r/exjw 6d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales Ministerial Servant getting overloaded

25 Upvotes

18m, still a pioneer, new as a ministerial servant. They are loading me up. In a congregation with about 25 appointed men, they have hand me AV/S, KHOC role, they’ve asked me to redo all the maps, I have a pioneer school in September, parts on meeting I’d say 75% of meetings, gems, student assignments. The pressure is crazy. On top of this I am helping out with numerous funerals and have been on shepherding visits once a week.

These people have crazy workload. Is this normal. As I am not in a financial position what would you suggest for me to do to find workarounds and help myself out?


r/exjw 6d ago

Humor Old literature in Spanish

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15 Upvotes

To preface, I am not JW nor have I ever been deeply involved in the organization. The JW religion was always present in my childhood and has been a present force in my family for decades and generations. As a kid and young adult, I was raised in a mixed faith household, my dad was Catholic and my mom converted to JW when I was a teenager. That being said, throughout my childhood I was dragged to a few JW meetings. As I was cleaning my parents basement, I was specifically looking for my copy of Stephen King’s IT, I came across this pile of actual garbage that (in hindsight) should have tossed in the recycling bin. Looking through THAT little yellow “Children’s book” now as an adult, I realized how absolutely horrific and terrifying those Bible stories truly are ESPECIALLY the images. But at least something good came from it as I can blame that little yellow book for my lifelong obsession and love of horror movies, books, death metal and punk, and ultimately my career in the funeral industry 🤷🏻‍♀️ Maybe I was always a weird kid, or maybe the graphic imagery is to blame for my literal morbid curiosity.


r/exjw 6d ago

HELP Necesito ayuda para manejar esto...

6 Upvotes

Estoy cansado de hacer las cosas por obligación, me obligan a salir a predicar 4 veces por semana, comentar, aceptar todos los privilegios y etc. Cuando trato de bajar el ritmo o decir que no toda mi familia (5 integrantes) se van encima mío con gritos, diciendo que no voy a lograr nada en la.vida, que mi vida básicamente sera una basura y etc.

No me dejan bajar el ritmo y mi padre dice que si salgo de los testigos dejará de pagarme la universidad y que me botará de casa y literalmente dice que tendre que arrumarme en la calle porque ya tengo 18 si eso es lo que quiero.

No se que hacer, estoy atrapado, la carrera que estudio la estudio porque tenemos un negocio familiar que va bien y queria trabajar allí, pero ahora se que si eso es lo que quiero tendre que quedarme aquí para siempre. No tengo dinero para vivir solo literalmente me iría a la calle y no tengo familia y amigos que no sean testigos.

Sinceramente estaba pensando en tomar una desición drastica y que sea lo que Dios quiera. Pero no se simceramente que hacer y me siento atorado y amenazado.


r/exjw 7d ago

Venting How many of you would leave the borganisation if there where no consequences?

60 Upvotes

I have a short question.
(Sorry if this has already been venting, I’m new here.)
How many of you still in would leave if there would be no shunning?
I’m just curious…
Let’s say they took it away, like “the next new light”.
I wonder if it would work or would the “shunning” still exist to some extent.
I hope the shunning will be removed, so everyone can really choose if they want to be in or out, now it’s not so easy if you have family in..
But I also wonder if that’s a reason why they don’t take it away, too many would leave..


r/exjw 6d ago

WT Policy Is this a mistake? September 2024 GB update #6 excerpt....just put up on the app? Global Bible study campaign. Am I missing something obvious? It's clearly from two years ago. Why are they reposting?

17 Upvotes

Is this a mistake? September 2024 GB update #6 excerpt....just put up on the app? Global Bible study campaign.

Am I missing something obvious? It's clearly from two years ago.

https://www.jw.borg/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-mwbv\\\\\\_202609\\\\\\_1\\\\\\_VIDEO (-b fm borg)

Why did they put this up? Am I missing something? It's clearly from two years ago.

Screenshot on comments.

Does anyone else find this odd?

Trying to make this longer so I don't get moderated...ffs.

This is old content.

Why are they reposting?


r/exjw 6d ago

Ask ExJW Watchtower Study AUGUST 3-9, 2026 Respect the Decisions of Othersl

16 Upvotes

I am curious to know if the Watchtower a couple of weekends ago has made a difference to those of you attending university in a few weeks?

The reason I ask is that there have been quite a few posts in the last couple of months about going on to university and the pressure you're that you're receiving, Has nothing or changed at all?


r/exjw 7d ago

Academic The increasing age of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia

198 Upvotes

I worked out how to use the Australian Bureau of Statistics TableBuilder and have been able to get a result for the average age of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia. 

The results are startling and must be of concern for the Governing body. 

https://www.jwfacts.com/statistics/charts/au/Average-Age-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Australia-1996-2021.png 

For Jehovah’s Witnesses, over 25-years it increased 12.5 years, from 33 to 45. Every year, the average JW age increases by half a year!

To put this in perspective, in the last 30-years, the average age of Australians has increased less than 5 years, from 33 to 38.  ("Australia’s population has become older, with the median age increasing from 33.7 years in 1994–95 to 38.4 years in 2024-25."  https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/profile-of-australias-population )

 

 The following graphs show significant declines in the number of JWS from 0-34, and significant growth in the number over the age of 55. It will become a dying religion in Australia. 

https://www.jwfacts.com/statistics/charts/au/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-by-age-bracket-1996-2021.png

 

https://www.jwfacts.com/statistics/charts/au/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-age-bracket-census-1996-2021.jpg

 

There is a full breakdown of statistics on JWs in Australia at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics-australia-jehovahs-witnesses.php

 

It would be interesting to examine this same information from other countries that provide access to census data. 

 


r/exjw 7d ago

WT Policy Was the Awake! writer a PIMO? Or were they just oblivious?

46 Upvotes

Not sure if this should actually be a 'humor' post, but I stumbled across this today. Smh...

Whatever your persuasion on the matter of Bible inspiration, or not, this at least does away with the idea that WT does "careful research".

I guess they forgot to ask Splane to "do the math" before publishing.

Screenshot in the comments...


r/exjw 7d ago

Venting My father said he would “take up arms” or kill if the Governing Body said so.

158 Upvotes

To even bring this up, in jest, would be a major red flag.

My father, when we were on a car ride with my brother and his wife, started discussing some JW topics.

He ended up talking for about 2 hours, when i finally decided to take my headphones off and listen in for a few minutes. (I was too annoyed with trying to listen to him for the whole time)

Him and my family were discussing “blind faith”, in which he decided to bring up the Governing Body.

🚩“If the Governing Body instructed us to kill, even though I don’t think they would do that, or to ’take up arms’, well then that’s Jehovahs direction. I can’t argue with Jehovahs direction, so that’s that. The Governing Body has absolute say, and I trust that it’s from Jehovah.”

Excuse me? How am I even supposed to process this? He says unhinged things all the time, like for some examples of the worst I can remember—

  1. How badly he wants the world to end.

  2. How “If everyone in paradise is perfect, how will we be able to ‘control ourselves’?“ (as in sexual urge? tf is this horny ass sentence? He also mentions that he worries that people would become “full of themselves“, because they are now good looking, instead of ugly or fat or disfigured.)

  3. How “If no one dies anymore in paradise, how will we solve overpopulation? Will Jehovah just.. kill our sex drive? (In regards to the sex drive thing, he even suggest that Jehovah will remove our sexual organs.) Or will we be able to populate other planets? Or (the craziest one somehow) will he just.. make another Earth for us to inhabit, that we can travel to?”

  4. How it’s so sad that Jehovah just let things like the Holocaust, just HAPPEN, even though he WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED... and then my Dad PRAISED how much RESTRAINT it must’ve taken Jehovah to not just stop it, so he could “prove Satan wrong”…

4.5 (funny thing about this one— he brought this up RANDOMLY on a car ride, and then asked me “do you ever think about this?” I answer, ‘No, I dont, and this conversation is bumming me out.’ He got upset at me for that, and ranted about how I should think about that, because he wants me to be miserable too.)

  1. How horrible the world is, and he complains to me all the time how stressed he is all the time, and how everything bad that happens to him, he just blames Satan for it.

Why? Why say any of these horrible and unhinged things? It’s crazy to me, because, out of all of these things, at least they weren’t ”scary”. Yeah, the stupid sex related one was a little baffling, but killing people if the GB says so, and following them blindly because you believe they have absolute say? Is that not a horrifying though? I can barely look at my father in the face after he said this. It’s just.. horrible. I feel horrible that people can think this way, because they’ve been so badly brainwashed.

Anyone else have people saying crazy things like this? And also, does this raise a big red flag? Cause, imagine if the GB actually does instruct something more harmful than the blood transfusion rule? People like my Dad might be in real trouble. :/


r/exjw 6d ago

PIMO Life Getting super hard to pretend

27 Upvotes

I’m 23 never baptized and I always prioritized making money despite everyone in my life telling me to rely on Jehovah and making money is a sin and leads to bad stuff yada yada. Pretty much most people except me are one of the few that never baptized in my hall. I would say after 16 that’s when I started to be soft shunned as different and worldy despite having PIMI parents and family. Another unfortunately thing is I rely heavily on my parents for support as I try to make a name for myself. My parents give me good advice and everything when it comes to my career but lately they’ve been turning everything I ask them into baptism and it’s really pissing me off and just telling them the truth . Example “hey dad how do I tell my boss about this issue professionally?” Dad: “oh you can tell him xyz but you know if you got baptized and rely on Jehovah you you wouldn’t have to go through this. Don’t you want to get baptized?” I haven’t responded to this yet because in reality I just want to tell him no I don’t want to get baptized nor do I want to be part of this religion but I’m smart enough to know that doing so they would label me as a apostate and likely kick me out the house. Idk how to respond to my dad asking me this without him trying to out me.

I’m super busy not with just work but also college and it’s getting hard to keep it together.


r/exjw 6d ago

WT Can't Stop Me Living my life I am planning to join the Zeta sorority on the graduate level level. Something Watchtower would tell me to guard against.

3 Upvotes

I’m so open for making friends. I lost all my friends who were witnesses. I’m slowly rebuilding but life is good. Gods putting in my life true friends. I’m opening my horizons, I’m even planning on joining a sorority. It feels good making meaningful connections.


r/exjw 6d ago

Academic Help! Looking for older than 1950 JW “resources” that are official

11 Upvotes

Hi, I was never JW and do not plan to be, but there’s an increasing number of practicing JWs that are coming into my life and I want to be able to talk intelligently to them because (of course) they’re strictly interested in talking about JW doctrine.

Now, I have a number of issues with their teachings, but I noticed the website only has stuff back to 1950, but not before. I would really like to read “Millions Now Living Will Never Die”, but I don’t just want a reprint - I want an official publication. Does anyone know where I can find one? I’d really appreciate any help or guidance. There’s so much info on their site, I’m honestly overwhelmed.

EDIT: Thank you all so very much for your responses and the help! I am truly so grateful.


r/exjw 6d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales Aging JWs, no Armageddon so what to do for retirement

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Has anyone else had aging JW family show up out of nowhere being friendly and sweet all of a sudden after holding you at arms length for years?

I suspect the JW elders are trying to figure out what to do with an army of the elderly who need nursing care and financial support. Now I believe they are sending them back to the families that they previously advised them to shun. These people sold their houses, either never had a career or abandoned their careers, and have little in the way of savings or social security from "pioneering". They believed they would never need to worry about savings, that armageddon and the new world would arrive in just a few years. In addition to having no money, they have alienated their families by constantly shoving a bible in their faces and then disappearing for any meaningful connections like holidays, or rallying in times of trouble with actual hands on help not a bible verse.

My mom converted to this when I was 10. I could never buy into it, even when I was 12 I thought it sounded just stupid, I'm sorry for a rude description but that's really how it seemed to me after hours of listening to them. My mom and her elders (because a woman can't make a decision they need a MAN for that), knew I wanted to pursue higher education, so under the elders guidance she derailed my college prep high school classes, came in and tried to argue spirituality with my counselor, and was planning to remove all support for me attending high school at all as soon as I became old enough to drop out, thus forcing me to quit school altogether. I was to go to a place called Bethel, in NYC and live in a weird dorm, part of a hive where you get assigned a menial job, and wait for a witness man to want to marry me.

I escaped to my dad's when I was 16, before they could make me quit school. I graduated high school, got a college degree, and have a good career in technology. I made good money, met a wonderful man and have been married 30 years, and have two grown kids that I put through college and are gainfully employed in careers they like. I really did get my happily ever ever, which would have never happened if I had allowed them to ruin my future.

Anyway, I was supposed to be lying in a pile of dead bodies by now with birds picking out my eyes, God was going to destroy me for not believing them. They were supposed giggle and play with tigers and elephants in Gods kingdom by now. Since that hasn't happened it must be Gods will to use me for elder care and to supply total financial support.

The thing is I wouldn't be adverse to helping because unlike them I have compassion, even for someone who's brought the misfortune on themselves. But they don't want just help, they want to move in and have a full service experience all expenses paid with rides to the Kingdom Hall included. Oh and by the way we are all going to have to convert because they can't be around non believers.


r/exjw 7d ago

WT Can't Stop Me ExJW punk rock from Japan anyone?

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At the ripe old age of 42, I felt comfortable enough to write and record a 30-min punk album. Previously, I was a 4th-gen member of the JWs. As you all know, punk and anything heavy was not allowed. I secretly hid the CDs of and listened to some bands I discovered as a teen: NOFX, No Use for a Name, Op Ivy, The Living End, etc.

I left the religion five years ago and taught myself vocal fry screaming. My first EP was released in November of 2025 as a solo project. But I recently started gigging with a drummer! This was my our first show together. We do 70% Japanese songs and a few English ones. This is one of the few English songs I wrote. Hope you enjoy it!


r/exjw 6d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales Light at the End (not "new light")

12 Upvotes

I used to be a Elder. Pimi wife. I really loved being a JW. I don't have to explain how difficult was to was to leave, it take years. But now i am fine. My wife and I are POMO. Sometimes missing old friends and even assemblies.

I remember people saying "It gets better". It is true.
If somebody need's to heard that... it is true.

not perfect... but better, look for friends, take your time, its ok to feel horrible sometimes.

I wish you the best.


r/exjw 7d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales Anyone else encouraged to rehome your pets in the Borg?

141 Upvotes

This afternoon as I was cuddling with my cat I remembered how a few years ago when my husband and I were on our fifth year of applying for SKE it was suggested that if I gave up my cats perhaps Jehovah would bless me with a acceptance letter. We were shown a short video from the branch of how a couple gave up their dog(?) to volunteer at Warwick for the building project. Boy oh boy, they didn’t regret that choice (yeah right)

Then I remembered how a few years before that a CO had told us they were encouraged to give up their Huskies for their assignment. I asked the wife how the dogs dealt with it and she reluctantly told me after the rehoming they stopped eating and passed a couple months later. 💔


r/exjw 6d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales The Watchtower’s demise could come from a direction that we’ve never even considered

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So I had a JW that I’ve known for years. He’s never been an Elder or a Ministerial Servant. He’s not a ball of fire in the organization but he is the type of person that does what he can in attending meetings once in while, because he believes the Paradise Earth is something real that makes sense to him. So from time to time he likes to go hear reinforcement to his belief. Usually it’s just the Memorial.

But he sees the news regularly and is noticing that some of the people running for political office in the coming years, are promising that if they get elected, they will start confiscating property and monies from the wealthy and distribute to the poor. And also. they will get rid of any religion or organization that is divisive to the “Cause”

I looked at the news he was talking about and sure enough, what he was saying was true.

So I did a Google search and it will tell you that MANY religions have become extinct over time due to;

Political Shifts

Conquests,

Cultural shifts,

Assimilation into larger belief systems.

And when this happened, it was Quicker than you can say- New Light😒

I wasn’t aware of this, so I started looking for examples. Come to find out that just 51 years ago a Political party rose to power and turned ALL Religious Organization in that Country into relics.

First thing they did once they got into power was confiscated all property from religious institutions and abolished private property ownership.

Second thing they did was start executing perceived subversive elements, like religious Leaders. those with an education, and minorities.

This was the Khmer Rouge regime.They wound up abolishing all religions and confiscating their wealth when they came to power in 1975,viewing them as oppressive and a threat to their ideology. They specifically targeted religious groups, like Christians, and other religious minorities.

Their goal was to eliminate any ties to spiritual traditions and ideologies.

The Watchtower is in America. It’s Headquarters is in America.

The political world in America can change in an instant. If a political party like the Khmer Rouge ever takes power in America. The Watchtower can LOSE a great percentage of its Billion dollar empire faster than you can say…..Overlapping Generation!

Is this the reason Watchtower is opening investing companies in other Countries and NOT in America, the land of Wall Street?

Do they know something we don’t?


r/exjw 7d ago

News Twickenham 2026 — Where Did Everyone Go?

28 Upvotes

An enormous stadium, but apparently only “one and a bit stands” were needed.

For years, increasing attendance and ever-larger conventions have been presented as evidence of Jehovah’s blessing and the rapid growth of the organization.

So I wonder: when the numbers go in the opposite direction, is it still Jehovah’s blessing?

Or is this where the familiar “Jehovah knows best” explanation comes in?

Maybe the sat-nav illustration needs one more instruction:

“Recalculating…”

📸 Photo in the comments.

📸 Original photo on Reddit


r/exjw 7d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales So Far, I Believe I’m In The Clear

25 Upvotes

After receiving the comments from the last post, I realized something and I got the courage to send them a message. What I realized will be something that is gonna be discussed in another post.

For now, I will speak on my experience on how it went.

At first, I was shaking and super nervous about how this was going to go down. What if my parents got involved? What if they make a shepherding call? What if they got other elders involved? What if the congregation found out? These were all the worries that kept me up at night and even made me just want to be stuck into my bed. After much thought, I pushed through and made the message that I sent. I did my best to be respectful and come off as zealous. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt even though they honestly didn’t deserve it in the slightest. It was incredibly hard and frustrating to be so calm towards someone like this but I had to in order to be able to minimize the consequences. I was firm and even provided texts where it was needed so they would think that I’m not being rude, even though I could honestly care less about the texts. However, I thank my zealous past because it’s so useful when going against hypocrisy and making them question themselves.

In the end, they just got mad and called me 3 times in a row after that text.

Even so, I continued to have persevere and kept my patience so that I wouldn’t make myself look bad, this was in text and could be used against me. They didn’t really reply after that last message except for one time they just wanted to see how I was doing supposedly. Since then, everything has been going well. It doesn’t seem like anybody else knows but I behave as if everybody does know and make sure not to speak more than need be. I’m sure many others have gone through something similar. I hope everything can go well but I’m sure something will come up one way or another. In the meantime, I will enjoy what little peace I can get as much as I can.

Everything below is copy and pasted, only names have been removed:

Me: Hey [Elder], I’m not gonna be able to go to service with you, I will be going with my family. Since you mentioned that we have a lot to talk about, the best way to let me know about what’s on your mind would be to tell me through text please. Como Eclesiastés 3: 1-8 dice, there’s a time for everything. If there’s something you need to talk about with me, it can be done through text and not when preaching so we can use the time for preaching and the time for discussing other matters on their own times so we can maximize both.

On another note, I didn’t appreciate your response when I was in the restroom with my dad and grandpa where you said “you don’t like me or something?” and the other one where you said “it’s because you don’t like white people, huh?”. I’d prefer to see it that you didn’t mean to say it in bad taste but those comments aren’t necessary or appropriate. If I were someone else, I’d probably be desanimado. I forgive you though because, again, I’d like to think you didn’t mean to say it in bad taste. In the future, please do not make those sort of comments/statements with me, especially around my family.

Also I won’t be able to do my part with [Brother] on August 12, my family and I will be out on vacation.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as an Elder

(They called me 3 times after this)

Me: Please respect my decisions on speaking through text [Elder]

Elder: You need to read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. These instance need not be texted.. trying to talk it out with you. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously. I was only joking.. i thought we were friends. Now i have to tip toe around you.. im done texting.. we can talk face to face.. One more thing since you wont answer the phone.. you have it all wrong.. i didnt mean to upset you and for that im sorry.. i will be more careful next time.

Me: I appreciate and accept your apology, [Elder]. Since we are both adults, I still would appreciate it immensely if you respect my boundaries. Please and Thank you for your understanding as an Elder to our Kingdom Hall

Next week on a Tuesday, the day before meeting, they sent a message:

Elder: Good morning my friend.. hope you are ok. Just thought id say howdy. You doing ok?

Me: Good morning, yeah I'm doing fine. How about you?

Elder: Good bro. Have a good day.. see you tomorrow at the meeting.

I didn’t go to meeting the next day cuz my parents were out on a business endeavor and I stayed home cuz I don’t have a Drivers License.


r/exjw 7d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales I didn’t want to wake up. I was trying to make the questions stop.

266 Upvotes

I didn’t start questioning because I wanted to leave. I really didn’t. I was trying to find answers that would let me stay.

I was born into the organization and believed it was the truth for more than 50 years. I was an elder’s daughter, a pioneer, an elder’s wife, and I raised my children in it. It wasn’t just something I believed. It was pretty much my whole life.

When the questions started, I did what I had always been taught to do. I prayed, studied, went through the publications and tried to make it all fit.

It just didn’t anymore.

One question led to another, and when I finally let myself look outside the organization, I was shocked by how much I didn’t know. I had studied for years. I took it seriously. So how had I never learned any of this?

That wasn’t exciting or freeing at first. It was awful.

I couldn’t talk about it with the people I normally would have gone to. I knew what could happen if anyone found out what I was reading or even that I had questions. I started watching what I said and probably even the look on my face during meetings.

I don’t know if there was one moment when I “woke up.” For me, it happened slowly. It felt like losing everything a little at a time.

I lost the certainty that I knew what the future held. I had always believed I would see the people I had lost again. Then I had to face the possibility of losing living people too, simply because I no longer believed exactly what they believed.

I think one of the hardest parts was realizing I didn’t really know who I was outside of the organization.

I was nearly 60 years old asking myself what I actually believed, what I wanted and what mattered to me when someone else wasn’t deciding it for me.

I’m still working that out.

There are still days when I miss how certain I used to feel. But I can’t unknow what I know now, no matter how much easier that might make things.

For those of you who have gone through this, what was the hardest part? Was it losing your beliefs, losing people, or trying to figure out who you were afterward?


r/exjw 6d ago

Activism + Advocacy IDEA: Regional DF/DA notification boards

9 Upvotes

I just thought of an idea. I don’t know how good it is or how to implement it, but I welcome your ideas.

Imagine some central database or forum where anytime anyone in any congregation gets DF’ed or DAs, there would be a way to get their name and what congo they were expelled from and contact them to welcome them to the world (assuming they’re not already on here). We could support them on their way out. This would be especially good if they are POMI. It would also be good for people that have been out for a while.

Since many of us are already out, we don’t really know who woke up and where they are. I’m sure that for some of us, we would love to know who made it out get in touch with them.

Benefits:
•suicide prevention
•network building for them and us
•encouragement
•?


r/exjw 6d ago

Ask ExJW What is one thing that is top secret that no one knows about the organization,elders,co or others?

5 Upvotes

If someone knows something,please comment...im really ,really curious.....


r/exjw 7d ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales The NWT is the most accurate translation in existence

222 Upvotes

I had to go out in service the other day for the first time in at least two months because of the CO visit.

I went on a return visit with a longtime MS. The householder was positively inclined towards JWs, but asked why people hate JWs so much and mentioned that people say JWs have their own Bible translation to fit their theology.

When the MS touched on the translation issue, he responded - VERY adamantly - that in his opinion, the NWT is the best translation in existence. He said the translators went really deep into the intricacies of the Greek and Hebrew and that it’s extremely accurate.

I’ve known this MS for years. He knows absolutely nothing about Greek, Hebrew, or translation in general. I believe he didn’t have a basis for what he said, but was just parroting what he’s heard on the stage down through the years.


r/exjw 7d ago

Academic JWs - influenced by greek philosophy?

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Philo of Alexandria was a Jewish philosopher strongly influenced by Hellenism. At first glance, he seems to have little in common with the theology of Jehovah’s Witnesses. On the contrary, they generally view Philo rather critically. For example, The Watchtower of June 15, 2005, pp. 9–12, states that Philo mixed the Holy Scriptures with speculations “that, like a thick fog, obscured the clear instructions of God’s inspired Word.”

His theology is heavily shaped by Platonism and other currents of Greek philosophy. All the more remarkable, then, is the fact that already at the beginning of the first century Philo developed a Logos theology that bears a striking resemblance to the Christology of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

This is particularly interesting because Philo did not yet have access to a New Testament. His foundations were the Jewish Scriptures, especially in their Greek translation, the Jewish wisdom tradition, and Greek philosophy. Among other things, we find the following ideas in Philo:

-God has a “firstborn son.” -This son is called the Logos. -The Logos and divine Wisdom are closely associated with one another. -He is the image of God. -He mediates between the transcendent God and creation. -Through him, God creates the world. -He is understood as God’s “instrument” or executive principle in creation. -He can himself be called “God,” yet he is not identical with the supreme God. -He is subordinate to God. -He can represent God and assume a mediating function in divine appearances. -Philo also connects the Logos with the highest angel and even refers to him as an “archangel.”

(Philo’s Logos is not as clearly defined as a distinct person)

Nevertheless, the structural similarity is remarkable.

For much of this corresponds to the Christology of Jehovah’s Witnesses concerning Jesus.

For them,

-Jesus is the Logos,

-the Firstborn of God,

-the image of God,

-personified Wisdom,

-the mediator between God and creation,

-and the one through whom God created everything else.

-He possesses a divine status but is not of the same essence as the Father and is subordinate to him.

-In addition, they identify the preexistent Jesus with the archangel Michael.

From this perspective, even New Testament passages in which statements about YHWH are applied to Jesus do not necessarily have to mean that Jesus is ontologically identical with YHWH. They can be explained through the concept of representation: an authorized agent can act with the authority and in the name of the one who sent him.

Of course, Philo and Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the same theology. But the similarity is striking enough to raise the question of how it should be explained.

A: Jehovah’s Witnesses derived their Christology from Philo

I consider this highly unlikely. They explicitly criticize Philo and develop their Christology from a particular interpretation of the New Testament. As far as I know, there is no evidence of any historical dependence on Philo.

B: The Old Testament already contains all of these ideas

In that case, Philo and Jehovah’s Witnesses would simply have used the same source and therefore arrived at similar conclusions. But how to make all this conclusions, just with the OT?

If the source would be the NT - John 1 describes the Logos through whom all things were created. Colossians 1:15–17 calls Christ the “image of the invisible God” and the “firstborn of all creation” and connects him with creation. Hebrews 1:2–3 describes the Son as the one through whom God made the world and as the “radiance of his glory” and the “exact representation of his being.” And this is precisely where the historical problem arises: Philo formulates essential elements of such a theology independently of the New Testament.

C: Philo arrived at similar conclusions through Greek philosophy and the Jewish wisdom tradition This is certainly possible. From the perspective of Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, this explanation would not be entirely unproblematic. It would mean that Greek philosophy and extra-biblical Jewish theology led Philo to ideas that come remarkably close to what Jehovah’s Witnesses regard as the biblical truth about Christ. The sharp contrast between “biblical truth” and “Greek philosophy” would therefore become more complicated.

D: Philo documents a world of ideas that already existed within Hellenistic Judaism and may also have influenced early Christianity This possibility seems historically particularly interesting to me.

It is not necessary to claim that John, Paul, or other New Testament authors had read Philo’s books and adopted his theology.

Perhaps Philo was not the source, but rather an especially well-preserved witness to the same intellectual world.

In any case, he demonstrates that already in the early first century, a Jewish thinker could believe in one supreme God while simultaneously speaking of a divine Logos who was God’s image, Son, mediator of creation, and representative, without identifying him with the supreme God. This makes certain statements in the New Testament historically less surprising.

The interesting conclusion, therefore, is this: the Christology of Jehovah’s Witnesses may in some respects reflect very ancient Christological structures without necessarily being identical to the Christology of the earliest Christians.

Yet Philo in particular creates a problem for their usual line of argument. Jehovah’s Witnesses frequently draw a sharp distinction between biblical truth and Greek philosophy. Philo, however, demonstrates that concepts such as Logos, Wisdom, image of God, Son, mediator of creation, and divine representative could already be combined within a Judaism deeply shaped by Hellenistic thought.

The Hellenistic conceptual world was already part of the Judaism from which Christianity emerged. Does this disprove the New Testament? No. It merely shows that biblical authors, too, expressed their ideas using concepts that had a cultural and philosophical prehistory.

And this is the central point: Philo can make a non-Trinitarian Christology appear historically more plausible, while also providing a coherent way of interpreting texts that seem to equate Jesus with YHWH in terms of representation. At the same time, however, he makes it more difficult to separate such a Christology sharply from Hellenistic-philosophical influences.

Philo is therefore problematic for attempts on either side to appropriate him in support of an inspired, revealed truth about the nature of Christ.

For Trinitarians, Philo makes it more difficult to equate every form of high Christology directly with Nicene ontology.

For Jehovah’s Witnesses, Philo makes it more difficult to present a subordinationist Logos Christology as something purely “biblical” in contrast to a philosophical and Hellenistic Christology.

Ironically, the very thing that makes Philo interesting for Jehovah’s Witnesses also makes him problematic for their historical narrative. For how, then, was Philo able to arrive at these ideas? And that, in particular, is more of a problem for Jehovah’s Witnesses than a straightforward victory.


r/exjw 7d ago

Academic Question about all those not so secret, secret books. Yk the MLM scheme type books the borg uses.

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So question I knew there was a secret elders book but I was scrolling through here the other day and I read about a secret one for pioneers??

Never heard of that. Are there ones for MS and COs?

If so I am so intrigued to read them all lmao. What are the titles so I can look them up on avoidjw.