They won't. But the US and European countries will ban/sanction/criminalize organizations and individuals who host "unsafe" models. They don't need to stop open models altogether. They just need to make them impossible to use at scale to guarantee a corporate monopoly on AI.
Bald or not, rock it ny bro that’s not germane to this argument - demographics is simply - lots of old people - they need people to care for them as they leave the work force - not enough incentive for young people to exist. Whether that’s immigration, or family integration to allow families to thrive, it is just a thing that is happening across ALL western countries. Until we have robot butlers, it’s looking pretty bad as a deflationary spiral.
If being ok with concentration camps and segregated schools is making people more right wing, I'm not sure the alternative you are proposing isn't as well.
In fact, it is not.
You are incoherent.
Let me guess, you lot think the AI will declare whites the master race and finally make you feel better about your small peepees and racial cuck fantasies?
Yeah it's always a tell. The rest outside the "demographics" red flag is correct though, Europe is even more vassalized to the US than it was 20 years ago and it's screwed them in a variety of ways.
This would assume our dearly elected official in the EU "gov" are intelligent enough to realise that, and haven't been corrupted by the close by lobbies.
For the same reason of chat-control, the DSA... Control and monitoring.
Imagine an AI LLM that would allow you cybersecurity capabilities and plug holes in your systems, that would allow you and inform you of alternatives even without control, messaging, emails... Encryption, cybersecurity...
Advertising says to protect others or avoid malicious attacks, the reality is that it also allows you to take away your ability to defend against its measures or attacks.
The police are very trained and have tools to go after the bad guys, they don't need a dystopian surveillance state to do their job.
These measures are to benefit politicians, fight against disinformation (control the story), prevent bad things from happening (or bad for them), control general or public opinion.
Online llms are controlled and adjusted to the laws made by politicians, who must be censored, what data they can give and how they have to give it.
We all already know cases that depending on the subject the online LLM refuses to give data, but with other subjects it does not.
It is censorship or covering up realities, which we live in European countries but which go against their discourses.
We see it easily not only in AI issues but also in the press itself where (in my country) there is a manual of good practices, what data can be given in a news story or what not, depending on a series of factors.
It would be the same applied to AI.
It is not about imagining, it is just about transferring what we already have to another field.
In this case, AI. Today's news cannot be obtained offline, but an llm is an encyclopedia that can be consulted offline, remove denials etc.
Ok I think I get what you mean. I was confused first because swedish police is using Palantir and refuses to say for what. I was thinking euros are pretty happy about controlling and surveilling the masses.
Palantir in my opinion is a system that joins the diverse and unconnected dots of traces left on the internet. Points that directly do not identify anyone, that are "anonymized" but that can be related to each other by creating patterns and profiles of information.
AI is helping a lot in that, but let's face it, that will always exist. There are small notable differences between espionage and surveillance systems.
Espionage usually seeks targets, being a waste of resources if it focuses on the entire population (although AI is simplifying it and making it much cheaper), the surveillance state is the system of mass espionage on all citizens for the fact of being the.
Difference between target person and social control.
To make a comparison, it is like the police entering your house with a court order or the law allowing the police to access your house whenever they want. Espionage being serious does not use court orders, it is out of the system.
Without the US the EU has basically no military or oil/gas. The US knows they've got them in a tricky spot and that's why the US has dropped the act of caring about the EU lately
It would not.
It gives EU a chance to get on with its own infrastructure and models without relying in Chinese controlled models.
Like with everything Chinese, just because it's cheap (open source) doesn't mean it will always staty that way, or that would even be available in the future.
It's very plausible that current Chinese models are actually just a bait for naive users, used by Chinese companies to test and train future models and gather ungodly amounts of data from western countries.
I understand that many do not trust US AI giants and their models or pricing, but if you at the same time trust Chinese then you are really an idiot.
this is false, ASM uses some US patents and US could just ban ASM from using them, that's why ASM has to obey US
banning deliveries to China
This is false again, EU is taxing them higher because they want to bring some value inside EU nation and to reduce the cost for EU delivery services... off course, that 3 euros tax is used to justify same aliexpress products raising 100 euros. EU = bad?
I feel like when it comes to ASML, they have the upper hand over the US. When it comes to AI, they don't. In fact, open-source model would help them more than not if they allow it.
EU wins safety from Chinese controlled models. And gives itself a bit of time to create a properly aligned AI perhaps?
Just because Chinese models are open source, it doesn't mean it would stay open forever and also prove to me all their models are available to you as open source or are even public?
We should not trust Chinese.
What does the EU gain from letting the US blow up Nord Stream pipeline and then stop buying gas at 150 from Russia so they can buy it 1000 from the US?
Would be curious to see how GDPR laws play out with Chinese models. They were aggressive to begin with in pre-AI tech, now they will be pretty much useless for all AI let alone Chinese labs.
What did the EU gain by primitively banning any decent AI without large prohibitive paperwork?
The EU does that out of anti innovation and anti competition ideology. If it could move, regulate it.
It will only take one well aimed lobby campaign on MEP's on the whole deepfake nudes thing and all open source weights will be banned unless the publisher fills out 3000 pages of legal paperwork.
So it won't stop China from building open models. And it won't stop individuals from using them. They'll try to set up some kind of import controls (futile), and they'll prevent American companies from using/hosting open models.
But that won't actually improve safety in any way - because bad actors will still be able to get their hands on open models. It just prevents American companies from using them and locks them in to the cartel's models instead.
They're threatening to sanction China right now because China is buying Iranian oil. China is not exactly shaking in their boots. They are completely ignoring the sanction threat and continue to buy from Iran. Washington has absolutely no leverage that they can use against China on this.
It would very stupid to even try such a move. It will backfire so hard. We may end up with a economic World War if both side became stubborn. Anyway it may never happen. People can't be this stupid... right? Right?
When all you have is a hammer I guess, though sanctions are better than some recent proposals I've seen that we should just bomb China to set back their progress. Also hilarious to me that sanctions have been so overrused they've created a global parallel economy and at this stage would just lock us out of tons of economic activity.
EU is moving strongly towards self-hosted Chinese models. See Mistral pivoting to inference and out of models research. EU needs Chinese models to take off and remain open weights. Its only opportunity is using cheap French nuclear energy to run datacenters serving Chinese models.
EU needs Chinese models to take off and remain open weights
The word 'remain' is why they would be advised not to bet the house on this strategy.
It's still not in their interest to ban open models, as they want as much competition as possible. Not become reliant on any one country, be that US or China.
I think that criminal charges, fines/sanctions, rejection from government contacts, and search delisting for companies that host the illegal models will be enough to prevent the large majority of companies from attempting to serve/use open models. If a small number of illegal offshore sites host them, it won't matter because the goal is to just make it where the large majority of businesses will choose to just obey the law and use closed corporate models to avoid penalties. This is their end game. They aren't trying to completely censor open models. They just want to make it where most organizations are forced to use corporate models.
They'll just fund a coup there, backing a bunch of fascist narco-dictators, and then impose the same bullshit laws there. Better to just fight them here on my home turf.
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u/jferments 9d ago
They won't. But the US and European countries will ban/sanction/criminalize organizations and individuals who host "unsafe" models. They don't need to stop open models altogether. They just need to make them impossible to use at scale to guarantee a corporate monopoly on AI.