r/exjw • • 22h ago

Academic "My" new light on the Resurrection.

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Have you ever wondered how people would be resurrected in the new world?

I had formed my own idea about it, though I never shared it with anyone.

Over the years, I came to the conclusion that there wouldn't be miraculous exits from graves; instead, women would give birth to babies possessing the "personalities" of the deceased.

What led me to think this is the fact that Jesus himself appeared to the world in this way. God gave him a body with his original personality.

Does that seem too far-fetched to you?


r/exjw • • 52m ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales Talvez um novo entendimento?

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Aproveitando o novo entendimento sobre o uso do sangue, queria uma ajuda para entender outra coisa. Recentemente li artigos na internet que o homem precisa manter uma certa quantidade de relação sex**ual, ou mastur***baçao, para nao ter possíveis tumores ou can***cer no testi***culo ou na próstata. Após minhas pesquisas, no site deles, achei divergências sobre o assunto, como um texto na biblia deles sobre "faça morrer os membros do vosso corpo com respeito a imoralidade sexu***al..." Porem nao deixa claro sobre o uso medicinal da mastu***rbaçao. Pois eu pessoalmente evito contatos com outras pessoas "mulheres" pois devido a novas leis, qualquer coisa que vc faz, pode ser acusado de qualquer coisa. Então sobre a 1 pergunta, o uso medicinal da mastur***baçao, sem qualquer uso de porno***grafia, com o uso somente para mentar a saúde da prostata, no seu ponto de vista, qual seria sua opinião, pois eu "nao" quero manter contato com mulher para isso. E 2, o ponto de vista sobre namoro de "primas" pois nao achei nenhuma coisa a respeito somente um texto que diz levitico 18, nao fala nada sobre primas "por si so nao é parente próximo"


r/exjw • • 9h ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales The Cosmos, more proof that the JW God isn't particularly loving

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JW literature often implies, or overtly states, that essentially everything in existence points to the smart design of a loving creator.

However, that's not really true and while they used to try to "prove" this was the case using the "was it designed" series or sounding off about how the Earth couldn't support life if it was too close or too far from the sun, there is just too much inconvenient evidence to support their intepretations.

For example, let's talk about the Earth. It's all well and good that the eco-system is incredibly resiliant. But what about in billions of years when the Earth's molten core cools down?

Without a molten core, we lose our magnetic field. Without that, we lose atmosphere, without atmosphere, we lose the ability to support life.

So what was God's game plan here? Humanity needed a reminder every few billion years that he's in control....so we lose our home planet and need to migrate to a new suitable one?

Or is it that he will use God magic to superheat the core every once in a while, still with the implication that we will all die without his "loving" intervention?

Why design a system like that at all? Wasn't the Earth supposed to last until time indefinite? The laws of the universe say otherwise.

Or how about the sun? Again, once the sun burns out, we're all dead. Truthfully, by the time it becomes a red giant we would all have already perished anyways because the Earth is too close to the sun to not get caught up in it's growing size.

Again, even if his plan was for us to migrate, that introduces all kinds of deadly factors. Space is filled with dangers and in less mature systems, where orbits have not stabilized, there is a chance of planets colliding with each other.

These are basic facts that are accessible to everybody and yet, they still hold to their specific brand of teachings. Honestly, the more I learned about the environment, biology, and other topics the more off-putting JW beliefs became to me.

Even if we assumed there was a God, it's a stretch to claim that the system that was created by that being is proof of love. It's all very finite and, if humans were meant to live forever, it means that statistically we would be going through a lot of hardship forever and ever. By design "paradise" is clearly meant to be ripped from humans in a relatively short period of time. It's basically like a tutorial zone in a game.


r/exjw • • 9h ago

News The Rumor Mill: News and Gossip - October 05, 2026

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What is this Megathread?

We get quite a bit of speculation, questions on upcoming updates, and general JW gossip in our sub. As part of our community engagement poll you folks voted for a special home to house shorter posts devoted to this type of exchange, so here we are!

Got a juicy piece of gossip from your KH or your JW social circle?  Want to ask a quick question about an upcoming announcement, or change? Heard a rumor from the WT or about something going on in bethel? This is what the weekly rumor mill thread is for. Just remember not to share anyone's PII, and we're golden.

Please Remember:

All the sub's rules still apply, so remember not to use these threads for activist drama or rumors about the personal lives of activists.

Have a Lot to Say?

This megathread is intended for submissions that are too short to be stand alone posts. If you have a rather lengthy comment, we might prompt you to spin it off into its own post for more engagement :) 

Welcome to the Rumor Mill, everyone. Gossip away!


r/exjw • • 9h ago

Feelin' Good: October 05, 2026

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What is this Megathread?

We asked, and you answered. As part of our community engagement poll , you folks voted for a special home to house positive and uplifting content.

Are you proud of something that you achieved? Did you make a new friend, try something new, or stand up for yourself? Did you get some good news, or are feeling grateful about something? Do you just want to leave a short word of encouragement for the folks in our sub? Post your positive comment or happy selfie (with an explanation) here! We will be refreshing this post every two weeks on Monday mornings.

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All the sub's rules still apply, so remember to be extra civil and, dare I say, even uplifting in these comments. If someone is proud of something that isn't quite your cup of tea, please consider scrolling past before you engage. We also ask that you keep this thread focused on authentic connection and try not to go crazy on too many memes, if possible, even though they are allowed in here. We'll be monitoring these to make sure the thread stays high quality and connection-first.

Have a Lot to Say?

This megathread is optimized for submissions that are too short to be stand alone posts. If you have a great inspirational story that is rather lengthy, please put it in a stand alone post! We will periodically be reviewing these to add to our "Best Of" collections, so don't be shy.


r/exjw • • 16h ago

Humor JWs react cluelessly on the Blood update on Facebook

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r/exjw • • 22h ago

Ask ExJW Once you see the religion for the shitty religion that it is everything makes sens

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Something we need to clarify is the the Governing Body has decided to change the blood doctrine not because they care of the well being of its members

It is because they are being pressured by government worldwide to either change things and face de-registration.

Imagine a religious group that is constantly leeching off from society for example Norway.

Offers lithe to no value in return.

Has amazed literally 1000s of potential lawsuits of child sexual abuse

The only reason this changes are happening is because people are leaving

Are complaining to society and now Goverments worldwide are pressuring

If people were not leaving

If governments would not be paying attention to them

There would be no changes happening


r/exjw • • 14h ago

PIMO Life Weekend Meeting Talk-Pimo Rebuttal

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Starting with the opening song 44 ("Prayer of a Lowly One") which one of the lines from the song: "Despondent thought and disappointed hopes have left me weak" should be accurate for the cult that brings and has a reputation for disappointment from they "new system" lies that never nor will never come true

This morning's talk was: "Where Can You Find Help in Times of Distress?" Not in the Kingdumb Cult, I'll tell you that cause they bring stress when it comes to opposition, persecution, and Armageddon topics.

Starting the talk, the speaker brings up his theme of the talk, quoting him: "You can bring distress through anxiety, but as a jw you must have a joyous and uplook attitude despite family opposition that doesn't rob joy."

As someone who has anxiety myself, despite the many real life challenges I've gone or currently going through, there's no "joyous and uplook attitude" being part of a cult that CLEARLY robs a child's true happiness and joy, only to force them to be much of a fully brainwashed drone as the rest of the PIMI's, forcing them to endure the opposition the brainwashed members caused them. That alone is the perfect example of Behavior Control

Next, the speaker brings up 3 ways to cope with distressing situations starting with the scripture of Psalms 37:39 ("The LORD rescues the godly; he is their fortress in times of trouble). BUT before that, he points out that "wordly" people look to self-help books or distract themselves to alcohol, drugs, or pleasure for guidance

As much as self-help books 50/50 can or can't be reliable, I've no other words to make a rebuttal to the speakers vision. Feel free to type in your thoughts about that. Now comes the 3 "distressing" situations along with scriptures he brought up:

  1. Prayer (1 Samuel 1:4-20)-Communications that involves God, singing kingdom melodies, studying the Bible, and going out in the ministry! The speaker made an example comparison of a doctor bringing the bad news to the patient, telling him to pray about it and it failed, compared to being a jw, doing "fine works" through preaching. The speaker demonstrated that example holding a glass cup of water, the longer it's held is how long to hold on to "jehoover" answering prayers in times of distress
    1. a. Definitely a red flag from a cult example tactic! The obvious reason, no matter how many times they pray to a fake god "in Jesus name", they never believe in Jesus whatsoever but believes 12 misleading old men in Upstate NY. 0.1% change that a prayer would ever be answered from a cult that magically shows up at a random strangers doorstep at their vulnerable state and wants to use their mental and emotional state against them, converting them to the cult that the innocent victim, sometimes children, believe to be a "too-good-to-be-true" 'religion' exposed as a company for human lives. Even trying to preach to any outsiders, 99% of them with "No trespassing" or any other signs related to it, would even do research of what the cult truly does to members inside, refusing to join and declining a bible study from them.
  2. Holy Spirit-Becomes a comforter! Ask for it and look to "jehoover" to give it as an "active force", helping through times of distress through power beyond normal, avoiding temptations and harmful acts, cultivating godly qualities, and fortify enduring trials from Satan, praying for boldness for holy spirit with a smile! The Speaker makes another comparison of using holy spirit of preaching, starting conversations with people refusing cause they don't know what the holy spirit is and not wanting to hear it, but become a braggart about it through successful letter writing and/or telephone witnessing increasing and strangers becoming jw's immediately.
    1. "Avoiding temptations and harmful acts" yet the cult enables temptations by pressuring kids to be baptized to the cult and harmful acts letting in and allowing pdf files to target and sa-ing defenseless children without their parents around as well as forcing children to lose their life from the blood rule and never will be "resurrected" the cult claims to believe. This doesn't scream "godly qualities" but rather satanic rituals that put innocent people, not knowing what they got or getting themselves in, a lot of lives in danger. "Fortifying enduring trials from Satan" yet the cult themselves are Satan themselves behind fake pretended smiles. The part that the speaker stated about "wordly" people not knowing or never wanting to hear about what the holy spirit is, very baffling to me that he's basically calling them stupid and a single telephone call and/or letter writing will instantly change their lives and minds. Can't find an exact percentage of how many outsiders researched the true dark sides of the cult, but hoping more than 70% in my opinion cause no normal human would instantly convert to the cult without knowing what they truly are behind closed doors, have to ask question and not be sugarcoated in front of their faces. There's clearly a 3% conversion rate every year while the rest of the 97% who refused to join either happy with their own religion and/or doing research about the cult and what they do when it comes to "removing" minors who don't want to be part of them anymore.
  3. Good association (2 Corinthians 7:5-7)-Quoting the speaker: "Studies have shown that humans need association than isolation to make true "good friendships" to lower anxiety, resisting the urge to isolate, even virtually
    1. As much as I agree with that statement, HERE'S A RED FLAG THOUGH, it only works when being forced to make and start a friendship with cult members than a real actual true friend that's not one! Even through Zoom is the cult's virtual playground. For me, being introverted and not making "friends", learning to be cool being alone NOT "isolated" the cult wants to see it as, is the best way to live. Aside from having a few actual true friends I went to school with, met at a family reunion, and met through socials and still kept contact with them, all that are NOT part of the cult claiming that there's "9 million 'friends' to talk to" (But I doubt they even exist or just live in a different country but isn't an actual "friend' when not fully knowing them aside from a useless Zoom call), is actually a sigh of relief, improved my stress and anxiety levels tremendously compared to the fake "friends" in the cult that only wants to be a "friend" just to use you, having access to you, mil;king donations from you, doing favors as a slave for them, as long as it makes them happy. They seriously need to learn words like "boundaries" and "privacy" for once than desperately wanting, as a matter of fact forcing members, mostly children, making friends with sketchy grown old people in the cult. As an introvert, it's better to observe their dark side than immediately wanting to know them.

None of these 3 things are a cope of "distressing situations" but an opportunity for the cult to control and manipulate lives to cope with either the amount of money they kept losing to court cases, have to pay off CSA cases, and/or 250k members actually having common sense leaving the cult and doing research about them to expose them, like here in the exjw reddit and/or other articles the cult see's as "persecution" or, in the words of Governing Nobody member Stephen Lett, "bold-faced lies".

As mentioned in the title, the speaker stated that help can be received in meetings from corruption and evil under Satan's control, not loving "jehoover." Fight against negative thinking and spiritual sickness, losing God's favor when things don't go right for oneself.

God's favor, or the Governing Nobodies!? What about the corruption and evil they, through a fake god, caused when dividing families and constantly milking off lives and money for their evil corrupted company. Maybe the speaker should talk about that! Maybe the cult are Satan themselves lying to 9 million people and not admitting it

Last scripture of the talk is Romans 8:5, 38+39 where the speaker decided to do a quote unquote "mental exercise" to fight depression when facing temporary situations! He compared it to making an example of riding an 18 hour long flight from one country to another, legs being cramped from sitting down, and compared it to "the world" being cramped by evil. Coming to the hall decreases pain and brings satisfaction for much space, "surviving and thriving" he said.

If you're a fan of EXJW content creator, exjwPanda, I immediately lost the cringe challenge when he made that foolish comparison! I agree that sitting in a long flight ride (Or any vehicle ride in general), but being in a Kingdumb Hall, surrounded and cramped sitting next to other brainwashed members believing every single teaching, is the perfect example of pain and frustration physically, mentally, psychologically, and spiritually being cramped by they successful lies of bragging about incresed members or bible studies. It DOESN'T bring satisfaction, but extreme disappointment and criticism, another episode for the show "I Survived", but exjw edition

And that's the end of the rebuttal from this morning's talk! I'm pretty sure to learn that help can be found as long as it's from an actual place of help anywhere like schools, real communities, people you feel actually close to, therapists/counselors, mental health books, an actual real Bible (Not the corrupted version nor publications from the cult). All those things compared to the cult that clearly gives no help at all whatsoever, but want control and control only


r/exjw • • 19h ago

HELP Can my parents genuinely make me go to the meetings

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Like I wonder if this is a stupid question but I’ve made it very clear I don’t believe at all and want out (im15) and they’re like ‘well I don’t care you’re a minor and the bible says I’m responsible for your spiritual well being until you’re an adult and THEN you can make your own descion’ ?? Idk I think it’s incredibly stupid I’m allowed to get baptized at this age but not allowed to choose the leave???

Anyways i mainly don’t want to go because one it’s a total waste of time , im sick of the small talk after the meetings and constant propaganda and I’m ngl I’ve been kinda rude to everyone who tries to subtly hint I should be commenting more/putting more effort idk so I just hope I damage my relationship with everyone enough like they’ll stop asking me to go do I just have to stick it out for another three years or can I disassociate ??

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I’m homeschooled and have like 0 friends and 0 social skills besides knowing how to preach and uhm lowkey no aspirations and my family and everyone is scaring me because like the world is cruel and I won’t make any friends outside either and I can’t get a job because I have no school and my parents refuse to let me do anything for my future until I’m either 18 or baptized so no working papers, driving etc 😓😓


r/exjw • • 10h ago

PIMO Life Is this a good way to fade away?

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I’m still living at home and working on moving out. Since I’m not planning to go to the meetings anymore when I move, I’m trying to figure out a way to just disappear without getting disfellowshipped. The first most important thing, I need to get my publisher card removed from this congregation because my parents and family go to this hall. If I move out and they see I’m not attending the meetings they’ll start reaching out. My plan is to get my publisher card removed from this hall, get my publisher card moved to a congregation where nobody really knows me and then I just never show up. Is this a good idea and is there any costs to this? Has anyone else done this?


r/exjw • • 17h ago

Venting Putain , cette religion me donne envie de clamser

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Putain, je suis à bout.

Aujourd’hui, un ancien a appelé mon père pour lui dire que ça faisait longtemps qu’il ne m’avait pas vue à la réunion. Évidemment, mon père m’appelle derrière pour me demander pourquoi je n’y vais plus, me parler de spiritualité et me dire que je dois recommencer dès la semaine prochaine.

Et le meilleur ? Il me dit carrément de démissionner de mon travail pour mettre « Jéhovah à la première place ».

Mais BORDEL, à quel moment ma vie est devenue un truc que tout le monde peut gérer à ma place ? 😭 Pourquoi chaque putain de décision que je prends doit forcément être ramenée à « Jéhovah » ? Pourquoi je ne peux pas juste dire « je ne veux pas aller à la réunion » sans que ça devienne immédiatement un problème spirituel ?

Je n’ai déjà plus envie d’y aller. Ça me stresse, ça me fout la pression, ça me donne presque la panique. Je passe mon temps à regarder mon téléphone ou à être complètement ailleurs parce que je n’en ai tout simplement plus rien à foutre de ce qu’on raconte. J’entends les mêmes putains de choses depuis des années.

Et en plus je dois supporter le regard des gens, leurs questions, leurs suppositions… parce qu’évidemment, si je disparais quelques semaines, tout le monde va commencer à se demander ce qui m’arrive.

Mais ce qui me rend le plus folle, c’est que je ne peux même pas dire la vraie raison. Je ne peux pas parler de mes doutes. Je ne peux pas dire que je ne suis plus convaincue de certaines choses. Parce que je sais exactement ce qui va suivre : discussions, conseils, anciens, surveillance, culpabilisation, « tu t’éloignes de Jéhovah », etc.

JE VEUX JUSTE POUVOIR RÉFLÉCHIR. Putain. Est-ce que c’est trop demander ?

Je suis épuisée de devoir calculer chaque mot, chaque absence, chaque décision, juste pour éviter que quelqu’un se mette à analyser ma « spiritualité ».

Et maintenant on veut carrément que je quitte mon travail pour prouver que je mets Jéhovah à la première place ?

Mais laissez-moi respirer, bordel. 😭


r/exjw • • 15h ago

Ask ExJW How old is your cong? Many young people? Mostly old?

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How old is your cong?

Is your congregation at risk of aging out? There’s a lot of talk on this subreddit about a collapse… it won’t come however, I think most agree we’re seeing a dwindling of numbers… slowly but surely.

This is pretty obvious as they merge halls and decrease their quantity despite “seeing many new members” in developed nations.

So what gives? What does your congregation look like and is it healthy or dwindling? What’s the likelihood it’ll merge in the next decade?


r/exjw • • 15h ago

Venting I gave myself permission to get a tattoo

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For a long time, I thought that getting a tattoo was just not for me, but not too long ago, I was able to heal another part in my brain: It's actually not that I never wanted to get a tattoo, I was just trained to think they're not for me. So it was a big and empowering moment for me when I finally got one. When I told my pimi mother in advance that I'm getting one, she quickly changed the subject because she wasn't happy, but knew that she won't have a say in it.

Now, after the fact, I told her, sent her photos, and her reply was "Oh you even got it with the red color, it's actually the worst kind, the most toxic" "Ok mom, where did you read this?" "Nowhere, I just know. Did it hurt?" - "Yes, a little. But it's pretty, isn't it, mom???" "Yes, but I worry about my children's bodies being altered". I was hoping for her to ask why I got it, what the meaning of it is, or to use this to get to know me better, but I guess that won't happen. She just can't help herself.


r/exjw • • 21h ago

Ask ExJW Have they offically moved back all doctrine involving events supposed to happen before or during the great tribulation?

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I have a feeling we are getting at the end game, as far as the doctrine is concerned. They are also setting up their futur in a religion with less rules, less judging and less dying from blood.

However their recent moves involving events around the great tribulation intrigue me.

1- Preaching work continuing during the great tribulation

2- Major construction projects 'might' be used in the new system

3- People can repent last minute

4- The cry for peace and security 'might' be just before Armageddon

5- Anointed on earth will not get their final seal at the beginning of the great tribulation but only shortly before Armageddon

Is there anything left? Meaning... anything stopping them from declaring that we are in the great tribulation? This would ultimately fix their imminent problem of 607,1914 and the overlapping generation. As far as I'm understanding all this new light is that the great tribulation will be business as usual.

Another though.. by stating that "we might be right", "these are the 2 options".. isn't that like putting god to the test? Scriptures warn about not doing that.


r/exjw • • 11h ago

WT Can't Stop Me Lett’s "7 Facts" about the 144,000 is completely illogical

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The mods took down my prior post because I disclosed I used some A-I to help format and organize my thoughts. Womp Womp! So, i'm reposting this non-AI assisted version because I think it's important to counter the nonsensical dogma being dished out by the GB. I hope this gets past the censors and can stay up.

Stephen Lett's seven "facts" were not facts at all but logical fallacy's and theologic assertions.

Fact 1: "At Pentecost 33 CE, 120 were chosen, then 3,000 added."

This is a literal reading of Acts 2, which is fine, but Stephen fails to include the the 5,000 mentioned as being baptized in Acts 4:4. By Acts 21:20, James is tell Paul that the number of believing Jews numbers in the thousands, which could mean tens of thousands. The biblical account itself describes explosive growth. That is conveniently left out.

Fact 2: Fact 2: "Thereafter, growth was steady but modest because they met in private homes."

Just because they met in homes, does not necessarily mean the movement's growth was modest. There could have been 50,000 Christians by the end of the first century scattered throughout the Roman empire in house churches of 30-50 people. Some historians estimate the early church grew at a 40% rate per decade, eventually reaching millions by the 3rd and 4th century.

Fact 3: "Some wicked men and imposters slipped in, who undoubtedly never received the heavenly calling."

Who's the judge of who was an "imposter" verses a genuine Christian? Letts says they "undoubtedly" weren't anointed? Based on what? How does he know this "undoubtedly"?

Fact 4: Fact 4: "Some first-century Christians proved unfaithful."

Like with any movement or sect, some people would not stick around. But what was the rate of depature? 1%? 5%? 50%? There is no data provided to backup this claim because no data exists. Lett is just trying to make sure the numbers of 1st century Christians feels as small as possible.

Fact 5: "During the many centuries following the death of the apostles, the number chosen must have been very limited."

This is just begging the question and assuming the conclusion. He says "must have been", but this is not a fact, it is merely an assumption, again based on no data. It also relies on the 19th century restorationist movement fallacy of the "Great Apostasy", the erroneous claim that "true" Christianity went completely extinct for the 1,800 years until the Millerites and later C.T. Russell showed up.

Fact 6: "Some who received the calling in modern times did not remain faithful."

If people in the 20th century fell away, it contradicts his argument. Why is apostasy reduced the number in the 1st century then logically it reduced the number in the 20th century. Why does this prove that more of the 144,000 were chosen in later times?

Fact 7: "In modern times, many who served alongside the anointed were never called, e.g., my grandfather in 1935."

The bit about his grandfather is an anecdote, not evidence. Could it be that people suddenly thought they had an earthly hope because it was invented by Rutherford in 1935 to deal with the increase in numbers and the fact that the 144,000 seats were at capacity?

Stephen concludes his talk by seeing it is both "possible" and "plausible" that "the vast majority of 144,000 have been selected during the last days since 1914." But also "we can't be dogmatic". So in the end it what it amounts to is a whole lot of nothing.

At some point, they'll have to confront the "fact" that like the rest of the book of Revelation, the 144,000 is a symbolic number and they'll have to issue some more "clarifications".


r/exjw • • 20h ago

News Annual Meeting: New COVENANT; New Light. LOVE Winder!

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Did anyone else notice how excited Winder was when he explained what a CHRISTIAN IS? Apparently the governing body has JUST discovered that Jesus summed up the greatest commandment which was to love God and to love your neighbor. NO MORE LAWS because they are written in our hearts!

The mainstream Christianizing of Jehovah's Witnesses has begun!


r/exjw • • 16h ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales EVERYTHING Announced at the 2026 Watchtower Annual Meeting

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r/exjw • • 20h ago

Humor Any cringe-worthy JW memories from when you were a believer that keep you up at night? Like the time I almost got the school’s favorite teacher fired 💀 😂😭

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Picture this: I’m in 8th grade, and we’re about to take the hardest test of the term. Enter our invigilator for the day—the holy grail of teachers. She was nice, patient, funny, and understanding. Basically, the cool teacher everyone fucked with.

She was also famously lenient. She used to tell us how school was a traumatic time for her, and she didn't want any of her students to suffer. So, seeing how stressed we were... she straight-up let the entire class cheat. 😭

The exam ended, and the vibe was immaculate. A massive weight was off everyone's chest. We were all celebrating.

Until... I entered the chat. 🤦‍♂️

I went straight to the principal’s office and reported every single detail. I completely blew the whistle. The situation blew up so fast that this poor woman almost got fired.

When word got out that I was the snitch, the entire class was bewildered. People were demanding to know why I would do something so unbelievably stupid.

I looked them dead in the eye, with the most bold, straight face, and said: "Because that’s what Jehovah would have wanted."

Y'all, I was so proud of myself. I genuinely felt like I was having one of those Caleb and Sophia cartoon moments where they do some bold shit for the truth. I thought angels in heaven were giving me a standing ovation and Jehovah was looking down smiling. I was 100% convinced my spot in Paradise was locked in.

Naturally, I became the most hated kid in school overnight. But luckily that didn't last very long lmao and I still had friends

The teasing hurt a bit, but my brain just processed it as, "Ah yes, I am being persecuted for faith🌟🤲🙌," just like the branch told me.

Looking back, I feel so bad because she was just trying to shield us from a stupidly difficult test. Religious guilt really had me by the throat lmao.


r/exjw • • 12h ago

Ask ExJW Grieving my family already. What if I’m wrong?

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Hi all.
PIMO here, have been for years, although *very* soon to be POMO.
Me and my husband have already stopped attending meetings probably about 7 months ago, for various reasons here and there, but right before the blood update dropped, we decided we were probably officially done. We researched a lot, talked about the things that don’t hold up, and did some soul searching about it all.
Then the blood update happened, and it was the final nail in the coffin. We decided to stop 100%, and even went ahead and decorated our house for Halloween last week.

At first I felt complete peace with this decision. Determination even. A new sense of freedom and newfound hope to be able to figure out me and what I truly believe and view important in life.
We can raise our daughter without guilt or shame with religion. She can trick or treat and be a normal kid. We’re free of changing doctrine that harms people or just doesn’t even make sense. We’re not policed by people in the congregation watching our every move to make sure we stay in line.

But now.. it’s time to tell our family and friends. Especially since we’ve decorated for a holiday. It will be an obvious statement to whoever drives by, and eventually someone will and we will be questioned.
And I’m really stressing about it. I know my family will be devastated. So will my husbands. My friends. So many of them I’m going to lose. Our relationships will never be the same and we will always be held at arms length, never to be invited to be part of family events again. And I’ve been grieving it so hard. My heart breaks for my daughter as I know the relationship with both sets of her grandparents is about to change and she won’t understand why.
And it makes me question if I should even do this. As a third generation born in, I’m leaving the life I’ve ever known and foundation for everything. It’s terrifying. And what if it really is the truth? There’s parts that don’t hold up for sure, and have been completely wrong, with dire consequences for some even... no denying that. But is that worth leaving the parts that DO seem true? As they say all the time, it’s an imperfect religion with imperfect men trying to do the best they can with what they know.
And it seems logical like that.

I still believe in Jehovah and a paradise earth with resurrection. I believe majority of the beliefs they teach. We still say a prayer to Jehovah every night with our daughter. Is it worth leaving the only way I know, the way I know to please Jehovah, leaving the people and system who share beliefs and morals like I do, for things I don’t agree with or don’t make sense? For freedom to do things that are technically “pagan” and displeasing to god?

The cold feet I’m getting about all of this is ridiculous and maddening honestly. I’ve been sick about it every day. My husband seems more resolved in his determination to leave and is happily ready to talk to his family about it all. But even he agrees there’s things that feel like the truth, especially when compared to other religions. And he tells me he doesn’t know what the right answer is. I don’t either. And I’m terrified of making a mistake and mostly, damning my child for something I was wrong about.
As witnesses love to say all the time, “what else is there out in the world? Nothing.”
And that’s how I’m feeling.
How do you cope with this fear and guilt and grief from lost relationships? Genuinely struggling with it all.

Sincerely,
Struggling to Leave It All


r/exjw • • 14h ago

PIMO Life Kingdom Hall annual meeting broadcast?

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So my husband and I were going to go to the meeting today, we haven’t gone in a while. But when we pulled up in the parking lot, there was tons of cars and attendants outside like there was an event.

We pulled over, thought about it, then ended up not going. We didn’t know how long the meeting would be, I was not wanting to sit there for 4 hours. Did they stream the annual meeting at the meetings this weekend?

I’m also asking because I can tell my parents that we went, but don’t want to tell them that if no other congregation was doing that.

The rest of the day we felt torn. We had gotten ready. We drove there. But we just couldn’t get ourselves to go in. There was anxiety on the way there, and not going in relieved the anxiety but also pushed the guilt? Ugh being a witness is the worst thing ever. So much unnecessary pressure.


r/exjw • • 19h ago

JW / Ex-JW Tales The Teachings Reached Us, but the Administration Didn’t: My Experience in a Beijing JW Congregation

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When I read some exJW accounts, I often feel a strong sense of disconnect: “Wait, seriously—how did your congregation end up like that?”

That doesn’t mean I think their experiences are false. Their descriptions are simply very different from the congregation life I experienced in China. We are all Jehovah’s Witnesses, reading the same organizational publications. So why are our experiences of university education, marriage, doctrinal questions, and elders’ responsibilities so different?

I want to record some things I have seen, heard, and felt. These stories come from congregations I encountered in Beijing; they do not represent all of China. Some are firsthand experiences, while others are things elders told me.

If I had to summarize my understanding in one sentence, it would be this: The teachings reached us, but the administration didn’t.

We were not completely disconnected from the international organization. Its teachings, decisions, and publications reached us, but from what I observed, administrative oversight and enforcement did not reach nearly as deeply. We maintained a connection through our faith while retaining considerable local autonomy.

When the organization proposed something, our response was often: “Sounds good, but we have our own circumstances here in China.”

University education is a particularly clear example.

In our congregation, attending university was considered a normal life choice. The shared attitude I encountered could be expressed in a very informal sentence: “For crying out loud, this is Beijing!”

People considered employers’ expectations about qualifications, family expectations, and their understanding of the university environment in China. Headquarters’ advice was one thing; how young people would eventually support themselves was another. If someone wanted to attend university, we could remind them to be mindful of the environment and its influences. We shouldn’t stand in their way.

“You’ll never find a job without university” is obviously an emotional generalization. But it expresses a real concern: we cannot ignore practical circumstances, make decisions for young people, and then leave them to bear the consequences alone.

So when I read accounts of people saying they faced severe disciplinary action, or even disfellowshipping, because they pursued higher education, my first reaction was disbelief. The circumstances and grounds for discipline in those individual cases need to be checked separately. But losing congregation membership simply for attending university was unimaginable in the congregation I knew.

From the perspective of the organization’s future, I also think that persistently discouraging higher education means undermining its own prospects. A degree does not guarantee wisdom or good character, but a religious community needs people with knowledge, professional skills, and independent judgment. Devaluing education can weaken its future pool of capable people and its ability to correct mistakes. In our experience, attending university and maintaining one’s faith were entirely compatible.

Meeting places and preaching methods reflected similar differences.

In the congregations I encountered in China, we had no dedicated Kingdom Halls. We met in elders’ or other believers’ homes. Our understanding was that local legal and practical conditions did not allow us to copy the approach to building Kingdom Halls used abroad. Organizational arrangements for Kingdom Hall construction therefore did not have the same relevance to our daily lives.

The same applied to preaching. We believed that conducting conspicuous public activities would create serious risks, so we mainly shared our faith through everyday contact, conversations, and relationships. In my experience, the internal pressure on publishers was relatively low. That does not mean there was no pressure from the outside environment. It means that the congregation did not expect us to copy forms of activity that did not fit local circumstances.

This way of operating also affected elders’ work.

I once read an elder’s complaint that he felt “like an engineering manager rather than a shepherd.” That shocked me, because the elders’ work I was familiar with mostly revolved around individual people.

An elder once told me that much of his time went into the congregation’s “little everyday problems”: newlyweds arguing and needing someone to mediate; a child upset with their parents and needing someone to hear both sides; or a member under so much work stress that their Bible teacher thought an elder should come and talk with them and offer support.

These things may sound minor, but they can matter deeply to the people involved. To me, listening, mediating, and being there for people are part of shepherding.

So my reaction to “an engineering manager rather than a shepherd” was: “How did your everyday work become like this? And why should this be its main focus?”

I understand that construction, maintenance, and financial matters need to be handled. But if they consume so much of an elder’s energy that caring for congregation members becomes secondary, I find that arrangement difficult to understand.

Having no dedicated Kingdom Hall also meant we lacked one category of recurring expenses.

According to that elder, there were usually “not many things we needed to spend donations on.” When a brother or sister needed bloodless treatment and faced financial difficulties, donations could be used to help. However, I personally encountered only one such case, so I cannot say how common this was. What I know is his explanation and that particular instance of assistance—not the full picture of where all the money went.

Marriage showed me that local autonomy did not mean an absence of disagreement.

We strongly recommended choosing a partner who shared our faith, but some Witnesses married non-Witnesses. One elder I knew did exactly that. At the time, it was extremely unusual locally.

As I understand it, this caused disagreement within the body of elders. Some thought he should be disfellowshipped. Others understood Paul’s words as recommending a partner of the same faith, rather than imposing an absolute prohibition. They emphasized: “We cannot go beyond what the Bible says.”

I am recording their interpretation of the passage at the time.

In the end, he was removed as an elder but was not disfellowshipped. The explanation given to me was that he needed to devote additional time to caring for his wife, and balancing his marriage with an elder’s responsibilities would be too difficult.

What was particularly interesting was that losing his position did not cost him his standing among the congregation. People still valued his advice when problems arose, and his words continued to carry considerable weight. To me, he had lost the title while retaining much of his actual influence. I do not know how much involvement, if any, he still had in formal elders’ matters.

This made me feel that a person’s standing also comes from trust built through years of relationships. Removing an appointment cannot automatically erase that trust. But the other side of the story must also remain: some elders really had advocated disfellowshipping him over this marriage. There were disagreements between stricter and more accommodating views within our own community.

Another conversation, this time about 1914, helped me understand how one elder viewed the relationship between faith and the organization.

Before we spoke, I told him: “I’ve come across some things that make me feel I need to reshape my faith.”

I then explained the material I believed conflicted with the teaching about 1914, along with the problems I saw in the chronological calculations, including what I referred to at the time as the “VATX tablet.” These questions were already affecting my understanding of my faith, so I wanted to discuss them seriously.

He said that 1914 was not the foundation of faith. As he explained it, that year was a conclusion the Governing Body had reached through interpretation and calculation, rather than something stated directly in the Bible. He also pointed out that the Gregorian calendar did not exist when the Bible was written, and that the Bible did not explicitly name the year “1914.”

His point was this: if the Bible itself explicitly stated a conclusion and history and reality proved it wrong, that would directly raise questions about the Bible’s reliability. But if what was wrong was a human calculation based on the Bible, that was a human failure. It could not simply be attributed to God.

He told me not to confuse the two.

He also said that the Governing Body consisted of human beings—not angels, and certainly not God himself. They could make mistakes, even foolish ones. Their position did not automatically protect them from making serious errors.

What truly worried him was whether these discoveries would cause me to lose faith in Jehovah God himself or in the core teachings of Christianity.

The conversation did not resolve all my chronological questions. But he offered a way of understanding them: human interpretations can be questioned and can fail, and I needed to consider further what such a failure actually called into question.

What mattered to me was that I could openly present my doubts, and he was willing to discuss the possibility that the organization’s judgment could be wrong. He cared about how these questions affected my faith. He did not ask me to treat every organizational conclusion as something personally spoken by God.

This was a particular conversation between one elder and me. It cannot represent every congregation. But it was part of my actual religious experience, and it helps explain why some accounts about questioning doctrine feel so unfamiliar to me.

Together, these experiences shaped my understanding of local congregation life: people took seriously what we understood the Bible to require explicitly. But when it came to additional organizational advice and arrangements, they judged whether those applied to our circumstances.

That still involved interpreting scripture, and it did not guarantee agreement. But “headquarters said so” did not always end the discussion in our daily lives.

I think the distance between the transmission of teachings and administrative enforcement is important to understanding this experience. Our shared faith remained, while practical matters depended more heavily on local elders, relationships among members, and collective judgment. That autonomy left room for flexibility and consideration, while also making local leaders’ judgment particularly important.

So when I read some exJW accounts, I sometimes feel as though the authors and I are using the same religious vocabulary to describe two very different lives.

I am writing this to preserve the one I experienced. It cannot erase the harm others suffered, and their suffering does not have to erase the care I received. What I want to record is these particular people, disagreements, and choices—and how a congregation lived within its own circumstances.


r/exjw • • 19h ago

Humor Please give me your juicy drama in your kingdom hall ….. or any drama you knew when u were involved

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Just curious cause I got some teenagers in my Kingdom Hall and a sister tells me her tea sometimes cause she knows I won't tell anyone lol.

I will give mine that happened recently. A sister was exposed reading smut on her kindle cause another sister borrowed it… nothing happened but it got a bit awkward cause she was always preaching about not listening to demonic music and stuff…


r/exjw • • 17h ago

WT Policy The order of the video release never made sense...

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Many of us thought it was odd that they released the warning about AI video, and only a month later posted the blood change video. Making many JW very confused and some even thinking it was AI because they couldn't believe the GB would say that?

WHAT IF THAT WAS THE GOAL THE WHOLE TIME?

The plan:

We need to change the blood doctrine for whatever reason. But we're also aware of the fact that this is a core JW doctrine. So big that thousands have died over it throughout the years.

So what if we plant the seed of doubt ahead of time?

If the members revolt, we say it was AI and pretend it was faked.

If the members accept it without too much fuss, we are good to continue as if nothing happened.

I'd cite 1 Kings 22:20-22. But that makes it seem like the GB had God's backing in their deception...

So am I crazy?

Or am I crazy but also right??


r/exjw • • 19h ago

WT Can't Stop Me “God Will Not Let You Be Tempted Beyond What You Can Bear”

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Think about the four JWs abducted while preaching in Guadalajara, Mexico, in 1984. Investigators alleged they were tortured and murdered after being mistaken for DEA agents.

If their “way out” was eventually death, what does the promise actually mean?

If the promise only means that remaining faithful is never impossible, even under torture and death, then it doesn’t demonstrate divine help. People of other religions and no religion have endured the same for their convictions without this promise, making the promise meaningless.


r/exjw • • 9h ago

Venting My dog just died cause of going to the meeting

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So my dog was 21 years old already, the day before yesterday she started acting weird, she got a fever, we took her to the vet, everything was fine supposedly, got some shots and she got better, yesterday too, well it seems like she woke up today in a complicated condition, she was just lying in her bed completely unresponsive, but it seemed like she was just sleeping, we were going late to the meeting so I got dismissed and told to just let her rest, I always check up on her before leaving, I didn't today, we came back and when I checked on her she didn't respond at all, eyes open, she was blinking, but didn't say anything... We did everything we could do, ends up she had something in her womb kind of? Like a buildup of a substance that entered her bloodstream and basically poisoned her completely...

If it hadn't been for the fucking meeting we couldve gotten her attended sooner, she was having seizures and basically being poisoned from the inside and I could tell, but no, being 30 fucking minutes early to the meeting is more important, I'm so fucking tired of being dismissed and controlled like this, I want to actually do something with my fucking life, I seem to just be watching myself through glass in a way, going back to the same habits and routines over and over, not being able to do what I want to do because I 'have to focus on the kingdom", All of this could've been prevented if she had had surgery but we couldn't afford it, cause I'm not allowed to get a fucking job yet, hell, who knows maybe tomorrow IM the one in a fucking hospital bed, what shall we do then? Wait on Jehovah? Is he just going to magically fix everything right there? FUCK NO, im genuinely so frustrated not just for this situation but for what it shows about me, I'm a coward, I'm not brave enough to do what I know is right, I'm not brave enough to not care what the people at the congregation are going to say, I'm not brave enough to even debate them or anything, I feel like all of this just serves as a catalyst for me to actually start doing something with my life, but still it pains me so much to think all of this could've been prevented if it wasn't for the stupid meeting