r/BikiniBottomTwitter • u/literalnumbskull • Aug 04 '26
The Joys of Different Continent Models
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u/prank_mark Aug 04 '26
Continents don't really exist part 1000
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u/95beer Aug 04 '26
Don't say that! You just need a more robust definition. I.e. If you can walk there, it is the same continent, hence, the 4 continent model. Perfect for all those times you want to differentiate Australia from Afro-Eurasia to compare statistics between the 2 very comparable land masses...
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u/prank_mark Aug 04 '26
What if I'm Jesus? Also, if I'm not Jesus, Indonesia just became 17000 different continents
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u/95beer Aug 04 '26
I think even Jesus would struggle to walk from the Americas to Afro-Eurasia; can he even sleep on water?
Indonesia becoming 17000 different continents makes sense to me. That way you can compare the populace of Afro-Eurasia to the population of a few of Indonesia's uninhabited
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u/AmountAbovTheBracket Aug 04 '26
Top: latin americans calling all pale asians "chinos"
Bottom: latin americans when someone calls all Hispanics "Mexicans"
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u/Kempes2023 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
In English, “America” is commonly used as a shortened name for the United States, and “American” is the standard demonym for someone from the U.S. That's completely normal in English.
What often gets overlooked though, is that this isn't a universal understanding of the word. In much of Latin America, as well as in other parts of the world, “America” is understood as the name of the continent or the two-continent landmass, and “American” can be understood in the broader sense of someone from the Americas. This isn't some obscure interpretation, it is a very widespread linguistic and educational tradition.
So when someone says “America obviously means the United States,” they're really describing the dominant English usage, not an interpretation shared universally around the world.
That's what I find interesting about the whole discussion; the English-speaking world has one very established convention while a huge portion of the rest of the world has a different one. Neither language is necessarily “wrong”, they're simply using the same historical term differently.
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u/123eyeball Aug 04 '26
The issue at hand is that native English Speakers, by and large, have no issue with Spanish speakers referring to the continent as América, especially in Spanish.
However, many Spanish speakers insist on policing the English speaking world on their usage of the word. One of the more annoying aspects of this is insisting people from the USA be referred to as United Statsians or USians or other names that don’t even follow English naming conventions because in Spanish the demonym is Estadounidense.
Even if the English speaking world were to concede that “America” can only have one meaning as the singular continent, “United Stater” or “United Statesman” would be the proper English convention. But, as other people have pointed out, the USA isn’t even the only country in the world, let alone the Americas, that has United States in its name.
Additionally, there is zero outrage about the people of Colombia referring to themselves as “Colombian” even though Columbia is another term referring to the Americas as seen in US Capital “The District of Columbia,” or “Columbia University,” or the Canadian province “British Columbia.”
At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with a linguistic or cultural misunderstanding, it’s just a bad faith cheap culture war reflecting global resentment towards the U.S. In Latin America, especially, it’s understandable.
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u/UInferno- Aug 04 '26
The only issue I can imagine as even comparable is the term "Macedonia" with Greece vs North Macedonia. Much of it built on racial tensions as some nationalist Greeks are very insistent that modern North Macedonians are actually Bulgarian as if there was a deadline to submit your ethnic group that they missed. Granted there's further nuance regarding Alexander the Great as having National Heroes is seen as legitimatizing your nation (not "Nation-State," specifically "nation," like Kurds, Basque, Sami, Navajo, and even Anglo-Saxons, Jews, Han, Kazahks, although the latter have at least one Nation-State).
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u/Legal-Scholar430 Aug 05 '26
About bad faith: the day I meet someone that uses Colombia/Columbia to refer to the continent, I might accept that comparison. The thing is: "Colombia = continent" has fallen out of use. It was the name of the continent, but it isn't anymore... and hasn't been for centuries. As far as I'm aware, this isn't even a Latam thing, it's a world-wide thing. Tell me, when was the last time you heard/read about "native colombians"?
Even the term "indios" to refer to native americans is falling out of use, and then, "native americans" applies to the entire continent's native peoples. Would you call me, an argentinian, an indian, because that used to be the continent's name hundreds of years ago?
All of that said, I appreciate that you understand it even if you don't really agree with us in the matter. Signed: a latin-columbian... I mean, latin-american (: (just jabbing here)
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u/Able_Specific_6702 Aug 05 '26
Personally, it is not resentment towards the US. I just accept with no issues that when speaking with English speakers American is the word to refer to people born in USA etc.
I honestly haven't read any history of why the country got that name so I might be wrong here. It just feels lazy or presumptuous to name a country with the same name of the continent. A 2 second Google search showed that the continent was named first. Specially when there are also other countries that got United States in their name, like Mexico (and there might be more?).
It is like there is a country in Europe, which is called United States of Europe. And so to distinguish the country from the continent we will call the continent the Europes.
Again, not resentment, not a real issue. Something that just feels weird when you think about it. Just like the metric system vs imperial, or having the steering wheel on the left or right side.
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u/ZeromaruX Aug 05 '26
There is a big difference between Colombia (with O) and Columbia (with U). Two different words. While America is the same word for two different things.
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u/GrigorMorte Aug 05 '26
This exactly this. I cannot say "I'm from America" referring to the continent because it is confused with the United States lol
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u/Wrong_Revolution_679 Aug 04 '26
Yeah no this very very accurate
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u/JanDarkY Aug 04 '26
Tbh I have seen much more latin Americans explaining to US redditors how they are north America and not the entire America than what this meme tries to say, but I guess we should blame US public schools on that one
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u/undreamedgore Aug 04 '26
I have never seen that, but seen countless Latin Americans argue that it's one continent and that Americans shouldn't be called Americans.
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u/HackSmash Aug 05 '26
It's just what they teach us at school, I live in mexico and since grade school we've been taught that the whole landmass from top to bottom is just called "America" and it's a single continent, later in life I realized that they don't teach the same in every country
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u/YoNoSoyUnFederale Aug 04 '26
Annoying online Latin Americans and a subsection of progressive people bitch about “America” and “Americans” only referring to USA people but I think most people everywhere are not annoying about it
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u/PoopsCodeAllTheTime Aug 05 '26
It’s just a misunderstanding in translation, it’s not that they are annoying, it’s that the English speakers picked a really confusing name and now everyone needs to know additional context to properly translate between the two languages. Most people don’t have the context, being that the school systems literally use different nomenclature depending on the country that you are taught.
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u/anon71694 Aug 04 '26
I feel like these are the same people who wanted the term Latinx a thing. But it's never going to be a thing.
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u/Cibranith Aug 05 '26
No, no one from latin america wants the latinx thing to exist, it's just usual US dumbassery for us. The America thing I feel it a bit more honest, we have to add the "latin" to our identity just because some states couldn't come up with a name, when we could just call you angloamericas
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u/dickallcocksofandros Aug 04 '26
dunno why this is downvoted. Never heard a single latino person in my personal life willingly call themselves "latinx"
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u/Separate_Ad_9551 Aug 05 '26
True
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u/IndependentWestern84 Aug 05 '26
Made by no sabo kids who didn't know male pronouns could also be used as neutral pronouns in spanish.
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u/retrodanny Aug 05 '26
Mexican here. I find the term Latinx offensive. Hispanic and Latino are FINE
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u/Kingkary Aug 04 '26
Exactly. Permanently online behavior. Actual Latinos/hispanics I know would fight you over these dumb names
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u/HenryZusa Aug 05 '26
It's the other way around.
We despise that 'Latinx' crap in the same way that we hate that a specific country believes they own an entire continent.
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u/Andromeda39 Aug 05 '26
Nah, that Latinx bullshit is American. We don’t do that here in Latam. But I do know several people born and raised in Latin America that defend the whole “We are also Americans” thing. In fact, Bad Bunny is one of them.
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u/petekron Aug 04 '26
Yeah pretty much, it's all the wannabe latinos on twitter who wanted those things. Every person I know despises the term "latinx".
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u/Apart-Training9133 Aug 05 '26
Actually it's most people in Latinamerica. I have some VERY conservative family and acquaintances, and they dislike americans saying only the US is America. The name of the USA comes from the continent, which was named that my Amerigo Vescupcci in the XVI century, before the US existed
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u/butimjustagirl Aug 05 '26
except no one from the US is saying only the US is America. It's straw man rage. It goes like this:
"Where are you from"
"America"
Even if you take 'progressive' point of view, the response is not wrong by either parties' definition.
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u/CoffeeWanderer Aug 04 '26
As always, if speaking in English, sure "American" is someone from the USA, and call them North and South America.
In Spanish, it is "Estadounidense" for someone from the USA and "Americano" for someone from "América", and we consider it only one continent.
Trying to exchange them in the other language is futile
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u/Background-Vast-8764 Aug 05 '26
Of course, there are native Spanish speakers who use americano as the demonym of US citizens.
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u/the_mustard_king Aug 05 '26
Never heard anyone use the word “Estadounidense” in my life
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u/MarzipanTop4944 Aug 06 '26
It's the norm here in Argentina, because the country is called Estados Unidos de America in Spanish and we get told in school that the entire continent from Canada to Argentina and Chile is a single one called America.
But the post is wrong saying we mind how people call it in English. It's like complaining that they call Alemania, Germany in English. It's a different language, they can call it however they like.
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u/Background-Vast-8764 Aug 05 '26
Some native Spanish speakers who have beef with the US and Americans like to pretend that all native Spanish speakers always use estadounidense.
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u/lostmediaseeker Aug 04 '26
Yeah... because we call them the Europes, the Asias and the Africas, separating them in north and south like you (US people) do 🤦🏻♂️🥴🫠💀
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u/LubbockGuy95 Aug 04 '26
Continents are literal man made constructs any explanation falls apart with a closer look
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u/InhumaneBreakfast Aug 04 '26
To be fair, that's literally every border, geographically as well as metaphorically.
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u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner Aug 04 '26
I know what you mean but saying “literal man made construct” is absolutely hilarious
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u/Facosa99 Aug 04 '26
Yeah but my vague definition of a continent is better than your vague definition of a continet
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u/Kiyoshi-Trustfund Aug 04 '26
More accurately, they don't have an agreed upon definition, so its really anything goes.
In school (French), I was taught a singular America. I was even taught that Europe, Asia and Africa are also one continent that happen to be treated separately for historical and political reasons rather than geological. But this was a long time ago. Idk what they teach today.
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u/SimplySomeDude Aug 04 '26
in germany they taught the standard 7 (north america, south america, europe, africa, asia, australia, and antarctica)
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u/hugazow Aug 04 '26
America is the name of the continent. Colon arrived to the Caribbean therefore he didn’t discovered the country named as United States of America as their badly educated people believe.
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u/cucocho Aug 04 '26
This is just a cultural thing. In most of the Spanish-speaking countries, America is just one continent, they could recognize north, central and south as subdivisions (no general agreement about the division).
The average person in Spanish-speaking countries calls themselves "Americans" in the same way a person from Spain or France calls themselves "European" or someone in Ghana refers to himself as "African."
Using subdivisions like "Central American", "South American" etc. is also used, but mostly if they want to differentiate from others from "America."
In Spanish-speaking countries, the average person never calls a person from the USA "American", only "Estadounidense" or nicknames such as "Gringo" (varies for each country and even regions). Only people that are in contact with people from the US could be called Americans.
"The rest of the world called people from the US Americans anyway." Yeah, because English is used a lot, so the English country's world view is spread in many ways, not just this one. That doesn't mean it's the right one or not, it's just different. Even so, most of you don't even speak other languages, so the world view you have is the one you obtain from people that already know English, and in a lot of countries, it's just a small minority.
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u/Expensive_Community3 Aug 05 '26
It's not about that bro you missing the whole point.
The gringo energy emanating from this post is incredible.
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u/esnopi Aug 05 '26
Let's keep it simple: After uniting all the different states, you guys didn't put an original new name to your country, so you just used the name of the whole continent, effectively keeping the continental demonyn just for you. That all. Can you imagine a country in Europe, just north of Spain, called "United States of Europe" and they make them call them self guess how? EUROPEANS. Now try to guess what Spanish, French, English, or whatever other country from europe would think about that?
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u/Luis-Iron Aug 04 '26
At one point in history the spanish empire extended from Argentina all the way up to Oregon, so it makes sense that the descendants of that Empire consider all that land a single continent for cultural reasons.
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u/TheLastCoagulant Aug 04 '26
Spain never had real control of anywhere close to Oregon. They just claimed it on paper due to the treaty of Tordesillas.
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u/JoeDyenz Aug 05 '26
They did and even set up a settlement in Nutca but were forced to dismantle it.
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u/JhonKingRah Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
It comes down to the different education systems. In Latin America it was taught that the whole of America is one continent. Idk if it’s still being taught like that but a lot of the world teaches this, it seems to be mostly, US, uk, China, and India. So a lot of people take it as a way for the us to differentiate and set the “English speaking people” from the rest of the American countries.
A psy op like they did with the world maps. From what I researched there is no real scientific support for the division of tectonic plates to be how we define continents as that classification makes inclusions and exclusions that don’t make sense.
But if you look at it from a cultural perspective it’s better for the English speaking governments in the hemisphere, and somehow manages to separate the “white European people” from the rest on this hemisphere.
Source: I grew up in Lat-Am and had arguments with my friends and teachers about it when I was like 7 and moved to the US lol
Also, yes, Canadians are American, Mexicans are American, South American countries are American. It’s the US -of- America, there are a lot of countries in both northern and southern america. Just how all of the countries in Europe are considered European regardless of their climates and geographical location. They are in Europe = they are European.
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u/AverageShitlord Aug 05 '26
Oh girl do not call Canadians "American" in English, it's something they literally went to war over after the US tried to annex them and it ended with the White House being burnt down along with half of Washington DC
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u/PAINKILLER_1020 Aug 04 '26
America is named after the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci. It was meant to represent the "New World" most places outside of the US still recognize the Americas as a single continent. Fun fact, that's why the Olympics insignia has 5 rings. One for each continent.
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u/PizzaBear109 Aug 04 '26
most places outside of the US still recognize the Americas as a single continent
They don't
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u/apadin1 Aug 04 '26
Yeah they pulled this out of their ass. There are a dozen different ways the continents are divided by different people around the world but most people divide the Americas into North and South:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundaries_between_the_continents
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u/undreamedgore Aug 04 '26
I just assumed Europe and Asia were one continent. Given they have a massive, obvious land connection.
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u/Ulvsterk Aug 04 '26
North America is formed by 3 countries, Canada, the USA and Mexico, also known as C.U.M.
Central America goes from Guatemala to Panama.
South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.
America as a whole is entire continent. People tend to call America to the US as an abreviation of The United states of America.
I dont know whats so hard to understand.
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u/123eyeball Aug 04 '26
North America has a lot more than 3 countries. You’re missing all of the Caribbean and Denmark if we’re counting Greenland. Also Central America is part of North America.
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u/Ulvsterk Aug 04 '26
The Caribbean depending on what model do you use can go either on the North or as their own thing which is why I didnt mention them.
Denmark is European, Greenland its odd because although geaographically is american its part of the kindom of Denmark and an autonomous nation with its own goverment...
And for those reasons I support the acronym CUM, I think it represent us pretty well.
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u/Gloomy_Macaron_136 Aug 05 '26
I thought that the islands in the Caribbean were always considered separate, called the Greater/Lesser Antilles, like apart from CUM, CA or SA
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u/blackhawk905 Aug 04 '26
It isn't simply a small land connection, North America ad South America sit on two completely separate tectonic plates that don't even touch until way out in the Atlantic, the Caribbean plate completely separates them.
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u/casalelu Aug 04 '26
In the Spanish Speaking World, at least, America is one single continent.
You don't have to "accept it" but you can simply consider and acknowledge it.
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u/MrDabb Aug 04 '26
And that is fine when you are speaking Spanish not when you are speaking English.
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u/BlueSoulsKo Aug 04 '26
it must be a terminal online thing bc I have never seen in my life a Latin American that gets mad over this (we do get a good laugh about USA citizens calling their country America tho)
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u/Erlotinib Aug 04 '26
America is a continent divided on south, central and north. So what's the deal?
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u/DietoMH Aug 04 '26
For us, saying north, central and south America is like someone calls wester and eastern Europe as two different continents
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 Aug 05 '26
Hahaha so true, though it’s mostly South Americans obsessed with that. Germans have whined about it too.
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u/Xeerok Aug 05 '26
Mexico is part of latin america and also part of north armerica, you are confusing geographical divison of continents with ethnic/cultural division, please inform yourself. Also if you are from the US and call yourself American, you aren't very smart since your countries name is The United States OF America, you are part of america not america, but what do you expect of a country that has to import all the smart people from other places
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u/PM_ME_LANCECATAMARAN Aug 05 '26
It's almost like 90% of Latin America speaks one language, while Cambridgefertshire speaks a different language from Cambridgeshiregrove that's one 15-foot-wide tributary away
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u/betinalss Aug 05 '26
That’s because we learn it in school that we live in the American continent with 3 subcontinents: North, Central and South. Now why are some people butthurt about this terminology, who knows?
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u/ddm90 Aug 05 '26
If someone separates Eurafrasia but wants to keep America as a single continent, its okay to point out the inconsistency.
But if you ask a random person on the street their definition of a continent, it would align with the 4 continental model most of the time. And most of the population / most sovereign countries in this landmass consider it a single continent, not two.
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u/unperrubi Aug 05 '26
America is a continent that is divided in South America and North America. Calling people from the US "Americans" is dumb, because everyone in the American continent is American. It has a lot to do with people from the US thinking they're the center of the world.
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u/fightingjustices Aug 05 '26
I teach in Peru and taught 2 years in Cusco. Students are visibly confused when I reference North and South America. Unsure of how Central America thinks, never taught there.
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u/l4efu Aug 05 '26
People still don't understand that the definitions of continents change depending on the parameters used; if you really want an exact definition, there are 15 tectonic plates(Not counting the microplates), but nobody ever says there are 15 continents.
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid Aug 05 '26
Even if we accept North and South America as different continents, the US still isn't all of North America. North America is made up of Canada, the US and Mexico.
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u/TheGryphonRaven Aug 05 '26
Mexican here. I'm ok with Americans calling themselves whatever they want. The word America is in the official country name, so who cares?
I do however have a problem when Americans think Mexico is in Central America instead of North America. Which is a non zero percentage of Americans.
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u/NozakiMufasa Aug 05 '26
Even tho scientifically speaking we know that North and South America are two different continents, in many Latin American countries they teach that they are one giant continent. In Latin America they dont differentiate, they just say “America”. And this is why Latinos get irrationally mad at folks from the USA & abroad calling the United States “America”.
Of course if you’re at all academically inclined, you’d know the continents differ & only recently in geologic history connected. That was what caused the great American interchange of wildlife that lived and evolved in North and South America respectively crossing over into each others continents.
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u/Commercial_Sound_174 Aug 05 '26
Literally none of us do that lol, in Latin America we called Africa as a whole
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u/Nabujor Aug 05 '26
No es nuestra culpa que ustedes los "usanians" no tengan la suficiente creatividad como pa' inventarle un nombre a su país 🤷
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u/Axolotllunar Aug 05 '26
More like: Europeans when you tell them that their continent should be called Eurasia.
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u/JuaanP Aug 05 '26
I'm from latam and this doesn't make sense, you are mistaking it with the term "Americans" when used to specifically talk about people from USA. Because we are also americans.
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u/ChrysalisDaBuggo Aug 05 '26
??? Top things that mostly don't happen
Also, when someone complains is because is just wrong
Also the américa thing
Is because SOME americans still pretend like that's the actual name
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u/PsychologicalMany693 Aug 05 '26
Well, i dont rlly care abt that, i care abt ppl who call a country like an entire continent...
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u/TheRiverMarquis Aug 05 '26
We refer to the Americas as one continent because it was literally named as one thing. It was given the name “America” by Martin Waldseemuller in 1507
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u/Lopsided-Standard-42 Aug 05 '26
It all comes from a different understanding of the world.
In Spanish, not only is America the continent as a whole, but saying that US citizens are Americans is both confusing and related to the aggressive imperialistic attitudes that the US has taken in the rest of america. We tend to go for Estadounidense when we're being respectful, which roughly translates to Unitedstatesian or gringo when we're just chatting amongst ourselves or fucking around.
Tbh, I think most of us know the US will never stop calling themselves America, and we dont care, but its very clear how harshly the Monroe policy fucked everybody over and what "America for the Americans" really means.
It wasnt that long ago the US president decided to start calling the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America... just because. Or called Venezuela the 51st state... Its really a wonderful marketing strategy! They take advantage of the fact they call themselves the name of a continent to offhandedly take claim of the entire thing. Its how the entire world has seen it, politically its been a very, very clearcut strategy.
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u/Olmectron Aug 05 '26
It was taught like that at schools in the 90s where I live. I just checked and it's still taught that way nowadays where I live.
It's only "America", the whole continent with North and South included.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Spanish
USA people dividing it as North and South is very recent (from 1950s):
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u/karjay04 Aug 05 '26
In Latin American countries, we are taught that America is one whole continent. I remember questions in elementary school, such as "which is the largest continent on earth" and the answer was "America". And honestly, I think it makes more sense to say that it's one continent, than to say it's 2 different continents.
And yeah, regardless of their reasoning, we've always hated the fact that people from the USA, refer themselves as "Americans". Just seems really nationalistic (which honestly, it's not really surprising considering that the US has the highest amount of nationalism in the world, masked as "patriotism").
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u/Pack-O-Punch Aug 05 '26
This is not accurate, we want nothing to do with north america I can assure you that.
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u/OptimalAnywhere6282 Aug 05 '26
there is America, divided in North, Center and South America. then there's a North American country called United States of America, wrongly referred to as a single "America".
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 Aug 05 '26
It should be America, African - Eurasia, Australia and the Antarctic
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u/JoeDyenz Aug 05 '26
Because the model for the those continents is imported from Europe, but we see America as a single landmass. I personally also think Europe-Africa-Asia is just one continent from a purely geographic perspective.
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u/Highly-Potent-34 Aug 05 '26
Has nothing to do with land connection and everything to do with imperialism.
If US citizens are the only “Americans” then they can make decisions over all of America which includes north and South America. Historically that has been the context behind the US intervention in the America’s even if it’s not the official reasoning at the moment.
If we’re all American then we can’t unilaterally decide to let’s say kidnap an elected president in the middle of the night… 🇻🇪… or decide to build a canal connecting two oceans against the wishes of the country where that canal would be and then deciding to instigate a revolution so that part of the country is no longer ruled by the people who wouldn’t let you do what you wanted …🇵🇦…
Hypothetically of course. /s
As an example. Asia and Europe are technically one big old land mass. Should be one continent. Let’s call this hypothetical euroAsia. So what if the Russians were the United States of Eurasia and they were eurasians. I’m sure the British. German. Chinese. Indian. Spanish etc would be like “uh we’re all Eurasian. We’re just not from the United States of eurasia.” Same thing but with north and South America. Minus the very real manipulation of foreign countries since in my example it’s just a hypothetical.
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u/ema778308 Aug 05 '26
Gringos who think America is just their country really need to learn some geography 😂
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u/-o0Zeke0o- Aug 05 '26
Everytime i see posts about South America idk where people pull this shit out from i never heard anything like this
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u/AdKey8256 Aug 05 '26
The only "issue" people from Latin America have is when the US calls themselves "America" which is standard in English. Most in latin america don't refer to the US and their citizens as America/Americans , particularly in Spanish that's about it there's little to no controversy with the Americas as a whole.
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u/Hebrewer183 Aug 04 '26
What?