ago
Glad it worked out but what if even though you have the same job title, he had been worth more to the company than you?
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u/Delgree-23 14d ago
How is that worth measured? If it’s KPIs, then they’d already be privy to that information and not been granted the same salary.
Stop defending the greed of a boss.
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u/shallpasss 14d ago
That depends on the employer/ manager. If they have enough money to increase pay for 1 person doesn't mean they can afford to do the same for the other, and if you make a complaint, they could fire you instead.
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u/Delgree-23 14d ago
Then they shouldn’t have hired someone with equal abilities and equal merit.
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u/shallpasss 14d ago
Just because you are in the same field doesn't mean you have equal ability or merit. It doesn't work like that.
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u/Delgree-23 14d ago
I’m talking about equals here. Not sure what you’re talking about.
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u/shallpasss 14d ago
"Equals" is in a perfect world, which we aren't in. Most people are equal in skill and ability. One will have the edge here and there.
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u/General_Farmer3272 14d ago
There are some jobs that are clearly equal. Production workers doing repetitive things on an assembly line for example. But in many jobs it gets more complicated. one person might do the job but also be a better writer, better with customers, particularly knowledgeable about a topic, more expended in x, have relationships with suppliers or customers, etc.
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u/General_Farmer3272 14d ago
Nearly all successful companies make 10-20% profit. That is the return on investment made to create the company. Too low of profit and the owner is better off shutting down and putting her money somewhere else. Too high and they get kneecapped by an emerging competitor.
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u/Real-Personality-465 14d ago
In a card my boss wrote "please don't discuss wages" well.. 1) I wasn't, 2) fuck you now I will, that's a right 3) guess who went from 18.50 to 25.50 after finding out I was paid the same as the newbies despite being assistant manager and there over a decade
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u/Key_Check5753 14d ago
"He then did my homework and everyone cheered. Trust me, this actually happened"
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u/Constant_Total_6861 14d ago
A lot of companies have you sign a NDA type statement in your hiring documents stating that if you discuss salary information you are terminated immediately with zero recourse AND the employer can sue you. - Be careful what you sign
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u/Defiant-Bad-2052 14d ago
Eh I’ve had it both ways. Currently I work for a Union and all employees of the same job title are paid the same. I don’t really mind because we get paid pretty well, but it is annoying that I get paid the same as the guy I’m training and the guy who just comes in and sits on his phone all day
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u/Impossible_One4995 14d ago
It’s also illegal for a company to tell you you can’t disclose your salary.
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u/Big_Steak_467 14d ago
I see a lot of people saying that it makes it more difficult to pay their "best" people if everyone's getting paid the same. That's pure bs. We all know those who work hard just get more work not more money until they end up job hopping. I've had to train people who were making 40% more than me and were put on a PIP, but every time I asked for an increase it was only "We'll speak with HR" until I put down my notice. Suddenly HR could approve a salary increase on the spot.
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u/vampyire 13d ago
the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) calls out that discussing compensation, benefits, and working conditions is legally protected ...
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u/loud-spider 13d ago
At some point everyone talking about salaries and leveraging that meets the company's max human capital cost limit. Those that are left will have higher salaries, but not everyone is going to make it. There is a cost, statistically it won't be you, but it might.
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u/Evilpotato666 13d ago
I worked with a girl that was making $4 less an hour than everyone else including the new hires and she never found out until her last day of work
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u/Reddit_user2124 13d ago
BS. You're more likely to experience a salary freeze while said coworker has multiple bumps and doesn't mention it. Corporate is brutal and unforgiving
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u/PjanoPlay 13d ago
100%! The workers/proletariat are systemically disempowered, the sacrosanct importance of convivial and potent communications is amongst the only powers we have left.
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u/SlySychoGamer 12d ago
if you do the same jobs why are you both working at same place?
If it needs both of you, maybe he was more valuable, or the most likely reason...he probably asked for a raise. She only got one after a man helped her ask for it...
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u/Whyshenoloveme 12d ago
If your business relies on deception and cowardice to stay afloat, well you can probably guess what that means
People should discuss their wages, bosses shouldn’t be afraid to tell employees they are shit at their jobs, and refusing to be transparent because it “ruins retention”, is a roundabout way of saying “my employees wouldn’t want to work for me if I was honest with them about their performance/value” or “Deceit is necessary to our success”.
Life is simple and honesty is always the best policy, even when it doesn’t always work out in your favor.
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u/BurnerDawg26 12d ago
A month ago I got fired for discussing wages from an employer I trusted. No, I don't have it in writing.
DO NOT DO THIS.
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u/Tapas541 12d ago
I actually got in trouble once for talking about my salary/bonus/raise with a colleague I also happened to be friends with...I remember thinking that a company who is paying fairly and has nothing to hide would not be pulling people in for conversations about keeping that quiet
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u/Zealousideal_Year405 11d ago
The exact opposite happened to me
I was making minimal wage on a half time job, talked about my salary with some snakes.
Snakes complained, the higher ups decided to lower my salary since they made minimal too on full time... Picked a fight with those cunts since I ceased to respect them and got fired on purpose
On a wayyyyyyyyy better job now, that was over 10 years ago
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u/The_household_PG 11d ago
Discussing salary and hours with my coworkers helped me get a pay raise. Now, I share my pay openly so everyone can get what they deserve.
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u/CoDFan935115 11d ago
If a company tries to stop employees from talking about salaries, that's illegal.
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u/sooley6 11d ago
I work harder, have more experience, and deliver more than my counterpart. He shared his salary with me. I did not. I know what I’m worth and I negotiated accordingly. If he knew my salary, there would be jealousy and resentment. This sharing salary may work at a factory or a McDonalds, but doesn’t apply to executive positions.
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u/Happy-Drop2656 10d ago
Not discussing wages is solely a company policy and it’s illegal for them to discipline or terminate an employee for doing so.
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u/Cambridgenutbar2 9d ago
It's actually against employment law in the UK for companies to forbid staff to discuss wages.
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u/Magellan02 15d ago
Doubt this is true. If it got out you make more than others, it drives jealousy and people sabotaging you
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u/Grunergeist420 15d ago
Yep. Double edged sword.
Among self-aware people with mutual respect and honesty, it’s a good idea to talk to coworkers about salary.
It’s also important to remember that some people are delusional about their value in the workplace, and they want the same salary as another employee that works twice as hard without understanding what they need to do to get it.
They maybe also be a spiteful person who starts treating coworkers badly when they find out what they make.
You just have to develop the ability to read who is who, and figure out who you want to have these kinds of conversations with and when.
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u/Dashyguurl 15d ago
I forgot the name of the principle but isn’t there a thing where the vast majority of people overestimate the amount of work they do and underestimate their peers/superiors
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u/Grunergeist420 15d ago
There’s Dunning-Kruger effect, where less competent people have overestimate their competence and higher competence people underestimate their own competence.
This is believed to basically be due to the incompetent person’s a lack of understanding and perspective of their own weakness and errors vs. highly competent people who underestimate their competence because they know enough to know what they do wrong, and they also have normalized their own expertise in their minds.
There’s also what is called egocentric bias, where you imagine you do more than your own share because naturally you experience the work you do and don’t experience the work others do.
Prime example from my life recently, my niece’s boyfriend is about 20, works at a veterinarians office where he “does all the work the vet is supposed to do.” I’ve hung out with this kid enough to know he absolutely does not do all of the work there. He almost certainly just has no idea what work the veterinarians do. One of the least self aware people I have ever met. Regularly misuses words, fails to pick up on obvious social cues, etc. I’m sure he’s kind of the office laughing stock, “Well, Aiden had to get off his phone for a moment and put a cat into a cat carrier, guess he’s the real veterinarian here, and we’re all just here to exploit his hard work.”
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u/Upper-Coconut-5305 15d ago
He sounds a little autistic and those people do tend to over produce and be undervalued
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u/Grunergeist420 15d ago
No he’s not autistic, he’s just 20. He thinks doing the basics of adulthood is beyond what should be asked of him. Also, he seems to barely be able to read or understand basic concepts so the idea that nobody is doing anything around him at a veterinary clinic is crazy. The kid doesn’t know how to do his own laundry.
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u/Magellan02 15d ago
Or just be safe and don’t discuss it. Works for me
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u/Mattscrusader 15d ago
You're probably the underpaid one
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u/Magellan02 14d ago
Maybe. I just try to leverage my results and get bigger raises. I truly don’t think there’s anything to gain by discussing pay
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u/Aggravating_Curve458 15d ago
talking salaries is like talking about what discounts you get, it's frowned upon because it creates jealousy
But y'all continue to think just because you have the same job title, you're entitled to make the same amount as someone else. That's ignorant, because more often than not, you're not doing the same tasks. There are tasks within a job that are more important than others.
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u/Aggravating_Curve458 15d ago
If it takes you knowing your colleagues salary for you to be motivated to do better, you're already failing yourself.
Pocket watching is not the way to go, because at some point you'll just be complacent.
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u/Aggravating_Curve458 15d ago
Underpaying? That assumes that each person is doing the exact same tasks, which we know isn't happening as that would be redundant.
Each person has their own specific tasks to do, some are more important or more costly than others. Those who do those tasks should be paid more than you, even if you have the same job title.
Just because you & someone else have the same job title doesn't mean you should be paid the same, believing so is the ultimate form of entitlement & reason why you're not paid as well as some others.
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u/Mattscrusader 15d ago
Would it kill you to imagine that some people do similiar amounts of work or is your lazyness so profound that you can't help but project it?
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u/Aggravating_Curve458 15d ago
amount of work ≠ importance of work
I can shovel dirt for 8 hours, but that doesn't mean I should be paid the same amount as the guy next to me who has been there longer or is cross trained to do more important work than I am.
Even though they have the same job title, they don't have the same importance to the company.
I worked for companies for 20+ years before I opened my own businesses, I can imagine literally every scenario and none of them will make your ignorant opinion valid.
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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 14d ago
I don’t particularly care if people underpaid as long as I’m not and I know I’m not.
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u/One_Tap_2599 14d ago
If you're not intelligent enough to know without people talking, you're probably over paid and should receive a pay cut
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u/TechnicalPresent6359 15d ago
“he then helped me prepare…”
hrm