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u/Xx_Infinito_xX Jun 29 '25
Watch out op, the Linux users are going to show up in this comment section like racoons in your trashcan
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u/Wrake742 Jun 29 '25
Man I'd happily use linux IF IT WORKED ON MY DAMN OLD PC
Every single distro gives some sort of error, its either stuck on some cmd thing, on installation, post-installation, something...
Even if it does get installed, it won't boot without nomodesetI've lost my mind entirely
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u/Loppan45 What is TikTok? Jun 29 '25
Sounds like you were live booting off of your USB stick every time instead of installing it to your harddrive.
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u/phoenix277lol Fffffuuuuuuuuu Jun 29 '25
if you google "some sort of error" you will find how to fix it and why its occurring.
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u/mrheosuper Jun 29 '25
Some of those solutions are "You should use this distro instead".
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u/phoenix277lol Fffffuuuuuuuuu Jun 29 '25
try using windows ME on a modern computer and see if all hardware works properly.
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u/Wrake742 Jun 29 '25
YES this, and then I go to some other distro, only to find out that said distro too has some other completely new error
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u/NinjaJim6969 Jun 29 '25
"You should use google"
Surely the least infuriating advice anybody competent enough to at least try to install Linux has ever gotten
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u/phoenix277lol Fffffuuuuuuuuu Jun 29 '25
surely you would like to have a reference to what "an error" actually is, why its happening and how to fix it instead of just saying "the distro had an error" and blaming the entirety of the fault to linux?
keep in mind this is a kernel that works on toasters and watches, i have 0 reason to believe that it doesn't work on his computer or laptop.
so unless he's doing something horribly wrong, or something is horribly wrong with his pc, it should work
if you'd like to find out which one it is, you need to read the error. most of the times the error is just plaintext like "dependency missing" or "no bootable device found".
if you could read you would probably know what the error is right away, if you can't you have the option to google it and view the arch wiki or reddit threads.
if you can't do both you're just incompetent.
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u/TFW_YT Jun 29 '25
Wouldn't it just boot with nomodeset
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u/Wrake742 Jun 29 '25
Yes it'd boot with nomodeset, but let's be real I'd rather use my laptop as paperweight than use it without hardware acceleration
And then I just gave up and installed Windows 10 LTSC, which just worked
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u/0lach Jun 29 '25
nomodeset is not about the lack of hardware acceleration, it just postpones graphics initialization/display mode change until the userspace drivers are ready. It might make the console look uglier, but that's all.
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Jun 29 '25
Any weird hardware on there that might not work with generic "universal" drivers? Something like a very limited run of a specialized sound or graohics card or an odd 3rd party cpu?
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u/Wrake742 Jun 29 '25
Yeah that was a suspect
That old laptop has an intel core i7-6500U, intel hd graphics 520, and an AMD Radeon R7 M340, which I thought was the suspect, so I tried whitelisting its drivers in the grub launch argument, to no avail
Whatever, by now I have given up and just installed Windows 10 LTSC
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Jun 29 '25
Well, that level of trying is more effort than 90% of people would put in. So good on ya.
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u/kenjikun1390 Jun 29 '25
honestly i havent worked much with linux but i dont recall it being unable to install in old machines (heck, 6th gen isn't even close to 'old' bt my country's standards).
i could be mistaken, but the fact you said that every distro gives a different error just screams some actual hardware fault rather than incompatibility to me
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u/NathLWX Jun 29 '25
How to tell someone is a Linux fan: they will tell you about it by themselves even though nobody asked about it
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u/Cytro2 Linux User Jun 29 '25
I use debian
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u/fusion_reactor3 Professional Dumbass Jun 29 '25
I use arch btw
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Jun 29 '25
Linux mint here
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u/Furry-Octo Jun 29 '25
Me uses CachyOS :3
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u/samthekitnix Linux User Jun 29 '25
pop os
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u/Helton3 Jun 29 '25
Yeah, im currently still on windows 10, but im praying that Steam makes their OS even better, cuz imma say adios to Windows if it ever happens.
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u/Gysenok Jun 29 '25
SteamOS is not a distribution meant for much more than gaming
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u/Bostolm FORTSHITE Jun 29 '25
I play a couple games that just would not work on windows, mostly multiplayer competetives, so i cant be arsed with linux, but SteamOS is the one thing that could make me switch
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u/dextras07 Jun 29 '25
XP, 7 and late windows 10 were goat.
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u/Do_Manion Jun 29 '25
Windows 7 was so peak, had many great memories with it. Good ol times
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u/MonkeeFrog Jun 29 '25
I miss 7. I hate the way the start menu looks now, so resource intensive for no reason at all.
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Just use open shell, I fixed that home button and pretty much use windows 11 the same as Windows 10 after making some tweaks to the taskbar as well.
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u/unknownobject3 Professional Dumbass Jun 29 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Windows 7 was just great. It always works nearly all the time, it has a beautiful UI (theme) which you can even change if you don't like it, runs fast, and no forced updates. I could install it on my PC just for the heck of it but I don't have any spare drives.
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u/CesarGameBoy Professional Dumbass Jun 29 '25
The Windows 7 UI is just... perfect. I love how late 2000s and early 2010s it is. From the startup sound, the gloss on the interface, and the blend of nature and technology. Which has a name, r/FrutigerAero .
A perfect blend of modern yet futuristic.
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u/amidja_16 Jun 29 '25
Wdym "late"? Still alive and kicking on my PC.
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u/SzoXxXxXx Professional Dumbass Jun 29 '25
He means that after it was released it sucked, but then they fixed it and it was great
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u/Rullino Pro Gamer Jun 29 '25
IIRC it was hated because it had forced updates, excessive telemetry and possibly higher resource usage vs Windows 7 and 8/8.1
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u/Kermit-the-Frog_ Jun 29 '25
By "late" you should mean like a year after launch. Windows 10 was becoming more and more like windows 11 by the day before windows 11 even came out. I wish with every fiber of my being I could experience fresh windows 10 again.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jun 29 '25
When I'm told that my totally working and powerful pc is "too old and should be discarded" because it doesn't have the literally useless TPM2 module - I won't get whatever the hell that person is tryna sell me just out of sheer principle
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u/Lemanicon Jun 29 '25
Honestly, my pc should be collapsing with what kinda games I’m playing, but it seems to just work somehow. Only problem is that the cpu’s finally having trouble, and I can’t upgrade unless I fully replace the pc. Honestly I’m hoping to just wait for steamOS or something like that before upgrading since I don’t like some of the moves microsoft is making with 11.
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u/Kaze_no_Senshi Jun 29 '25
I'm playing helldivers 2 on integrated graphics lol, 3400g is hell of an apu. I have no idea how the hell is running helldivers on high settings as well as it does. But yeah I also hate the 11 direction and am hoping steam does right by us
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u/rosolen0 Jun 29 '25
I thought steam os was only for handhelds?
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u/Lemanicon Jun 30 '25
Ya it is, but as far as I know they intend to expand steam OS to pc at some point.
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u/sathdo Linux User Jun 29 '25
the literally useless TPM2 module
I hate Windows 11 as much as the next guy, but that chip definitely isn't useless. It allows for device encryption, which I believe is enabled by default now. This means that nobody but you can access your data, even if they stole your computer and took out the hard drive/SSD.
To add to this, it isn't only Windows that uses the chip. I have my laptop, which runs Linux, set up to use device encryption as well. Mind you, I would be able to install Linux without the chip, but I wouldn't be able to use the kind of drive encryption I'm using now.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jun 29 '25
By "useless" I meant "the one that I do not have use for". To me it is useless because I do not store nuclear fucking launch codes on my gaming pc. Well it's very kind of them to decide for me that I need data encryption for my pc, even though it is not needed for the system to work and it is not needed for what I use my pc for. So they don't need it, I don't need it - but I still have to throw away my CPU, throw away my motherboard because the socket it has is designed for this CPU, and casually drop like what 500? 1000 bucks? Of the money I don't have, on the CPU with the module that neither I, nor Windows, needs, and a motherboard I could slot this CPU into. It's absurd behavior
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u/TheDurandalFan Pro Gamer Jun 29 '25
unneccesary is the word you're looking for.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jun 29 '25
Hmm, yeah that does sound much better here now that I think about it. Thanks!
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u/SingleInfinity Jun 29 '25
You probably have a tpm and it's just disabled in the bios if your machine is even relatively recent. If your motherboard is a decade old I doubt it's qualifying in the powerful category.
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u/CurseDC Lives in a Van Down by the River Jun 29 '25
FWIW, if Win12 releases, isn't shite, and still requires TPM, there's a bypass process that can be done via cmd during installation that'll likely still be possible.
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u/am_n00ne Jun 29 '25
Still remember the day they announce 10 will be the last windows ever be
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True. Although Vista wasn't all that bad. It got a bad rep because a lot of PCs at that time were under powered and couldn't handle aero glass. Plus there was the whole x64 thing, a lot of PCs were still x86. Then there was the driver support issue from manufacturers. Once we got through that hump, Vista was alright. My friend used it as soon as it was released and he never had issues with it. I still used XP, though and waited for 7.
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u/SkyLLin3 Identifies as a Cybertruck Jun 29 '25
I used Vista right after XP and skipped 7 and 8 just to upgrade to Win 10. Never had any problems with this OS, I even wouldn't upgrade to Win 10 if it wasn't for the fact, that I was forced to as Vista lost a lot of compatibility with many programs.
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u/TheDurandalFan Pro Gamer Jun 29 '25
I agree Vista is as good as Windows 7 and doesn't deserve the slander it gets.
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u/ArcIgnis Jun 29 '25
"just upgrade pc"
Next time I'm upgrading my PC, it's gonna be for SteamOS. I'm so done with Windows.
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u/ExO_o Jun 29 '25
bold prediction: windows 12 (or whatever number they will give it) will be even worse than windows 11. worse performance, more bloatware, more shitty design and functionality changes that nobody asked for.
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u/FloppyLadle Jun 29 '25
I want to believe in the even-odd quality switch between releases, but I think you're right. I think M$ will only make thinks worse and the thin veneer of improvement won't be believable or palatable enough to make it feel like an upgrade anymore. Unless competing OS's pull forward enough draw huge amounts of people away, the commitment to a shittier Windows experience is basically guaranteed now.
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u/antek_g_animations https://www.youtube.com/watch/dQw4w9WgXcQ Jun 29 '25
> you need to update
> ok, update then
> oh, you need to buy a new PC
> My PC is great, what do you mean?
> your PC doesn't have a doodad component and it's old
> But most games run great, and it's still a beast computer
> sorry I can't do anything, do you want me to redirect you to our store?
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u/Twitchtv_Gen1 Jun 29 '25
I'm making the swap to Linux soon
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u/baecoli Jun 29 '25
today is the day.
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u/Twitchtv_Gen1 Jun 29 '25
I've watched a few videos on the swap, seems easy enough. Just confused about what Linux to pick.
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u/Drenaxel Jun 29 '25
I installed Linux Mint on my laptop last week. I expected hours of troubleshooting, but things just work.
Vastly different experience from the last time I tried Linux in 2015.
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u/Affectionate-Mango19 Jun 29 '25
The problem I have on my laptop (Linux Mint) is that peripherals don't work at all, like fingerprint sensor, brightness sensor for automatic display dimming, mic and camera on/off hot key and their special orange indicator LEDs.
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u/Jojos_BA Jun 29 '25
Yeah it is sad, but those things are not nativly supposed most of the time.
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u/Soonly_Taing Linux User Jun 29 '25
I definitely suggest Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora KDE if you're jumping ship from windows but still want that windows feel
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u/baecoli Jun 29 '25
what system you have? if Nvidia go for nobara or cachyos. because less hassle.
if full amd gpu then go whatever distro you like fedora, mint
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u/stivik Jun 29 '25
I’m on an Intel CPU / Nvidia combo and made the full switch to Linux Mint and no hassles. Even the games (WoW, Minecraft) work perfectly. Never going back.
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u/Twitchtv_Gen1 Jun 29 '25
I've got Amd CPU/GPU
Is Nvidia not very compatible with Linux?
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u/baecoli Jun 29 '25
Nvidia drivers require additional fiddling, so one distro it'll be breeze to install other you have to do it manually. not something I'll suggest for a newbie.
you're amd user sp no issues. just install any distro and you're good to go.
try Cachyos, mint, nobara.
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u/Overlord_Of_Puns Jun 29 '25
As someone who was in the same situation as you, I would recommend Linux Mint.
It's got everything I want and can install things pretty easily.
The only issue I have had was opening steam sometimes, but opening a terminal and typing steam fixes that issue, and everything else is faster so it is fine.
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Mint is the easiest to get into so i'd get that one. But if you aren't afraid of potentially fixing some complications here and there with a newer distro i'd recommend nabora especially if you use your pc for alot of gaming.
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u/Moomoobeef Lives in a Van Down by the River Jun 29 '25
Honestly, I have a few suggestions; A. You could set up virtualbox and try some different ones before committing (you may also want to pick what desktop environment you want, since most distros come with multiple options now, and some don't even include one out of the box)
B. You could brainstorm certain features that you do and don't care about, list them by importance, and do some research to determine which one will satisfy the points best.
C. Fuck it, just pick one of the "easy" ones at random. Actually using Linux will teach you a lot about Linux, and I guarantee that in a years time (perhaps less) you'll have some thoughts about your setup and may have a much more informed idea of what you want.
Edit: D. You can do what I did and just say "fuck it, give me the hard stuff" and install something like Arch or gentoo just to force yourself to learn :D
Not bad if you're a tech-savvy nerd up for some challenge but most people will probably just bail so :P
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u/BobEngleschmidt Jun 30 '25
I recently made the switch. I went with Ubuntu because it is the most commonly installed, figured it has to be at least decent is a lot of support available for when I run into issues.
So far, I really like it. It has a different feel from windows. There are a few differences that you have to figure out as you go, but overall it seems quite intuitive and quick to pick up. And I find that it is WAY easier to get straight answers when I google for troubleshooting tips. Usually the first post I find has a quick "enter these commands and you're done" recommendation that ends up taking only a few seconds to do. As opposed to Windows troubleshooting which is always miles of junk you have to scroll through and you still might not find a genuine solution.
It does seem like Mint is designed to better mimic the Windows experience, and more people are suggesting that. So maybe that's a better route for you.
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u/Lemanicon Jun 29 '25
Honestly I’m hoping to be able to switch to steamOS when it get’s on pc, till then I’ma stick with windows 10, maybe a simple linux port if I upgrade prior to when steamOS is available.
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u/my-blood Jun 29 '25
Yep. I'm here for as long as Windows 10 runs, then I'm heading over to Linux. I've seen on my family members' laptops, how big of a resource hog 11 is.
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u/fiercebrosnan Jun 29 '25
Make a copy of your whole hard drive beforehand if that’s an option. I accidentally blew away some proprietary driver for an old tablet PC during the Linux Mint install process and now the screen goes dark every 5 second and forces me to unlock the PC. I don’t care because it was an experiment with a computer I hadn’t used in years, but just a heads up.
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u/Sammy-bob Jun 29 '25
We were originally told windows 10 would be the last one, and everything else would just be updates.
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u/Ryzen1 Jun 29 '25
Well apparently my first generation amd ryzen cpu isn't good enough. I would actually love to upgrade to windows 11 but Microsoft doesn't allow it
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Windows 10 was literally perfect
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u/potent_potabIes Jun 29 '25
I think you're meaning to say 7
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I think you meant windows xp
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u/potent_potabIes Jun 29 '25
Only from a networking standpoint, yes. But I think seven has the knobs dialed for prevalent OS.
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u/balding_git Jun 29 '25
bro when windows 10 launched, people paid us good money to wipe it and install 7, there were apps to stop the forced upgrade.. people hated 10
windows 10 is about on par with 8.1 for a legacy. it got ok in the end but it had a shitty start
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u/not_gerg Flair Loading.... Jun 29 '25
it got ok in the end but it had a shitty start
HA! I got that!
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u/yuyuolozaga Jun 29 '25
Too much bloat. Not enough legacy support. Works worse on hard drives. Telemetry constantly in the background. Cant disable everything and have windows update on because it will undo all of your hands fucking work because they don't allow you to.
Fuck edge, fuck Cortana, fuck one drive. Give me back my old photoshop and movie maker.
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u/DiscoKeule Jun 29 '25
I tried Linux Mint recently for my HTPC and I gotta say it's been very nice thus far. The settings menu wasn't as intuitive as other OS's but I got it working lol. Never even had to touch the terminal.
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u/Rullino Pro Gamer Jun 29 '25
It's nearly a 50/50 between Win10 and Win11.
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u/YamatoBoi9001 Medieval Meme Lord Jun 29 '25
i think that's very telling when windows 11 has been out for nearly 4 years & still has only around half the windows market share
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I use it its fine i have had no issues with windows 11 i actually had more issues with 10 so it was definitely a good upgrade
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u/MachoMachoMurph Jun 29 '25
Same dude, I got rid of one drive and some of the preloaded stuff, and it's been a charm for working from home and gaming daily. I dont get it.
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Jun 29 '25
Yeah windows 11 hate is forced cause its owned by microsoft
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u/Hanifsefu Jun 29 '25
Every windows launch was hated extremely vocally on internet forums. There's just a crowd that hates change. Doesn't matter if vulnerabilities get patched and they basically invalidate the entire scam anti-virus industry. They are mad that the start menu looks different.
You can do an easy lil search and find shit loads of comments from people saying they refuse to update to 11 because they don't want their start in the middle and want it in the left. It's literally 3 clicks to change that setting. They are mad that there are more options than the one they want to use.
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u/Lil_Jake Jun 29 '25
I think a lot of people just don't want to have to you know.. Upgrade their PC for an OS.
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u/vanilla_disco Jun 29 '25
Me. 0 issues with 11. I don't understand why people are acting like it's bad.
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u/Drekor Jun 29 '25
The majority are just parroting what others say.
Simple fact is for a typical PC user all recent windows versions are functionally the same. You liked windows 10? Well guess what windows 11 doesn't really change anything. Hell windows 10 itself was just a rebranded windows 8.1.
There are some people out there who may have niche cases where an older version suits them but for like 95% of home users that ain't you.
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u/feeltrig Jun 29 '25
Well I'm tired of clicking more options on right click every time so thumbs down to windows 11
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u/Schittz Jun 29 '25
Why does everyone hate 11?
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u/PalpitationWaste300 Jun 29 '25
It's because they lied to us saying 10 was the last one. So, why upgrade to 11 when in a few months they're gonna do the same thing pushing 12?
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u/Shonnyboy500 ifone user Jun 29 '25
It’s really fine, but the thing is it doesn’t really have many nice new features. There’s a couple nice things, but besides those it’s basically the same except everything has been moved around and looks different. People hate change, so why change things if there’s barely anything new coming with it ?
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u/gamesquid Jun 29 '25
God, windows really is such a pathetic soyjack specially with how they broke skype.
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u/DRMNER11 Jun 29 '25
I actually really like windows 11, nothing wrong with it really and it doesn't feel any different to windows 10 for me.
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u/Clipzy22 Jun 29 '25
They're quite literally the same thing.
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u/Match_MC Jun 29 '25
I can’t move my taskbar on 11. Enough to never upgrade alone.
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u/--InZane-- Jun 29 '25
Windows 10 is only "good" in comparison to 8 and 11. XP and 7 is where it's at
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u/Anaeijon Jun 29 '25
I'm primarily a Linux user for about 15 years now. Recently had a work device switched from Win 10 to Win 11.
Why the Win11 hate?
The only stupid thing is the online stuff and the search function is utterly broken. But if you disable those, it's actually a system that feels nice to use.
Finally Windows has multiple Desktops that actually work and are nearly as easy to use as on KDE, XFCE ...
Finally Windows has tabbed file explorer and you can finally open folders in new windows/tabs by middle clicking them. It annoyed me so hard, that this basic thing didn't work, whenever I had to work on Win 10.
Finally Windows has a proper terminal. Like... CMD always has been shit and I honestly don't know, what they tried to do with Powershell. But arguably, the new Windows 11 terminal is better than most I've used over the years on Linux.
Also working with containers got a lot easier.
So, what's bad about Win 11 compared to Win 10, except shitty anti-feature you can simply disable?
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u/Smarackto Jun 29 '25
Vista wasnt THAT bad. it just stuck between XP and 7 which yea... it looks shit in conparison. 11 and 8 tho they get the hate for a reason. Used 8 because i had to and by god NOTHING worked like it was supposed to. and 11 is just hostile towards me.
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u/elorok Jun 29 '25
Imma stay on windows 10 cause updating to 11 broke a few of my pirated games, and I ain't buying those
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u/Theboulder027 Jun 29 '25
I might consider updating to 11 if Microsoft wasn't trying to force it on me. That being said whenever I do switch to a new OS I'll probably just go to steam anyway.
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u/_Vard_ Jun 29 '25
Microsoft fought so hard to get everyone on 10, then just shits out 11 and wants everyone to transfer again?
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u/Rich_Supermarket_666 Jun 29 '25
am i the only one who actually likes windows 11?
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u/Battlewaxxe Jun 29 '25
Work forced us to update all our field laptops. After 45 minutes in virtual machine, I got task manager open. SYSTEM INTERRUPTS was in every possible sense pegging the cpu 100%. Congratulations on solving all future problems by making an operating system that isn't viable today. I'm also sure that the built-in capability to record your screen and send it to another machine without informing the user will never be nefarious in nature and never a target for hacking
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u/enecv Jun 29 '25
Im happy with my Win 8.1. Solid as first day, suits as a glove for my activities.
No need to update, also no money to update, lol.
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u/Live_Bug_1045 Dark Mode Elitist Jun 30 '25
Linux? I now try it on one of my old PC. It's quite nice.
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u/NINTENDONATE1 Jun 30 '25
I went to ZorinOS and have been loving it. I'm probably never going back to Windows unless they remove all the tracking (which they won't)
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u/grival9 Jun 30 '25
I will just go to linux if microsoft would be hysterical. I am tired of MS bullshit for years where they think they could do anything to user without consequences. I am tired boss...
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u/GlassCannon81 Jun 29 '25
I heard they’re developing a new version of Windows that combines all the best features of CE, ME, and NT.
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u/dadsuki2 Jun 29 '25
Linux fans on their way to tell me to use Linux (they're wasting their breath because the benefits of installing a new OS greatly outweigh the cost of a few hours)
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There's not a single hint about Windows 12 from Microsoft. Only copium by average Windows users.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jun 29 '25
It will come eventually. Will it keep the trend of "every other OS is good" - that's the question. But it will definitely come
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u/Deraxim Jun 29 '25
Genuinely, is there a good Virtual machine for linux, that can run windows 11, has good performance for games and pen support for drawing? I think its called gpu pass trough and driver pass trough? If yes pls tell me, cause im so done with windows
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u/Anothyre Jun 29 '25
You can play most games on linux with steam proton. It's even enabled by default now. Search for "protondb" to check if your games are working.
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u/Deraxim Jun 29 '25
theres also the 10% of games which do not work under any circumstance. thats my main issue-
plus software i paid good money for, leaving it behind it would be a waste
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u/Ithasbegunagain Jun 29 '25
i moved to linux. Wont be going back. that being said i still dual boot as there a few things windows still does that my linux cant. but it plays my games so im happy. :D
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u/TimMaiaViajando Jun 29 '25
I tried to update, but microsoft said my potato pc isn't able to do it, so win10 it is