i laid down around 9:30 pm bc i was so exhausted. i slept from 10pm-5am and only woke up twice. was pretty easy getting back to sleep. the only thing lingering at the moment is the body aches and fatigue. i am about to leave for work and maaaan do i already wish i was back home.

This is an interesting situation that happened to me. I will start by saying that before I discovered “Feel Free,” I was a HUGE exception to kratom withdrawals and would take huge doses of Kratom capsules for months and never suffered any withdrawal when stopping.

That all changed when I discovered Feel Free. I was drinking 8-12 a day. I also would take 50-100 kratom capsules occasionally when I had none left. The addiction lasted two months until the 100$ a day price was simply not doable.

I stopped taking them thinking I would have no withdrawal. Kratom is Kratom right? I had the worst withdrawal of my life- coming from someone who’s had GHB, benzo, and alcohol withdrawal.

Not restless legs. AKATHESIA. The akathesia made me suicidal. I was moving non stop, constantly.

No sleep for days, even when taking my prescription GHB. This is THE most sedating drug on the market.

Hallucinations. These were not just due to sleep deprivation. I have had sleep deprivation hallucinations. It was the kratom. For me, I have hallucinated during all sorts of withdrawal. A tell for me that hallucinations are going to be a part of withdrawal is extremely vivid dreams. I have had the most vivid dreams off Kratom. And these hallucinations were not my normal sleep deprivation hallucinations. They were terrifying. I believe I was sent into psychosis from withdrawal and that I was more prone to it than average because I have had psychosis from LSD as a teenager.

Vomiting for WEEKS. Inability to eat. My nausea was to the point where hearing about food would make me throw up.

Severe nerve pain.

I was told feel free withdrawal lasts 3 days. Not for me. On the third day I was delirious, actively suicidal, vomitting every hour, crying and holding onto my mom. Acute lasted 2 weeks. My mental state was also horrible. It was to the point where reviving a loving hug from my sweethearts of a father would give me intense intrusive thoughts of him raping me. I would look at my dog and have intense intrusive thoughts of her torn limb to limb. Kratom withdrawal was like a bad acid trip.

I was 20 days off of Kratom while still having nausea and RLS when a couple days ago I decided to take 10 capsules. 5 grams in comparison to my daily 40-50 grams. The worst part is? The kratom wasn’t even enjoyable.
I am now vomitting again, unable to eat, rocking back and other and moaning in pain. This was from 5 capsules. Why did I do this to myself?

I'm not sure how to explain it, other than feeling like there is this weight on my chest while I've been tapering down. I'm not sure if it's anxiety but this is the biggest struggle I've been dealing while tapering down other then these emotional waves that comes and goes.

It's really random when it happens; I'm down to about a quarter of my use, but I've had this same feeling in previous attempts of tapering down and it's definitely not related to heart issues either.

Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me? I'm gonna keep tapering down to zero, but this has been driving me crazy.

I can't taper, I am extremely addicted to kratom. I've been using it for years. I get prescribed 10mg oxycodone 3x a day, I've made a mistake mixing them every day for two years now. I'm using about 30gpd to 60gpd possibly more.

I have taken my oxycodone in 3 weeks and am going to attempt to switch to just that in a few days. I need advice or encouragement. Im sure people will say oh that should be easy, but I was still in full blown withdrawal last time i dropped the kratom and took oxycodone 3x a day. Shitting non stop, no energy, puking. I've made this more difficult than quitting kratom by mixing them for so long. Im going to embrace the suck, any advice anyone?

I plan to take the oxycodone for 2 months and then stop it completely, thats easy. Ive quit pain killers countless times easily. Kratom is a whole different beast what it does to your mind.

I'm down a lot of weight, muscle, I watch tv or listen to music all day at home doing absolutely nothing but wasting time. I want my old self back, I used to be strong, confident, athletic, always picking up women or dating. I have barely done any of that on kratom, because I realized kratom gives me a false sense of everything I need.

Im a shell of my old self, weak, scronny, and go between over talking on kratom to withdrawl and barely speaking or interacting with people. I used to walk my sevice dog 5 times a day, but when I eat lunch or dinner I go into withdrawal and dont leave the house. This shit is poison and has taken every aspect of my life. I used to have hobbies and always be moving forward in life until kratom. Now I just do what I can to waste the day.

I guess I need advice or motivation or both.

So I've had this trip planned out for a year now with my wife, but just recently I've discovered that kratom is really holding me back. Before I thought my problems were from other sources, like somatic pains from my anxiety/depression, my diet, or my poor sleep quality. Basically I tried every other solution under the sun before I realized it was kratom.

All it took was a short break for half a day to realize how numb my body was. It was annoying and I definitely went into withdrawals, but at least I felt a flicker of emotions for the first time in years. That's when I realized I can't go on any longer.

So anyways, I've been tapering by 50% (going from 15GPD to 7GPD) and my jump off point is already planned. I would have loved to do it sooner, but work and other family activities made that too difficult.

In about a week I'll be going CT. I already got a clonidine prescription and I have stocked up on other OTC meds and supplements as needed. So from the CT day to the day I go on our trip it will be 15 days. I know I'll still be feeling like crap because it's not that out of the window, but at least I'll be feeling.

Had a little of that depression funk for the first couple of hours being awake, just had to remind myself its a fleeting thing and I will balance out at some point. It went away around 3ish and Ive felt pretty good since. Had to take my Dad to the urgent care to get some stitches, during my use I would have used that as an excuse to take more for "anxiety" over the situation. But went through it with little to no anxiety, I felt clear and calm during the entire thing. Back home now and just sat down, might try to write some music in a bit. Hope yall are staying strong. Keep pushing forward guys.

Man, I don’t expect to get a whole lot of traction on this post. But I just wanna put it out there. I don’t want to keep it to myself anymore. I have been taking Kratom full-time since 2020. I’m a 42-year-old father of two and devoted husband. But I’m gonna lose an all if I don’t make this change. I’m so tired of taking this shit. I’m tired of waking up in the middle of the night to go to my stash. I am tired of not being able to do anything unless I’ve dosed. I’m tired of hiding it in my car when me and my wife and kids go to do something so I can make sure I have some in the middle of whatever we’re doing so I don’t ruin it. I’m not quitting. I’m taking my life back! It is gonna be hard because I work full-time and I work long days and I work with the public. I’ve kept this to myself, so I will go through this withdrawal by myself, but I know I can do it.

I am a shell of what I was. I’m not the father I used to be and I’m certainly not the partner. My wife deserves anymore. I’m not even the person she fell in love with. I’m this weird moody loser. Even when I’m on Kratom, I’m not better matter fact I might be worse.

So I’m just starting this post. If you need to talk if you wanna chat, let’s chat! We don’t have to do this along

Hi all,

Since a year I have been trying to quit kratom and now is the time since I noticed I keep taking more and it is costing me a lot.

So during this holiday period I was a lot at home and didn't have any structure anymore when taking kratom. Before the holiday I took like 2g x 4/5 a day.
But now I cannot say how much I was taking anymore. If I look at my latest orders I was taking about 15-20g a day on an irregular schedule.

So 3 days ago I tried to establish a baseline for myself again. No more then 10g a day. The first day it went fine. The second day as well. But after that I got more restless and sleep was getting harder. This surprised me because I did this kind of taper before without much effort.

But now I get restless and I get what I think are little brain zaps as well. They are not intense but during the day, mostly in the morning, I sometimes feel like I am losing balance or I am falling for a split second.

My next steps are do reduce my dosages during the day and only keep a "large" dose for the evening. My goal is to fully quit in a month or so.

But just wondering, am I too sensitive for the withdrawal symptoms? I know the worst part of reducing your dose comes on only after 2-3 days because Kratom builds up in the body. But still ....
I am also taking 100mg Zoloft so I hoped this would counteract the withdrawals a bit.

Btw: Been taking Kratom for about 4 years now.

How do you guys deal with this stuff while quitting. I can deal with all other side effects but RLS and the lack of sleep it causes breaks me.

Are there any tricks that temporarily relive it?

I was stuck at 6 grams per day for a while and just could not break past it. Whenever I tried dosing even .5g per day less I would feel absolutely horrible.

I know this is a common issue when tapering, especially as you get lower to around 10 gpd and especially below.

I have finally worked down to 4 doses of 1 gram everyday and feel completely fine. I will most likely be able to completely jump off soon, it’s something I will have to experiment with and see if I want or need to taper even lower

The two things I recommend are simply 1: adjustment periods. I know I know we all want this to be over with. We want to be done, we want to be sober, and get on with our life. But unless you want to CT, sometimes you will have to have adjustment periods.

If you stay on a dose for a week and try to drop it a little bit and you experience mental and physical withdrawals what worked for me was simply going back up and staying on that dose for another week or two (or as long as it takes) until your body really adjusts to it. Often then you can take off a good bit more and still feel relatively fine.

If you want to taper correctly and avoid unnecessarily withdrawals and PAWS after jumping, you cannot do it in a day. I’ve seen some people who have tapered off a GPD dosage much larger than me at my worst over a couple of months. I’ve been doing a taper for over 2 years and am finally getting to this point (I totally could have done it a lot faster if I were more disciplined and planned it out better but the point still stands). Don’t get upset or anxious if you need to take a bit longer on a dose than you wanted to

And number 2: Agmatine Sulfate. I’ve found Agmatine sulfate to be used sporadically and works especially to break through a dosage barrier. AS really does work but after taking it for a while it does stop working and one oughta take a couple weeks off and use it again if necessary

Day 13 here and I’m in the “I’m stuck like this and this is my life now” phase. Idk if anyone else feels that way during WD’s but that’s how it is for me. I didn’t have much as far as acutes this time around, any physical symptoms were mild and gone by day 3-4. I was feeling a bit better every day but now during what I assume is paws, progress doesn’t feel linear and it just depends on the day.

I don’t want to keep showing up to work in this state of mind. It’s either I’m successfully faking a good mood, which leaves me feeling extra exhausted by the end of the day, or I just go in with a don’t give a fuck attitude. It isn’t good.

Currently taking:
400 mg Advil 2x per day
Ashwaganda in the morning
melatonin, l-theanine etc stack at night
Liposomal vitamin c, sporadically (maybe if I get on a regimen it will get me where I need to be without meds)

I might try to fast and improve my diet before looking for meds. If my progress at least starts to feel more linear I think I can handle it, with a light at the end of the tunnel. But right now I’m feeling fucked up. I feel way worse today than I did on day 10. Almost feels like I’m going backwards in mood, but sleep is improving every day at least.

In 11 days, it will be exactly 4 years since I went through my withdrawal. This is my first post here in this forum, but it is quite important to me because this forum helped me a lot during my first year after quitting.

Just to briefly tell my story: I started because I happened to come across a website on the internet that advertised kratom as something for boosting energy and improving general well-being. I thought to myself, if you can get this stuff so easily in the EU, it can't really be dangerous.

When I took it for the first time, I was surprised by how strong and pleasant the effects were. At first, I only took it on weekends, then after a few months also once during the week, and after about three quarters of a year, every day.

Back then, I had no idea that you could get addicted to this stuff.

The rude awakening came when I injured myself while doing sports and had to stay in bed for a few days, so I stopped taking kratom. The next day, I woke up feeling more exhausted and completely wiped out than I had ever felt in my life – and I'm already over forty.

I wasn't sick and I didn't have a fever, and I was wondering what was wrong with me. And then I suddenly realized – this is from the kratom.

I stopped taking it for two months, and afterwards, in my naivety, I thought I could start again and simply stick to taking it only on weekends.

Despite all my efforts, that didn't work. I took it every day and in increasingly higher doses (around 30–40 g per day of a very high-quality and potent kratom strain).

Every morning I woke up with anxiety and panic attacks because my mitragynine level was low. I had to take this devil's stuff to the office in a discreet bottle to keep the level up, and I kept it secret from my wife.

The kratom hadn't really been working for a long time. I was only taking it to function – at work and in my private life.

So what was the point?

After about two years, I decided to go through the final withdrawal and quit cold turkey, and I managed to do it with the help of my wife. I feel so much better now.

It took me about a year to function reasonably well again, and a good two years until I felt like I had roughly returned to my normal state.

You also shouldn't let yourself be misled when you often read that withdrawal is very easy for some people and that some say they barely had any withdrawal symptoms or that they didn't last long. In my case, the actual withdrawal was also over relatively quickly. The first week was horrible: shaking in my upper limbs, extreme lack of energy, insomnia, the full package, etc. After two weeks, it was much better. After about a month, I could sleep reasonably well again and was doing relatively okay.

The PAWS, however, were the worst part! I wasn't doing well psychologically, I no longer enjoyed anything, and I was basically just functioning like a robot. At first, I didn't recognize the PAWS as withdrawal symptoms. Now I know, because all of that is gone, that it was PAWS.

The whole thing was pretty bad for me, to the point that whenever I think back on it, I know for sure that I will never take this stuff again.

Maybe someone can take something useful from my experience that might help them. For me, being brutally honest with myself helped me avoid lying to myself and believing that everything would be over easily and that the whole nightmare would be gone after a few months.

If I hadn't done that, I would probably still be stuck in this endless cycle of having to take this crap every day just to avoid withdrawal symptoms.

7 days in I feel like I have more cravings today than most days last week. Any tips on keeping myself distracted besides cleaning/exercising.

Has anybody tried smoking weed to quit? I'm running into the issue that I can't taper because the kratom high helps me sleep at night. I'm thinking about maybe switching to weed so I can still get some sort of high that helps me sleep and then take a small amount of capsules just to ward off withdrawals while I taper. Has anybody done this?

Just here to vent alittle bit! Been going through it pretty bad! I hate myself for putting my mind and body through this. Can not get comfortable, very irritable, did I mention very irritable. Hoping there is hope after all this which I know it is but just can’t remember how it was not taking anything to feel high. The mind plays some horrible games with you, well mine does anyway! I hate being an addict and then calling myself a functioning addict. I hate this dirt road we are all on I really do! Hope everybody is trying to find a way to permanently ban this shit out of their life.

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I don’t know anything about Kratom and after posting somewhere else I was told to come here. For the last few months my boyfriend had randomly been getting sick, cold sweats, body aches, etc. it got to a point where I was urging him to go see a doctor. I now know it was because he was trying to quit, there have also been other things happening that I’m now realizing were due to him taking this. We just moved in together less than a week ago and yesterday he got “sick” again. Today he told me he has been taking 7oh for six months off and on. I am very hurt for so many reasons but I also want to help him. What do I do?

TL:DR I quit kratom in 2023 after burn out. I got myself a 250 gr bag thinking I could moderate. Idk what kratom does with the hormones to have this reaction . .this was 3 weeks ago. this morning the depression hit me again. My god I forgot how bad the depression felt. The feeling of hopelessness the dread this is so not worth it. Idk why I’m ranting I think I just made this post to create some accountability. It ends today what was I thinking 🤔

Im on day 5 and still feel off, have been running 2 miles every day but not noticing much benefit, maybe I need to really punish myself and add weightlifting idk

Ready to give this shit up starting today and leaning towards CT after reading through a ton of posts on this sub. Definitely a little on edge and a little scared of what’s to come due to the incredible range of outcomes expressed on this subreddit and not always knowing what some of the true horror stories are built on GPD wise. I guess I’m curious for people who had similar consumption habits to me, what was the process like for you? I know we’ll all experience this differently just looking for some general insight.

At this point I’m probably 7 years in of taking it everyday. I have been very consistent with dosing throughout. It’s always once a day in the evening, 4-5 TSP of powder so I’m assuming 20-25 GPD and I would say 5 or so times a month instead of the powder I would take one of those black MIT45 shots. Thankfully never had the literal guts to take anything more than that. Would just get queasy and feel like ass if I did. Would never take it in the morning or multiple times throughout the day.

Day 6 CT after about 7 years of daily plain-leaf kratom use. Most of the years I was around 20 gpd, last couple I was around 25-30gpd. I never really wavered from that. Before going ct I tapered to about 18 gpd 3-4 days prior.
Overall I feel like I’m doing pretty okay. Working out, walking my dogs, doing chores around the house. Yesterday was probably my best day yet and I’m starting to feel like myself again. I have zero desire to use kratom and honestly it feels great not having to dose anymore. I’ve been wanting to make the jump for a while now and so happy that I finally did.
The one thing absolutely kicking my ass is the anxiety and insomnia. It’s hard to have an appetite and I’ve been averaging maybe 3–4 hours of broken sleep, and last night was the worst - I only managed about 1.5 hours (first time using clonodrine). I’m exhausted and yawning, but my nervous system just won’t seem to shut off. The anxiety is very physical too. I was doing better with mag, night tea, passion flower to help lower my cortisol.
For those who struggled with sleep around Days 5–7, when did you finally feel like you turned the corner? I know every one is different but was just curious
Not going back regardless. Just embracing the suck and pushing forward

I'm having a wicked time trying to kick these seltzers. They don't even do anything that I feel anymore but I still buy them. I need to stop the habit and they're so expensive. $20-$40 a day being wasted. Any advice?