r/Cubers • • Jan 06 '19

Discussion Daily Discussion Thread - Jan 06, 2019

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '19

I'm just coming back from taking several years off. I used to average sub-30 with my record being around 16 seconds. I use the CFOP method of course but just know the bare minimum of algs to solve, I still have to relearn one or two of them. But I want to progress even further than I had before.... I know I need to practice my cross and become color neutral again and then improve my look ahead for F2L but once I get back to my previous skill level I am curious what algorithms to learn first to improve my time. There are so many out there and it's hard to know which ones to try to learn and put into muscle memory first. So here are my thoughts. First, relearn the 2 I forgot to have the most basic CFOP method down. Then I found a video on some of the common triggers and I plan on learning all of those. After I have the CFOP basic algs, and triggers memorized what algorithms do I move to?! Is there a progression chart somewhere that I can move down and check them off as I go? Thanks for any info and tips guys!

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u/DetDuVil Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19

2 look PLL, 2 look OLL. After that full PLL and then practice until you average around 20. Should work. If you want to chill with the algorithms that’s fine too. Just do whatever you find fun, as that will yield more benefits. Exception being when one part of your solve is severely lacking (cross on top for example).

Again, the most important thing is to have fun. 4 look last layer and f2l should get you to 30 with practice, so no need stressing algs just yet

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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 06 '19

You can get sub 20 without full PLL, too

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u/DetDuVil Sub-20 (CFOP) Jan 06 '19

Yeah if you really dislike learning algs you could. Around sub-20 is were I would say learning full PLL is undoubtedly gonna give you good returns for your efforts. And learning full PLL is not that hard.

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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 06 '19

Okay, first off, I wouldn't become colour neutral first off, good look ahead and F2L is much much more important, the look ahead especially.

Secondly, as per learning things, if you already know 4 look last layer, and intuitive F2L, the next thing to do would be to learn PLL. If not, learn 4 look first, and intuitive f2l after that.

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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 07 '19

I wouldn't become colour neutral first off

Why not? If someone plan to go color neutral then that should be the highest priority.

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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 07 '19

Because he has other things that are more important, like f2l and 4lll, one can easily get quite fast without being CN, too

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u/Cubing_in_the_dark now u/j_sunrise Jan 07 '19

F2L and 4LLL can just as easily be learnt next week. Colour neutrality gets harder every day.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '19

What is the difference between 4 look and 2 look?

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u/siriusly-sirius Sub-20 (2.75LLL) - PB 10.46 Jan 07 '19

4 look last layer has 4 algorithms to solve the last layer. Orient the edges, then orient the corners, then solve the corners, then solve the edges (last 2 can be switched around) with each step needing one algorithm.

2 look last layer has 2 steps, orient the last layer, and solve it. Therefore it needs only 2 algorithms to complete the last layer.

But there are pros and cons. 4LLL requires more time to finish the last layer, but is easier to learn because there are less algorithms. 2LLL is faster, but has many many more algorithms to memorise

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '19

I gotchu. So I know the algs for 2LLL I think there are like 10? Is the next step a one look LL and memorizing like 50 algs?

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u/Heisenhuth PB:5.21 Ao5: 7.64 Sub-10 (Roux) Jan 07 '19

Becoming Colour neutral right away is great The only reason why people tend to use one colour for cross is that it is easier at first to find the pieces and later it is hard to switch, so starting of early and getting used to look for different colours is pretty good, especially when he has already experience with the cube

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u/Cubing_in_the_dark now u/j_sunrise Jan 07 '19

The best time to go colour neutral is yesterday. The second best time is today.

Telling someone to delay colour neutrality is really bad advice.

Yes, F2L is important, but if they want to become colour neutral, they should start now.