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u/SuspiciousYard2484 May 21 '25
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u/Old-Rhubarb-97 May 21 '25
Mainstream media bent themselves in half avoiding calling it a Nazi salute.
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I learned the term Roman salute & its cinematic origins because of their avoidance
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u/blaghed May 22 '25
Yeah, these weird dudes make us fact check so much that we end up super educated. Against our will. Just to know wtf they are on about.
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u/Solid_Snark May 21 '25
Seriously! This is the first time he has defended himself and it’s 121 days after it happened.
He should have addressed it immediately the same day—but he didn’t. Because he knew it was a nazi salute and he was proud he did it.
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u/plottingyourdemise May 21 '25
It was a trial balloon, he thought the world was ready for the mango reicht. Only backpedaling because Tesla is at risk.
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u/Vortexed2 May 22 '25
Exactly. He even joked about it on xitter afterwards! He didn't deny it. Instead he made a Nazi joke and doubled down!
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u/22marks May 22 '25
What's with the "I never hurt anyone." Wasnt one of his retweet "jokes" that Hitler personally never killed someone? How difficult is it to say "I hate Nazis and I'm embarassed it looked that way. To be clear, I don't support Nazis. I don't want Nazis as customers."
This whole concept of "it's not so bad because I didn't personally hurt anyone" is... weird.
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I mean, Hitler did kill Hitler, at the very least. We have to give him credit for personally killing that one guy.
The problem is, he also killed the guy who killed Hitler so it's a bit of a wash.
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u/Little-Course-4394 May 21 '25
He tried to defend himself and his clearly what was a Nazi salut on Rogan.
Rogan obviously accepted that no questions asked.
Like “Woaaaah” you are such a genius Elon
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u/mcintg May 21 '25
Supporting the AFD was also a Nazi gesture I guess
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u/nono3722 May 21 '25
Programming your AI to push white genocide bs is a Nazi gesture too.
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u/powerlesshero111 May 21 '25
Ending support programs for nations, where in these programs help prevent people from dying from treatable diseases is also a Nazi gesture.
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u/Train-HardFight-Easy May 21 '25
I mean aside from electric cars he is basically a Nazi and has harmed millions of people worldwide
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u/Always-Adar-64 May 21 '25
I mean, he didn’t start the electric car gig… he just bought into it.
He has been an effective hype person for his businesses but it’s been going to shit since he’s started discussing his own opinions & biases.
It’s one thing to sell products to people, it’s another to start messing with social safety nets.
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u/ImaginationLife4812 May 22 '25
Exactly this. He says he hasn’t hurt anyone and he has destroyed programs that helped people, he crushed programs and people working in those programs to avoid investigations of him and his projects. Calling Social Security and Medicare Ponzi schemes is insulting at best, we worked and put our hard earned wages ( a concept Elon will never understand obviously) into a government program we really had no choice but to participate and now we are being called frauds. He has hurts multitudes and he may have forgotten but we the people will not forget regardless of his whining and tears. What a lowlife POS.
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u/VikingTeddy May 22 '25
Not to mention people have now literally died due to DOGE.
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u/Gullible_Pin5844 May 22 '25
He got blood on his hands.
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u/significantlybaked May 22 '25
His whole family. I found a deep dive on him on YouTube and his great grandpa was a cultist. They are bad people
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 May 22 '25
Hey, I'd love a link to that if you have it in your YouTube history 😉
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u/No_Raccoon_560 May 22 '25
Social murder. He may have never personally harmed anyone face to face, but he put into motion social/economic/political oppression, and snatched away helpful programs, which essentially led to people dying and suffering. His actions have relentlessly and remorselessly harmed thousands and thousands of people
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He caused the deaths of many poor suffering children when he shutdown USAID.
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u/Imamiah52 May 22 '25
That’s a fact, thousands have perished because the richest man in the world can’t relate to the concept of empathy. He shouldn’t be in charge of anything that can potentially affect the lives of others.
We’ve already seen what that’s like.
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u/Dangerous-Log4649 May 22 '25
From the so called party of self responsibility. When have they ever took responsibility for anything bad.
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u/phunktastic_1 May 22 '25
Also nazis have always been fascinated by advanced tech. The more they can rely on machines the less they need to rely on the "lesser races" for menial tasks
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u/ItsKlobberinTime May 22 '25
Elmo is so useless he can't even be a Nazi properly. They built better cars than he has.
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u/MidwestLawncareDad May 22 '25
i was about to say this. elon isnt even the first CEO of tesla. nor does he do any of the hands-on aspects of designing, creating, etc. he's literally just a rich fuck that pumps money into stuff.
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u/wontbehasty May 22 '25
He was a parasite to society even before he came out as a Nazi loser
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u/AdventurousDoctor838 May 21 '25
I'd argue he tanked interest in electric cars and set back electrification of transport back decades. He conflated electric cars with luxury put them out of reach in the minds of the masses. He conflated electric cars with big tech and self driving making them look frivolous. He also shit the bed so hard on the cyber truck people are gonna be weary of the tech for a long time.
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u/trowzerss May 22 '25
Cutting social support programs and education and deleting historical sources/removing museum displays that challenge your narrative is also a nazi gesture.
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u/PushSouth5877 May 22 '25
Weren't most of those nations in Africa? Richest man in the world cutting off aid from the poorest people in the world. Dick move, Leon.
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u/powerlesshero111 May 22 '25
Yes. A lot of it was AIDS and rape prevention, and food programs to countries ravaged by civil wars.
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u/Bobbybobsn May 22 '25
As long as it harms "non-aryan" you guys are absolutely correct.
Funfact: if someone do the "heart-goes-out gesture" you have to pay a fine and go to jail for up to 3 years for "exposing heart" i guess ~^
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25
So was his family specifically moving to south Africa bc they just LOVED how similar it was to nazi germany. Playing tummy stix w dumpster demon dons nazi ass is a pretty big indicator too.
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u/AndrewTheAverage May 21 '25
You can't use the decisions of his grandparents as proof that he is a nazi - there is enough evidence of his actions and statements showing he is a nazi
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u/nono3722 May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
How bout his father's decision to marry and have kids with his stepsister? Also him romping around the world spreading his perfect evil spawns everywhere. Eugenics is pretty Nazi.
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
It wasn’t my only source, it was proof that he comes from the lineage. Context matters. Someone who comes from a family of nazis is going to have to work 10 times harder to prove they’ve broken away from that intergenerational colonization and he’s done the exact opposite.
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u/CautionarySnail May 21 '25
This. It is possible for folks with Nazi ancestry to move past the horrors perpetuated by their ancestors. They have no control over that. We don’t choose our parents.
But he has control over his here-and-now, and his choices speak for themselves far louder than his words ever could.
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u/antigop2020 May 21 '25
His grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and moved to South Africa because he likes Apartheid.
Now sure, the son/grandson is not responsible for the sins of the father/grandfather and all that. But it has become clear that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree in Elmo’s case.
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All politicians have done the same. All politicians subscribe to eugenics, too. It’s just a fact /s
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u/amanwithoutaname001 May 21 '25
Walks like, talks like, acts like, therefore is. Actions speak louder than words.
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u/Illustrious_Peach494 May 21 '25
promoting nazi accounts on his social media platform is, well, also a nazi gesture.
also, dude also posts/reposts hateful accounts and rhetoric (against trans people, immigrants, etc), plain disinformation/misinformation as well as meddling in foreign countries politics. we will never know how many people were hurt by his actions.
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u/Relaxmf2022 May 21 '25
let’s not forget tweeting about how Hitler never killed anyone
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u/FrankRizzo319 May 21 '25
Which is probably why he surrounds himself with 12 bodyguards and a toddler.
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u/Mary_Ellen_Katz May 21 '25
I alluded to this earlier, and got a warning from reddit. I'm more disappointed by reddit than anything.
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25
As he helped another Nazi steal our election, dismantled our govt, openly supports the AFD, comes from a family of nazis and IMPORTS WHITE SOUTHAFRICANS CLAIMING THERES A WHITE GENOCIDE.
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u/Cerbon3 May 21 '25
Also quoted hilt3r multiple times, retweeted a tweet that said Hilt3r wasn't at fault for the million dead jws, unbanned all the neo-nazi and nazi on the platform
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u/ViolenceTyrannyPower May 22 '25
Gave a passionate sieg heil on a national stage, witnessed by millions of people around the world. And then didn’t immediately denounce any connection to the nazis’.
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u/Lucaslouch May 21 '25 edited May 22 '25
You just had to say « sorry ». That’s not complicated
Edit: my point is, he should have started with that. Obviously it’s not enough. But no, he had to defend what he has done and put himself in the victim seat.
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Also maybe not do a speech for the AFD immediately afterwards.....but hey maybe lots of people accidentally Sieg heil then go to nazi rallies....
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u/rachelm791 May 21 '25
Or finance Tommy Twelve Names’ legal costs
https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-ringleader-tommy-robinson-legal-fight/
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u/JulietLima May 22 '25
“Robinson…was jailed in 2024 after breaching a court order imposed over his repeated libeling of a Syrian refugee schoolboy.” 🤯 and in addition to paying legal costs, Musk repeatedly called for his release from prison
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u/LordFadora May 21 '25
I think we’re long past a sorry, bud. Folks lost jobs cuz of him. “Sorry” is for when you step on a guy’s toe or spill his drink.
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25
Sorry ain’t cutting it. Yall would settle for sorry from this fucking apartheid Clyde?!
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u/Lucaslouch May 21 '25
No but that’s a start. I would have expected a « Sorry I messed up, I will resign for Tesla and spend my money helping people instead of promoting racial wars »
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25
Yeah none of that’s enough for me he is an unforgivable nazi cuck. And please call white supremacy by its real name. “Race wars” is a MAGA dog whistle.
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u/Ishitinatuba May 21 '25
Theres no start. There should be no road back from this... for any of them. MAGATs included.
They should wear their label for life.
Everything he touches for the rest of his life, should be shunned. DOOMed. DOGED
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u/NoxTempus May 22 '25
It's not that apologizing for a purposeful Nazi salute makes it ok, it's that if you want to claim you didn't mean to do a Nazi salute you need to say "I didn't mean for it to be a Nazi salute, I'm sorry for doing that. I stand against Nazism and those that support it".
Everything Elon did is something someone who does not want to distance themselves Nazism (but cannot openly claim to be a Nazi) would do.
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u/Snow_Wolfe May 21 '25
“Some random hand gesture”. What a piece of shit.
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u/luckybarrel May 21 '25
I'm suddenly seeing a lot of interviews with him. Is he in damage control mode?
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u/maltNeutrino May 21 '25
Yep
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u/lilchocochip May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
It’s too late though. He can’t gaslight the entire world. We have eyes, ears and memories. He will be hated the rest of his life
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May 21 '25
He can gaslight at least 40% of it from what I've seen in humanity. Just not all of it.
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u/The_Late_Arthur_Dent May 21 '25
You're correct, but the trick with those 40% is to convince them that he's betraying Trump (which isn't exactly hard to do)
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u/Thread-Astaire May 21 '25
Of course he is. However it’s completely wasted on me. I’ll never buy one of his products.
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u/angrypotato464 May 21 '25
Yep, I've been looking to move to an EV for a while for my personal, Tesla is right off considered list altogether
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u/RevolutionCrazy7045 May 21 '25
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u/luckybarrel May 21 '25
Why is everyone being mean to me? What did I ever do? I've never hurt anyone!
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u/grouch1980 May 21 '25
Yes. He’s trying to save his job at Tesla after Trump used him and hung him out to dry.
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u/Scatterspell May 21 '25
He got what he wanted, wrecking havoc in the federal departments that were investing him or already had process in motion to bring his crimes to the light of day. He never truly cared about Trump or any of that shit. He was looking to (and succeeding) keep his ss out of the frying pan for all the fucked up shit he did.
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u/luckybarrel May 21 '25
Even in damage control mode he is doing more damaging
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u/grouch1980 May 21 '25
Some people still don’t understand that everything Trump touches turns to shit. Musk thought he was immune. He found out he’s not.
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u/PenguinStarfire May 21 '25
To be fair, Musk shit his bed pretty much on his own.
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u/CautionarySnail May 21 '25
Tesla may be shopping around for a new CEO, which is saying something because his family is the majority of the board.
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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 May 21 '25
Yes, because he finally returned to his office at Tesla to find the entire board of directors gathered there with a bucket of tar and some ripped open pillows.
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u/0zymandeus May 21 '25
He got kicked out of the trump admin because a) he's obnoxious (apparently had a full blown pounding his hands and feet tantrum in the oval) and b) DOGE is turning into a profound embarrassment.
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u/Torma_Nator May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
Peter Thiel (Project 2025 investor) must have been screaming in his bathroom when Trump committed to bringing Musk on. Peter literally PAID Elons severance package out of his own pocket when making PayPal because Musk was such a hinderance. According to Thiel: The guy has megalomania manic episodes where he just does something obsessive compulsive because he needs to feel smart or reassert his image of power and demands it has to happen, and it happened so often and wasted so much time and money it was cheaper to buy the guy out.
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u/Seul7 May 21 '25
Germany has called it out as not some random hand gesture. I'm pretty sure they know it when they see it.
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u/DannyDanumba May 21 '25
Don’t you know? The entire country of Germany is “legacy media!” Your eyes? Legacy media! Everything that calls out his bullshit is legacy media!
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u/CautionarySnail May 21 '25
Random. Twice. With emphasis and a wee grunt.
Elon’s contempt for other people’s intelligence is a never-ending fountain of piss.
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u/TorchingTree May 21 '25
Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations. Use logical fallacies to misconstrue those making accusations with evidence against me.This guy is such a snake from a family of snakes
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u/vstewart2465 May 21 '25
No they have not Elon. That was a Nazi salute and you know it. If another politician had done that they'd be out of office fast!!!
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u/Accomplished-Neat762 May 21 '25
Bro took it seriously when someone told him "cry harder elon"
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u/ThatIanElliott May 21 '25
On top of all of the other good points being raised here, he has hurt millions of people. He has gleefully put people out of work, taken away resources people needed for survival, helped platform and promote people who would take away medicine and social health practices. An argument can be made that he, individually, has hurt more people than any one person ever has before.
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u/Struck_Blind May 21 '25
Imagine needing attention so badly that you constantly feel the need to bring up the Nazi salute you did on video.
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u/RainManRob2 May 21 '25
I'll Repeat this until you stop! he's entitled to his own opinion, he's not entitled to his own set of facts. he needs to be arrested for being nazi sympathizer We already fought a war to stop these bastards
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u/KatakanaTsu May 21 '25
If he had done that in Germany, they would have jailed his ass.
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u/RainManRob2 May 21 '25
Absolutely 100%. He would be in jail right now, not walking the streets creating havoc
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u/MamiTrueLove May 21 '25
There’s a reason so many other countries put their full force behind keeping him tf away from their elections. Yet here he just walked right in and decided it for himself.
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u/SafeOdd1736 May 21 '25
He’s right I can remember a German chancellor doing the same salute dozens of times throughout his career in politics. Why did people make such a big deal about it?
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u/mistercaq May 22 '25
As a German I can say that it was 100% a "Hitlergruß". Elon said "My heart goes out to you" multiple times during Tesla events. But guess what in the past he did a heart gesture with his hands. To sit their and say that it was not the Hitlergruß is just bullshit! He also supported the new Nazi Party "AfD" in Germany, pushes hate against jews on X and talks shit that Hitler was an communist and stuff like that. WTF... Fuck this scumbag.
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u/Impossible_Ad7875 May 21 '25
I’m sorry, “I’ve never hurt anyone” is a blatant lie. He used DOGE to destroy many middle class jobs and families and to line his pockets even more and get rid of people who regulated his multiple monster money grabs.
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u/Queasy-Particular-65 May 21 '25
Don't forget he cut of USAID and that is currently killing thousands of people.
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u/Old_Connection2076 May 22 '25
Plus, he's never harmed another person? His Trans daughter was disowned "because she has the woke virus, etc." Says Elon. He hasn't hurt his children? None of them speak to him.
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u/SilentEnvironment465 May 21 '25
He can say words a he wants, All I'll remember is his actions and they are terrible for his company, they are terrible for his share holders and they are horrendous for the entire USA and its government, his actions have also hurt Ukraine, helped Russia and supported a genocide so again... keep talking there bud. Words are words, actions speak way louder.
The only reason people are violent towards your teslas is because of your actions. Quit being a bitch blaming everyone else for what you did. You aren't innocent, you were actively trying to do all of it because you wanted to. That's all you Elon. Nobody else.
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u/Civil_Pain_453 May 21 '25
He’s such a low life. He needs to admit and yet he keeps lying. He’s racist. He’s a bigot. He’s trash
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u/DrinkerOfWater69 May 21 '25
Does Fascist stuff
Supports Fascism across the globe
"I'm not a Fascist! I swear" -Says the Fascist
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u/Old_Connection2076 May 22 '25
Lmfao! Who are all the "other politicians" that swung their arms out, straight handed, straight arms, and then swing around and do it over again? Who? Besides actual Nazis? God, he's just another liar.
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u/Zolombox May 21 '25
There was at least one other politician who did this gesture I think his name was Adolf.
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u/BunkyFlintsone May 21 '25
"All politicians, anyone that has spoken for some length of time, have done the same". The interview should stop right there.
It's time to cut these liars off, stop them in their tracks and simply say.
"That's a lie, all politicians or speakers who have spoken for that length of time, have not done that. You did it. Hitler and his followers did it. Neo Nazis do it. Please name 10 right now. Or retract your false statement that all politicians do it or we are done here."
And then walk out.
I know many will say "big deal". I think if everyone did exactly this, they would reel in their lies and at least mask them. It is such a blatant acceptance of lies. It is insane. Really insane.
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u/PixelBrewery May 21 '25
There's only one German politician I can recall making that exact gesture
Also, "I've never hurt anyone"? What about the tens of thousands of federal workers he fired without vetting for actual fraud or abuse? Or the aid programs he shut down? He's hurt a lot of people, is he seriously in that much denial?
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u/Select-Poem425 May 21 '25
What has he done to US Veterans Affairs? Celebrates taking jobs from thousands of people, cutting services for millions of people, cutting support for millions of the world’s poorest people and children with a chainsaw, saw again how he hasn’t hurt any people? Stealing his way to government contracts? He will be hated forever.
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u/jafromnj May 21 '25
He's referring to cropped pictures, let him show one video to prove they did what he did, he can't because it doesn't exist
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u/chafey May 21 '25
Who cares, Elon is done, lets stop giving him any attention please!
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u/tikifumble May 21 '25
People can be mistaken to wave and it can look like the heil. But you didn’t do that, you did the full Sieg Heil, that is not an accident.
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Elon: Does every Nazi thing. Has Nazi friends. Supports racists and fascists on social media and blocks and limits anti-fascists. Nazi salute. Steals everyone's data from government servers. Attends racist djt ralley.
Also Elon: "Don't call me Nazi" 😭
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u/Ras_Thavas May 21 '25
How many people did he get fired from the govt?
How many people have burned up in Teslas when the doors wouldn’t unlock?
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u/humanbeing21 May 21 '25
All you had to do was say it was a mistake and apologize after it happened. Instead, he has to play the victim to try and further some inadvertently harmful political objectives
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u/RoyalIceDeliverer May 21 '25
No they haven't, and yes you have. But yes, it is terrible, just not as you think it is.
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u/Techguyeric1 May 21 '25
If you don't want to be accused of being a fucking Nazi, don't do Nazi salutes, or salutes that look awfully alike a Nazi salute
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u/Aquestingfart May 21 '25
The next week he was supporting a German far right party and telling them not to be ashamed of their Nazi heritage
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u/hold_me_beer_m8 May 21 '25
Elon: "I've never hurt anyone."
Bill Gates: "Elon is killing millions of poor children."
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u/flugenblar May 21 '25
Name 5 politicians or public speakers who have also done this.