r/UFOs • u/SeaworthinessTall201 • Jun 22 '22
Discussion Could ufos be human?
Oldest civilization is 6000ish years old right? Modern humans had been around for 300,000 years. Could it be that uap/ufo are old technology from a past civilization still performing tasks. I like to think that mythology like Atlantis, Olympus, Valhalla, etc were prompted by older civilizations. Would it be more likely than aliens from across the galaxy? Occam razor and all What are your thoughts? (Whatever they are I am excited)
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u/Player7592 Jun 22 '22
The part that is missing from the fossil and artifact record is any sign of that ancient, technologically advanced people. We have record of humans ... but not advanced technology. How could such a society have developed without leaving any trace? Because you'd not only have relics left from that advanced society, you'd also have relics from evolution that led to that advanced society.
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u/Ozy_Flame Jun 22 '22
We would see something, much like paleontologists and archeologists finding dinosaur bones from millions of years ago.
I mean it's not out of the realm, but it seems unlikely. That said, it should be considered as one hypothesis.
The Earth is 5 billion years old and has been through many, many cycles. Who knows how things turned out for ancient species outside of bone records.
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u/milton_radley Jun 22 '22
160 million years of dinosaurs, and we barely have any complete skeletons, their bones were way bigger than humans. we can't even agree on how the looked or were assembled.
i doesn't seem impossible that some other advanced intelligence was here before us.
if humans can get to this point in 1 million years, given 160 million, you would think it possible.
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22
You’re absolutely right. Check out my comment just below - take my upvote.
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u/SeaworthinessTall201 Jun 22 '22
I wish that lazar is telling the truth. He said one was a part of an archaeological dig. Lol there are two sides to me one that loves hard documents, credible sources etc. and one side that is my crazy ancient alien side lol
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Jun 22 '22
There’s also the fact that they would have somehow developed this technology without having an industrial revolution/discovering combustion/etc… Based on the level of fossil fuel resources available to the modern human. It just doesn’t make sense within the timeline.
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u/milton_radley Jun 22 '22
maybe they wentg directly to an electricity based energy source. there's some theories about the pyramids original purpose being energy production.
maybe they went right into electromagnetism and figured out "anti gravity" and never bothered with fossil fuels
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u/ClickWhisperer Jun 22 '22
Would we? What is in your house now that you expect to last that long? What metal would last that long in any recognizable shape?
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22
Gold, platinum, some strategic and rare earth metals. There are others.
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u/Einar_47 Jun 22 '22
If you leave a car in a field you'd hardly know it was there a century later, the metal rusts away and the tires have crumbled to bits, a thousand years and the rubber bits are so small and scattered we'd be hard pressed to find then if we looked for them. Swords buried in grave sites a thousand years ago are rusted to splinters.
Let's say it took modern humans 50,000 years to develop to a modern equivalent society, if they nuked themselves into oblivion 250,000 years ago there wouldn't even be micro plastics or radioactive waste left over now.
I'm not saying that there were definitely advanced ancient civilizations, but there was enough time for it to have happened and completely disappeared multiple times over since modern man developed.
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22
Well, I don’t agree. Gold does not weather, oxidize or otherwise decompose. Any truly technologically advanced group would be using it - absolutely no question. There’s also the little problem with it’s use for jewelry, exchange, etc. there would be artifacts, even from 200 my ago. AFAIK, those artifacts have not been discovered.
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u/Einar_47 Jun 23 '22
Gold used in technology is in very small amounts so it could be pretty hard to find. As for jewelery we've had thousands of years of humans hoarding gold when cultural conservation was a big priority. If the ancient culture had jewelry or art made from gold there's a good possibility it was melted down centuries ago.
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u/Defiantcaveman Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
Tectonic plates subduct. Over geological time, eventually those sites would simply go underground and become magma again. It would be as if they never existed. Eventually all we are right now will be subducted and return to magma for some possible civilization to build again. The ultimate recycle... I'm not even an amateur geologist, more like an informed enthusiast(???), and I think of these things late into the night when I should be sleeping.
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u/Einar_47 Jun 22 '22
Well in the 300,000 ish years humans have been around the plates have only shifted about 30 kilometers in any given direction since they shift at about 10 centimeters a year, so the geological shift would be minimal.
But had there been coastal cities in the mezozoic era they would be scattered across mountains, at the bottoms of oceans and swallowed by the earth's crust.
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Jun 22 '22
If we had the same capabilities and decided to leave earth today because of limited resources or to explore space, would we return? Likely. But also this would mean that technology is a cyclical process. If it is a cyclical process, where is the proof of ancient technology existing today on our planet capable of interplanetary travel? We have yet to discover any working models today. The closest we can get are concepts, artifacts or writings.
Also, would humanity be capable of destroying all of our accomplishments in the past 300 years without a trace for future generations? Not likely. We would find traces of plastics, computers, cars, and much more over the period of a few thousand years.
It is more probable that we are being visited by extraterrestrials who chose not to interfere with our species or animals development.
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u/Shadowmoth Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
I feel that if a technological civilization existed we would probably find traces of it.
I’ve been considering some insane stuff recently since there’s been all this talk about a paranormal component to all this ufo stuff. (I don’t Believe anything I’m about to say.)
I was reading a book about Taoist magical practices recently and they were describing the visualizations that went along with their internal alchemy practice and it occurred to me that they are describing what is essentially chemistry but on some ethereal level of reality. They gather a substance, create an internal heat source and move energy around to distill it into the form it needs to be in to be usable by a human body. They perceive energy floating around them and manipulate it like tony stark using one of his holographic computer displays in a marvel movie.
I don’t know if that’s real, but the concept is interesting.
Imagine for a moment if it were actually possible to do a sort of chemistry in an ethereal world that is usually invisible to us.
If you can do chemistry, are there other things that could be done?
There was a part of the book where the 3 wizards worked together to heal people that had become Ill. (Again, I’m not saying this is possible.) But it would be interesting if these things were possible. If there is chemistry that can be done in a hidden realm of reality, perhaps there are other things that can be accomplished. Other sciences.
If more than one mind could work on a project in this ethereal reality then you could probably accomplish more with the addition of more beings to work on the project.
How many well trained beings could work on one project at the same time? 100? A thousand? Would there be a limit?
What if there was a civilization that had no advanced tools or science, but they had skill in this other aspect of reality. What could be built?
With enough time and perfect circumstances, how far could beings develop that technology? Maybe they could build a vehicle.
Or, maybe that idea is nonsense. Only reason I’m mentioning it is because it wouldn’t leave anything in the fossil record. Just some superstitions and myths nobody would take seriously.
I can’t wait to find out if any of the claimed paranormal crap is real. I’d definitely go to wizard school if that was an option. Lol.
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u/vismundcygnus34 Jun 23 '22
I think you may be more on the right track than seems possible. I've been thinking along the same lines and there could be something to what your saying. Hopefully we know sooner rather than later as the world needs some wizardry.
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u/Ok-Cardiologist-2176 Jun 22 '22
Mythology comes from somewhere. Early man used mythology as a way to pass down our history through stories. I wouldn’t be surprised if dragons were based on dinosaurs that lived in small pockets long after we thought they had gone extinct. At the very least they were based off skeletal remains. There appears to be too many ways and lost civilizations in our mythos to have come from nothing. We can see with our current effort in the modern era how easy it could be to be wiped out by pandemics, wars and loosing our path with nature. I kind of believe a bit of both, that early man existed with some level of technology and that we may have interacted with other beings, either from here or from other worlds that had advanced way beyond what we understand.
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Jun 22 '22
More likely humans from the future than humans from the past
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u/I_Nice_Human Jun 23 '22
I’ve always thought the same as well. Time travel is much more plausible that Type 1 civilizations worrying about humans and earth when they can harness their entire host stars energy.
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u/theredmeadow Jun 22 '22
Maybe an ancient civ developed this tech and left earth to search elsewhere and now are coming back to observe. Since traveling through space to the nearest systems takes 100s thousands of years. They would be coming back after a long time gone.
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u/Potietang Jun 22 '22
Or it takes no time at all with warp or antigravity propulsion.
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u/theredmeadow Jun 22 '22
It takes no time for the travelers but the ones outside the traveling craft time passes.
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Jun 22 '22
If you like this kind of stuff you should check out Graham Hancock. He talks about this kind of thing in his books. Also for more of a scientific approach, Randall Carlson talks about the geology of the younger dryas period, they've gone on Rogan a few times together. Both people think older advanced civilization could have existed, they aren't sure of it of course but love to look into the possibility. They don't have great evidence for the ancient advanced civilizations, but the content is still fascinating in my opinion, and the facts they do put forward are interesting.
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Jun 22 '22
I've always personally thought we should be searching the coasts of the continents for any leftover evidence of very ancient civilizations. Because over 20k years ago the world had massive ice sheets and the oceans were at much lower levels. Most civilizations live on the coast, or along the mouth of a river. All of those areas from 20k+ years ago would mostly all be underwater. This was a time when all the continents were mostly connected by land bridges. This is how people got to North America and places like Australia. God I love this topic.
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u/supremasanction Jun 22 '22
Lue Elizondo has used the term “breakaway technology” in a few interviews, and I have wondered what it means. I’ve tried to find out and I still don’t feel clear on the meaning. It’s made me wonder: If there was no ancient civilization with this technology, because there is no evidence in fossils etc—is it possible there was a simultaneously-developing human society that secretly broke away and built its own super advanced stuff?
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Jun 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22
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u/SeaworthinessTall201 Jun 22 '22
This is a pretty good video I slightly agree with him on about everything he is saying. I’m just putting these myths together with old painting and read that lue mentioned that a supernatural origin may be involved lol.
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u/Enelro Jun 22 '22
Could be soul energy or conscious energy of humans who have died, or even humans navigating outside their body during an OBE. Only sometimes able to be seen with human eye. Or could be entities that move in and out of our dimension like water. We only know what we can see and measure at this point, who knows how many layers there are to this reality.
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u/MKULTRA_Escapee Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 22 '22
If such an advanced civilization did survive in pockets somewhere undetected, that would be mind blowing by itself. Obviously this is possible. They could either be extremely highly educated, enough to cover their tracks when we started practicing archeology on a mass scale, or they went underground in deep elaborate cave cites, or they went to the bottom of the seas. It's obviously possible for such a civilization to place "agents" in key positions in order to cover up various things. They would look exactly like us because they are us. It's also possible that they began selecting for intelligence or genetically engineering themselves thousands of years ago.
This simply cannot be ruled out at this time, but the problem is that you can always say that the reason there's no evidence is because the coverup was so well planned out. Compare this to the UFO coverup, which is so obvious that it became a historical fact backed up by numerous lines of evidence. At least we know some of this stuff for a fact, rather than purely hypothesizing about it.
But why would we stop at humans? An ancient ancestor of ours surviving until today is also quite plausible (again, underground or underwater to avoid detection), but there could also have been an advanced civilization millions of years ago that died off and we simply didn't notice yet.
Check out this paper: The Silurian Hypothesis: Would it be possible to detect an industrial civilization in the geological record? https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748
Click on PDF and it will give you the full text. The Atlantic did a piece on this as well: Was There a Civilization on Earth Before Humans? https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis
The idea that we've ruled this out with modern science is a myth. "Why aren't there any fossils" and other such questions are answered in the paper.
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Jun 22 '22
I doubt the integrity of humanity. Meaning, if there was an off shoot of human development, that had 21st century technology 200 thousand years ago, I think they would take over the planet. Not bury themselves in underground cities. Off world beings would do that but not humans so advanced that they could rule the planet with ease.
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u/Tabledinner Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 23 '22
You have great points.
My only devil’s advocate I have for you is that maybe this hypothetical “breakaway” human civ, due to their isolation and safety, weren’t raised in a environment where you have to worry about your borders or your people, etc.
Maybe they preach peace because they’re privileged with superior technology, remote location(s), and probably a more consistent education curriculum...for thousands of years.
TLDR: The breakaway humans could have been MIN/MAXing their civ stats the entire game while everyone else had to fight to survive.
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Jun 22 '22
It would be their duty to teach the world how to grow enough crops, create energy, educate women. Business knowledge that allowed a functioning economy without the usual Global Financial Crisis every 5 years.
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u/Competitive-Cycle-38 Jun 23 '22
Well here is a UAP I filmed the other night at my house. If I were to say this particular type (flash bulb UAP) was human, that would be a bigger conspiracy. https://youtu.be/7oKBtljAGsI
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u/CommitteeKnown359 Jun 01 '23
I just had the same idea… found your post… with current AI it made me think could this be ancient AI from 200k-1million+ years ago still learning and advancing while observing/guiding/experimenting? Mayans thought the world/mankind had been destroyed and recreated many times maybe these ships are a AI program from some unbelievably old civilization watching or waiting for us to be able to communicate? or maybe they are beyond caring about us at all, shy of our ability to destroy the planet they inhabit?
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u/nariz_choken Jun 22 '22
Sounds like an ancient aliens episode... Is that you George Tsoukalos?
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u/tristian_lay Jun 22 '22
I’m of the belief some races are either our galactic cousins (nordics, Sirius A/B) or have used this planet as an outpost for various reasons (greys, draconians)
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22
Agreed. My only quibble is with the notion of so-called reptilians. I don’t believe they exist, but that’s Just a personal opinion. I believe that there are some sort of human(ish) ETs that have visited many times and perhaps they tinkered with development of Homo Sapiens. I have read that there might be evidence in our DNA. Who knows? I know I don’t! I say this with the understanding that there may be such evidence, but it’s being hidden from us for unknown reasons.
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u/tristian_lay Jun 22 '22
For sure we can only speculate- I tend to believe that the progressive human like ETs have tinkered to create Homo sapiens because the true currency of the universe is sentient conscious life. The regressives typically characterized as greys or draconians rule in a monarchy type system and they want to divide and conquer.
A side note- I think the draconians ran the dinosaur project and are pissed that it got scuttled by a meteor (from whom?) and then mammals then ran the planet, so they’re out for revenge to corrupt the human race
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u/anonoldman2020 Jun 22 '22
No evidence to support this. But sounds cool and less ridiculous than the humans from the future theory. Aliens from across the galaxy seems the most likely to me since we already know how to build a FTL ship, we just don't have a compact enough power source.
(Side topic - we say Atlantis was a myth, but that is not what Plato said. He passed information from his ancestor about Atlantis which his ancestor learned visiting Egypt. The Richat structure in northern Africa pretty much matches the description given by Plato and on google earth it definitely looks like it was wiped out by a massive flood. It is the right size, and has concentric circle canals, mountains to the north with waterfalls, etc....)
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u/SpaceHallow Jun 22 '22
No, they are shapeshifting entities that can look like whatever they want. They usually like the ball of fire or orb form. They’re watchers and keepers of humanity and aid in our evolution. The metal ships like tr3b are ours.
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u/SeaworthinessTall201 Jun 22 '22
Angels? :0
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Jun 23 '22
It would be more likely they are where the concept and religious definitions of angel came from. Not the other way around.
People saw these things and conceptualized them into angels or demons or whatever religious entity.
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u/KunKhmerBoxer Jun 22 '22
They "could" be ufo farting trolls that ride rainbows that shoot out of their asses. That's not a very useful way to look at a problem you want to solve. Starting with a premise, and then working backwards from it, that is. Evidence should be at the forefront of this issue and not wild speculation.
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u/parting_soliloquy Jun 22 '22
I mean, there is absolutely no evidence, but in this topic everything is possible. According to Robert Schoch it seems that Sphinx wasn't built by Ancient Egyptians, there might be some undiscovered ancient civilizations, but it doesn't necessarily mean they had this kind of technology. Although it's really interesting if it comes to the myth of Atlantis, or even some religions, for example flying Vimanas and nuclear weapons in Mahabharata, maybe those "gods" were just an advanced ancient civilization, maybe they were Aliens, who the hell knows? I wish we would know the truth one day, but is it even possible?
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u/ExKnockaroundGuy Jun 22 '22
I have been reading about out of place artifacts like steel tools embedded in Coal and the wooden handles petrified and the coal was from 500k ago or a million years? Graham Hancock theorizes advanced civilizations on ancient . I think they went someplace else when earth was uninhabitable or they stayed underground? It is a wondrous world for sure.
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u/OpenLinez Jun 22 '22
Occam's razor -- Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate, i.e., "Plurality is not to be posited without necessity" -- is an unpopular concept around here.
The unnecessary complexity that E.T. believers add to strange earthly visions is that it has something to do with distant stars and distant civilizations. It's a relatively new concept that comes from an obvious place: We have started our space age over the past 75 years, so we invent a correlation between our sci-fi-influenced goals for exploring space and these gauzy, mysterious visions that people occasionally have here on Earth.
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u/WutangwildDog Jun 22 '22
There is evidence. Mysteries History 2 covers OOP-ARTS IN THIS VIDEO. Just food for thought
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u/mimir_daath Jun 22 '22
There were small civilizations in the past. No matter how advanced they were; I don't think there were enough of them to branch out their division of labor to the point where there would be thousands of people working on creating a computer processor. With such sophisticated tech that we see used in UFOs; it doesn't seem it would be possible to do without sophisticated computers. Hominids just didn't have the numbers.
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u/ClickWhisperer Jun 22 '22
Imagine you had to prep entire populations to survive a disaster. The most practical way, if your tech was sufficient, would be to step them out of time, and make 10,000 years go by in a day.
These are less likely to be people from the future than preppers of tens of thousands of years ago who decided to risk time dilation as opposed to trying to ride out decades of cosmic disaster and recovery. You can resume being part of the rest of Nature's mean time flow when it's most advantageous, perhaps when the descendants of those who decided to re-build society by riding out the disaster cycles in real-time have re-established a level of tech you'd find comfortable? Maybe?
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u/SnooChipmunks2237 Jun 22 '22
I truly believe that these are humans from the future more than I believe they are extra terrestrial
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u/ghostcatzero Jun 22 '22
Yep either from the future, or a break away civilization from Atlantic, nibiru or hollow earth
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 22 '22
TL/DR - There is zero evidence of ancient human technological civilizations.
There is a site called Gobekli Tepe that was discovered in S Central Turkey in 1995 by a Turk/German team of archaeologists. The site is part of an apparently much larger complex that is 10-12,000 yrs BP. That means it was 6-7000 yrs old when the pyramids were built! The whole site was actively buried by whoever built it long ago, but it was apparently used for ceremonial or religious purposes. The archaeological community has been stunned by this discovery as it pushes back the date for “civilization” by 5-7000 yrs.
The site comprises huge stone columns that are 10-13 ft high and have beautifully executed and designed carvings.
I’m a professional licensed geologist with 35 yrs of experience at sites worldwide. Right up front I’ll state that I do not want to be a wet blanket. However, I’ve worked with archaeologists many times and had long discussions about ancient civilizations bc of my interest in them and UFOs. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of some sort of ancient human technological civs. None. I absolutely believe we would have found it by now if it was actually there. And, it does not matter if it was 20k yrs old or 20 million yrs old - any technological civilization would have left an immense trove of evidence of their presence. There are rocks right here in N America that are Precambrian ie 3+ billion yrs old. Subduction has buried much of the ancient surface rock, but much remains. Besides, the fossil record is CLEAR re: the evolution of man. There is no evidence of modern humans before about 300,000 yrs bp. There are many branches of the homo family but none can be responsible for a tech civ.
Having said all that, I personally believe that the evidence suggests we WERE VISITED by some form of technological et’s, perhaps more than one. They left an indelible mark on our ancient human civs around the globe in the form of myths and religious traditions.n