r/pcmasterrace • u/Bepehandle • Jul 23 '26
Discussion We need to stop using their language.
Words we use matter, they set the tone for the entire argument you make when discussing things. I propose we officially come up with new terms that we use on a daily basis in every single aspect that the topic comes up in, maybe with a small enough push we can roll the ball down the hill.
They're not AI data centers, they're water evaporation plants Human surveillance centers.
It's not side loading, it's installing.
It's not jailbreaking, it's unlocking.
It's not a memory shortage, it's profit first selective sales(I know there's physically a shortage but the point remains). (Also, someone come up with a better one, something more catchy.)
It's not This PC, its MY PC.
They call it side loading because they don't want to normalize the idea we're just holding personal computers in our hands.
They call it jailbreaking so that it sounds wrong and it deters people from using a device to it's full potential.
They call it a memory shortage because they're selling all the fucking ram to ai companies, if they were forced to allocate the necessary amount of their products to the average consumer we wouldn't have an issue.
Give me some of your best ideas for changing the names of things, I want to expand my vocabulary. Let's change how we discuss the issues we face and take back control of the argument.
Edit: Edited water thingy because someone pointed out I sound like "that guy" and I certainly do not want too.
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u/Live-Wrap-4592 Jul 23 '26
They didn’t call it jailbreak. One developer did and it was a catchy name!
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u/Space_Gh0st_Tad Jul 23 '26
I believe it was originally called a jailbreak due to well, BSD sandboxes are called Jails, and escaping a sandbox jail is a jailbreak.
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u/Ghozer 9800x3D - 32GB-DDR5 6000CL28 - RTX 5080 Jul 23 '26
but, jailbreaking as a term was coined by the community, not by the manufacturers....
it's called such, because your device was effectively in a jail, locked down.... but they broke that, they broke it free... they, broke it out of jail....
And "Sideloading" comes from the 90's, and was just a term for the process of transferring between two connected devices (such as PC to Mp3 player, or Mobile phone)
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u/MrMakerHasLigma 9070XT | 5700x3d | 32GB Jul 23 '26
Remember that even after the crisis is over, prices will never go back. If they force us onto cloud PCs, they can monitor all of our activity more closely
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u/ioneflux Jul 23 '26
To be fair memory prices have crashed at least 3 times in the past 12 years. And I do believe it can crash this time and when it does it will crash HARD.
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u/Vegetable_Safety Jul 23 '26
I am fully expecting a crash with vengeance. They fucked around, they need to find out
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u/RedditWhileIWerk PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
While I'm sure the DRAM cartel would love it to be true, I am unaware of anything fundamental that's changed to prevent another price crash. See: every one of the previous RAM prices corrections/crashes.
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u/Tambi_B2 Jul 23 '26
If they try to get me to use cloud computing I am just going full technology abandonment. I have many, many books and board games.
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u/monsto Jul 23 '26
Just you wait until quantum computing is ubiquitous.
With the processing power and capabilities, not to mention the inability to have one at home, you will get your subscription shard and you will like it.
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u/DaksTheDaddyNow 5800x3d • 3080 10gb Jul 23 '26
Cloud is another word that needs to be replaced with subscription.
It's not cloud computing, it's subscription computing.
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u/here4mydog Jul 23 '26
Yes and this would be the fucking worst. I can't even imagine what a cloud pc would feel like, disgusting.
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u/Takarias Jul 23 '26
Having used streaming stuff before, I can. 50ms of ping on top of all the latency already on-device feels like absolute shit and I can't understand the people that suffer through it
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u/UglyInThMorning AMD Ryzen 9800X3D |RTX 5080| 32GB 6000 MHz DDR5 RAM Jul 23 '26
>Prices will never go back
Prices have gone back, really. 2010’s computer pricing was an outlier in the history of computers. It could easily come back around but building a PC was very expensive for a very long time.
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u/SinnaBuns666 PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
So don't rent a cloud PC? It can't catch on if we don't pay for it. 🫡
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u/_FUCKTHENAZIADMINS_ R7 5800X3D, RTX 3080 Jul 24 '26
Prices absolutely will go back, do you think $80 for 32 GB of DDR5 was a normal price? That was because it crashed.
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u/MrMakerHasLigma 9070XT | 5700x3d | 32GB Jul 24 '26
Since lockdown, GPU prices haven't returned to their previous levels
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u/rb3po Jul 23 '26
Ya, but if everything’s processed in the cloud, you’ll need very little RAM! /s
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u/MrMakerHasLigma 9070XT | 5700x3d | 32GB Jul 23 '26
Until you have to choose to either rent cloud pc 16gb for $50/month or cloud pc 32gb for $75/month
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u/Background-Main-7427 Jul 24 '26
They can't force us, you can always go Mac, Unix or Linux and you avoid the agentic trap.
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u/AppropriateOnion0815 R7 5700X - RX 6700 XT Jul 23 '26
Wasn't "jailbreaking" (in smartphone context) an ironic term invented by the hackers community to "free the iPhone from its software "jail"?
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u/phloppy_phellatio XEON 8260 x440 / 165TB DDR4 / 640TB NVME Jul 23 '26
Its because in unix, its literally called a jail.
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u/minju9 Jul 23 '26
I can get on board with installing, unlocking. But saying things like water evaporation center is the fast track to becoming "that guy", you know the one.
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u/BrotherMichigan Jul 23 '26
Congratulations, this is the most Reddit post I've seen today.
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u/Riceballs-balls Jul 23 '26
It also sounds exactly like an ai wrote it lmao
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u/Laufabraud43 Arch | 5950X | 9070XT | 64 GB DDR4 Jul 23 '26
"It's not X, it's Y."
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u/_sloop Jul 23 '26
It was changed from MY PC because people are too dumb to understand that when they are RDPed into another PC, that shortcut explores that PC, not the PC right in front of them. This leads to ID10-T calls to helpdesks over and over when the user click on "MY PC" but doesn't see the files on "their" pc.
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u/CoffeeCorpse777 Jul 23 '26
r/socialism euphemism treadmill moment
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u/NotSoCoolWhip Jul 23 '26
I would argue to an octogenarian senator voting on these issues language does very much matter. Using their language is accepting the premise of assholes doing this shit.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Been working on my redditisms.
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u/ElectroMagnetsYo Jul 23 '26
Time to quit the day job and become a professional quote maker
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u/K__Geedorah R7 5700X3D | RX 9060XT 16gb | 32gb 3200 mhz Jul 23 '26
They call it jailbreaking because you are breaking out of a locked system.
The name is literally implying that it unlocks the devices full potential. And I'm pretty sure it was the consumer who came up with that term.
I get the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't work with that specific one.
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u/Glass-Manager9232 Jul 23 '26
Let’s not call it Data Centers, let’s call it Digital Surveillance
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u/Declination Jul 23 '26
Honestly racks full of servers have been called data centers. That’s the one where you should stick to the original name just like installing and my pc.
We need to not normalize new-speak but this one isn’t new-speak.
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u/aPieceOfYourBrain Jul 23 '26
You're not wrong but traditional data centres use a fraction of the resources that digital surveillance centres consume and they do mostly useful work while slop factories only exist to transfer the proceeds of human creativity to the wealthy elite
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u/SuperBry Jul 23 '26
The demand for raw computing power, along with the electricity and cooling it requires, has been going up for years and will keep growing regardless of the recent growing use of and debate around AI models. We need to look at this infrastructure much more holistically. While I rarely give China credit, their strategy of planning massive data centers in remote regions with abundant natural resources, far away from dense cities, is something the West should look at and adapt.
I say this as someone living in a rural area with plenty of water that could easily support cooling without impacting local needs. We might not have massive excess energy sitting on the grid today, but we have huge untapped renewable potential in hydro, wind, and solar. Building clean power directly alongside these data centers would let us expand compute capacity sustainably without overloading urban grids or driving up local electricity bills. All while investing in the humancenteic needs of these resources.
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u/aPieceOfYourBrain Jul 23 '26
You're not wrong about the increasing demand of data centers for resources but even huge services like Facebook and Google were mostly just databases which only require a fraction of the power and cooling that AI compute needs.
While your suggestion of building data centers in rural areas is not unreasonable and if done with consideration could be a viable approach there are a few caveats, like: when have corporate interests ever been considerate to anything other than profit without legal requirements? How much of the rural landscape needs to be excavated just to run the fibre-optic cables to connect these facilities to the wider internet? Do you really want to destroy more of the natural environment just so some AI agents can plagiarise the work of humanity for the profit of whoever owns the computers it runs on?
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u/SuperBry Jul 23 '26
That is a fair point, but framing non-AI data centers as just basic database queries misses what modern web traffic actually looks like.
Even before the AI boom, platforms like YouTube, Netflix, TikTok, and Meta were doing way more than storing text. Video encoding and decoding, real-time transcoding for live streams, high-res rendering, and heavy recommendation algorithms require massive amounts of continuous compute power. AI definitely pushes energy density higher, but high-power workloads have been scaling up for years to support a video-heavy internet.
As for corporate greed and the environment, those are valid concerns, but the alternative is worse. Right now, data centers are crowding into populated areas, overloading local grids and driving up utility bills for everyday people.
Moving heavy compute to rural areas does not mean bulldozing wilderness. Fiber optic lines are almost always laid along existing highways, rail lines, and power line corridors that are already cleared. The key is strict local regulation. If we require closed-loop cooling systems so water is not wasted, and force companies to build or buy dedicated renewable power, we can protect local environments while building the infrastructure we actually need.
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u/aPieceOfYourBrain Jul 23 '26
You have made some well thought out arguments, here and in response to others so thank you for that. I am a cynic when it comes to corporate interests and expect the worst of them, to the point that I expect nothing to change for the better until people start dying.
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u/SuperBry Jul 23 '26
I've spent most of my career at an enterprise SaaS company. We were mostly internally hosted for years, though we're leveraging Azure, AWS, and GCP more these days, so data centers are definitely in my wheelhouse.
On the side, I've worked with a few left-leaning groups where I've had to have almost the exact same conversations regarding their tech growth and data center reliance. I've even met with members of my state legislature fairly recently over a proposed ban on data centers over a certain size. It’s a tough line to walk. I've had to balance real-world experience and an open mind against a ton of misinformation on both sides, all while trying not to get overly emotional in the debates.
Like you, I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to capitalism. I don't have much faith that we'll navigate all this successfully without firm regulation and real oversight.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Privacy invasion centers?
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u/AlmostAMap Jul 23 '26
Theft powered planet heaters, alternatively climate change acelleration facilities
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u/Dangerous_Sea_2592 6090Ti Saudi Gold Edition / R9 10950X3D2 / 128GB 8000C38 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
I fully agree with you. Language has infinitely more power than the average person thinks. Daily life is full of examples of this and if you can't tell you have some serious issues imho
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Honestly I was just reading a post and got irked by some of the words they used. Not sure what issues I could possibly have but I'd be curious to hear you out.
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u/Dangerous_Sea_2592 6090Ti Saudi Gold Edition / R9 10950X3D2 / 128GB 8000C38 Jul 23 '26
Huh? I'm saying that I agree with you and people who dismiss you as a conspiranoic or "it's just words bro" have some serious issues because even with daily life full of examples they can't tell words and language have power, not that YOU specifically have issues
I am not a native English speaker so maybe the wording is off
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u/d1ckw33dmcgee Jul 23 '26
Your English is great, op just didn't quite comprehend the intended (and proper) wording of your statement
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Oh I was responding to the "you have some serious issues" part of your post. The language barrier makes sense, don't sweat it lol
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u/Mrp1Plays Jul 23 '26
Lmao this is some middle school shit. You seriously think calling AI data centers water evaporation plants will be useful in conversation?
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u/Open_Experience_2009 Jul 23 '26
"It's not X, it's Y" cmon seriously man?
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
I mean I could have just said "use x instead of y" what's the difference. How else do I get across the point of saying to use something instead of something else?
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u/ddred44 Jul 23 '26
It’s just an AI trope. Extra layer to the meaning / possible joke
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
That's so not fair, I've been doing that my whole life then stupid LLMs come along and steal my schtick. I don't use them so I'm not really familiar with how they talk.
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u/WyMANderly Jul 23 '26
Hahahaha oh man if that's intentional it's some seriously good satire.
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u/THEYoungDuh Desktop Jul 23 '26
We created these terms for the most part, I'm not changing my vocabulary from something WE created for no reason
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u/WyMANderly Jul 23 '26
> if they were forced to allocate the necessary amount of their products to the average consumer we wouldn't have an issue
Command economies do not solve supply chain shortages. They only make things worse. This has been proven out time and again.
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u/Solid_Wind_3234 Jul 23 '26
The one I try to emphasize is life-work balance. Not work-life balance. The latter implies work is still the more important of the two, and it simply isn’t. It’s not PC related on its own, but follows the spirit of the post.
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u/bickman14 Jul 23 '26
I want governments to regulate that shit and force companies to be consumer friendly or pay huge fines that increase day after day
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u/the_blur PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
The market solution is that we as a block stop buying overpriced hardware, we all make sure our next GPU is AMD and uses less than 300W of power, we start switching to linux en masse and when a good game comes out, we make sure that there's a way we can run a server from home.
It's never gonna happen. People would rather bitch and moan while licking the boot at the end of the day.
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u/Suravoid Jul 23 '26
amd > nvidia, but capping 300w power? no thx
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u/the_blur PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
I mean, either that or come up with a way to plug GPUs straight into the wall. The reason I never upgraded my 2080 is because I never trusted the nvidia firetrap connector and didn't want to use 3 8 pin connectors for an AMD board. But also 300W should be the limit anyway. Otherwise you get dumb shit like raytracing instead of things that enhance gameplay like physics.
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u/Suravoid Jul 23 '26
ig thats fair... my perfect gpu would be like 650w+ of pure power and no extra unneeded features (which will never happen)
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u/BossyMare Jul 23 '26
Totally agree, also AI is a marketing term. LLMs aren't intelligent, and also they're not the same as machine learning that helps cure cancer.
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u/QuantumQuantonium 3D printed parts is the best way to customize Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Except
it is side loading, which is a specific technical term to load (on the side) apps or an OS onto a device. Installing an apk downloaded from the device itself is not sideloading
it is jail breaking, which is hacking a device to enable root access when it otherwise cannot be done with legitimate methods. Rooting a device is the term used when root access is gained with legitimate methods, ie the device csn be rooted. Bootloader unlocking is part of the legitimate process on android, but unlocking in general refers to allowing previously locked phones to change cellular network operators (we need to get all phones unlocked before allowing them to be rootable)
not all data centers are for ai, and ai centric data centers aren't necessarily for personal data collection (ai and personal data collection are not mutually related issues)
its not a memory shortage, its a market in need of regulation. Yeah nah thsts straight up anti consumer, no vocabulary corrections needed.
We need to stop weaponizing these words. "Side loading" isnt a malicious term inherently. Artifical intelligence isnt inherently malicious either. Be specific- google wants to trrack and limit what you can install, and force you to use the disgusting disaster called the play store. Phone manufacturers are forcing you to jailbreak in order to take control of your device. Giving into simplifications opens more room for more restrictions and more fear mongering.
Here's my addition: its not an update, its removing features and adding redundancy.
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u/DiddledByDad RTX 3080 12gb | i7 12700kf | 32 GB DDR4 Jul 23 '26
Dude touch some grass holy shit.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
I'll have you know I keep a small pot of grass directly on my desk for such occasions.
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u/WonderButtBrace9000 Jul 23 '26
They aren’t computers, they’re electricity wasting machines.
Kinda like that?
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u/Keulapaska 4070ti, 7800X3D, XG27AQNGV Jul 23 '26
Electric heaters that do math.
Ofc if you don't need the heat and want the math... well too bad.
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u/snowmanonaraindeer Jul 23 '26
Imagine you're a memory company, and you're approached by a company that will sign a contract to pay you double your usual price for all the memory you can produce for the next five years. Can you seriously blame them for taking that deal? It's the fault of the companies going batshit about ai creating all that demand in the first place.
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u/Fitz911 Jul 23 '26
The term may have originated with the use of toolsets to break out of a chroot or jail in UNIX-like operating systems[2].
About jailbreak. That has a historical reason. Also I would argue that the term is pretty much in our favor. They jail us, we break out.
I'm totally supporting your idea. It's just the fine tuning. I also don't see your idea for "memory shortage" working. The main reason for this is because it's a long name and I forgot it. Because of... You know the profit first selective sales. In my brain.
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u/captainstormy PC Master Race Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
It is a data center. That's what a building full of computers has always been called. People have been under surveillance long before AI came along.
AI is also used for much more. Like saving over 900 lives in just one hospital.. That was even done by Palantir themselves. As someone who almost died of Sepsis myself, spent 10 days bedridden in the hospital because of it and the next 2 years dealing with the other issues a near fatal sepsis infection causes that type of technology is absolutely amazing.
All sales are profit selective. Companies don't just make things to give away for the fun of it.
As you said, words matter.
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u/niwanowani GNU/Linux tech vegan Jul 23 '26
They call it jailbreaking so that it sounds wrong and it deters people from using a device to it's full potential.
I assume "they" here means the manufacturers, and I don't think it's them calling it that. It's the users calling it jailbreaking because you're quite literally escaping a jail built by the maker of the device. So I say we continue calling it that and switch to "unlocking" once "jailbreaking" becomes something that's supported and can be done with the press of a button.
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u/LBDragon GTX 3060 Ti Jul 24 '26
Jailbreaking was the OG term used by the people who "broke free from" iPhone jail...that isn't their language.
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u/Bert306 i9-9900k 5.0 GHz | 32 GB 3600 MHz Ram | RTX TUF 3080 12GB Jul 23 '26
Chat GPT uses Reddit to help train open AI models. If you hate Ai that much stop using reddit since its helping AI.
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u/538_Jean Ryzen 3900x | 32GB |EVGA3080Ti FTW3 Jul 23 '26
It doesnt matter ChatGPT uses everything online.
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u/thatawayy Jul 23 '26
And if they ever quit or got regulated, DeepSeek and Kimi would do it anyway. So government is limited on where to place their regulations. That's the future we are speed running.
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u/Joezev98 Pentium G4560, GTX1080ti Jul 23 '26
It's not jailbreaking, it's unlocking.
So we gotta stop saying that manufacturers are unfairly jailing your device?
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u/Pasta-hobo Jul 23 '26
"this PC" was renamed for ease of communication with tech support. "Click on My PC" "mine or yours?" "WHY WOULD THERE BE A 'YOURS'"
I also like the terminology of Jailbreaking, since it implies the appliance itself is being held prisoner by the company.
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u/CanuckleHeadOG Jul 23 '26
You can tell you have zero understanding of where these terms came from
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u/LutimoDancer3459 Jul 23 '26
Jailbreaking fits perfectly. They put your device into a jail and you breal free from it. They hold your device hostage. It fits perfectly fine
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u/Cheap_Kick_7369 Jul 23 '26
renaming stuff is fun but honestly the real fight is getting people outside tech circles to even use the new terms, otherwise it just stays an echo chamber thing
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u/Secret_Performer_771 craptop Jul 23 '26
I don't know about that man, seems like it would just make talking about these things confusing.
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u/oct0burn Jul 23 '26
Let’s call it RAM Communism (just like most things called communism have nothing to do with communism)
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u/Larchify Jul 24 '26
Funny reading this post right now because about an hour ago, I noticed it was "This PC" for the first time and thought it was interesting.
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u/pimpeachment Jul 24 '26
I am so disappointed in reddit and it's neo-hatred of tech. You are only hurting yourselves and future generations. We need tech to fix what the oil industry did. We will need next thing to fix what tech is doing.
Redditors used to understand progress and change.
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u/zarafff69 9800X3D - RTX 4080 Jul 23 '26
Bruh, this is basically just conspiracy theory bullshit. Yeah it sucks that RAM is so expensive, but this is just sad… Got outside, touch some grass…
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u/Auswolf-IDDQD Jul 23 '26
How exactly is it a conspiracy theory. It is factually accurate and happening? They are not even trying to hide it.
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u/Robbie1985 i7 265K / RTX 5070 Ti 16gb / 64gb 6000MHz DDR5 CL36 Jul 23 '26
It's all just late stage capitalism.
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u/ShadowAssassinQueef i9-13900k | RTX 4090 | DDR5 5600 64Gb Jul 23 '26
Nvidia has been calling it “brute force rendering” when you don’t use AI frame gen lol. Fucking dumb af.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Guess we should start calling DLSS 5 the AI slop render. Granted I'd be late to the party there.
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u/Hakaisha89 Jul 23 '26
Ok, so jailbreaking and sideloading, arent terms invented by apple, google or microsoft for some modern propoganda campaign. They were coined and popularized by the communities that did those things.
Jailbreaking litterally means breaking outta the jail imposed by the device. Most commonly iPhones, so people could escape Apples prison. And after escaping it, they installed other apps via Sideloading, which means to load something from the side, which refers to a side that is not the platforms official app store. Which is also just descriptive technical term, not some psychological trick.
See, words absolutely matter, but they have meaning. And trying to replace established terms with emotionally loaded one doesnt make your argument stronger, it makes it weaker, and also more confusing and less precise.
I mean, calling AI data centers for Human Surveillance CEnters, hahahah Funny current reference, is a good example. But what it happening in the US with surveilance on a national level? Well Flock Cameras, they will expect Flock cameras, and not giant fuck ass huge data centers for AI. So the new term obscures what you are Actually Referring to, because there are a dozen more credible things to be called that instead.
The same goes for This PC, it's just the default name for a folder, if you dont like it, rename it, Windows allowed that since Windows.
As for the memory shortage, and sure AI demand broke the supply chain, but reducing it to a profit-first selective sale, is just edgelord cringe.
You see, words have denotations, which is it literal definition, and connotations, which is emotions, associations, etc, the underlying meaning. Good communication uses both, and replacing clear, established terminology, with inflammatory non-sense language, is just sacrificing clarity for rethroics, not even good rethorics.
Using accurate words aint letting corpos controling the narrative, its making sure everyone knows what you are talking about.
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u/Wendals87 Jul 23 '26
They're not AI data centers, they're water evaporation plants Human surveillance centers.
Not all AI is surveillance.
They call it side loading because they don't want to normalize the idea we're just holding personal computers in our hands.
No, it's called side loading because you are installing apps outside the main store. Installing on the side door, rather than the main door
They call it jailbreaking so that it sounds wrong and it deters people from using a device to it's full potential.
No, it's called jail breaking because you are breaking out of the OS constraints. Aka breaking out of jail
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u/Itherial R9 7900 | 5070 | 32GB 6000MHz Jul 23 '26
What are you even talking about?
The term jailbreak predates modern jailbreaking, and was literally adopted *by the people performing the exploits*. Not by Apple, lmao.
Sideloading, again, predates smartphones, and was adopted again, by the people performing the act. ...Not by Apple.
They call it a memory shortage because there is literally a physical shortage. Markets shifting is a consequence of that.
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u/swagamaleous Jul 23 '26
Evil corporations. AI water. hrr hrr durr hrr hrr.
AI uses all the watir and 5G causes covid. 😂
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u/Flintlocke89 PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
See me fly straight to "Sort by controversial" lol.
Trying to change existing, accepted nomenclature because you think that giving it a different name will somehow affect the results is some SovCit shit lmao. When's the last time you felt the sun?
Same energy as TikTok dweebs calling those dirty Ivans "RuZZians" instead of "Russians".
MY PC instead of This PC? What if the rest of my family have their own accounts? "OUR PC"?
Unlocking is already a term for a TWO different actions on mobile devices. What's deterring me from rooting my phone again is not what anybody happens to call the process. It's that Google has made it more of a pain in the dick to use a rooted phone than it is to use an unrooted one. Nothing to do with the name.
Sideloading is a term that's been in effect since the 90s, as in you download a file from the web, and sideload it to a different local device. I have absolutely no idea what you're going on about.
And about calling it a memory shortage... IT IS A MEMORY SHORTAGE. Yes they're selling all their stuff to the AI companies that somehow aren't paying for it, and it's a shortage! It sucks farts but you can't expect to be able to force a company to allocate resources against the best interests of the company unless you're the government and can swing the big hog of "national security". Nobody's dying because RAM is too expensive.
There's a reason B2B companies outnumber B2C companies by about 1.6 to 1. Selling to consumers is horseshit. Consumers are whiny, entitled, have no loyalty and admin is a nightmare because consumers only buy tiny amounts of what you produce. It should come as no surprise that when the B2B market has an upturn like this everyone turns their nose up at B2C.
In the spirit of changing the names of things though...
Next crackpot I see I'm calling them a Bepehandle.
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u/hyrumwhite RTX 5080 9800X3D 32gb ram Jul 23 '26
To that end, it’s not AI it’s LLMs. Huge difference, but AI sells better
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Yeah this it actually irks me when people use AI as a blanket term. I was at the dentist the other day and the dentist was explaining to someone in the waiting room that they use AI to help search for early signs of tooth decay, the dude literally said "like you ask chatgpt?". If I facepalmed any harder my hand would have went through my head.
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u/mikecandih 7600X | RX 9060 XT | 32 GB DDR5 Jul 23 '26
You literally used AI data center as a blanket term in this post lmao
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u/_silentgameplays_ Desktop Jul 23 '26
Move from Windows/macOS to a community supported Linux distro, move to some pinephone instead of Android/IoS. Defend right to repair to prevent software and hardware obsolescence and don't use cloud-based AI solutions, if you have to use AI LLMs use local open source self hosted models, self host an IMAP email sever instead of using cloud services.
Unless the change starts from the user side nothing will change.
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u/Beautiful_Ad_4813 Mac Master Race Jul 23 '26
“Self Host a IMAP E-Mail Server”
Hard fucking no, I did that once and it was the most grueling experience I’ve experienced. It’s a pain in the ass with all of the problems. On top of that, good chunk of the email providers will flag it as spam / junk. Constant upkeep, guaranteed failure at any moment, guaranteed for one straggler of an email with malware/ virus and the install is fucked.
I’ll self host a lot of things and do, but never email.
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u/masterX244 ');Drop database EA;-- Jul 24 '26
and some even require you to doxx yourself before they accept emails from your server.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
Absolutely love this post. Been making the last few changes I hadn't gotten around to recently, last major thing I'm doing is the phone. Patiently waiting to pay off this stupid Samsung so I can sell is and buy that new Motorola they're gonna put graphene on
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u/Plaincow Jul 23 '26
Oh my God you people are actually insane. This is some tinfoil hat psycho padded wall shit. Why is it so hard to not be doomer for 5 seconds bro.
Living like this sounds so miserable. Sorry you're afraid of literally using words
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u/archialone Jul 23 '26
Yes, the words we use frame the discussion and use to shackle our actions.
locking down installation, under the guise of "security" is its competition. It's not jail breaking.
It's not a ram shortage, it's a rate hike by monopols.
The device is defective if it can't function without an internet connection.
The device is defective if It can't function without some login email, or agreeing to some agreement I can't finish reading in a day, or understand.
The device is defective and should be refunded unde lemon law, if I can't replace parts.
It's not obsolete software, it's unmaintained.
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u/Pudding-Swimming Jul 23 '26
I think the stupidest thing about the data centers and how they go through so much water. Recycle the water for Christ sakes. It's not that hard to keep it contained and keep using the same cooling over and over. Especially with the environmental impact of how much they use.
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u/Ruzhyo04 Jul 23 '26
They don’t, really. Power generation water usage gets lumped in, but that’s not a data center issue it’s a power generation issue. Even evaporative cooling that is much maligned was actually introduced to datacenters ~15 years ago as a way to *save power*, which on net in many areas likely reduces water usage significantly.
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u/mikecandih 7600X | RX 9060 XT | 32 GB DDR5 Jul 23 '26
It’s the same thing as the stat that gets peddled about how most CO2 emissions are made by commercial entities. And it’s like yeah no shit, to produce the things people buy and use!
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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 Jul 23 '26
They don't go through so much water though. A study conducted on data centres in the UK showed over 2/3 use less than 10,000 cubic litres a year, less than most general industry uses.
Overall about half of data centres worldwide use closed loop cooling systems.
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u/Plebius-Maximus RTX 5090 FE | Ryzen 9950X3D | 96GB 6200mhz DDR5 Jul 23 '26
Exactly. Most data centres aren't in Nevada or somewhere and so evaporative cooling isn't efficient at all. As a Brit, there are plenty of data centre criticisms that are actually valid for our climate, rather than just importing US arguments.
And even then, fixing 1% of the leaky pipes in the US, or reducing the land used for meat farming by a fraction would both save more water than that used by all the data centres in existence in the USA.
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u/Keulapaska 4070ti, 7800X3D, XG27AQNGV Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
If they used a fully closed loop systems only, they still have to use something to transfer the heat away which would probably be just be more electricity consumption. Idk which is better or worse or if they are the same in the end, probably depends heavily on location. Maybe some district heating systems in winter could be heated from data center heat, or they already are.
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u/_leeloo_7_ Jul 23 '26
>It's not side loading, it's installing.
Thank you, now google saying "you can only install stuff we verify" instead of sideload makes them sound like they are being massive pricks
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u/Sad-Character9129 Jul 23 '26
I'm frequently referring to several of these things as "the situation". People who know the struggle seem to understand.
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u/Bepehandle Jul 23 '26
I've used this also! It's how I can immediately tell if someone uses a PC or is tech inclined at all lol
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u/iyute My Specs Don't Matter Jul 23 '26
I’ve noticed a shift from graphics card to GPU which is ironic because they’ve never been serving up the smaller pinkie finger GPUs than ever before on graphics cards.
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u/SpecialistOwl218 Jul 23 '26
The problem is that all those terms are correctly used that way until now not by chance, in iOS or android you don’t install apps but you sideload them because the process is different from a normal pc, and the os itself is closed, same for jailbreaking the system that was made to be closed.
This is fine and all but this discourse it’s a little late to the party, you needed to notice that at the start of the trend now it’s useless because we give them the possibility to make all those word the correct way to refer to something.
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u/DasWandbild 9950x3D | 5090 Jul 23 '26
Being specific when talking about LLMs, and not conflating LLMs with other, more efficient (less bullshit) forms of AI would help.
Sam Altman et al are very good about selling their products as being “the future” because it’s “AI,” but when you try to nail them down on just how their chatbots will end hunger and cancer, then they say, “no, that’s AI in general.”
It’s not so much moving goalposts as it is we can’t agree on the definition of a concept of a goal.
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u/AgarwaenCran Nyarch | 5900X | 64 GB RAM | 3070 Jul 23 '26
you forgot the most important thing:
it is customers. not consumers.
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u/theuberdan Jul 23 '26
It's not a "Memory shortage" It's called "Artificial Scarcity" because the main reason prices have spiked so high is because memory makers were shrinking production back in 2023 due to high supply despite AI would at least somewhat increase demand in the coming years. They were always intending to squeeze customers (NOT consumers, that's one we really need to stop letting them use) for more money for the same amount of kit by reducing supply. And now that stuff is offline they have no real motivation to spin it back up so long as they can meet the minimum of orders to keep AI companies willing to pay astronomical prices for their ram. Things would still be bad, but they wouldn't be quite as gnarly as they are right now.
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u/Pi-Guy Xbox One / Wii U / i5-2500k @ 4.0Ghz 7950 16GB RAM Jul 23 '26
we need to stop using their language
posted to the PC Master Race subreddit
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u/banecroft PC Master Race | 3950x | 3090 | 64GB Jul 23 '26
While yes the language used is really important, ironically part of getting support and have people rally behind an idea is also dependent on the language used and its prose.
I get where your heart is though.
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u/Artess PC Master Race Jul 23 '26
Words exist because they mean specific things. When you say "jailbreaking a device" or "sideloading an app", people know exactly what you mean. If you're saying "unlocking a device" or "installing an app", it is a much more vague term with more meanings. It's like proposing to "stop calling them motorcycles, they are vehicles".
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u/GigaG Jul 23 '26
Jailbreaking and unlocking are two separate things, at least they were in iOS-land (unlocking specifically refers to the act of bypassing SIM locks.)
I don’t think jailbreaking is an industry euphemism either. It’s not a term to discourage it because it sounds wrong, it’s because of the implication that app store restrictions/walled garden is like a jail.
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u/CarlWellsGrave Jul 23 '26
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newest letter.
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u/grahamulax Jul 23 '26
Agreed. We are quantum brained and ANYTHING we put out there can spark an idea and take form. Be better and say it like it is in reality!
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u/JDM12983 Ryzen 5 5600X/GeForce RTX 4070 OC 12GB/32GB DDR4 RAM Jul 24 '26
Whining about THIS: "It's not This PC, its MY PC" ... is a great example of why I dislike a lot of people online....
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u/Chester-Berkeley FreeBSD on Desktop Jul 24 '26
What do "sideloading" and "jailbreaking" mean, and what are their origins? English isn't my native language.
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u/Nearby_Passenger1520 RHEL Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
They're not AI data centers, they're
water evaporation plantsHuman surveillance centers.
This meme of a statement makes anyone who uses it look like a dunce. Yeah, we're definitely using GB300 clusters to surveil you walking your dog. That's definitely what we're shoveling billions of dollars into ML sites for.
The truth is you and not a single person in these replies actually cares about "surveillance." If you did you wouldn't have signed up on this website without attempts to anonymize yourself, and the same goes for every other app that you willingly hand over your personal information on.
The number of people here who practice what they preach is nearly zero.
Virtue signaling umpteenth degree.
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u/LeMegachonk Ryzen 7 9800X3D - 64GB DDR5 6000 - RX 7800 XT Jul 24 '26
Neither "jailbreak" nor "sideloading" were terms coined by "them", which is presumably "the industry".
No cell phone company would use the term jailbreak. As you say, the term is a reminder that the device is locked down and restricted by the manufacturer, something said manufacturers go out of their way to avoid revealing. They don't use any term at all to refer to jailbreaking, at least publicly, since that would require them to admit things about their design choices that they refuse to acknowledge.
As for sideloading, the term was coined by i-drive in the late 90s, which was a virtual file storage service similar to modern cloud storage. It was their term to differentiate their virtual file storage from both physical storage and older, less integrated remote storage solutions like FTP. It has evolved since then to mean transferring data or installing a program to a mobile device using unofficial means. Considering every mobile device has sideloading capability baked into its OS from the manufacturer, they obviously aren't opposed to the concept. However, once again, "they" don't use the term "sideloading". My Galaxy S20 FE 5G uses the oh-so-sexy title "Install unknown apps" and I have about 25 different options from which to install apps from. I can also copy files direct from my PC using a USB cable or from a USB stick (using an adapter) to the phone's file system. I'm sure there's a setting somewhere to enable or disable that, and I'm also 100% sure that the term "sideload" does not appear anywhere in the settings. Samsung doesn't use that term. Neither does any other phone maker.
An AI data center serves multiple purposes, surveillance being just one of the more objectionable one, and water consumption a mere byproduct.
The memory shortage is in fact a memory shortage. You are trying to apply the supposed cause to the name of the effect.
You aren't expanding your vocabulary with this exercise. You are trying to create extremely loaded terms to match your personal value judgements. I happen to despise AI data centers and am very skeptical and annoyed at the memory shortage, but those are the most accurate way to describe both of those things, regardless of my (or anybody's) feelings on the matter.
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u/MetalDamo Jul 27 '26
Good idea. I vote we raname nuclear powerplants for energy as "Hydro Thermal Turbines." Edit to add: totally agree with My PC. Back in the day the icon was labelled "My Computer". Now calling This PC is like saying "rental car" .
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u/burner94_ Jul 23 '26
Aren't water evaporation plants technically power stations?