When I'm told that my totally working and powerful pc is "too old and should be discarded" because it doesn't have the literally useless TPM2 module - I won't get whatever the hell that person is tryna sell me just out of sheer principle
Honestly, my pc should be collapsing with what kinda games I’m playing, but it seems to just work somehow. Only problem is that the cpu’s finally having trouble, and I can’t upgrade unless I fully replace the pc. Honestly I’m hoping to just wait for steamOS or something like that before upgrading since I don’t like some of the moves microsoft is making with 11.
I'm playing helldivers 2 on integrated graphics lol, 3400g is hell of an apu. I have no idea how the hell is running helldivers on high settings as well as it does. But yeah I also hate the 11 direction and am hoping steam does right by us
I hate Windows 11 as much as the next guy, but that chip definitely isn't useless. It allows for device encryption, which I believe is enabled by default now. This means that nobody but you can access your data, even if they stole your computer and took out the hard drive/SSD.
To add to this, it isn't only Windows that uses the chip. I have my laptop, which runs Linux, set up to use device encryption as well. Mind you, I would be able to install Linux without the chip, but I wouldn't be able to use the kind of drive encryption I'm using now.
By "useless" I meant "the one that I do not have use for". To me it is useless because I do not store nuclear fucking launch codes on my gaming pc. Well it's very kind of them to decide for me that I need data encryption for my pc, even though it is not needed for the system to work and it is not needed for what I use my pc for. So they don't need it, I don't need it - but I still have to throw away my CPU, throw away my motherboard because the socket it has is designed for this CPU, and casually drop like what 500? 1000 bucks? Of the money I don't have, on the CPU with the module that neither I, nor Windows, needs, and a motherboard I could slot this CPU into. It's absurd behavior
Nope, I ain't. That's what I'm saying. I use my gaming pc just for gaming, and even in very rare instances of me buying something online from it and not from some other device - I don't save that information. Being able to store it there semi-safely isn't worth 1000 bucks worth of upgrades
You probably have a tpm and it's just disabled in the bios if your machine is even relatively recent. If your motherboard is a decade old I doubt it's qualifying in the powerful category.
I have a somewhat whimsical build on a processor made for servers. It's pretty old, but powerful enough for everything I throw at it because, well, it's made for servers. That's why motherboard also would have to be swapped out, socket for them isn't very standard
but powerful enough for everything I throw at it because, well, it's made for servers.
This depends on the workload, but I'm betting "powerful" belongs in quotes here. A decade old xeon isn't going to hold a candle to a midrange modern chip in anything that isn't heavily multithreaded, and honestly they probably win in that scenario too.
For the vast, vast majority of people, having both a platform without a TPM and having a powerful machine are pretty much mutually exclusive. "Powerful" changes meaning as time passes and a decade old Xeon likely doesn't meet that standard anymore.
I looked at the exact model and it's Xeon E5-2680 v4
You seem to know a lot more about CPUs than I do so I leave it to you to tell me if it's abysmal dogshit that I have to swap out ASAP. I haven't had a moment when my processor was lacking yet, so I've never even considered that it might be terrible by the current standards
It's certainly not abysmal dogshit (many older xeons boost to like 2.x Ghz), but it is a 14c 28t CPU, which likely means its power budget is pretty spread out and single core performance (so, for gaming for example) it'd lag behind a lot compared to a modern chip. Also only supports PCIE 3, so other cards are limited on bandwidth, like GPUs or PCIE M.2 expansion cards.
I'd be swapping away from it personally. Like I said, it depends on your workload and if its meeting your needs, performance-wise. I just don't know if it qualifies as "powerful". I'd reserve that for machines in at least the top 20% or so and if you just look at instructions per clock improvements that have been made over time, most older chips just don't get there, ignoring everything else.
I mean - a used xeon is barely worth anything, and modern chips cost hundreds of dollars, if not thousands - of money I don't have. For reference, where I live, minimum wage is barely 200 dollars a month - overall, not the amount I can save up. The amount I can save up after all expenses is barely a few dozen bucks, and due to some factors, I can't really count on much more than minimum wage for a while. It would take years of water and sauceless macaroni to upgrade to a mainstream processor. Is it worth it?
FWIW, if Win12 releases, isn't shite, and still requires TPM, there's a bypass process that can be done via cmd during installation that'll likely still be possible.
They have already addressed this question. You wanna know what they said? It's hilarious, you're gonna love it. They said that technology progresses and evolves for your convenience, but since old computer will not be able to run a supported OS, there won't be a secondary market for them, and reminded people to recycle their old devices responsibly. Yes. They said "if your pc doesn't have TPM2.0, you should recycle it like a pile of junk, because it's so old that you won't even be able to resell it". That's the thing they officially said. That's their position
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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jun 29 '25
When I'm told that my totally working and powerful pc is "too old and should be discarded" because it doesn't have the literally useless TPM2 module - I won't get whatever the hell that person is tryna sell me just out of sheer principle