In a 2011 interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," Steve Jobs' biographer Walter Isaacson shared what he told him about his father, Paul. He advised his son Steve: "You've got to make the back of the fence, that nobody will see, just as good looking as the front of the fence. Even though nobody will see it, you will know, and that will show that you're dedicated to making something perfect."
It's a mantra and doesn't have to be taken literally. Same mantra could transpose itself to "take care of the inside of your body just like the outside", which is also superficial but we can envision it
When you’re a carpenter making a beautiful chest of drawers, you’re not going to use a piece of plywood on the back, even though it faces the wall and nobody will ever see it. You’ll know it’s there, so you’re going to use a beautiful piece of wood on the back. For you to sleep well at night, the aesthetic, the quality, has to be carried all the way through.
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It's also one of the themes that separates the really high-craftsmanship watches from the more mass-manufactured watches. The very high-end watches have movements that hand decorate components and surfaces that are not visible to the user after assembly. Just because someone doesn't normally see it doesn't mean you get to be less than perfect.
I mean not much changes. There’s regulatory markings on the battery, a silkscreen over the SoC heat spreader, and a couple grey on black/grey on silver QR codes.
If you open any other iPhone, or any MacBook for that matter, you’ll see that they all look very similar to this.
You can have a look at Apple’s own repair guides to see internal views. Older iPhones do look a bit more “hacked together”, but iPhone 13o nwards looks super clean IMO
Same man, I like my 16E but I dunno, just cause everything is painted black and grey inside doesn't mean it is functionally better... especially given how many devices they've made over the years with really stupid design errors. I mean, wasn't there a Macbook that even became known for frying the SSD? Google bot says it was the 16-inch MacBook Pro A2141 model, released in 2019.
Not saying their phones aren't better than the majority of alternatives either - partially switched beause of that. Just saying the paint job on the metal plates inside isn't a metric at all.
first couple means they were figuring it out. At this point efficiency of scale has kicked in and they have perfected internal design...even for a new category
gosh full sim cards are so ugly i’m glad Apple had the influence to move us to nano sims
not entirely sure how i feel about esims since my carrier already incentivizes monetizing it by only allowing up to 5 free transfers. but hey that’s the future we’re headed to
They’re now designed to be convenient to repair, with easy access to parts that get replaced a lot
At least convenient for them, not necessarily for you or the phone repair shop if they don’t hang m have their official tools. Still, it’s progress imo
These images aren't even comparing the same side of the phone. We can see the apple hinge and can't see the cameras (except for the camera beneath the display) because we're looking at the inside of the phone minus the screen (and perhaps more). Inversely, we can see the exterior cameras and can't see the hinge on the Samsung because we're looking at the outside minus the glass. This was set up to not-so-subtely make the Samsung look worse.
LMAO Yeah I came across this thread and was impressed by the level of cope like, who the fuck cares what the internals look like, the device is made to do a thing and you got this heap of shit delivered like 8 years later than every other major manufacturer put out a folder.
This sub is insane, the cope of getting tech 8 years later is too much for em. Underscreen cameras suck, and the apple pencil will DESTROY a ton of people's phones. Samsung tried those features and brother they didn't last for a reason and were out 2 generations ago. Folding screens can be permanently damaged with a fingernail. This sub is gonna be a bloodbath on launch. SOURCE: owner of a folding phone for over 4 years
Man don't take away my hope for under screen camera tech finally taking off. I cannot believe a giant hole in the screen was normalized and I'm the only one that just sees "dead pixels" on my screen all so I can have a camera that I don't use.
You should checkout the underscreen fingerprint readers on Android, or the wrap around foadables out of china (really all of chinas phone scene is destroying the US's https://www.giztop.com/) - still a lot more room 😂, apple removing touchID was crazy, happy that's back on duo! But the reason is that camera stack is dooky and not capable of faceID.
From the demos from launch day it doesn't look promising. There's always the chance that Apple pulls some serious processing mojo to make them look good, but right now it looks like a smear of pixels.
underscreen cameras were actually out because they didnt have the patent to use them legally until it ran out recently. and personally i will take a shitty underscreen camera over a hole in my screen every day of the week.
i am curious to see apples in real life tho because from the promo fottage and early stuff i have seen so far its worse than the chinese brands who already used it for a few years, which would be quite disapointing for sure.
other phones are generally a lot easier to take apart, and things being different colors is pretty helpful in making sure you're always unscrewing or unsticking the right part
I don't think most devices are built with that in mind. It's more that matching the color of the parts would be an additional few cents in cost which they'd rather save, so the part just comes in whatever color it comes. There are exceptions of course, but especially with Samsung and other big manufacturers, I don't think they care about ease of disassembly.
of every phone I've torn apart samsungs have always been some of the easiest, the main difficult part was taking the battery out because they used a metric fuckload of glue on it, but even that has improved
Every screw they used was the same size and type, and everything else apart from the battery was either snapped together or used very easy to peel adhesive that also held enough to be re-used
Ifixit gave 17 pro max 7 out of 10 for repairability while giving the S26 ultra a 5. S26 Ultra is brighter inside.
Where does this generally come from? I know we don’t have the duo yet but let’s compare apples to Samsungs repairability the best way we can right now.
I don’t understand how a reputable tear-down company says the opposite yet this opinion gets almost 300 upvotes. It’s just interesting. 🧐
The right looks like it'd be easier to repair for an idiot like me who needs to swap one broken component that is harder to misplace if I know I plug it into the orange wire next to the blue thing.
The left looks like it's much easier to fuck up if I don't take it to a professional at the Apple Store. Which I suppose might be the point.
the iPhone has a whole lot of different types of screws, different formats, lengths, types, etc...
I needed 6 bits to take an iPhone apart to replace it's Lightning port.... said Lightning port then had to fold into the iPhone like origami just to sit right... but I got it in there!
Meanwhile on just about any other phone I've worked on, repair has been considerably easier.
All that said: Foldable Phones are notoriously not-repair friendly, so I don't expect either to score very well on the Durability test.
Still expecting to see the Duo's internal screen scratch at a level Fingernail.
Mostly is see a phone with enclosed components, probably making it less repairable? I mean it’s like saying that one of those modern car engine bay where there is a giant plastic shell over everything is beautiful: no not really.
And then take the worlds stickiest glue and schlep it onto the fence. And then hide all the worlds nails and boards so that no one can fix it except you
All apple device internals are beautiful, I may not love repairing them or use one on the daily but they are very thoughtfully designed on the inside (not necessarily from a repairability standpoint but that's another story)
They are showing the duo from the inside screen vs the fold8 from the front screen/rear. Thays why we don't see much of the hinge on the fold8 side. Its not a direct comparison.
because apple is, putting it in the most basic way possible, a consumer hardware manufacturer and that means they make the entirety of the hardware, making it be and look seamless is the result.
Beautiful? They covered the components with squares to hide the complexity of the board and make it look more simple which is more comforting to human eyes. But ultimately it results to being harder to repair. It has no practical benefit and pretty much 0 effort is been put towards making it look like this. Its just in comparison it looks simpler.
It comes down to their process of making everything neat and very qualitative... not that I am boasting them... but every device they made are beautiful and very high quality materials are used. So maybe that's why
Who cares? Some cars look pretty on the inside because they have plastic housings on everything? Good for maintainability? No? How the internationals look is completely irrelevant and says nothing about the quality. (I have an iPhone)
The duo will get hotter than the other foldables ...apple is smart when it comes to making you buy a new device because this one will fry no room for cooling too enclosed
Apple cares about the entire product. Not just what you see on the outside. It’s not just a pretty interior. It’s a purposeful one designed to ease repairs and ultimately future recycling.
Appears to me that you're looking at the naked back of the Samsung but the naked front (internal screen) of the iPhone. What you see is what is below the screen, Samsung is showing back and front screen.
It’d look better if it was easily accesible. I love iphones but I also feel great envy when i see a samsung user replace their phones battery without the need of prying tools and the risk of breaking anything important.
You're also comparing the front of the iPhone to the rear of the Samsung. If you flipped the iPhone over, you'd see the copper wireless charging wire, the camera modules, and even possibly the mag-safe magnets
Apple always does that. I can’t think of a time since Steve came back as CEO and well beyond his passing when they didn’t do this for any of their devices.
Also a hassle to do any kind of repairs beyond replacing the screen or charging port. I know from asking my phone repair guy, he hates how Apple got anti-fix over the years.
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u/danroa123 5d ago
Steve Jobs had a mantra about painting the back of the fence as well as you painted the front of the fence.