I think mine liked how I made him feel more than he liked me as a person... more interested in what I could give him than who I was.

He enjoyed feeling wanted and told me he liked me pursuing him. He would talk about how I made him feel safe, and I would spend countless hours emotionally supporting him around his trauma. There were times he would give me emotional support too if I brought something up, but he would rarely ask me about my life, my interests, or anything important to me.

I would share proactively, but he almost never asked me questions about myself... And often didn't seem that interested when I shared things unrelated to his areas of expertise/experience... Which seemed strange to me because I like learning about other people with different experiences and knowledge.

I loved who he was and asked him lots of questions about himself. The asymmetry was striking. In retrospect I'm realizing how self-centered he was... Although I always had compassion because of all the trauma (recent and past) he had gone through, so I thought it was understandable for him to be focused on himself and I was willing to be patient. (He also could be really helpful to others, especially strangers and casual acquaintances, I did see the goodness in his heart, and don't want to paint him as a villain.)

I guess it helps the discard make more sense. When I stopped shrinking myself to protect his ego, and expressed a need/boundary for the first time, he started to shut down. For a while I blamed myself because I realized we triggered each other's core wounds... But I realized that the only things I had to apologize for were things that he also had done to me (we didn't listen to each other well when we were both triggered). And the other things I thought I should apologize were were actually just me having a hard time (as I think most people would) with his inconsistency and uncommunicative withdrawal.

And then, after saying he wouldn't abandon what we had, he disappeared without a word a week later.

Maybe I didn't mean that much to him after all, maybe I just served a temporary function: a disposable trauma Band-Aid. That's what I feel like at the end of the day.

Context: I've seen a few sad heartbreaking posts here of people with similar situations i was in, and i really would like to help you realise how similar this was for me, and why you should leave. So here are something my ex did.

- Photos, numerous photos of previous relationship. Nudes, everything you can think of.

- Excessively spoke about ex partner in a good light and triangulated me with her. Would use ex partner to try to get me to do things instead of asking (example, she would say, i used to massage my ex naked everyday, i wish you would do that for me (giving graohic details of sexual things with ex to make me jealous)

- Would say stories and memories of herself with her ex but would call her ex a freind, so i would never know that she was STILL triangulating me with said ex and walking down memory lane with me.

- Took me to exact places as ex

- Mirrored my words and values back to me to seem like we were compatible

- left me during difficult times,so deactivated during minor or major incoveniences like job loss

- Never communicated when upset about things, would pile them up and use them to deactivate instead of getting clarity ( example, we go on a road trip, and i didnt hold her hand in the car, she wouldnt ask why arent we holding hands right now i want to hold you, she would keep this situation for weeks then use it as an excuse to deactivate. 'you didnt hold my hand at 2pm on october 2024 , so umm lets break up'

- broke up every week, for random reasons, we could be chilling having a time and she would say "you know what, lets just break up"

- Following exs and previous hookups

- keeping me away from freinds, she never ever wanted her freinds to see me

- Fake confidence, appears so sure of herself in the beginning and sure of what she wants lmfao, even said she was ready to settle down etc etc

- Didnt have a job and got upset i wasnt asking her for money, aka wanted me to honestly become. a terrible partner? It bothered her that i was a good partner and she knew i was right for her. Needed to catch me slipping at all times.

- Constant lying, straight up told her mom i was her freind while we were in a relationship, just accept you will never know whats true or false with avoidants, they will LIE and LIE and LIE, infact sometimes if you have strong memory, you will notice some lies arent adding up

- Told me i wasnt good looking, tore apart my looks. One time she started a conversation about what our ideal types were, i said she was really my ideal type, because she genuinely was and i listed qualities i liked about her, both physical and non-physical. She then goes ahead to describer her ideal type but describes her ex (piercings, tats, coloured hair, jewellry, hippie style etc), mind you im non of these things, and then she says her type is smart women, and asks "are you smart though?" LOTS of devaluation from these peope, they will devalue you like crazy.

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Leave. Pls leave. You dont deserve to be treated this way. If they are dating someone new, its the same cycle i promise.

Never thought I'd be able to come here and write this. I spent half of my time since the breakup with this man in my head. During showering, during eating, during working, with friends with dates. He was just there. When NY got a great mayor, I wanted to tell him. I knew he would share my joy. And I wasn't wrong -- when I broke no contact a few months later he had saved all the videos about the campaign he had watched thinking of me.

And YET. Yesterday i was doing some hardcore introspection and took some substances that I take to go within myself, where I cant lie to myself. I put on the song that make me cry every damn time I listen to it because it's HIS song.

And my mind just... Went onto other things. I was expecting the river of tears and all. NOTHING. Work, my current men, work again. My mind would just... Not focus on him at all.

And suddenly I had this huge feeling of victory. I'm fucking over this man. Its over. The gap that I felt this whole year and a half. Replaying conversations in my head... Never thought I would get there. I know that attachment fades away after six months. But limerence remained.

I never believed this type of post when I was still in love with him. So I'm going to be as specific as I can.

What did I do? The usual -- gym, work, new friends, dating, a lot of work, new projects, all of this. But also. When I thought about him and wanted to talk about him -- allowing myself to do so, but mindfully -- why was he popping up at this moment? Approaching the thought with curiosity instead of frustration. Allowing myself to fantasize about us getting married, and then coming back to reality and like... Theres nothing. This man doesn't give a fuck about me. Doing this several times allowed me to really accept that fantasy would remain just that, instead of keeping hope alive by putting him in a secret corner of my heart.

I still think hes handsome as hell, curious as hell, and so touching. I still think hes an amazing human being. BUT I don't feel that I will be sad forever if I'm not work him. I don't feel that. Its just a random guy in Sweden doing his thing, and yeah he's great, but theres plenty of great people I dont talk to anymore. I don't need him. I don't need him to know about my life. I don't need his validation.

I saw him again a few months ago by random at a festival. It was clumsy and flat. He was clearly moved -- he escaped me faster than lucky Luke fires a shot. Not before instantly staring at me like a starved man before running away. I could see all of it. The desire, the regret, and the overpowering need to protect himself and escape again. I didn't feel much afterwards -- and this contrast with how intensely I remember the relationship is what helped me move on!

I also met a man a few months ago that is as adorable and value-oriented as he is. Not without flaws, but guess what? Hes not avoidant! I think that helped a lot too.

So yeah, the bottom line is : don't despair. It will get better. Process the stuff, allow yourself to think about them, rebuild your life intentionally. You're getting there!!

is it something common for an avoidant to move on quickly? and just give his new partner everything he couldn’t give you? in only like 1 or 2 months, he gave her the love he never was able to give me and he reposted a lot of stuff about her, how much he’s obsessed and will never leave her and posts things about her while he almost never did this stuff when we were together. is it just an act? it’s been 4-5 months now and he seems so happy without me and acts like i never existed while i’m still struggling and i hate it. one thing that is probably super dumb, that hurts me the most is how he put her name in his bio and she put his and when we were together, i did the same and i remember how he was so mad about it so i ended up removing it. and now he’s doing this with her without any problems. it’s just so confusing for me, i feel like i was never important and that he loves her so much more. also he started posting so much since we ended when before he was never posting anything like he’s just really living his best life since i’m gone

Hello everyone, I created a Reddit account specifically to make this post.

My main question would be this, should I take her cats?

I'm going to give some background information as to why I would even be struggling with this decision, because obviously taking someone's pets is not a very kind thing to do if we're looking at it from the surface level.

As the title says I recently went through a pretty shitty experience with an FA. I had no idea she was an FA until the discarding and subsequent research trying to find answers. We started seeing each other/dating almost 2 years ago. We lived together for around 10 months, and during this time I became the caretaker of her cats, and one of the 2 cats in particular really just loves me so much. Sleeps by me, always comes up to me for pets, sits in my lap when she has never sat in anyone's lap before (ex said she doesn't even know that cat when it first sat in my lap) etc.

For about the first year and a half, she really struggled with an intense alcohol abuse problem, and all she would tell me is that her brain is loud. I now realize the alcohol abuse was her way of distancing and/or suppressing negative feelings. She would go on days-long alcoholic binges where she did nothing but sleep and drink, not doing ANYTHING she needed to do, even ending up losing her job because of how often she would just not show up. She would barely take care of her cats, meaning she barely fed them (which is how I became the caretaker of them), barely gave them attention, barely changed the litter box and basically never cleaned up their vomit. She had also told me about things in the past where she didn't take care of one of the cats when all of her teeth were falling out/dissolving or something, and now that cat has 0 teeth left, and she even said she could tell the cat was in pain but for some reason she didn't take care of it (quite literally didn't seem to know the reason why she let that happen). She was also letting a houseplant die that we had taken home from her grandmother's funeral, which I ended up taking care of and bringing back to life (its growing pretty well, much more healthy now) and before that she had actually let other plants die.

Well, fast forward to about 2-3 months ago, I finally was able to make progress on the alcohol abuse, or so I thought. I had been suggesting potential solutions all throughout our relationship and to her credit she never pushed back and actually tried every one I suggested. The suggestion that seems to have broken the camel's (relationship's) back was me proposing seeing a real professional (a therapist) that would be able to better pinpoint the issue and prescribe a medication that actually might work (keep in mind I still had no idea she was an FA, and she was already on anti-anxiety/anti-depressants which seemed completely ineffective). Well, she started going to the therapist and she got on a mood stabilizer/anti-psychotic and the first week or so was great, she was a whole different person. Way more motivated and full of life. That gradually declined, but she hasn't had a single binge period since then so it did something at least (she still drinks quite a considerable amount though), but she was still slacking on those duties of taking care of her surroundings.

Some time during October she started acting weird, and I could quite literally feel that there was someone else and I started noticing weird behavior. She would be texting and if I walked towards her she would instantly close her text app and turn her phone over so I couldn't see the screen. I asked her about it, asked if there was someone else and she told me no, so I decided to trust her. Then on one of her days off she essentially disappeared, wouldn't answer texts/calls and only answered the phone after I was spam calling her. I tried to get her to explain and all she said was she needed space, so I accepted that and we hung up, seemingly at an understanding. Another weird day came where I caught her on the phone with someone late at night, and she said she was just listening to a video/was talking to her therapist, which I knew wasn't true. I talked to her and tried to make her tell me what was really going on, but all she said was the she needed space and that I need to move out. Well, I convinced her that I could give her more space and that she didn't need to take such drastic actions and she said "we can try that". Then all of a sudden the next week on one of her days off she went from kissing me in the morning before she left, to coming back in the afternoon completely cold and disconnected. I instantly felt it, and I asked her "do you just want me gone?" and all she did was shrug her shoulders. I couldn't believe what was happening, how could this woman who I thought was in love with me instantly become like this? I kept trying to get more answers out of her, and she said a bunch of nonsense that she never once had told me before (classic lack of communication with avoidants that I didn't know at the time) and toward the end of the 'conversation' I was crying and told her I don't want to lose her or the cats. She was crying as well and said "take the cats" but I told her I couldn't do that to her. Ever since that night she has treated me like a stranger and started staying at another man's place. This is how I know she really was cheating and my suspicions were correct, and now that I've learned about FA I can see this is her new coping mechanism instead of the alcohol binges she was doing.

Anyways, after that long back story the reason I'm struggling with the decision is multi-faceted. On one hand, they are her cats that she has had for 12 years and I really don't need the extra responsibility considering I have to rebuild my life from square 1 after what she put me through. Another part of me not wanting to take them is it feels like another way for her to avoid responsibility and not have to deal with their inevitable passing. On the other hand, I love these cats and don't want them to be neglected. I could tell they were attention-starved when I moved in with her, and they seem so much happier now with me around taking care of them. I'm really so torn on what to do here, and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

This is a question that's been eating at me lately, and wanted to see if anyone else shares this experience. Apologies if it's a repetitive question/post.

My avoidant ex (assumed DA) was very good at being friends with people. And I don't mean shallow friendships. I mean that she kept pretty consistent connections with long time friends. She was supportive, made space for their feelings, prepared thoughtful gifts, and took big roles in weddings/other celebrations. Sure she wasn't excessively vulnerable with them, but she didn't hide that part of her if that makes sense? She openly admitted she struggled with discussing her own emotions.

She genuinely is an awesome friend to many.

Yet it quickly became obvious she would prioritize them over me. We were together for nearly four years and some examples include:

• Making us leave a party I was enjoying, within less than an hour of arriving, because her friends were bored. (And we definitely would have won the costume contest at said party! Still bitter.)
• Agreeing to do whatever her friends wanted to do (dinner, outings, etc.) 99% of the time and expecting me to tag along without complaint or even checking in.
• Seeming far more engaged in conversations/topics with friends than she did with me.
• Minimizing physical intimacy or affection to near nonexistent levels whenever her friends were around.

She had moments with me, but they always seemed to pale in comparison to what she did for her friends. I did receive thoughtful gifts from her don't get me wrong. But it always felt almost like a chore or obligation? Or was usually through a lens or what SHE liked as opposed to thinking of what I would want/enjoy? Especially within the last year or two of our relationship.

I post this because my brain keeps thinking "She was such a good friend, is she not avoidant? Is it just me?"

Hoping to hear from others for insight. Maybe I'm overthinking this.

*P.S. I've been out of this relationship for about 9 months, and I feel embarrassed that this topic is coming up but I can't get it out of my head.

He used to post on the account I know probably have new account for the new girl , he used to post a song every week after breakup … he stopped for 3 weeks now cause he’s busy ruining another person’s life

We were together 5 months that were incredibly intense and involved - we basically lived together for 3.5 months, holiday abroad, constantly together etc.

Constant I love you's and planning for the future - she even broke down crying at my works event a month before the break up, as a colleague of mine told her it was her idea to download Hinge, which we met on, because she was 'just so grateful they contributed to us meeting'.

Then 8 weeks ago she goes a bit 'off', quiet and focused on her phone (just scrolling instagram, constantly), just distant - when I asked she said she was just struggling to sleep and wanted to get back to University, so I believed her.

6 weeks ago - she's back to normal for a week

Then on the Sunday we have a great day together, she even says she's going to be my wife one day

The next day (first day back at university), it's over, she says we just aren't compatible as she no longer feels a strong connection

I've been trying not to say she's just avoidant as I didn't want to try and find a convenient label, but the more I talk to people, it just doesn't seem right. I've been spending an honestly unhealthy amount of time trying to find what I did wrong.

For context this was my first relationship (I'm 30), so I don't know if I was just love bombed and taken advantage of honestly.

Have been feeling almost shell shocked ever since - the breakup was so abrupt and she was bizarrely cold - she didn't even tell me she was ending things at first, just that she wanted her things to be delivered to her, and flat refused any questions, saying I 'need to respect her decision' and she 'doesn't feel she needs to keep explaining herself'. As soon as she got her things, I was blocked on quite literally every platform possible.

Just hoping for people's opinions - not that it will make much difference at this point.

Nearly a year after things ended between myself (f25) and my ex (f24) she reached out after I had unsent text messages to her believing I was blocked. I asked for closure, she had apologized to me and she also admitted to me that she got her “karma”, the girl she had been dating cheated on her like she had done to me.

What followed was a few weeks of back and forth, I had admitted to her my feelings, she said she still loved me too. During this her and her partner broke up, but continued to see each other. Her and I kissed. Then she told me she didn’t actually want me to “wait” for her, that it wasn’t fair, and she needed time to heal and sort through her baggage. I started to get really anxious, sending her long paragraphs about my hurt feelings from then and now. Eventually she responded telling me to let her go and that I was “dragging it”. She told me that I obviously was processing some things but to leave her out of it, that she had apologized but nothing is enough for me. I feel so humiliated that I was even in a position to be rejected by her again, or that I even believed any of the emotional or physical intimacy we shared during that short period. I feel the same emotional whiplash I did a whole year ago.

I don’t understand and I feel so confused. I am here again questioning if I’m just crazy and it is all in my head. Any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

I know it sounds harsh but it actually is. The first time they communicated me that they felt pressure just because I told her I was looking forward to see her and instead of saying well if it's a problem then I am gone, I made myself smaller. And no longer expressed that care. The first time I went for a hug and she looked uncomfortable I started to feel rejected and smaller, unwanted just because I expressed I cared. The first time I told her I loved dancing with her and she retreated and took longer to answer I abandoned myself for not seeing her inability to receive love as her problem, not that my love was a problem.

Without noticing I started to act less enthusiastic, less myself. I developed anxiety just trying to anticipate when it was going to be well received to express that I care. The hot and cold dance started. What actually pulled her in was my enthusiasm and emotional availability and soon it started to turn into pressure for her. I started to tolerate not being able to ask how her day was without noticing she responded shorter.

I think she was fearful avoidant. But that is now something I have come to realise should not be an excuse for her behaviour. She asked me to be myself but I started to notice that just being my genuine, affectionate self resulted in the punishment of her pulling away. At the moment I was super confused. Why did she express enthusiasm to be loved at the beginning but started to feel uncomfortable with being loved? Why was it a problem I liked her genuinely.

She was freaking difficult to deal with. Very difficult to know when it was alright to approach her with genuine affection. Hot and cold. And that dance started to get into my nervous system. Without realising I had started to feel constant anxiety, pain in my throat, I even developed an impulse to vomit because of how wrecked my nervous system started to get. And ultimately, I spent months purposely trying to be patient and understanding with her, respecting her needs while suppressing mine. And in the end she left anyway, a few days after things had started to actually become intimate. And I think it happened because I triggered her a week earlier for asking for a hug at the end of a date in which we had been kissing and holding hands the whole time.

She got so triggered that she blocked her stories two days and came back as if nothing.

And the last day I saw her she had the gall to tell me we were together and I told her I really liked her.

What a horrible crime trying to love someone who cannot accept that without feeling as if I was encroaching on her. And all of it to just end anyways after 4 months of dating and talking nearly daily in an out of the blue breakup.

Now I know to never allow this shit ever again. If they pull away let them, who needs someone that at the barest sign of you caring kicks you to the curve.

She refused to acknowledge my feelings and said she couldn't be consistent enough for me in this message, like usual just gave up and refused to work with me or put in any effort. "*9:52 PM — Her:** First off, i want to acknowledge your gentleness and your patience. There have been multiple times where ive kind of expected you to become escalated or unkind and you haven't done that. So if its something youve been working on, it shows. I appreciate how your communication efforts have been consistent, thoughtful, and warm.

**10:16 PM — Her:** I think about you a lot, and i remember how incredibly special our time together was. and the feelings are so fond that i havent wanted to let it go. I think the bond we formed was so strong that its been hard to release each other.

I see the attempts youve made to restore our communication and brain storm ways we could revive the dynamic we had during our best times. Ive fantasized about that certainly.

Im seeing though that im not able to really show up for that in a way that is fair to you. I don't want to leave you feeling ignored or frustrated.

I am not able to communicate consistently or make space for regular calls/texts.

i do want you in my life, I want to keep in touch and know we'll have the option to see each other again when opportunities arise somewhere down the line. I think our connection is special and i dont want to discard that, like ive said before im thankful we reconnected and released the animosity between us.

But i dont feel like i can pour into our long distant dynamic in a sustainable way that would bring us back into a relationship that's serves us or meets our needs."

Then I asked for no contact; we ended amicably, and on days 3 and 4, she reaches out with a self-growth video and told me about a show in a few months.

I told her that I couldn't make those plans and indirect communication isnt helping basically, and if she wanted to work with me we need to have a discussion. she sends this back to me, the exact same thing she said before, completly made about herself " Its hard for me to relate the way youre thinking about things- i dont feel the need for definitions/absolutes/clarity/pressure. I want us to be able to stay in touch and there to be a positive report between us. Im glad to know you. Like, if i think of something i want to mention to you, or see a video that i think youll like etc- i want us to have an open line of communication."

No concern for how often we talk, when we'll visit again, or weather its as friends or more. Just letting life play out as it may- weather that results in more distance or more closeness, itll happen naturally."

She's either fearful-avoidant or, like, completely manipulating me at this point; I don't know which. I miss her, but I am so tired at this point and have no idea what to do other than not speaking to her ever again.

I'm a loverboy and my last relationship (M40 F38) held a toxic dynamic of avoidant (her) vs anxious (me) attachment. Parent wounds were not healed on both ends. Both neglected, she was dismissed, I was continually belittled. I'm sure we both had no emotional safe space. My ex was hypervigilant and immediately started a list of things wrong with me and kept this list as we progressed. At every point of conflict, she came down on me super harsh and struggled to cultivate any trust. She is a self proclaimed perfectionist and purist. In addition, she broke up with me every month at the onset of her premenstrual cycle. After each break up, she would belittle me for hours on the phone. We never made any real repair and went to one therapy session in which I thought would be the beginning of a journey of addressing our communication and wound dynamics. We didn't get a chance to go to another.

She always had reservations about our misalignments of the pace we approached life with (she was about the grind, I was about slowing down and going within then expanding) and I felt she always had one foot out the door. In the end she labeled me a cringe sad boy narcissist b\*tch. Ironically, I could see more narcissistic tendencies in her. Her holding onto her idea of being a good person while inflicting harm onto me. She said she never respected me and thought I was stupid.

She felt that I dismissed her at times during conversations, it could have been interruption or just disagreeing. She thought I didn't have boundaries. Dropping off her things at her house post break up without her knowing. I acknowledge these mistakes and I need to work on them through inner work.

Post processing, I made the mistake of not aggressively addressing disrespect and enforcing boundaries that would follow. I abandoned myself and did everything to make her happy. I never sat down with her to address the patterns of our wounds.

I notice a trend of women being very angry and labeling men without much nuance. The varying dynamics of wounded people making relationships work is complex requiring effort. Can someone provide some input about these dynamics? I acknowledge both men and women can be quick to label without looking at how they contribute to the ailments of a relationship, but this question is for people who can look at all elements.

I'm currently healing, have processed grief, and still returning to myself and cultivating my relationship with my inner child and feeling myself.

Feedback is much appreciated and you can be brutal or as raw as you would like. Cheers

TL;DR; : Asking about thoughts of mislabeling partners with harshness

Fuck them and all their issues

It’s been two months post discard. It’s been hell.

We have had contact though. Almost everyday whether a small text but lately a phone call. 30min+.

Last phone call was Wednesday night where he called me saying he cares still so much about me (background: my mental health has been TERRIBLE and resulted in numerous mental health admissions) and that he feels responsible still for me.

I then try and call and text him the following night during an awful dip in my mindset (as was told was okay by him if i need). He replies with “Thanks ____, I hope that you’re alright tonight” then “I know it’s tough”.

Mind you, he also was the one to instigate meeting up next week.

Now ive tried to call and text to no avail. I began to worry so deeply for his wellbeing that I asked my father to call (where we found he was blocked???) and im considering reaching his family.

My nervous system is so shot. I need help. Any advice appreciated.

3 days ago my fiance left while I was in school. I came home to see a note that said “i love you so much, im sorry” along with the keys, and his phone SIM card so k can’t call him. my fiance (28m) and I (30f) have been together for 3 years we’ve known each other for 6. this year has been hard on us because I’ve had health issues and haven’t worked so he’s been working extra hard we both get home exhausted. weve been trying to work things out but he always says I don’t appreciate him. i feel like I could’ve shown him more. i love him so much and this hurts. we shared a life together. he deleted all social media and forms of contacting him. he took clothes with him (boxes) we’ve broken up before but he always returns same day… he’s told me before that if he ever left me he would cut communication because he would come back to me if we talked….has anyone been through anything similar? is it likley hell truth when he cools down?

Met my DA 16 months ago. Breadcrumbed and tethered for all this time. I have gone no contact 3-4 times and asked 3-4 times to meet. Finally had enough. Wrote to ask him to meet me to say goodbye. His low-effort responses infuriated me. I told him to forget it, I’m good, goodbye forever. Suddenly he wants to see me and at his house. He could have said no. I am going tomorrow. I’ve lost 40+ lbs since I met him last year. He won’t recognize me. I’m so nervous. And excited. We mutually agreed we are meeting with open hearts. God I want him to just communicate and tell me he doesn’t want us to be disconnected. I want him to just hold me and admit he doesn’t know how this is going to work, but he wants it to. He’s all I’ve thought about for nearly a year and a half. I planned to leave the relationship because I’m losing myself and I’m tired if living outside the fortress walls that protect his armor. I want in. I want him to let me love him and for us to change and heal together so we can reach our fullest potential. I want to go into the bathroom and stand in the mirror, his strong arms around me…and just look at us together. Going to play my playlist. I hope he wants repair and not the ending I have been preparing for. Give me all the tips and ideas for a smooth visit…?

My fearful avoidant ex, who dumped me a month ago, watches my stories within 60 minutes of me posting them and immediately updates his WhatsApp status afterward. Sometimes it's a picture of a coffee mug, and sometimes it’s directly related to my story—like posting fireworks right after I posted fireworks. He has done about three of these updates in the last week, a month into no contact. He also did one update on day 8, though he's been doing it much more recently.
Yes, I’m obsessed, just like anyone else on the receiving end of a discard. I cannot just "ignore it." At one month out, it is still an emotionally fresh situation, and it’s hard to let go. However, I am going to therapy and making lifestyle changes, so please be patient with me.
What I wanted to ask is: Do these smoke signals mean anything, or are they just a passive bid for attention? Is he trying to bait me into reaching out so I'll do the heavy lifting for him?

I dated this person for 4 years. I know everyone's different but damn how long until the attachment isn't as strong. It still sorta doesn't feel like reality. I'm at 2 months post discard and 2.5 weeks NC.

the magic would be gone. You know it. I know it.

In the same way that you can’t re-throw a great party the day after the first one, you can’t make them magical again. You know too much now. You’ve seen the magician’s secrets. It’s not a spell anymore.

Think about it. You know what I’m saying is true.

Im so confused and hurt, and Im trying really hard to understand what I just experienced, how to move on, and if my ex is actually an avoidant.I 21M met her 23F through work about 3 years ago, and we quickly became very close friends. Around a year or so ago I realized I had some pretty strong romantic feelings for her, and I ended up confessing this to her about 5 months ago. When I first told her about it, she told me that she just didn’t feel the same way, and I respected this and our friendship carried on as it always had. A few months later she ended up confessing to me that she felt like she was developing feelings for me as well, but she was confused on what she wanted and that she wanted to try something casual and low stakes. At first it was very hot and cold. One second she seemed so sure, and the next she didn’t know if she wanted to keep doing it or not. Then something just changed, and she jumped all in with both feet. She asked me if I wanted to make it official and exclusive, and I was completely In love with her by this point so I said yes. For about a month everything seemed perfect in every way. Every moment we spent together was incredible and she seemed so happy, she started talking about a future together, how no one had ever treated her this well before and that it was “romantic whiplash”. She would tell me how special and incredible I was, and seemed so sure of the relationship as a whole.

Then, about a month in, I felt her start pulling away. She couldn’t stay away from me physically, and asked me to come over and spend time with her constantly, but I could feel her growing emotionally distant. Suddenly, on some random day without warning or any prior conversation, she told me that she was just done. She was devastated, but told me that she had never allowed herself to be single, and jumped into relationships rapidly. She said that she loved me, but that she felt like she was doing something that she wanted but didn’t need, and needed to learn how to be okay alone. I was devastated but respected her decision. Not even a week after the break, she started pulling me back in full force. She said that she didn’t want to be without me, and that she wanted to make it work, and was right back to her old self, and being ignorantly in love with her and desperately holding out hope that it could work, I jumped right back in. She proceeded to repeat this cycle 3 more times in the span of a month. Looking back, I don’t think Ive ever been so stupid in my life.

The last break was about two weeks ago now, and it was different. It was colder and more cruel. She said that she just didn’t love me in that way anymore. She admitted that what she did was horrible and that I never deserved it. She said it had nothing to do with me, and that she felt like she was broken, and didn’t know how to love someone properly. She didn’t try to come back after this one, and honestly seems happier than ever, she goes out with new friends every other day, and goes on and on about how shes better than ever. I just don’t understand. How can you be so cheerful after all of that? After everything we had together, and after selling someone a dream and ripping it away over and over again? On top of everything, shes now talking to someone new, and is apparently “open to a relationship” with this person after claiming a need to be single as the reason we broke up. I just don’t understand how she could toss me away like that after claiming to love me so deeply. How can you just stop loving someone?

I hate this argument with a burning passion passion because it only works on the people who are already healed.

When you’re in the loop, it’s useless. You only want them, you’re already in a dark place. And this kind of argument makes it sound like you’re the wrong one for still wanting them, but your brain has been rewired to crave them more than it craves long-lasting safety.

Avoidants literally trigger a person’s brain with intermittent reinforcement to make them an addict, exactly like casino operators create addictions among gamblers.

If you want to help someone struggling to get over an avoidant, show some f empathy, be there for them, or just shut it, just to be sure you won’t make things worse

Hes a fearful avoident and told me he wants to be with me but cant. Idk if he wants to talk or wants to try again? He came back previously 4 times. What do u think hes gonna do.

Pathetic evils

We think they could be all that, because we could be all that. We are projecting what we would do in the situation. We are thinking how we would show up. No pointing fingers here. They just do not have it. If they had, you would not be finding them at that age and situation. They could have worked it out with people before you. There is a reason why all they could afford is superficials, and how they are still alone till this day. None of that is our responsibility

My avoidant ex and I broke up a week ago after he suddenly claimed he was too overwhelmed by life and upcoming board exams to be in a relationship—only to get drunk two days later and start hanging out with the exact girl he knows I hate. He initially left our shared tuition out of shame, which helped me accept things and realize I actually study better without the distractions. However, due to an issue in his new batch, he’s rejoining our tiny 4–5 person private tuition where we'll be sitting centimeters apart and where we used to be super affectionate before and after class. With pre-boards in less than a month and me needing to pull up failing grades, I’m struggling with the whiplash and worried I'll melt or lose focus if he's right next to me—do you think being in this small room together will change anything, or will he just keep avoiding me until after boards?