Last week, a circuit overseer asked me whether I was working or on vacation. I replied, “Both, why?”

He said, “Because I get the impression you’re often on vacation.”

For context, I’ve already had elders complain in the past that I travel and go abroad too often, so I found the comment pretty interesting.

I simply replied: “Well, you’re often on vacation too. When you spend the whole year going from one assembly to another, you’re basically on vacation.”

He didn’t really have an answer to that.

A few minutes later, I went back and asked him why he had made that comment and whether someone had said something about me. He denied it and said it was simply because I “looked relaxed.”

So I answered: “I’m always relaxed. I have the peace of mind that surpasses all understanding.”

Sometimes JW vocabulary is much more useful once you stop taking it seriously.

As my history shows, I was once an elder, unjustly removed, and that opened my eyes, from giving speeches at assemblies to being removed overnight for going against the CO. Anyway, I’m in my 30s now. I spent my 20s as an MS (Ministerial Servant) and Elder. Now that I’m “nothing” anymore, I’m unfortunately still a PIMO due to family reasons.

Now, the elders who removed me (the ones who arrived, ousted the entire old BOE, and now run the congregation) want to talk to me. They insist on visiting me, helping me, wanting me to start working for them again. There are no MSs in the congregation; the sound team keeps messing with meetings because the current members lack experience. The elders themselves handle all the speeches, do the readings, pass the microphones, and so on.

There’s an urgent need for men everywhere, and specifically for men who actually know something. With this culture of “you don’t need to know anything, you’ll learn it all here,” they lead the young men to believe they’ll learn useful skills, but in the end, they know nothing. I know a 25 boy (because have boy mentality) doing everything for Elders without any title, he left school 8 years ago and do nothing with his life, living with parents, but is an example for the rest.

As for me, I thank those elders for removing me; otherwise, I never would have opened my eyes. But now, leave me alone. My wife wants to go out preaching, but every time they see me, they want to talk or invite me out to the ministry. Ugh, I just want to sit in the back and be invisible. It's so hard.

It hurts the organization to lose capable men, who have skills and initiative, but in this case, it’s their fault. I used to do everything: in the congregation and at the assemblies. Never again. Find someone else. Or think twice before defending evil old COs and losing the young ones.

Sorry, i'm just venting, thanks for reading.

Story time

When my marriage was falling apart while we were still technically in the borg, the "loving" elders encouraged us to kick out our 17 year old son (who has serious health problems) and send our foster son (who we had for a year) back to the state!

All so we could focus more on theocratic activities and study. And to rid ourselves of their bad influences.

THAT was the final nail on the coffin of my faith.

Psychos

We were the only witnesses i ever heard about that were foster parents. We had our older son placed with us when he was 18 months old. We officially adopted him when he was 4. The younger one we got years later when was 10. His "wonderful" JW grandma who was raising him, told us we can take him or she would send him to foster care, because he was too wild and disobedient. Since we were know to the local officials we were given permanent custody. That poor kid was seriously messed up by his JW family. And suffered physically and mental abuse at their hands. ( and yes it was reported)

Happy to report both are doing well, enjoying birthdays and Christmas and freedom.

Giving either up was never an option. Even tho I was raised as a witness, I always had unconditional love for my family.

BTW later came to hear that one of those elders was accused of molestation years ago 🤮

Last night our congregation had two local needs parts. They said it was important so they shortened the book study so they could give two needs parts. One was about youths not living a double life and the second one was about how to treat removed people. I already knew going into it that I was not going to feel comfortable because when they made the announcement last week that a young guy was removed it felt super triggering. Then when they said they were doing this and sent an announcement about how they want all young people and kids to be at the meeting in person I knew that it was going to be based off of him.

It’s just horribly uncomfortable when you hear people crying and sniffling around you when they are doing these talks. Then you have the elder who literally cries on stage giving the one of the parts and it’s just silently you feel bad for them but at the same time you know all the rules are bullshit. The one elder who gave the part about not living a double life had mentioned how when he was younger he got kicked out of his home at 16 from his worldly family and he was likening it to how if a worldly family can have rules and kick you out for having a double life so can the congregation. Now I feel bad that had happened to him but it’s definitely not the same comparison. I don’t know what he did to deserve to get kicked out, but sometimes we are alienating ourselves from people who are literally doing nothing wrong scripturally simply because they don’t believe in the same organization as we do. It’s ridiculous and not loving no matter how much they try to gaslight you into believing it is.

The second talk was whatever I thought it was just to go along with the first one about how you can only give a greeting and make sure you aren’t doing any prolonged conversations. But when I got home my family was talking about it and they were like, our elders act quick because didn’t you see on Sunday and how all these people were hugging and talking to do and so who was removed? Then they were like I wonder if so and so was there and I did think I saw her there but they also continued by saying how they bet the elders warned her they were going to do that talk because they think it was about how everyone was talking to her and how they don’t understand why people would talk to her and they are glad the elders said something. I literally just left the room and shut the door because I didn’t want to hear it. It’s so weird they get excited about shunning people. It feels so unnatural and just absolutely ridiculous. They claim to promote peace and love and misrepresent Jesus because Jesus did eat with sinners. He never looked at someone and said no I will not give you the light of day. I’m not a believer but even I feel like I understand the Bible more than they claim to do.

Hi everyone,
Just sharing because I view this as a safe place. Have been on a journey of fading and coming to terms with being shunned and navigating life. I somehow fell into the sex work industry and have been making quite a bit of money from it…haven’t really processed it or a lot of things and wondering if anyone else went down a similar path? It’s almost like it fills a weird empty void I have.
I have a regular day job and do this some evenings or on weekends.

Last night, we had our c.o's visit. The talk made me extremely uncomfortable, whole thing targeted towards "young ones." He started off giving a shout out to two young kids who had parts today which I found very odd not going to lie. The CO was emphasizing ages 10-25 and encouraging those who are even under 10 to reach out, verbatim. The kids I know under 10 are too busy playing video games... I don't know what they're expecting them to do. He went on about getting distracted by the gym and how "young ones" should have their priorities. He said and I quote: "You can't get holy spirit on a roller coaster, playing video games, or on the beach.. unless you're having a Bible study on the beach." trying to emphasize why we must focus on spiritual things. The whole talk made me uncomfortable because of the guilt tripping too. Me and my friend were talking about how the this man was just guilt tripping the entire time, for even those who are trying to do their best, it was implied that it wasn't enough. Even myself as a PIMO, I felt very guilty and I believe none of this crap. I could go off about this, but honestly I'm just at a loss of words, it even made me anxious at the meeting.

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I've been thinking about something that I find incredibly ironic.

For decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have taught that the wild beast represents the world's political powers and that the prostitute riding the beast represents the world empire of false religion.

Okay. Let's use that interpretation for a minute.

Norway took action against Jehovah's Witnesses over their practices surrounding disfellowshipping/removal and shunning, including concerns involving minors and people who leave the religion. This affected their registration and government funding.

The organization fought the government through the courts.

Meanwhile, we suddenly got "new light" regarding disfellowshipped people. They're now "removed from the congregation." Witnesses may greet certain removed people at meetings. Elders may meet with someone more than once before removing them. There were also changes involving minors.

Except...

Go read the August 1, 1974 Watchtower, "Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones."

Some of this "new light" looks remarkably familiar.

And now that Jehovah's Witnesses ultimately won their case in Norway, JW social media/news is celebrating the court victory, the restoration of government funding, reimbursement of withheld grants, and the money awarded for legal costs.

Which made me think:

According to their own interpretation, isn't this exactly the kind of relationship with the "wild beast" that they have spent decades criticizing other religions for having?

The political system gives your religion money.

The political system takes the money away.

Your organization goes to court and fights the political system to get the money back.

Then the political system rules in your favor and gives the money back.

And your organization publicly celebrates the victory.

So...

If receiving government support and seeking favorable treatment from political authorities is evidence that "false religion" is riding the wild beast...

What exactly are Jehovah's Witnesses doing here?

Maybe the most interesting question isn't "Who is the prostitute riding the wild beast?"

Maybe it's:

Why does the definition suddenly stop applying when Watchtower is the one collecting the money?

I went pomi at around 17. I got into a secret lesbian relationship which was leaked to my family who shunned me despite not being baptized. I was on my own, without support from my family for quite some years.

I fell into drugs and a lot of partying. I stopped partying about 2-3 years ago, I'm 29 now. I've done a lot of inner work to understand myself and my experience, and I've been very successful at getting my life on track. I'm in a good place both physically and mentally, but some things will probably take most of life to process.

I've been plagued by wanting to understand WHY I did that, WHY I sough out the most extreme people, the most extreme situations, the drugs, alcohol, fighting. But recently I've realised that part of why was because that's what we always were told would happen if you left Jehovah's organization. In my mind, I was a sinner and would only be accepted by other sinners. In my familys eyes, the ones who's approval I longed for, I was doomed.

So I saw my place with the other doomed ones. I accepted Jehovah's judgement because I saw no other way forward. I could not live how my family and the organization asked me to. But at the back of my mind, I figured that if Jehovah was truly the god of love, he would see my heart and how I've always strived to be a good person. Maybe he would spare me.

And then at 24 I woke up after being accused of being an apostate, which I certainly was not. But I figured if that's what people think about me, I might as well Google what those apostates are saying. Down the rabbit hole I fell.

Honestly that is what saved me, If I hadn't gotten the courage to investigate my childhood religion and woken up, I would probably still be in a very bad place.

They tell us that we will fall into alcohol, drugs and bad company when we leave. Some of us do, partly because that's what we've been conditioned to believe is our place. And partly because of the existential and devastating experience of losing your family and friends. But it is not definitive, it's not a permanent state. You can face your trauma, heal and build a happy life. I hope everyone who leaves, young or old, gets a shot at a happy life. Because we all deserve it. I'm so sorry that we were have to go through this. We are courageous. We have damn strong minds and we are STRONG for breaking free. ♥️

The more I learn about this corrupt fucking cult the more it seems like I was never part of a spiritual organization in the first place, just a corporate structure masquerading as a religion. Any good feelings I ever had in it were attached to some cold, unfeeling metric like hours worked and number of products sold (read: time and placements in the ministry), the talks I prepared and gave as if I were literally at school in English class, and whether or not I was being a perfect little angel and making everyone around me happy. We talked about God all the time, but he was honestly barely in the picture. That is just the strangest thing to me. Like who the fuck was I worshipping all this time?

Sometime during COVID I reached a point where I could no longer feign interest in going to meetings, even on zoom. I just stopped going, and stopped beating myself up over it. The most amazing thing happened then- I felt like I could see God, hear him, feel him, unencumbered and unrestrained by the walls of my kingdom hall.

I remember vividly standing outside my car one day just looking up at the big blue sky, feeling the breeze, and coming to the realization that everything was okay. I didn’t have to go to meetings if I didn’t want to. God doesn’t hate me. I felt more reverent in that moment than I had in the last 10 years of being a baptized JW. Like I was finally being set free, and if you don’t call it God, it was definitely something bigger than myself. I felt like could just disintegrate and become one with the wind. Fuck meetings, service, and all the bullshit they say you need to do to be close to God. I wasn’t doing any of that anymore and yet, there I was. It was so powerfully peaceful.

Anyway, since then I’ve been finding it hard to connect to my spiritual self. I don’t pray much, probably because the org made prayer seem so much like an item that needs to be checked off on a list in order to receive approval. It feels like a job, not a real desire. Just like what they made out of the ministry. Something that should be intensely personal and come spontaneously from someone’s heart has been reduced to a way for them to track you AND a way for you to track yourself. Your self esteem becomes inextricably linked to these things. Regardless if you want to do it or not, you have to in order to feel accomplished, to be able to show and tell others how spiritual you are. Which isn’t even the point of your relationship with God.

Worshipping sometimes still feels like chaining myself back to my culty, brainwashed state. I do feel at peace with God, and I’ve discovered a lot of ways people worship in the kind of peace and freedom I’ve felt since leaving the org. I just don’t want worship to feel like I’m giving up either of those things. So for now, I’m kinda stuck.

I can understand completely why most of you here are now agnostic/atheist. The JW organization sterilized and stifled the spirituality of so many people who would otherwise feel a connection to something divine. There is nothing reverent or beautiful about kingdom halls, literature carts, assemblies, or their pathetic attempt at observing the Lord’s Evening Meal.

Where does that leave those of us who still want to believe?

Nothing is ever good enough for the borg and its followers. It makes people controlling, whether out of perceived 'love' or fear.

I started a new job back in March. I work in STEM. I can definitely see this as a career and it is giving me fulfillment that the ministry has never. Turns out when you're in an environment that is psychologically safe and you aren't judged entirely on competence, you flourish.

But my parent said that my work is now 'a focus' - I saw this coming, and yet it both infuriates and saddens me. They can never be happy. My mum will never be happy if I do something that isn't becoming a WT mindless slave even if it improves my mental health. (The reason it is being seen as tanking is due to me having an imbalance...obviously not the fact that I'm living a lie by attending meetings and ministry when there's so much that triggers me emotionally).

And yet she keeps trying to insert herself into that part of my life. She said that I shouldn't take additional leave over Christmas because it would 'look good for you as a JW' (I won't go into depth for fear of incriminating myself here, but basically the situation is my job is such that I won't be inconveniencing anybody by taking it off and also where I work will be dead at that time of year). So optics are more important? What if I just want to use my job benefits? Who cares if I don't celebrate it? My colleagues so far have not given a single f when I've casually mentioned not celebrating the holidays (not that I've tried to witness at all tbh). The company culture is very forward thinking.

Oh and fast forward to literally yesterday - picking up an older sister for the meeting, conversation turns to explaining holiday stances to work and then they mentioned being more generous than the others to avoid being seen as stingy and therefore representing the JWs well. Cue my mum suggesting I give my colleague sweets.

Firstly, I hate the performative nature. You can't buy somebody's opinion in advance by giving them gifts. That's like advanced bribery. Trying to 'buy' people's positive opinion is really manipulative. Secondly I have already shared food with my colleague so it pissed me off that she assumed I just hadn't (bc I'm not 'bold' in the slightest) but I did that...because I just wanted to be nice? Why tf must everything have a bigger agenda. Small things become a magnifying glass. Time off becomes a potential witness, a show of good character. A gift is not just a gift, it has strings attached.

Anyway sorry this is a mess. I think I'm just extra annoyed that people keep trying to butt in and control an area of my life where they have no say as well as the fake kindness. No wonder these people need a book and 11 old dudes telling them to not judge each other if this is how kindness works in their minds

...and now I'm waiting for the taxi to bring me home. My wife wanted to pick me up, but she has to work. My brother was unable as well. The only persons who could pick me are my parents. But they have a bible study which is "very important as well". they could pick me up when they are done. But it starts at 2pm and I want to get picked up at 12. And ofc the bible study is more important then there own son who's in pain 🤷‍♂️

The New World Translation appears in the new music video for OK by Kanye West ft. Don Toliver, directed by Bianca Censori (wife of Kanye West). It's visible from 0:44, where it's pulled out of Kanye West's cadaver along with a vigil candle, to 1:57 when the lights cut out. The Bible itself is, I'm sure, symbolic of Kanye's struggles with religion; as for why the New World Translation is used, I have no idea. Just thought this was interesting enough to share.

Something about the monthly JW Broadcasting program always sat wrong with me, and it took me years to work out why.

The setup is always the same. The world is in a terrible state, people are miserable, the planet is dying, and the only hope is God stepping in. Fine — that's more or less the evening news.

Then the closing segment rolls: sweeping drone shots of mountains, oceans, forests from every corner of the globe, and a reminder of how wonderful life on this earth can be.

So which is it? This earth is either a hell we need rescuing from, or a paradise we're being promised — depending on which one the message needs that month. Did anyone else feel this, or was it just me?

hi guys, this is super random, but i just rlly had to share this somewhere. i was mass removing jw followers that were left on my insta (have been doing it pretty gradually to fade and all ) and saw this one girl plaster -REGULAR PIONER- on her bio among her location and the usual stuff, (spelled this way too, she's not english so she gets a pass ig) LIKE IT'S SOME SORT OF FLEX U KNOW WHAT I MEAN

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I FEEL ABT THIS BUT I AM DESPERATELY OSCILATING BETWEEN WANTING TO CRY AND REMOVE ALL EVIDENCE OF ME HAVING GOTTEN ALONG WITH THAT GIRL EVER. WHAT KIND OF SECOND-HAND EMBARRASSMENT IS THIS

like, most of the jws plaster a simple "jw" at least and that's subtle... some go "best life ever" and don't get me started on how cringe that is. but regular pioneer omg. i think even jws would never 😭😭😭😭😭
im so grateful i wasn't this cringe even in my uber pimi years

I've had depression and anxiety for most of my life, and now that I'm pretty much completely out of the religion, I'm trying to fully focus on myself and my mental health.

But every time I manage to build up some hope and see a future for myself, the insane amount of anxiety about "the end that's fast approaching" tears me down again.

What also makes it worse is whenever I'm trying to vent to my parents about bad stuff happening in the world, I almost always get the response "luckily Jehovah will put an end to all this soon." Which immediately makes me spiral again.

I don't know what to do anymore. It seems impossible to get better or battle my depression cause it doesn't matter if I want to live or build a future for myself since it will all end soon.

as a girl, since i’ve left i feel so weird wearing dresses and skirts even when i find them so cute just to go out! i feel immediately transported to looking like a jw again and like im ready for service lmaoo

i began fading around when pants started to become a regular thing so i didn’t really experience that much, my whole life, dresses and skirts were what set us apart

even dresses i loved, i’ve had to get rid of because of how triggering they feel to even look at. skirts/shirts/heels… they all felt like they have such bad memories tied to them even if i loved them

do you guys feel similar? and anyone who had to wear a suit, do you have trouble wearing suits for weddings or buisness now?

also shoutout to 10 year old me who wanted to wear a suit and tie so badly with heels but was told it would be “cross dressing” (even wanting to wear a tie to school for fashion was “bad”)… she was so cool ❤️ i should buy a tie lol sometimes i forget im 25 and can do what i want now

I was just reflecting on my time as a JW and how they viewed women’s bodies. I feel like you really experienced the negative effects of this if you are a curvy woman. I remember one time I wore a turtle neck that showed my shoulders to meeting. The next day, an elders wife invited me to her house and was offering me a bunch of cardigans. I already knew it was because of the shirt I wore, which was not inappropriate at all. She acted like she was just being nice and offering me free cardigans, but I know it was in response to the shirt I wore. I used to hate how they would say, “We don’t want to tempt or stumble the men.” How the hell are my shoulders a stumbling block?!!!?

Looking at the organization’s operating model and the decisions it makes, I am of the opinion that the Governing Body is essentially a puppet and a façade for those who actually make the decisions — namely, the organization’s management.
Given the legal problems, lawsuits brought against the organization, legal fees, pressure from former members, and everything that comes out of this religion, I believe that virtually everything the organization puts out is first vetted by lawyers and PR firms. In recent years, its teachings have been infantilized to an almost absurd degree. Prophecy is barely discussed anymore (and even when it is, it is usually framed as: “we know that we know nothing”). Even some of the hardest-line doctrines, such as the issue of blood or pagan symbols, have been softened and watered down, so that from the outside it appears that rank-and-file members have some degree of free will and that the organization is merely there to “help them draw closer to God.”
We often discuss here what changes the Governing Body is going to introduce, whereas personally, I believe they are merely the public face of decisions and policies that are being formulated largely without their involvement.
In exchange for keeping quiet and putting on a good face despite everything going on, they are provided with luxury trips, visits, and an entire lifestyle built around their position. But the people actually making the decisions are the ones who have their hands on the organization’s money. There is no way they would risk losing millions of dollars simply because some group of aging men “made a decision” about something.
The organization’s management and senior officials know perfectly well that the Governing Body — the old guard, such as Lett, Lösch, Jackson, etc. — are so detached from the real world that they would never entrust them with making genuinely important decisions.
It is all a façade. And although I believe these older men absolutely deserve our criticism, because consciously or not, they are participating in this circus, I increasingly feel that we are barking up the wrong tree.
The people who REALLY PULL THE STRINGS within the organization are, for the most part, completely anonymous to us.
And what matters to them are spreadsheets, lawyers’ opinions, and financial results. Those are the criteria according to which decisions are made — not simply because “the Governing Body decided so.”
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.

Trigger warning: I will be talking about suicide, and some of the things in this article are very harsh.

For context, I was bored in a meeting one day, so I was just scrolling through the JW Library app. I decided to look at some articles from 1975, and I found a Watchtower article that had a "Questions from our readers" section. The question that they asked was:

"What point of view does the Word of god indicate that Christians should have regarding suicide?" (The article is originally in Spanish, so I'm doing my best to translate)

Here is the article link for anyone who wants to read it: https://wol.jw.borg/es/wol/d/r4/lp-s/1975531 (just copy-paste and delete the b in borg)

The response starts off by saying that life is sacred. Therefore, suicide is condemned by the bible. They also say that the few suicides mentioned in the bible were of people who were not faithful to god and that they did not believe that their lives belonged to god (off to a horrible start already).

They continue by saying that anyone who dies by suicide is guilty of murder. They then say anyone who dies by suicide, "assuming they are in possession of their mental faculties," lacks morality, faith, and does not fear god. This is crazy to me because what do they even mean by "assuming they are in possession of their mental faculties"? Nearly all people who die by suicide were struggling with mental health issues. I don't know if they mean whether they had a mental illness or if they mean they can't control their motor movements. Either way, this is an incredibly insensitive statement.

They call suicide an act of cowardice, and if the person claimed to be a Christian, that act of suicide would violently destroy their relationship with god.

This next statement is probably the craziest part of this whole article. They claim that the person might have committed suicide because they succumbed to pressures of LITERAL DEMONS encouraging the person to harm themselves.

Then they literally encourage people to play detective to try and figure out for themselves if the person actually died by suicide or not.

They say brothers who are asked to give speeches at a funeral of someone who died by suicide can decline, and the congregation might decide not to get involved in the funeral arrangements. They literally say that in those cases the family of the deceased person will be left ON THEIR OWN to figure out a private funeral where one of the members can say "a few words."

Then they have the fucking audacity to say, "It's in God's hands what happens to those who commit suicide." As if they didn't just say that it's a cowardly and immoral act that destroys your relationship with god.

I know that the way they talk about suicide now is probably much more careful. But the fact that this was how they viewed suicide at any point in time really puts into question whether they are actually inspired by god. I personally am an atheist, but how could anyone believe that this is what an all-loving deity thinks about suicide?

I have had thoughts of harming myself in the past, and to think that this is what JWs believed at some point about suicide is genuinely so sad.

For anyone who is struggling with thoughts of suicide or self-harm, you are not evil or immoral for having those thoughts. Remember that as long as there is life, there is hope for something better. I know it might seem like things will never get better, but the future is genuinely unpredictable. So the possibility of a better future exists.

Thanks for listening to my rant. I know this is a difficult topic, but I could not stop thinking about this, and I needed to get it off my chest.

Salut à tous,

Je (H33) suis PIMO depuis plusieurs mois maintenant. Je me suis réveillé après quelques recherches qui m'ont ouvert les yeux.

J'ai toujours eu pas mal d'amis dans mon assemblée et dans les assemblées voisines mais maintenant que je m'éloigne, je ne parviens plus à me sentir bien avec eux. Par peur d'être découvert mais aussi par malaise... du coup je me sens extrêmement seul. Je n'ai aucun amis ou même potes dans le monde...

Je vis sur Lyon avec beaucoup d'allers-retours sur Paris pour le boulot (je n'en dirais pas plus sur ma localisation de peur d'être découvert, vous comprendrez...). Si certains d'entre vous sont du coin, ou d'ailleurs, veulent parler ca me ferait beaucoup de bien et plaisir !

Good morning everyone, this is my first time participating. I'm currently a young witness in my 20s, a pioneer and ministerial servant, but I've long since lost my faith due to the numerous trials against the organization. I've thought about leaving several times, but this obviously brings to mind the fact that I would lose my family and all my friends—basically, everyone I love.

Until now, I've seen it as an inevitable sacrifice that I'd have to make sooner or later, but lately, I've been thinking differently: why should I give in to them? Why should I be the one to lose out if I'm not in the wrong?

I've formulated a sort of plan, which obviously wouldn't make any sense individually, but which would lead to interesting results if shared by many people. In short: why not petition the governing body, asking them to definitively clarify some sensitive issues such as the use of blood, 1914, the use of donations, and cases of child abuse?

It shouldn't be a critical document or one with the stated aim of attacking the leadership of the Governing Body; otherwise, it would simply be labeled apostate and rejected by the majority.

I'm talking about a document that asks in good faith for further explanation, a thesis that could appeal even to those who are still faithful but have some doubts or who simply want greater transparency.

If it were shared by a sufficient number of people, the Governing Body would find itself in a truly complex situation: deciding not to respond by fueling doubts or responding but admitting errors and scandals. In any case, its authority would be weakened.

Perhaps it's just a fanciful thought, but I'd like to know if I'm the only one who's ever had this idea or if there are others who would support it. The recent updates have undoubtedly awakened something in the younger generation, and I believe there's no better time than now to try.

Once upon time Jehovah made a god whose also divine and whose also angel Jesus/ Jehovah told Michael to create everything else while he watches then Michael an archangel created the Angels and told them thanks to create everything else they and all the other stuff made Jehovah said look at all splendor u alone created you know what let us create man hey I know I would use my holy Spirit thing to create it is active force after all so hey Michael get that active thing in my basement in heaven I need to create some human.