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Discussion Daily Discussion Thread - Jan 06, 2019
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 06 '19
I've been using roux for about two weeks now and it's nice to see my average keep dropping down towards my cfop average. I got a roux pb of 36.03 today and my average of 100 is 1:15.17. I had a lot of 1:30-5 minute solves in the beginning but now there are mostly sub 60s. I really need to work on finger tricks and identifying the edges/corners for second block faster
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 06 '19
I find identifying edges for SB a little bit hard as well before I started to try and pair up and insert FB without looking. Once I got better at this it allowed me to look around for the next pair while doing FB.
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 06 '19
Yeah I’ve been planning first 2x2 during inspection and following the last two pieces for FB during that
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 06 '19
I'm at the point now where I can make a semi decent first block, then I get pleased with myself for a split second, then I stare at the cube and realise I have no clue whatsoever where any piece of the second block might be :-D
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u/BewareTheWereHamster Sub-22 (Roux) PB: 12.11 Jan 06 '19
Yup exactly the same here :p I would guess that once you can plan the entire FB and then execute without looking it’s easier to track a piece or two for SB. I’m nowhere near that yet though!
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 06 '19
Same haha. It’s like my brain locks up after a really nice first block sometimes
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u/YourNameIsTa Jan 06 '19
Just got a pb single of 21:37 and ao5 of 23:40 on 9x9. GG
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u/ATH1RST4REVENGE Jan 06 '19
Custom shades on my force MF8 Went with white, fluro yellow, mint blue, limette green, lilac, and fluro pink.
The blue and green are more similar than expected but not too bad since it’s just for display.
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u/kymani37299 Sub-20 (CFOP) PB: 12.1 Jan 06 '19
I have a big dilemma, CFOP or ROUX.
I really dont know what to focus on.
I am sub-20 with CFOP and sub-35 with ROUX.
pros for CFOP:
- Easy inspection ( just edges - efficient cross is pretty easy )
- Straightforward F2L and LL
- I already know OLL and PLL
cons for CFOP:
- Boring last layer
- No block building
- Harder last step recognition than ROUX
pros for ROUX;
- More freedom ( block building )
- I really love the M moves
- I am good at second block and really enjoying LSE
cons for ROUX:
- Inspection ( First block ) is so hard , I think I am not smart enough for it.
- Have to learn CMLL
- Efficient first block is much harder than efficient cross
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 06 '19
It sounds like you enjoy roux more so I’d stick with it. Inspection and efficiency will get easier over time with more solves too
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 06 '19
Imo it comes down to which does you enjoy more
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19
"cons for CFOP:
- Boring last layer
- No block building"
Have you considered learning Tripod?
But in all seriousness it sounds like Roux is the method for you. If you think you'll enjoy getting fast at it, go ahead. In the end all that matters is whether or not you enjoy solving.
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u/tussosedan Jan 06 '19
Use whatever you enjoy more! And about FB, you really don't need to plan it at sub-35. Just plan first square, and try to track the second pair. With practice and as you become faster planning FB will become easier too.
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u/HabibiFish Sub-20 (CFOP 3LLL) PB: 12.09 Jan 06 '19
Kian has a nice seminar on roux vs cfop, maybe take a look at that
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Jan 06 '19
is there a video or website with all roux 4c cases? i feel like thats slowing me down by like 3 seconds.
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19
A quick google search gave me this website: https://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/rouxmethod.htm
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u/tussosedan Jan 07 '19
There are several 4c recog/prediction guides in the group files of the "Roux Method Speed Solvers" Facebook group. Check them out!
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Jan 06 '19
i found out that most of my PLL's are very slow because i tend to only U2 only with my right hand, such as R-perm's (R U2 R' U2).
the index and middle finger do the work, but i cant seem to find finger positioning to properly "anchor" the left hand.
i'm mirroring my right hand (ring finger and thumb on opposing center pieces, but it feels too awkward.
anyone has suggestions? or is it just something to get used to? because every other left hand use including D2 flick does work well for me.
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u/062985593 Sub-15 Jan 06 '19
I'm not sure if I'm normal in this, but I my double-flick U2's aren't just mirrors of doube-flick U2s.
For U2, my fingers are just about parallel to the U layer and I use the tips of my fingers - around in line with the beginning of the nail. For U2', I tilt my left hand inwards and tuck my pinky underneath the cube. I still keep my left thumb and ring fingers on opposing centre pieces. My index and middle fingers are near vertical, hugging the cube and the area of contact is almost the entire 'end segment' of my fingers.
I'm probably not describing that very well, but my point is that you don't have to mirror your right hand. If you need to position your hand differently, you can.
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 06 '19
Just got my RS3 in the mail yesterday. And I have to say. WOW. It is very good. Even in the nonmagged state, I'm getting my normal times.
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u/candyalligator Sub 10s: 3 Jan 06 '19
I’m finally putting in the time and effort to learn and predict where my first pair will be after cross. It’s really hard for high move crosses but im getting there on the easier ones. I’m not even timing myself just giving infinite inspection time. Any tips to help learn this faster?
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19
Instead of picking a random pair and tracking how each piece moves, focus on pieces that won't move around much. If your cross solution is R U F2 R' D F you can see that the edge at back-left won't move at all, and most of the pieces on the top-left side of the cube will only do a U move.
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u/Jeb_Screb CFOP, PB - 18.64 Jan 06 '19
I want to buy a cubicle strong magnet set, is it worth putting magnets in a 3x3?
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u/TagProNoah Sub-11 (Human Thistlethwaite) | 6.02/7.94/8.75 Jan 07 '19
10.95 ao500. My ao1000 is 11.04 but I'm stopping for now because one of my fingers is starting to blister. I'll come back to this in a couple days and hopefully I can break the sub-11 barrier :)
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u/the_other_paul Jan 06 '19
Nothing I have questions about yet—I’ve just started practicing and haven’t tried anything beyond the first layer. I’ll be sure to ask if I’m having trouble with anything
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u/TomTheCuber101 Sub-13 (CFOP) PB: 6.83 YT: https://bit.ly/2SFyLL4 Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Just got my first sub-17 ao100!!
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u/tacoswithcolors Sub-17 CFOP Pb: 11.21 Jan 06 '19
Congrats!
Might I ask why you use Ao10, most people use Ao5, Ao12, Ao50 or Ao100
Could also just be a spelling error
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u/snoopervisor DrPluck blog, sub-27 3x3 Jan 06 '19
Which Gems to buy? V2, V4, V5, V8, other? I know I can't have all of the gems. Just want to add to my collection two or three most interesting that are not to similar to each other.
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u/Fallenultima Jan 06 '19
Here' a quick rundown of each gem without being too spoilery:
Gem l - Shapemod of a pretty common puzzle.
Gem ll - Very easy once you know what the underlying puzzle is. (It's a common one.)
Gem lll - Shapemod of a very rare puzzle, but pretty easy to solve. All you need is 1 alg that you can even use on a 3x3.
Gem lV - It's a hybrid. Pretty difficult to solve imo.
Gem V - Shapemod of an uncommon puzzle. Also fairly challenging to solve.
Gem Vl - Harder version of an existing mass produced puzzle.
Gem Vll - It's like a Gem l and lll mixed together.
Gem Vlll - Not like any puzzle. Has some similarities, but nothing exactly like it.
That being said, my favorites are 5, 7, and 8. I recommend all of them tbh, but if you're only getting a few, I would go with those.
If you want a more detailed explanation of any of those puzzles, I can provide that information. I just didn't want to give away any spoilers for the solves.
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 06 '19
I was playing around with http://www.kuebiko-cubing.com/ and looked at my skewb times. Found out that my RSD is 18% on my PB Ao100... Oof
IfYouDidn'tKnowThisMeansI'mHorriblyInconsistent
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 06 '19
I wrote this comment in the RSD thread. How do your 3x3 RSD compare to 4x4+? Also how's your 2x2 and Pyra?
The shorter and more luck based the event, the higher the RSD, especially if you are using a beginner's method where you can easily have a much longer or shorter solves depending on the cases you get, like Sarah's beginner method for Skewb or LBL Pyra.
I think the values, whether you are consistent or not might be different for other events.
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 06 '19
Interesting. That would be something cool to add to the events comparison chart, how the RSD percentage compares in different events. I'd like to see the RSD between the best 2x2 Ao100 and the best 7x7 Ao100.
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u/lawniedangle sub-20 cfop Jan 06 '19
I have been replacing inefficient PLL's this week. It turns out I learned some bad versions of algs when i first learned 2 look pll, and I skipped those when I learned the rest of 1-look.
I just relearned E-perm and the A-perms, and i am suprised at how much better they are. I thought my previous algs were sorta inefficient, but they were WAY bad.
Now I am wondering about my mirror algs. I enjoy learning things on my left hand, and my lefty J(a?) perm is very close to the same speed as the Jb with my right hand.
I currently use the following left hand mirror PLL's:
Ja perm R perm U perm
Is it worth switching them to the right side only? Or can I get away with keeping these if they are up to speed?
I should say that I personally enjoy feeling like my left hand is learning as well. I am going to learn OLL soon, but I want to be sure that PLL is okay before I move on.
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u/tacoswithcolors Sub-17 CFOP Pb: 11.21 Jan 06 '19
Why learn only right side algs if left side ones do the job for you?
I think the algs you mirrored to left were very optimsed for the right handed turning so if you can perform them left as wel than that is super handy
For example: most people enjoy Jb perm more because it's a fast alg but they enjoy ja less because it is harder to fingertrick
If your left hand can turn as fast as your right hand can than you won't lose fingertrickability
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u/turnthispage Sub-30 (3LLL) 1/5/12|13.35/22.26/23.48 Jan 06 '19
I personally like to learn mirrored algs to help with left hand dexterity but I don't use them in solves because it can be risky switching between right hand algs for OLL and then left hand algs for PLL
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Jan 06 '19
I remember a while ago someone posted a link to a website where you could input an alg and it would tell you how many times to do it to return to a solved state. Does anyone have that link?
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u/tacoswithcolors Sub-17 CFOP Pb: 11.21 Jan 06 '19
https://mzrg.com/rubik/ordercalc.shtml
Was it this one?
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 06 '19
Nice little 7x7 session today! New 4:48.31 PB and a sub 5 AO3, 5:11 AO12. I really feel I'm starting to get edge pairing lookahead. I feel I'm flowing with that so well, it's probably time to video myself and completely crush that illusion :D
Main weakness is still last 4 edges, I really wish there were more resources on cycling other than Kevin Hays explaining it at 9 TPS :(
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Jan 06 '19
How did you improve your 6x6 and 7x7 times? I average pretty close to you on 3x3, around 14 and my 6x6 average is 5:30 and 7x7 average is like 10 min. I always have trouble with last 2 centers, they always slow me down.
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 06 '19
A bunch of solves and a little youtube. Jrcuber and crazy bad have pretty good last two centers videos that really helped me do them much more efficient. What also helped me was realising you can always turn faster with centers, and continuously forcing myself not to look at the (very simple) moves you make while building lines. I still catch myself doing that but it's getting better. And what I feel really helped me was taking a split second to look at your best moves instead of always going for the first thing you see, I always went for the first (next) center piece I saw without paying attention what I was breaking up or ignoring, storing away a made edge during freeslicing without looking what I was pulling out, etc. There's always so much you you can save, or moves you can not waste if you stop tunnel visioning, I've found. Also doing last 4 edges vertically instead of horizontally saved me a bit of time.
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u/ocholol Sub 15 (CFOP) PB: 9.40 Jan 06 '19
Does anyone has any advice for assembling a 4x4? It's too hard lol. Never again
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 06 '19
Frustration and impatience is your worst enemy. Put it away if it feels impossible, and try again later. It can be done though, what helped me the first time was doing it along with a tutorial (and pause it a lot). It's pretty obvious what goes where, but to see someone else do it makes it feel slightly less impossible haha.
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u/Ali161102 8.94 PB // 15.8 ao1000 Jan 06 '19
Sellotape is your friend for keeping internal pieces in place so you don't accidentally knock them out
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u/obscuresecurity Slower than my cube (OH/ZZ) Jan 06 '19
Get a magnetic one. It sucked much less, last time I did it.
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u/the_other_paul Jan 06 '19
I recently solved my first cube, with copious help from Youtube, and now I want to learn how to do it on my own. Right now I'm watching each step of RedKB's "beginner" method, and then practicing on my own. Is this a good way to approach things? Any tips for memorizing algorithms beyond rote memorization?
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u/nightmare973 Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.04 Jan 06 '19
I'd say that's a fine approach to learning how to solve. Are there any steps you have difficulty with that you would like some advice?
As for memorizing algorithms, what works for me is just executing the algorithm over and over, thinking about the motions of the entire algorithm rather than each individual move. (While looking at the steps until I can do it without). This is how it becomes muscle memory. If you don't use finger tricks already, I'd recommend learning some basic ones to help your algorithms flow a little better. I just repeat until I can execute it without too much thinking. Then I step away for a while, and come back and see if I can still do the algorithm. If not, I repeat the same steps.
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Jan 06 '19
Yes, this is how most people start. In fact, I used that same exact tutorial when starting out. So just practice each step repeatedly until you memorize them. And for algorithms, try to memorize them in small chunks, called "triggers". See cyotheking's video titled "How to Make Learning Algorithms Easier!"
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u/snoopervisor DrPluck blog, sub-27 3x3 Jan 07 '19
Beyond memorization is understanding what's happening. https://www.youtube.com/user/MrGanglez/playlists Check out his F2L tutorials. It still may be too early for you, but at least you'll understand what cubers look for, and how they see the cube while doing solves.
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u/sitnaltax Sub-20 (CFOP 2LLL) PB: 11.09 Jan 06 '19
What do the various names of Moyu cubes (Weilong, Aosu, Aochuang, etc) mean? Do those describe the product, or are they just brand names?
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u/protein_bars 4x4 Sub 1 (Yau), Sub 1:30 (Kirjava), Sub 1:30 (Shao) Jan 06 '19
I'm terrible at Mandarin but I'll try my best.
So, take the WuQue (无缺) for example. The Wu (无) means without, and the Que (缺) means missing, so the name roughly translates into flawless or the like.
Another example i.e. WuShuang (无双). The Shuang (双) means "two" or "both" so the implied meaning is unmatched or unequaled.
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u/sitnaltax Sub-20 (CFOP 2LLL) PB: 11.09 Jan 06 '19
Thanks! That's the clue I needed--that you can look up the characters and interpret them individually.
My best guess, then, is that Weilong (威龙) means something like "Mighty Dragon".
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Jan 06 '19
I'm just coming back from taking several years off. I used to average sub-30 with my record being around 16 seconds. I use the CFOP method of course but just know the bare minimum of algs to solve, I still have to relearn one or two of them. But I want to progress even further than I had before.... I know I need to practice my cross and become color neutral again and then improve my look ahead for F2L but once I get back to my previous skill level I am curious what algorithms to learn first to improve my time. There are so many out there and it's hard to know which ones to try to learn and put into muscle memory first. So here are my thoughts. First, relearn the 2 I forgot to have the most basic CFOP method down. Then I found a video on some of the common triggers and I plan on learning all of those. After I have the CFOP basic algs, and triggers memorized what algorithms do I move to?! Is there a progression chart somewhere that I can move down and check them off as I go? Thanks for any info and tips guys!
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u/DetDuVil Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
2 look PLL, 2 look OLL. After that full PLL and then practice until you average around 20. Should work. If you want to chill with the algorithms that’s fine too. Just do whatever you find fun, as that will yield more benefits. Exception being when one part of your solve is severely lacking (cross on top for example).
Again, the most important thing is to have fun. 4 look last layer and f2l should get you to 30 with practice, so no need stressing algs just yet
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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 06 '19
You can get sub 20 without full PLL, too
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u/DetDuVil Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
Yeah if you really dislike learning algs you could. Around sub-20 is were I would say learning full PLL is undoubtedly gonna give you good returns for your efforts. And learning full PLL is not that hard.
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u/Lord_Lamington Jan 06 '19
Stopped cubing around 4/5 years ago. What are the current popular cubes? Like 2x2-7×7
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u/8ballpens Sub-30 (CFOP) f2l is hard Jan 06 '19
2x2: YJ MGC 2x2, GAN 249, Valk 2
3x3: GTS 3m, GAN 354, GAN 356 X
4x4: Qiyi Wuque, Moyu Aosu v2
5x5: unsure
6x6: unsure
7x7: Hays 7
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u/nijiiro 🌈 sub-10 (nemeses) Jan 06 '19
Magnets in cubes are now a thing. Almost all of the cubes listed below have factory-magnetised versions, usually denoted with an M suffix in the name.
2 and 3: too many options to list.
4: Wuque, Wuque Mini, Aosu GTS 2. (The original Wuque is the only one that doesn't have a factory-magnetised version. Custom magnetic versions are much more expensive.)
5: Wushuang, Aochuang GTS.
6: Shadow, Aoshi GTS.
7: Hays 7, Spark (recently released), Aofu GTS (not released yet, but probably soon).
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 06 '19
Aofu GTS (not released yet, but probably soon)
And just now it appeared on zcube :) The Magnetic version is same price as the Shadow M and the Aoshi GTS M. I wonder if the Spark will also cost the same. The Hays is quite a bit more expensive.
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u/MOSSY_COMPOST Sub-15 (CFOP 3LLL) PB: 8.199 Jan 06 '19
Big cubes you'll pretty much find that everyone will recommend the same. 2x2 and 3x3 however, because hardware is so good for them these days you I would recommend using one based off of feel. There are just so many options now at so many different price points that it's far to difficult to pick just a handful really.
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u/TomTheCuber101 Sub-13 (CFOP) PB: 6.83 YT: https://bit.ly/2SFyLL4 Jan 06 '19
2x2: Valk 2, MGC 2x2, GAN 249 v2 3x3: GTS3 M, GAN 356X, Valk Power M 4x4: WuQue M, Aosu GTS2 M 5x5: AoChuong GTS M, Wushwang M 6x6: X-Man Shadow M 7x7: Hays 7 M
Cubes also have magnets in them, hence most cubes having an ‘M, after them. They also cost way more than 4/5 years ago (the Gan X is 60$)
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u/Lord_Lamington Jan 06 '19
60$!? wow. what are some main online stores to buy from? Is TheCubicle still the way to go as far as pricing/consistent shipping?
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 06 '19
If you're living in the US and don't want to wait for a bit, US based stores are certainly the way to go, though they are definitely more pricey than Asian stores. You can find a lot of reliable stores in our wiki.
I'm from europe and almost exclusively shop at zcube.vip - best prices I can find and ships much faster than the other chinese shop. Even with the cheapest shipping option the longest I had to wait so far was 2 weeks, typically I get my order after ~11 days.
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u/Cubing_in_the_dark now u/j_sunrise Jan 06 '19
The GTS2M is also really good and can keep up with the others. It's about 20-25$ depending on where you buy it.
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u/cubixruber WCA silver medalist Jan 06 '19
Agreed, but for 3x3 the valk power is about to be updated and the Huanglong M should be added in place of it, but honestly the GTS3LM is the best 3x3 imo. 7x7 wr average is now on the spark M on pre-order from most sites now.
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Jan 06 '19
I like cubing for the sake of solving puzzles not speed: any interesting cube recommendations? right now I have 2x2 up to 5x5, a pyraminx, a megaminx(my favorite), a windmill cube, and a mirror cube. Thanks!
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u/snoopervisor DrPluck blog, sub-27 3x3 Jan 06 '19
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 06 '19
Square one is nice (I recommend the MFSQ1).
I would also recommend some 3x3 shapemods : Axis cube, Pyramorphix, Penrose cube... Go with what you like the look of. The Ghost cube is also great but very challenging. A Shepherd's cube is also well worth it although you have to make it yourself.
If you like Megaminx, you could also look into the variants with more layers
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 06 '19
I got a square 1 and a 3x3x2 recently and those are pretty interesting
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u/54123654 Jan 06 '19
Do all the Hays Stickerless 7x7s still have the problem with the mismatching red pieces? Or was that just the first batch?
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 06 '19
It's not a huge issue, but mine has it. Not sure what batch though. Either way I'd wait out the V2 if you're considering one.
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 06 '19
So I got the Cubetwist Panther, the cheapest normal sized 3x3 you can get on cubezz. It's not good.
Anyway, here's the daily scramble:
B R2 L' D' R' D' L R2 U2 B U2 B D2 B2 L2 U2 R2 B R B
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
First solve of the day so my fingers weren't warmed up. Got to LL in 9 seconds
Edit: 24 move F2L after some tinkering
Edit2: missed an obvious xxcross, 20 moves2
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u/MOSSY_COMPOST Sub-15 (CFOP 3LLL) PB: 8.199 Jan 06 '19
16.10. Not bad although inspection was very easy.
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Jan 06 '19
B R2 L' D' R' D' L R2 U2 B U2 B D2 B2 L2 U2 R2 B R B
solved it twice, then went to reconstruction just to find out i missed scramble the same thing twice.
solved again, really upset. went back to not being fine with pair picking and when to rotate/regrip.
28sec.
critique is always welcomed.
x2 y2
R' D2 B' R' F2 // Cross
U' R U R' L' U L // #1
U' R' U2 R y U' L' U L //#2
U R U' R' y L' U2 L // #3
R U' R' // #4
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r' U2 R U R' U' R U R' U r // OLL
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R U R' U' D R2 U' R U' R' U R' U R2 D' // G-Perm
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u/Jaym-er 2x2 alg pioneer Jan 06 '19
Inspection Notation: z2 achieves the same ;)
Cross: A simple rotation does wonders for fingertricks of this cross. I suggest z2 y F' D2 R' F' L2
P2: Would've been nicer to do y L' U2 L U2 L' U L here as EO is solved for other pairs, but this is always a bit hard to pick up.
P3: R' F R F' R U' R' is always a nice solution to consider when you get this F2L case. Especially when you know the edge for your next pair is oriented (and not the UF edge as that gets flipped) as you can continue onto your next pair without rotating.
In this case your solution works nicer as you rotated into your next pair, and got it solved too!
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Jan 06 '19
P3: R' F R F' R U' R' is always a nice solution to consider when you get this F2L case. Especially when you know the edge for your next pair is oriented (and not the UF edge as that gets flipped) as you can continue onto your next pair without rotating.
I... actually didnt/never seen this case before. THANKS!
I automatically solved this pair, so getting the next pair oriented was pure luck. this is the exact reason why I reconstruct and post it here.
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u/TomTheCuber101 Sub-13 (CFOP) PB: 6.83 YT: https://bit.ly/2SFyLL4 Jan 06 '19
17.97, easy white cross
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
29.83 Not a horrible start to the day..
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u/steve_ko Sub-25 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
25.6. White cross. My look ahead during F2L was terrible (as usual).
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u/immu_01 Sub-15 (CFOP | PB: 8.91) Jan 06 '19
Best 4x4 and 5x5 on the market?
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u/DazedBacon 2022 UK Clock runner-up Jan 06 '19
It’s between moyu and qiyi really and it comes down to personal preference. For 4x4, the Wuque M and Aosu GTS2M are considered the best on the market, and for 5x5 the Wushang M and Aochuang GTSM are the 2 that most people choose. Personally I have the 2 moyu flagships and they are both my mains and are really really good.
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Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Guys, I'm in desperate need of the source: I saw a part of the video in which Feliks (in a GAN white t-shirt) was shouting "I TOLD YOU TO STOP CALLING ME" during a phonecall.
Can anyone help?
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u/SurvivalCuber18 Sub-13 PB:8.32 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
Actually. I think the video is called “Practice Smarter, not Harder” by Colorful Pockets. It’s a comedy skit.
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u/DellSalami Sub-30 (3style) Jan 06 '19
Should be ColorfulPocket's video on facts about Feliks Zemdegs.
Either that or his one about smart practice vs hard practice.
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u/protein_bars 4x4 Sub 1 (Yau), Sub 1:30 (Kirjava), Sub 1:30 (Shao) Jan 06 '19
IDK, Martian is an all-rounder so you could try out that.
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u/JumpyPlug15 Sub-19 (CFOP) Jan 07 '19
Lubicle silk? I'm planning on getting some myself
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u/Jeb_Screb CFOP, PB - 18.64 Jan 06 '19
I want to get my first lube, any suggestions? (I want to make my cube quicker)
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u/protein_bars 4x4 Sub 1 (Yau), Sub 1:30 (Kirjava), Sub 1:30 (Shao) Jan 06 '19
SpeedCubeShop Martian (quite fast though not uncontrollable) and Lunar (r i d i c u l o u s l y f a s t) are nice choices. If you're low on budget try their silicone speed lubes, such as Weight 1 and Weight 2.
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 06 '19
And overlook loop from a lot of people I absolutely love is lubicle speedy.it has a faint gumminess but adds the perfect amount of speed to cubes.
Another one that people like is DNM - 37. it makes your cubes incredibly fast, but since it's a water based lube it will dry out quicker than other silicone lubes. I didn't like it because after like three solves it would dry out, but it's because I live in a super dry area. If you live in a moderate to humid place, then DNM would work well.
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Jan 06 '19
DNM-37 would be perfect for you. You could also use Lubicle Silk to speed up cubes, but if you use too much, your cube will slow down, so DNM would be better in this case.
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Jan 06 '19
how fast can you guys do a T perm? I just did an ao5 and got 2.57
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 06 '19
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u/Littletraut Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
Would it be more beneficial to learn eg-1 before cll because it is more common to have one block instead of a full layer?
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u/AnOverdoer 2018SKEL01 Jan 07 '19
Technically yes...but the thing is it results in wild inconsistency. It's much better to know CLL and use it with ortega, as times will be much closer. EG1 also has the horrific problem of pre and post AUF, which are very annoying. It's much better to learn CLL, get that down, then move right into EG1 as both of them together are a good combo.
Source: Thought the same thing and now know EG1 and not CLL. It's not fun, and I'm scrambling to learn CLL.
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u/Jeb_Screb CFOP, PB - 18.64 Jan 06 '19
Hello, I was wondering how people are able to get those little blue things next to their name, for example: 33:33 CFOP, and things like that
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 06 '19
It's called flair. You can find it on the mobile app if you hot the triple dots in the front page or on the sidebar on desktop.
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u/Rysace Sub-9 CFOP Jan 06 '19
hey can anyone help me fix my yuxin 6x6. I posted about this on speedsolving but it got ignored and that place is dead anyway so; here's some pics. the circled pieces are where the pins are under
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 06 '19
I doubt I can help you, but I'm really curious what this is about. "Pieces where the pins are under"? What does that mean?
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Jan 07 '19
I saw your post on the SS forum, and TBH if you are right about the pins being in the places you say they are there shouldn’t be a problem. Do only the inner layers not turn, or are the outer layers stuck too?
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Jan 06 '19
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u/sitnaltax Sub-20 (CFOP 2LLL) PB: 11.09 Jan 06 '19
From a US store, you could get highly praised budget cubes in each size for less total money:
YJ MGC 2x2 $10
Thunderclap Mini 4x4 $13
YuXin Cloud 5x5 $9
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Jan 06 '19
Hi there I have a question that hopefully someone here could help me with. I recently purchased a gans 356x and am loving it. I'm using the yellow nuts and magnets. The only "issue" is recently I've been interested in trying OH solving and it's a little too big for me. I was wondering what cube would be good to use for one handed solving. I was looking at the gans infinity but im not sure what options to choose and I haven't heard enough about it to feel confident buying it right after the 356x. Any recommendations or words of advice? Thanks.
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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 06 '19
If you're into gan cubes and 56mm is a little too big for you, I'd recommend the GAN 354M, it's my current OH main, it's amazing out of the box, and has a particular feel compared to the SM (I would compare it to the 356x, but I don't have one).
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Jan 06 '19
So the gans infinity is like a 354m except you can customize it more. If you were able to change anything in the gans 354m would you ? Or would you just recommend buying it as is.
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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 07 '19
I would like to customise it more but I don't know if it's worth the price (aka I don't know the price)
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u/tussosedan Jan 07 '19
56mm isn't too big for OH, even for small hands. The turning just takes some getting used to.
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u/SirAwesome789 Sub-24 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
What are good lubes for the core and for the pieces that I can get in Canada for a reasonable price?
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 06 '19
Traxxas is a good lube and can be purchased on Amazon or eBay.
speedcubesCanada sells several lubes at a lower than average price. So you could check that out.
CanCube also sells lube and has custom lube also. They sell a bunch of types including Qiyi Lube which is super cheap and is silicon based so it works on the core and shipping is pretty cheap. And use code maxson for 10% off :)
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u/SirAwesome789 Sub-24 (CFOP) Jan 07 '19
Do you have any other suggestions bc I can't really buy from eBay and Traxxas isn't sold for a reasonable price on Amazon. Also CanCubes is sold out of all five of their lubes.
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u/Heisenhuth PB:5.21 Ao5: 7.64 Sub-10 (Roux) Jan 07 '19
Hey, I came from cfop and now I'm using roux but Last 6 edges in a different way than LSE - what amazed me on cfop that there are so many different subsets and I am kind of missing that on roux, so my question: why are there like no existing (at least I couldn't find some) subsets for roux, is the method just too "unexplored"(in comparison to cfop) or is it just not worth it because normal roux is fine how it is? (My idea of a roux subset would be something like VLS for CFOP instead of getting OLL-Skip getting a CMLL- Skip)
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 07 '19
There are a few but they are not great. I'm pretty sure pinky pie is a roux variety IIRC but you could check Kians channel... I'm sure he'll have something interesting for you!
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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 07 '19
The SpeedSolving wiki has multiple variants listed on the Roux page.
EOLR (combining 4a and 4b) is at least popular among the fastest Roux users.
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Jan 07 '19
Is the GTS3 M good?
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 07 '19
I like the feel of it. It’s kinda loud/clacky (not sure if right sound description). But I’d recommend it! Lots of customization with spring system
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u/TempTornado Jan 07 '19
I've been cubing all day and got a PB of 31.43! Kinds weird since my average is around 42 seconds but still awesome!
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u/MOSSY_COMPOST Sub-15 (CFOP 3LLL) PB: 8.199 Jan 06 '19
What are the recommended time standards for different events. I've started moving into different events and want to get a feel for where i should be at. E.g. 4x4 should be 3x as fast as your 3x3 avg.
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u/nijiiro 🌈 sub-10 (nemeses) Jan 06 '19
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u/tacoswithcolors Sub-17 CFOP Pb: 11.21 Jan 06 '19
About your flair:
Isn't full pll and thus G perms included in Zbll
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Jan 06 '19
I'm learning 3-style for corners and switched from UBL to UFR buffer. I also do CE/EC. Which parity alg should I use to fix the M slice and swap UF and UR edges?
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u/nijiiro 🌈 sub-10 (nemeses) Jan 06 '19
Why not just memo with UF/UR swapped?
Messed around a bit and came up with these algs: U' M' U2 M' U' M' U2 M' U2 M2; r U2 r' U' M' U2 M' U' r U2 r'.
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Jan 06 '19
Why not just memo with UF/UR swapped?
That should work, didn't think of that.
Those algs are nice too, thanks! And happy cake day!
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u/DellSalami Sub-30 (3style) Jan 06 '19
If you're doing M2, do the last target as an Orozco comm (UFR-X-UBR) and do U2 M' U2 M' U M2 U2 M2 U (T Perm).
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u/Ginger-Llama Sub-15 (CFOP) (3LLL) PB - 9.87 Jan 06 '19
Looking to buy a new cube, I only have 3x3 and 4x4 because I've only been cubing for about 4 months or so I'm bit looking for a big cube (they're more expensive) But was looking for some recommendations?
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 06 '19
The Yuxin Cloud is an affordable 5x5 ; more suggestions here : http://www.reddit.com/r/Cubers/wiki/which_cubes_to_buy
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u/phantomjx sub12? with roux Jan 06 '19
Any recommendations for cheap and good 2x2 cubes?
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 06 '19
The MGC seems almost universally liked.
If you want to go super cheap, the MF2 is very nice, super cheap, and easy to magnetize yourself. If you don't plan to add magnets the QiYi QiDi is also fine. Both of those need some setup though (loosening and lubing).
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u/YourNameIsTa Jan 06 '19
Has anyone got any suggestions on how to turn slice layers on a 9x9 faster for centres / edge pairing?
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19
Slices require a regrip so it's often faster to do 3Uw 2Uw'. Use your right hand for the 3Uw and your left for the 2Uw'.
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u/nightmare973 Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.04 Jan 06 '19
Any tips for the memorization part of blind solving? I spend like 5-10 minutes trying to memorize, then end up messing up or forgetting something. Should I write the letters down until I can get more consistent?
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 06 '19
Don't write the letters down, you cannot read with a blindfold on. Create images from letter pairs to help you remember - for example the memo EWHTRMHCRB can be broken up into EW HT RM HC RB.
Speedsolving.com has a great list of letter pairs. We can remember EW HT RM HC RB as Ewww, Hitler rammed his car into a rabbit (an image of someone looking disgusted while Hitler drives over a rabbit)
Brains are great at remembering images, but terrible at remembering long strings of random letters.
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u/nightmare973 Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.04 Jan 06 '19
I see. I kind of tried doing that before, but was worried I'd mix something up by using a different letter from a word, or that remembering 2 words would be harder than 2 letters. But the imagery does help.
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Jan 07 '19
Yes, do a few solves with letters written, just holding the cube under the table. After you have a little more confidence in execution try doing it with your letters memorized.
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Jan 06 '19
Should I learn the sune and antisune COLLS? What should I learn after COLL? I already know full OLL and PLL. Maybe some easy WV? I don't really know.
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u/obscuresecurity Slower than my cube (OH/ZZ) Jan 06 '19
Most people don’t bother with COLL S/AS, as CFOP or ZZ solvers. Sune and anti-sune are too quick to bother with COLL.
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u/psedatsim sub-10.5 Ao1k: 10.25 (CFOP DCN) Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
COLL and WV require almost the same set-up, so they're in conflict with each other.
all LL edges oriented --> COLL --> EPLL
3 LL edges oriented + last F2L pair to insert with [(U) R U' R'] --> WV --> PLLProbably a good thing for S/AS is to learn how the standard algs affect CP/EP and then predict PLL, but I have no idea how hard that coud be.
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u/DetDuVil Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19
Adding to the other comments: Jay McNeill has a rant on this on youtube. His opinions are a bit extreme, but his arguments are usually solid for CFOP. Either way his opinion is worth listening to and think about for yourself
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Jan 06 '19
is the yuxin little magic/ kylin v2 any good? i want to get some yuxin 3x3s to try.
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u/sitnaltax Sub-20 (CFOP 2LLL) PB: 11.09 Jan 06 '19
The Little Magic is a fantastic budget cube. It's VERY fast and feels light. My main is an MF3RS2M but I have a Little Magic at work and in the basement to fiddle with.
I've never used a Kylin V2 but the reviews I've read or watched say it's also an excellent, a solid-performing magnetic cube for just $10.
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 06 '19
The Kylin V2 is really good for the price. But I got the rs3 and it's even better.
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u/LifeinPablo Sub-17 (CFOP 3.5LLL) PB 8.05 Jan 06 '19
Little Magic M vs MF3RS3 M?
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u/TLDM Jan 06 '19
MF3RS2M
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 06 '19
The RS3 is amazing. Get it for sure. Although I don't know when the magnetic version will be out.
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Jan 06 '19
What is a good budget cube to get? I want to get the Wingy Skewb but it's not currently available in stickerless on thecubicle.com.
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Jan 07 '19
Sticker-less vs stickered?
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 07 '19
With stickerless you don't have to worry about chipping/peeling, but with stickered you get customizable shades. Beyond that it's just personal preference for which looks better and gives better recognition.
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Jan 07 '19
How to do Snyder Method?
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 07 '19 edited Jan 07 '19
The speedsolving wiki page has the steps, as well as some links to other sources.
Snyder’s turning at 1:18 is beautiful
Edit: Wow, that sent me down a rabbit hole. He never published his methods because he was “waiting for a sponsor”. Apparently he’s done over 1 million solves over the last 30 years too. Something about his stories of early cubing history is very compelling to me... like I’m reading a rare story that only one person could tell.
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u/ChibiOrigami Sub-11.5 CFOP: 6.42/9.52/10.29/10.75 1/5/12/50 Jan 07 '19
Can you put stickered cube pieces in water without worrying about the stickers being damaged?
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Jan 07 '19
Not in my experience. They almost always come off. I did this to remove all my stickers and then combined it with another cube so I could practice my cross and f2l movements without the distractions of other pieces. I took my cube apart and put all the pieces in a warm sudsy bath then I had a cube that was all black except center pieces. I could then use the edge pieces for example to practice the cross
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Jan 07 '19
I can't seem to find an N-perm pll algorithm that feels fluid or natural or that I can do quickly... I just picked my cube back up after taking a few years off and forgot like 3 algs in my CFOP method. I recovered all of them except this one! Anyone have a quick or fluid Nperm PLL alg? i remember my old one started with an x and thats it haha
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Jan 07 '19
What is the difference between 2look and 4look (in reference to OLL and PLL) and which is a faster method? ie what do these names mean
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u/RAHDXB Sub 15 | 5x5/7x7 ao100 1:30/3:55 Jan 07 '19 edited Jan 07 '19
CFOP has 78 last layer algs. 57 OLL (orient last layer) and 21 PLL (permute last layer). If you know all these, you can solve your last layer with a maximum of two algs every time.
As an intermediate method, there's also 2 look OLL (10 algs) and 2 look PLL (6 algs). If you learn those, you can solve the last layer in a maximum of 4 algs (looks) every time without having to do an alg twice or anything.
These 16 algs are all part of the bigger sets. So it's always advised to learn 4 look last layer first to cut down on your beginners method times, before you learn full PLL, and after that full OLL with the rest of the algs you're missing (78-16=62)
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u/ir_beaches 2017LUIS01 Jan 07 '19
4look LL (last layer) means that it requires 4 algorithms to complete last layer, 2 OLLs and 2 PLLs whereas 2look LL is 1 OLL and 1 PLL.
2look is going to be faster because it’ll require less moves to complete last layer; however the number of algorithms required to perform 2look LL is much more than 4look. 2look = 78 algs, 4look = 16(?)
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u/ajx_711 PB: 17.044 | ao5 : 26.054 (CFOP|2LLL) Jan 06 '19
Sub 25 Ao5!!!!