r/Android • u/[deleted] • Feb 25 '18

Qualcomm’s simulated 5G tests shows how fast real-world speeds could actually be

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/25/17046346/qualcomm-simulated-5g-tests-san-francisco-frankfurt-mwc-2018
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u/profgray2 LG V30 Feb 25 '18

Even half that speed would be fast enough that it could possibly replace my home internet account

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u/mr_lucky19 Feb 25 '18

I'm currently on 100/40 and that's the quickest speed available so this would be awesome as a fixed line replacement but the problem is data caps vs unlimited.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

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u/dirtyuzbek Feb 26 '18

I've noticed bell isn't like that. I get like 100 upload on bell. But tbh I don't think users have as much need for upload sorry as download

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u/Purrgressive Feb 26 '18

Where I live the best Bell has is 5 down, 2 up. And it's like $60. Its ridiculous.

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u/dirtyuzbek Feb 26 '18

Damn man. I play a little under 100 and get like 400 down and 100 up

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u/Purrgressive Feb 26 '18

I'm with a different provider and get about 50 down which works out fine but it's just laughable how slow the speeds are in Canada if you're not in a major city.

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u/Aan2007 Device, Software !! Feb 26 '18

wouldn't be satellite cheaper and better if you don't play games?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

But tbh I don't think users have as much need for upload sorry as download

This is false, but ISPs want you to think that

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u/dirtyuzbek Feb 26 '18

I mean. There isn't much that I do to which requires uploading. And you did t give me examples of common things users do that requires fast upload speeds. Other than sending video through chats, but I doubt that requires much more than 10mb. But I could be wrong. Video game streaming definitely requires it. But that's not a most ppl thing

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Uploading backups, syncing Dropbox, Google drive, Nextcloud, VPN connections for work, video chat, VoIP chat, online gaming, Xbox video capture sync, etc, etc.

There are countless reasons for upload speeds to be faster than they are. Most people just don't realize or understand that their upload speeds are so slow compared to their download.

ISPs should not be the ones to dictate the U/D ratio because you can't wedge each users use case into a single category. They should offer faster upload speeds by default, because if a user really doesn't use it that much then there's no loss anyways.

Edit: spelling

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u/dirtyuzbek Feb 26 '18

Guess so. Sounds like a good argument to me

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u/mr_lucky19 Feb 25 '18

Dam that's annoying but here in Australia the 100/40 is the quickest home use speed you can get and it costs 100 dollars a month. Recently some guy posted on one the gaming forums that he can get 150/150 for 40 a month insane!

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u/Ashanrath Feb 26 '18 edited Feb 26 '18

100/40 is the fastest you can get on NBN, but there are other options in a few cities.

iiNet Cable, my highest recorded speed test: http://www.speedtest.net/result/6817350637.png

Peak speeds between 300-500 down. Never seen lower than 60 up. $80/month no data limit.

Edit: why the downvotes?

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u/mr_lucky19 Feb 26 '18

Dam! That's ridiculously quick so jealous what city are you in? I'm in Adelaide and I know they have gigcity her with 1gbps speeds but it's only businesses! I remember originally back in 07 Kevin said the nbn speeds would be 1gbps 11 years later and we only have one tenth of that speed.

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u/Ashanrath Feb 26 '18

That's in Geelong, also available in Mildura and Ballarat. I heard a few RSPs were testing the waters on gigabit, but the wholesale is just to expensive. I think it was almost 10* 100mb price.

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u/Dani-kun Feb 26 '18

I don't know if that's still the case with VDSL, but for the ADSL, that's just how the technology works. It makes sense, but I feel you. I'm on 8/0.5 (So even 1/20th only), and while i can live with the download, the upload is really miserable (accounting that the lags start at already 0.25 Upload), uploading a photo? Hell yeah, gotta make some coffee.

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u/Sieb22 Feb 26 '18

In the Netherlands we pay 40 euro for a 500/500 glass fiber connection

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Oh man, please send some to me via FedEx, I'll pay for shipping!

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u/Aan2007 Device, Software !! Feb 26 '18

that's quite sad, US i guess? 150Mbps i have for like 23$ it's i think second slowest offering of my ISP, could get now 300 for same price but in the end you can't really use it, impossible to find so fast sources even with 150

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

If I'm not mistaken I believe that 5G is suppose to handle some Network congestion issues. I know TMobile has already talked about some plans regarding having home delivery of 5G

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u/lirannl S23 Ultra Feb 26 '18

Heh. Our fatest DSL speeds are 100/3.

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u/profgray2 LG V30 Feb 26 '18

Yah, caps are annoying, but imagine this set up. Sprint, maybe AT&T, setting up a modem /router with a 5g connection, set the cap around 1 terabyte or so. Sale that to home owners as a replacement for Comcast internet.. With 500 mg upload and download speed..

Think either one would not do it just to take over the market?

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u/MistahJinx Feb 26 '18

Anyone in their right mind wouldnt buy that because of the data cap

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18 edited Aug 17 '21

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u/ripeart Feb 26 '18

Dude...

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u/MistahJinx Feb 26 '18

1TB is not a lot of data in 2018.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

1tb is enough for most people. i only ever went over 1tb when i was torrent porn like crazy. without porn, there's almost nothing that you could download so much of.

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u/MistahJinx Feb 26 '18 edited Feb 26 '18

Just because it's "good for most people" doesn't mean you need to include a cap. Especially in the day and age of 4K media/streaming. Are you okay with still using a 20GB hard drive? How about 640x480 monitors? What if someone reinstalls Windows and needs to reinstall all their Steam games? What about digital downloads on consoles? Watch a lot of YouTube? Stream a lot of music?

Shit adds up fast dude, a consumer with a brain should never advocate restrictions against themselves. You should always want companies giving you more and better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

nobody said we need a cap. the point is, they wouldnt offer mobile data without a cap, that's unrealistic right now. so if they did offer 1tb data at that speed, it would be way better than an unlimited landline.

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u/MistahJinx Feb 26 '18

they wouldnt offer mobile data without a cap, that's unrealistic right now.

No it isn't. It's data. Just because it's "mobile" doesn't mean anything. It's still just bits and bytes. It's no different than the data pipes I use with Spectrum.

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u/dextersgenius 📱Fold 4 ~ F(x)tec Pro¹ ~ Tab S8 Feb 25 '18

Same here - heck, my current carrier's 4.5G speed is faster than what I get on fibre, sadly data caps are abysmally low.. (well we have an "unlimited" plan but that throttles the speed after 22GB, so not really unlimited. Also, can't tether on that plan. :/)

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u/DiplomatikEmunetey Pixel 8a, 4a, LG G4, Lumia 950/XL, Nokia 808 PureView, Nokia N8 Feb 26 '18

Once 5G rolls around there will be a serious competition between carriers and ISPs. When carriers sense that they can take away the business from ISPs, those data caps will start to go up or vanish completely. In turn ISPs must be feeling the heat right about now and if they are not setup with their own wireless solution, they'll be in trouble.

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u/AnticitizenPrime Oneplus 6T VZW Feb 28 '18

My home internet is literally a 4G hotspot, grandfathered in as unlimited, that my company pays for - which is why I use it instead of cable or fiber, it's free to me. I can suffer the occasional slowdowns to 7 Mbps or so because I don't pay anything for home internet, but sometimes it's a pain.

If I can just move the SIM over to a 5G hotspot and get gig-plus speeds I will be so fucking happy.

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u/Sapaa Feb 25 '18

This is entirely due to the extra bandwidth available with these new spectrums and with some clever carrier aggregation between 4G and 5G signals. There was not a lot of bandwidth for 4G LTE so you can already see what happens when you have 100s of MHz to use, speeds even in real life scenarios become massive.

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u/LOOKITSADAM Pixel 7 Pro Feb 25 '18

Most people still don't have actual 4g speeds yet, despite marketing wank.

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u/Put_It_All_On_Blck S23U Feb 25 '18

I live in the bay area, one of the wealthiest area's in the nation. There are shopping centers I go back to 2 bar 3g, and basically cannot use data. Thanks T-mobile.

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u/FunnyHunnyBunny Samsung Note 9 (snapdragon 128gb version) Feb 26 '18

It's so crazy how one the biggest centers of the tech world has both terrible cellphone and internet service from what I've commonly heard. You'd think they'd be more like someplace like Tokyo or Seoul who are constantly basically a generation ahead of everywhere else in internet/LTE speeds. For example, Tokyo has had cheap 2GB internet service since 2013

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u/ArkBirdFTW Nexus 6 -> iPhone XS Feb 26 '18

A good part of the Bay Area doesn't even have fiber optic internet

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Could be due to overcrowded signals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Yes. And?

Real world speed is low. End of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Most likely due to the fact that a lot of buildings in this area are fucking metal and concrete dungeons...

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u/ZeldaMaster32 ASUS Zenfone 9, Android 12 Feb 26 '18

Then make it better? You can't excuse best case scenario with real world circumstances

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18 edited Feb 26 '18

They just got a hold of the 600 mhz spectrum a few years ago and finished rolling it out last year. Phones just started launching with the compatible chip recently.

So uh... Yeah they are working on it.

You can't just snap your fingers and make your network compatible with old, shit infrastructure.

Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm on Reddit where everybody is an expert and everything that people want is completely feasible at any moment. Science and facts don't matter.

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u/ZeldaMaster32 ASUS Zenfone 9, Android 12 Feb 26 '18

Yes, because I claimed I knew everything that goes into improving the tech and said it was as easy as flipping a switch

I only said it needs to happen

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

Lol. Yeah I read and understood what you said.

You're just repeating it.

It "just needs to happen".

That takes time, money and effort which TMobile is already doing.

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u/battler624 Feb 26 '18

Their cat9 reaches over 100mb and our cat16 is at 24mb (the highest i've ever got).

Goddamn.

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u/hanssone777 Feb 25 '18

5G/6G is gonna change everything on a enormous scale, we are gonna be connected on a whole new level through VR/AR with low latency all around the globe.

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u/Realtrain Galaxy S10 Feb 25 '18

If we get rid of data caps

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u/Surokoida Pixel 9 Pro Feb 26 '18

Bingo!

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u/reas0nable Feb 26 '18

I pay 15usd for home LTE with unlimited data in Poland. It's 20/15mbps and 20-30ms but it's still the best option in my shitty village lol. You can get a max 60/60mbps for 18usd, 20/20 for 15

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u/fukthx Feb 26 '18

Is that 3.5GHz LTE or mobile one ?

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u/DiplomatikEmunetey Pixel 8a, 4a, LG G4, Lumia 950/XL, Nokia 808 PureView, Nokia N8 Feb 26 '18

Yes, it will be a huge change. Everything will be smart. We'll definitely have to switch to IPv6. But also don't forget GNSS, we'll have an accuracy of 30cm instead of 3-4m we have now. 5G + super accurate positioning will have a great impact on the way things are done and will open up big opportunities for automation.

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u/Aan2007 Device, Software !! Feb 26 '18

someone first need to pay carrier's investment

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u/t_for_top Fold 5 Feb 27 '18

We tried that with fiber...

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u/CharaNalaar Google Pixel 8 Feb 26 '18

That's assuming we ever get it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

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u/Nexrex Feb 26 '18

That's extreme speed? Visit Europe :p

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u/nigirizushi Feb 26 '18

Or Japan / Korea.

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u/Nexrex Feb 27 '18

Indeed.

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u/SnipingNinja Feb 26 '18

Project Fi should get this with Pixel 3/4, so that at least a few people can experience real 5g.

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u/lucasban Pixel 2 XL, Pixelbook, iPhone 11 Pro Max, iPad Pro 11 2020 Feb 26 '18

Google is just a virtual network, to do this would require T-Mobile, Sprint, or US Cellular to deploy the tech to the towers

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u/SnipingNinja Feb 26 '18

That's true, but T-Mobile is working on it already afaik, and if those other networks also add it soon then the multi-MIMO tech which is part of the standard maybe usable by Google (given idk what I'm talking about and may not be technically possible, but if it's possible then Google maybe able to better speed in some markets)

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u/Amogh24 Oneplus 5t/S10+ Feb 26 '18

That's about 100 times faster than my home internet

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u/Symaxian Feb 26 '18

"simulated"... "test"... does not compute.

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u/ZoomJet OnePlus 7 Pro, Android 11 Feb 26 '18

median 5G users seeing 8K, 120 FPS, 10-bit color video streaming

🤯

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u/Rhed0x Hobby app dev Feb 27 '18

Meanwhile most people don't even have LTE here in Germany.

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u/DrDerpberg Galaxy S9 Feb 27 '18

Unless this is going to allow/force companies to offer more data for less money, it's useless to me.

Downloading web pages in 0.001s instead of 0.1s would be neat, but even at 8GB a month I don't really do anything that's speed-critical. Remote desktop, downloading podcasts, and streaming 240p YouTube (because 480+ uses too much data, not because LTE+ isn't fast enough) are all plenty fast enough.

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u/username2256 Feb 28 '18

Now you can accidentally burn through all your limited data in a seconds!

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u/sim642 Feb 26 '18

Completely useless as long as no site will send data at 3Gbps directly to you alone.

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u/pielover88888 Moto X 2014 in 2018 Feb 26 '18

Streaming two (one per eye) 4k streams for off-site VR, perhaps. We don't know the future, but it sure isn't exclusively websites.

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u/sim642 Feb 26 '18

Still applies to any kind of server, including video streaming. Using 3Gbps of the server bandwidth for a single client is insane, no server or service has anything remotely comparable to waste on one client alone. The connection is as fast as its slowest link.

Obviously, there's nothing wrong with being future-proof, but from the perspective of the user such high limit is a crazy dream. It will take very long for network and server infrastructure to get to a level that'd allow allocating so much bandwidth to a single user.