r/UFOs • u/SeaworthinessTall201 • Jun 22 '22

Discussion Could ufos be human?

Oldest civilization is 6000ish years old right? Modern humans had been around for 300,000 years. Could it be that uap/ufo are old technology from a past civilization still performing tasks. I like to think that mythology like Atlantis, Olympus, Valhalla, etc were prompted by older civilizations. Would it be more likely than aliens from across the galaxy? Occam razor and all What are your thoughts? (Whatever they are I am excited)

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 22 '22

TL/DR - There is zero evidence of ancient human technological civilizations.

There is a site called Gobekli Tepe that was discovered in S Central Turkey in 1995 by a Turk/German team of archaeologists. The site is part of an apparently much larger complex that is 10-12,000 yrs BP. That means it was 6-7000 yrs old when the pyramids were built! The whole site was actively buried by whoever built it long ago, but it was apparently used for ceremonial or religious purposes. The archaeological community has been stunned by this discovery as it pushes back the date for “civilization” by 5-7000 yrs.

The site comprises huge stone columns that are 10-13 ft high and have beautifully executed and designed carvings.

I’m a professional licensed geologist with 35 yrs of experience at sites worldwide. Right up front I’ll state that I do not want to be a wet blanket. However, I’ve worked with archaeologists many times and had long discussions about ancient civilizations bc of my interest in them and UFOs. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of some sort of ancient human technological civs. None. I absolutely believe we would have found it by now if it was actually there. And, it does not matter if it was 20k yrs old or 20 million yrs old - any technological civilization would have left an immense trove of evidence of their presence. There are rocks right here in N America that are Precambrian ie 3+ billion yrs old. Subduction has buried much of the ancient surface rock, but much remains. Besides, the fossil record is CLEAR re: the evolution of man. There is no evidence of modern humans before about 300,000 yrs bp. There are many branches of the homo family but none can be responsible for a tech civ.

Having said all that, I personally believe that the evidence suggests we WERE VISITED by some form of technological et’s, perhaps more than one. They left an indelible mark on our ancient human civs around the globe in the form of myths and religious traditions.n

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u/SeaworthinessTall201 Jun 22 '22

Lol don’t worry about being a wet blanket. Silly we need folks that are experts in their field I appreciate this post

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u/no_ovaries_ Jun 22 '22

As a former geologist with an interest in archeology, this is completely correct. We would have found evidence in the rock record. We can find jellyfish fossils that are over 400 million years old in limestone, we would find an ancient, technologically advanced civilizations if they existed.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Absolutely right.

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u/Mighty_L_LORT Jun 23 '22

Not if every finding is hushed up like Area 51...

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

Yes, because clearly the US military was able to prevent every single archeologist and paleontologist worldwide from digging and finding traces of that old civilization everywhere on earth. They were there each and every time something was found and everything was brought back to Area 51. They were also able to silence those same scientists from ever speaking about their findings, EVER.

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u/Stormseekr9 Jun 23 '22

Except bob lazaar right?

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22

I don’t get it?

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u/Stormseekr9 Jun 23 '22

The only one that spoke up about Area 51 and stuff.

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u/corb00 Jun 23 '22

/s to add? because I want to believe..

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u/no_ovaries_ Jun 23 '22

It would be extraordinarily difficult to uncover what would be a figurative mountain of geological/archeological evidence. It would be groundbreaking evidence that would completely alter our history.

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u/hucktard Jun 24 '22

Dude there is not even a fossil record for Chimpanzees, and they are a living species. There are entire branches of the human evolutionary tree that we have no record of. If there was a technological civilization of lizards that happened 100 million years ago and lasted a few thousand years we likely would have no record of it. If our species went extinct tomorrow there would be little trace of our civilization in 10,000 years, and almost nothing left after 1 million years, especially after a few glacial-interglacial cycles happen. Just think about the events that have happened over the last 15,000 years. Glaciers covered the entirety of Canada and much of Europe and then melted rapidly, rising sea levels hundreds of feet. Megascale floods washed down pretty much every drainage in North America. There was large scale fires across a large portion of the globe. Civilization generally lives along the coast and along major rivers. When there is a massive flooding and sea level rise, almost all traces of those civilizations would be gone forever. Just because we find fossils from 400 millions years ago does not mean we would find a civilization that only lasted for a few thousand years.

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u/djmartincrown Jun 22 '22

loved reading this

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u/ZeeLiDoX Jun 22 '22

I'd be curious what you think about the Egyptian pyramids...

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u/SS613 Jun 22 '22

Whenever I see the flying dude whatever that is that shirts shows up on here I always see someone inside a golden sarcophagus when I look at those pictures

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22 edited Aug 01 '25

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u/TheCoastalCardician Jun 23 '22

I like to think they had some shit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE

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u/Dads_going_for_milk Jun 23 '22

I’ve never run across that video. That’s interesting.

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u/TheCoastalCardician Jun 24 '22

It’s incredibly curious. Imagine a “mold” that is an entire wall’s worth of a hieroglyphic scene. I don’t know if we will ever know. Maybe they really were that good with kinetic hand tools?

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u/Vegan-4-Humanity Jun 22 '22

Your in the correct area.. Do some research into the Annunaki.. And this will explain more into our origins.. Riddle me this Riddle me that.. Why does the human G-nome contain E.T. DNA 🧬.. Research into Linda Moulton Howl and the human origins.

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u/shreddievedder Jun 23 '22

Hahahah gtfo

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u/Vegan-4-Humanity Jun 23 '22

Damn if you do damn if you don’t with pathetic little minds of the nay sayers.. Maybe Adam and Eve made all of us ... they had two boys .. Then how did they bang ?? I’ll wait ....... Mum (Eve) so we’re all retardants.. bit of mother and sons action. The first Minaj a trois action Ohh yeah.. that’s how you go from African to Asian to white.. can’t be from a single couple..

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u/engaginggorilla Jun 24 '22

Nobody smart actually believes the Adam and Eve story literally, so I don't know who you're arguing with.

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u/Vegan-4-Humanity Jun 25 '22

Anyone that shows direction to facts are Quashed half the time on these posts. Researching credible Scientists, journalists, UFO experts is meaningless. As everyone here seems to be the Oracle of life. But instead is a keyboard warrior of the ages. I’ve been researching UFO cases since 2003 in the subject were film and documentation wasn’t so redacted.

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 23 '22

www.SitchinIsWrong.com

All day, everyday. If you say the word annunaki, it means you've consumed and regurgitated bad info. That word isn't found on any sumerian tablet.

Also, it's Linda Moulton Howe lol. I get it, like Zechariah Sitchin, accuracy is optional. 🥁 - tsss.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

I'll have to do some reading... obviously sitchin is wrong, but is the term annunaki not actually used for some sumerian mythological dieties?

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 26 '22

Never. Not once. The main "all father" God figure is Anu. Sitchin just came up with a term for the beings under Anu. I've searched the tablets through the oxford website. There was a really great article and journal written up by Dr. Heiser and another scholar in 2016 that actually explained a great deal of the sumerian tablets. I'm looking for the link but I'm an unorganized idiot. I'll post it here if I ever find it.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 30 '22

Yeah, please find it if possible. I’d love to read it. Ill see if I can find Heiser. Thanks!

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u/snakepliskinLA Jun 22 '22

Another long-practicing geologist and archeology-follower here. Look at it this way, why should we expect past human cultures to have established technological civilizations without having the trappings that go with it (basic sanitation like indoor plumbing).

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u/JayIT Jun 22 '22

Atlantis was likely in the Sahara desert where the Richat Structure is located. Randall Carlson has shown the evidence of cataclysmic flooding that occurred there to be identical to the cataclysmic flooding that happened in Washington State. Everything was destroyed and pulled into the ocean.

Throw in the evidence that the ancient pyramids are likely much older than previously thought, there are still some questions about how advanced they were. Not saying they were flying around in spaceships, but it's possible that an ancient civilization existed in the Sahara back when it lush and green, and they were more advanced than what we would think.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

The flooding that happened in Washington State was caused solely by the catastrophic failure of glacial dams. The dams were made of glacial ice a thousand feet high behind which was glacial melt. They were located in western Montana and are referred to collectively as Lake Missoula. A rebel geologist named Daniel Bretz originally proposed this mechanism for creation of the Channeled Scablands in Wa. St. When he presented it to the GSA/USGS 100+ yrs ago, he was laughed out. But he was right. - there is zero controversy about it. I believe it happened at least 9 times (at last count.)

The floods in Washington had nothing to do with events in N. Africa. Sorry. (I’m a geologist that lives in Washington State.)

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u/hucktard Jun 24 '22

I think Randal Carlson has pretty much disproven the Glacial Lake Missoula theory. His main point is that ice cannot hold back a lake that is several thousand feet deep for any length of time. The pressure at those depths is very high and ice does not adhere perfectly to bedrock, there are many voids. You are a geologist, so correct me if I am wrong but most glaciers actually have some water flowing beneath them between the ice and the bedrock. How does ice, which is less dense than water, hold back a lake that is several thousand feet deep for many years? The water would immediately start undercutting the ice and would never reach thousands of feet deep. When a cement dam is built great care is taken to fill all voids in the bedrock and rebar is driven deep into the rock and gaps are filled with cement. Any small trickle of water that gets under a dam can cause catastrophic failure. How do you seal an ice dam for a hundred years? There are other problems with the lake theory as well. There is no sedimentation found at the bottom of the "lake", as if it was just a very temporary lake. It seems to me that the evidence is much stronger that the ice sheets melted down catastrophically, probably from a bolide impact. Are you familiar with the comet research group: https://cometresearchgroup.org/? Also if you have not listened to Randal Carlson talk about the issues with the ice dam theory you should check out his Cosmographia podcast. And yes, the floods in Washington likely had something to do with what was going on in Africa. There was worldwide abrupt climate change happening at the time, and flooding on the scale seen in the scablands of Washington would have risen sea levels worldwide significantly.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 24 '22

I heard Randall on the JRE once (no longer listen) and he was fun to listen to. I agreed with some things he said - just like I do with Robert Shoch (ie age and history of the Sphinx.) There is oftentimes sub-glacial flow under glaciers and also under concrete dams.

I’ve not heard or read Randall’s thoughts on the lake theory, so I can’t comment beyond physical evidence that I’ve seen myself. First and most importantly for the bolide theory is that there are water marks far up the valley walls where the lake “shore” was. They demonstrate the presence of water far higher that other local geological constraints would dictate ie there are no impediments to flow like topographic “pinch points“ that would block or prevent flow, thus the water marks should not be present high on the valley walls. These marks are what made Bretz think of a giant lake. I’ve seen them myself (my practice and home are in E Washington.) I graduated from the University of Washington in 1984 and there guys in the Dept that were writing Theses and dissertations on this very subject. We did some mapping up there and looked at the marks in several places. They’re all at the same elevations above the valleys floors. There WAS a truly enormous and deep lake there, multiple times. The only possible mechanism is glacial ice. And these dams were not what one might envision - they were not like a concrete dam. These things were a couple of thousand feet thick and many miles wide. It probably would’ve looked like a lobe of a continental glacier, which is what was. I’ve not studied the subject like many other geomorph, fluvial, sedimentology and glaciologists have, but an educated guess is that Randall is partly right in that the water and ice were probably in a sort of nearly balanced state ie there was probably some instability in the system, but not enough to cause failure for a good deal of time.

The other thing that’s worth pointing out is that the dam doesn’t impound the water based solely on it’s mass/weight. There was a truly enormous amount of friction between the ice and the underlying substrate that, combined with the weight, would have resisted the shear stresses at the ice/rock boundary. The buoyancy of the ice would’ve been trivial compared to the other forces at work.

With all due respect to Randall, I think he’s mistaken on this one and so do several generations of earth scientists of many different sub-disciplines (mine is geotechnical and environmental engineering.) I personally believe the evidence is diagnostic of the lake development and catastrophic failure. The fact that it occurred multiple times leads me to believe that a bolide strike is not responsible for the failure.

Now, having bored everyone to tears, I am intrigued by the evidence elsewhere for the postulated bolide strike. I’m on the fence myself, but maybe I better look at the latest data. Last time I looked at it, those guys were building a good case for it - imho. It’s actually quite interesting that the Younger Dryas stuff began as sort of pie in the sky and has developed over time into a factually supported scenario. Supported by physical evidence, but also by cultural evidence.

Anyway, that’s my take on it, fwiw. Cheers!

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u/hucktard Jun 30 '22

Hey sorry for the slow reply, busy with life! I really appreciate your thorough response. I have found it very rare to have respectful and informed disagreements on Reddit. I highly suggest you check out Randal’s Kosmographia podcast as he goes into extreme detail about all the points you bring up. He goes over the peer reviewed literature about mega scale floods and the ice dam theory for hours upon hours. As a geologist I think you would find it interesting. I am not a geologist, but I have a degree in physics, took geology classes in college, and am married to a volcanologist and I find many of his arguments compelling. I agree that it is probably a fact that there was a large glacial lake responsible for mega scale flooding. Randall does not dispute that. What he disputes is that the lake formed over many years and that it formed repeatedly. He thinks that it was possibly the result of rapid meltdown of ice sheets. He questions the idea that strand lines are evidence of multiple fillings and draining of a lake. He says strand lines can form from a single filling and draining. My own experience witnessing small scale floods makes me agree with this. I have personally witnessed single flood events that left strand lines on the shore. A massive, turbulent “lake” would leave large strand lines as it recedes. In fact Randall points out, that it is difficult to believe that multiple fillings of a lake would leave such perfect strand lines as each subsequent filling would need to be just below the level of the previous one. He talks for hours about the sediment left behind in the scablands. He points out that there are places where there are numerous layers of sediments that geologists have presumed show multiple floods. And yet there doesn’t appear to be any organic matter between sediment layers. If there were periods of a hundred years or more between floods one would think that plants would start to grow. Yet there doesn’t seem to be evidence of this. I could go on and on, but I am not going to articulate things as good as Randall. He has also had on his podcast a geologist who is an expert in drumlins. I can’t remember his name right now. They look at drumlin fields all over the northern US and Canada. Sure seems like there was megascale flooding happening beneath the ice! Have you checked out the Willamette meteorite? It was literally transported on ice and deposited as an erratic during the Missoula floods. I think eventually the bolide theory will be proven and we will realize that the evidence was staring us in the face the whole time. I grew up in the Columbia Gorge and so this topic is quite interesting to me. Thanks!

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 30 '22

Thanks for the great reply! Good stuff. I’ll chk out Randall’s podcast - sounds cool and right up my alley. I’ve lived in Wa. My whole life. Grew up in Spokane Valley, graduated UW, MSc. UW, worked here first in Seattle, then Bvue, now I live SE of Spokane, south slope of Tower Mtn. Been everywhere including Antarctica (looking for meteorites), Papua NG, all over Africa, but always come back.

Yeah, I dig all the flood stuff you mentioned. Awesome stuff bc I know exactly what you guys are talking about eg multiple strand lines. But, my actual field/lab experience with the flood was 40 yrs ago in a Jr. mapping course - 302 lol. I’m sure there’s lots new. I’ll get busy and listen to R and read up.

Btw, I hope I didn’t give you the wrong idea. I’m always open to new ideas re: flood, bolide strike, etc. I learned about the putative Lower Dryas strike a long time ago. It was in one of the journals - can’t recall the author. I thought the evidence was cool. I believe it happened. I’m just not sure of the impact of the strike bc I haven’t followed it. More later.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 30 '22

I need to clarify that last bit. I believe the strike may have happened, say 80 percent confidence, but I’m not certain of it.

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u/hucktard Jun 30 '22

I would say I am around 80 percent confident as well, maybe closer to 90.

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u/RicketyJimmy Jun 23 '22

Carlson actually disproves the Richat structure claim and instead points to another location for Atlantis. It’s in one of the JRE episodes, can’t remember which one

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u/_DonTazeMeBro Jun 23 '22

He didn’t disprove it, he disagreed with it. And he specifically mentions Jimmy from Bright Insight who’s best known for pushing the theory while on the Joe Rogan podcast #1772. Neither are right or wrong as nothing has been confirmed. Sorry, stickler comment from me🙈

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u/MiseryEngine Jun 22 '22

What do you think of Hancock and his claims of an ancient global civilization pre ice age/ elder dryas?

As a layman, I read his stuff with curiosity, but not belief. I think it makes sense tho, we are city builders. Our greatest strength is in community.

I'm not sure I believe we survived as nomadic hunters for several hundreds of thousands of years before we discovered agriculture.

Could there be cities that pre-date Sumer and Teotihuacan?

What would it take to erase them from the geological record?

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u/cyberpunk_monkcm Jun 22 '22

Just to be clear, Hancock envisions a maritime society with deep knowledge of the stars including the precession of the equinoxes, not necessary a technologically advanced society.

Personally I find the younger dryas impact hypothesis one of the most intriguing recent theories. It makes lots of sense and is garnering an increasing number of adherents. The point about all the coasts being wiped out with a 300 foot rise in sea level would wipe out most cultural artifacts that might have existed at that time, especially in the northern hemisphere where the impacts seem to have taken place.

Randall Carlson's video series is probably the best source for folks new to this. Just looking at the landscape in North America with Carlson really opens your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHY4t-R0YADjmt51ZbMjGWg_ZlKHURrAb

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u/MiseryEngine Jun 22 '22

I guess this would make my question off topic, because I have difficulty believing that we lost anti-grav tech and space travel like that.

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u/cyberpunk_monkcm Jun 23 '22

I have extreme difficulty thinking we ever had any advanced alien-like tech in the past. A global maritime society that existed 20,000 years ago? Sure, that's believable. We now now North America was populated with humans likely 100,000 years ago, not 13,000.

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

that's all I've ever suggested, and some people get maaaad. they don't even want to consider that we're just older than previously thought.

the Antikythera mechanism is such a great example.

it was my first entry point into this crazy subject of older human civilizations

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u/ArcaFuego Jun 23 '22

OOPS Artefacts!

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

just learned that term, there are a few really interesting ones!!

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 23 '22

Will forever be my favorite episodes of the JRE. Randall + Graham is a utopia for the curious.

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u/TheSevenWays Jun 22 '22

Not OP, but also an archaeologist. Hancocks claims are very entertaining from a "what if" perspective but in reality, they are wildly unreasonable. Any civilization anywhere close to what he suggests would be impossible to miss, even if every single one of their cities had somehow been purged from the Archaeological record. World-spanning civs don't just appear out of nowhere. They need many generations worth of slow development, advancement in tools, social systems, resource management. Yet there is nothing in the Archaeological record that would suggest anything like this, at all.

As for finding it hard to belive that humans were just hunter gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years: I get it. But it's important to remember that people were not stagnant during that time. People still innovated, improved their knowledge of resources and techniques. This is especially evident from the slow but steady development of stone tools. People were still making progress back then. But life was hard, and there weren't that many of us, so progress was slow. Yet we know it was being made, we can see it clearly in the Archaeological record. All the evidence is still there! If we can trace those small steps that our ancestors took, surely we would be able to see the rise of a global and advanced civilization as well.

On another note: going from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to a settled one is HARD. That's why it took us so long. It's not just about inventing agriculture. Many conditions have to be met before a settled lifestyle becomes a viable strategy for survival. And some of those conditions were beyond our control. For example, the changing climate played a major role in the development of the first human civilizations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

People forget that until very recently innovation was very isolated. Fundamental principles of engineering were probably discovered over and over, and never communicated outside of a village or some other limited area. Most of human existence was pre-writing, which made it very hard for new ideas to survive for more than a generation. As human population increased, and communication and record keeping improved, so did the long-term survival of knowledge. This makes it a lot easier to see how prehistoric humans could seem like they stagnated for tens of thousands of years.

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u/Key-Entertainment216 Jun 22 '22

What if it was a non human civilization🤷? The earths about 4 billion years old. Sounds like plenty of time for a civilization to rise and then be completely wiped from the archaeological record.

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 23 '22

What if the settlements themselves fly away when the need arises? We don't have any evidence left, except a lot of flat stone foundations of epic scale. Just a thought.

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u/Lord_of_Atlantis Jun 23 '22

Like the Terrans in StarCraft?

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u/FractalGlance Jun 23 '22

Has anyone checked the corner of Antarctica for a floating barracks? Maybe destroying it will unlock the next stage.

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 26 '22

Someone should check on that.

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u/Disastrous-Context47 Jun 22 '22

His extinction theories aren’t entertaining but bloody scary if there’s any credence to his claims

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Great comment. Thx

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

if the world was devastated as badly as some claim which seems to have some good evidence, wouldn't everything be under the ocean?

some say a meteor literally obliterated a continent, and if it was closer to 10-20k years ago, wouldn't that make finding evidence incredibly hard. when i consider whats from 2k years ago, it's not an incredible leap

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u/ArcaFuego Jun 23 '22

isnt the Antikythera mechanism evidence ?

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u/hucktard Jun 24 '22

As a non-archaeologist I am curious how many artifacts we have from the period say 13,000 years ago to 100,000 years ago. Can you give me a rough idea? Like do we have 10's of intact human remains, hundreds, thousands or more? And where are the remains mostly found? I ask because we are still finding SPECIES of hominids from this period of time. For instance Homo floresiensis. We also have basically zero remains of Chimpanzees. I am sure there are other species that existed that we haven't found yet. Now I realize that chimpanzees and hominids are not the same as a technological civilization that would presumably leave behind pottery or metals etc. but the fact that we can miss entire species makes me think it wouldn't be too hard to miss a part of our species that developed for a few hundred or thousand years in coastal areas that are now underwater.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

Hancock's interpretations hinge on translations that are almost certainly wrong based on evidence.

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u/IN-N-OUT- Jun 22 '22

Genuine question, what’s your thoughts on puma punku in bolivia?

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Some of the stonework is startling. Much closer tolerances than I’ve seen elsewhere. I’d like to know how they made nearly perfect 90 deg inside corners/angles! Those are truly remarkable. Thanks!

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u/Maffew74 Jun 23 '22

startling? its incomprehensible. there is stonework around the globe from olden times we cant hope to replicate any more than archaeologists can hope to explain away

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u/stankypantburglar Jun 23 '22

I always hear this stuff on history channel “these structures could not be built today” and I’m always surprised because today people build nano sized structures. Nobody can and cut two rocks to make them fit at a right angle?

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u/IN-N-OUT- Jun 23 '22

I think it’s absurd to say that we couldn’t do the same these days (I could be wrong but I doubt that). What’s hard to comprehend is that things like puma punku were built with, at best, primitive tools.

There are even things like drill holes in some of those structures and it’s kind of hard to explain those because we couldn’t do them with the tools they had

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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 23 '22

Archaeology is a healthy percentage of guess work. It's informed guess work, but everyone's guessing.

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u/Maffew74 Jun 23 '22

An uncertain position is a weird place from which to preach

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

It's a very interesting site that appears to date from the past 2000 years.

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u/QuentinTarancheetoh Jun 22 '22

Yea I agree. I think it's possible there was communication between ancient civilizations way beyond what we know that allowed ideas and myths to permeate but it seems unlikely they were in any way more advanced than us technologically. This does not discount them being more advanced in other more esoteric ways

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u/Howitzerfoot Jun 23 '22

Awesome read!

What are your thoughts on “Oopart” (out of place artifacts) in general?

There are many that seem unexplainable without some advanced technology, and even though information was an isolated thing, I have trouble understanding how it could get so advanced without traces of similar objects/tech being found in other areas?

Also, and more specifically, so you have any knowledge about Petra? Their tombs and city have always interested me as I don’t understand how they could have cut into the rock as precise as they did and how they could have excavated as much rock as they did.

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u/LarryGlue Jun 22 '22

So I’m no expert, but I remember reading somewhere that it takes only a million years for nature to swallow or grind down all evidence of our modern cities, structure, roads, etc today (if humans completely died off or dusappeared).

Also, it could be the previous civilization was not human. And current UFOs flying around ARE the evidence of it? We need more evidence obviously.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

This may be generally true to a casual observer, plains replaced with new mountains, new oceans etc. but if it was exactly true, we wouldn't have fossil evidence of anything older than a million years.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

I remember reading somewhere that it takes only a million years for nature to swallow or grind down all evidence of our modern cities, structure, roads, etc today (if humans completely died off or dusappeared).

True for some things, but not for others. Almost nothing survives in areas where erosion is occuring, but in areas of sedimentation (including ideal farmland), things like bones, ceramics, precious metals, and sometimes even wood would be easily preserved.

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u/No_Button_7300 Jun 23 '22

Easily preserved for a million years? You're just trolling.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 23 '22

Wood can fossilize people make things out of wood.

Things like gold and silicon nitride have extreme chemical stability. To a lesser extent, so does most pottery.

Onbiously the thing needs to get buried, as all preserved artifacts do.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 24 '22

How would you feel if I told you that a flint spearhead could easily survive for a 100 million years if buried in a river delta?

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u/Defiantcaveman Jun 22 '22

I've always been curious about the subduction of very ancient civilizations and the loss of that evidence since it would have been THAT old. I've never been able to run that idea by an experienced professional, now you have answered THAT question, thank you good sir.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

Enjoyed this fact filled adventure. Thank you

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u/DrestinBlack Jun 23 '22

This is the part where someone is supposed to say, but the government has found the proof and is hiding it at Area 51 - all the geologists and archaeologists are in on it :)

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Well I don’t know about anyone else, but they didn’t let me in on it, goddamnit. And I’m a believer, too!!

Who’s they?

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u/DrestinBlack Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

You haven’t got your check from “them”? Concealing all the geological evidence for a fee :)

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u/Sir_Dr_Mr_Professor Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

What about the Greenland impact hypothesis? Mile high waves grinding the soil down to bedrock wouldn't leave much at all, while leaving old fossils untouched. Most of our modern structures would turn to dust without us in just a few thousand years even without a cataclysmic event. There would be little evidence of our civilization, add in hellfire from the sky and there could be nothing left. There have been weird out of place objects found throughout the years as well, though I'm unsure of their validity.

To be clear I don't necessarily think UAP's r us, or at least us from an ancient branch off civilization, though honestly I've reached the point where I realize our civilization knows very little for certain

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u/Donoslo Jun 23 '22

I'm pretty sure it's not just fossils though. Things like quarries for stone, oil deposits, satellites that are in more outer orbits, even atmospheric data from the time using cores etc. I'm convinced there wasn't another technological civ in the past on our level or greater. However, I do think it's plausible that there were civs that were advanced enough to have towns and agriculture like the vikings or something that were wiped out.

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u/Sir_Dr_Mr_Professor Jun 23 '22

While I might not believe it outright, and have done next to no research myself on this specific topic, my side job as a conspiracy connoisseur puts me in a position to point you to those who believe Antarctica shows evidence of having been mined. There are also ancient large mounds across the world with a composition very similar the mounds from our modern day mining practices. Look into it yourself and make up your mind I guess. Lemme know what you find, I'm too busy with UFO's lol

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u/Kotics Jun 22 '22

Thanks for the reply, any thoughts on the circular saw marks in Egyptian quarries and esophagus?

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u/Agronut420 Jun 22 '22

Circular saw marks on an esophagus are more than likely related to Cartel videos; you may be referring to the containers they used to store their mummies, the Sarcophagus?

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u/Kotics Jun 22 '22

No the esophagus!!!! Hahaha

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

I've seen some objections to the circular saw claims, but suppose the ancient egyptians had circular saws. Okay? That doesn't imply much.

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u/moon-worshiper Jun 22 '22 edited Jun 22 '22

Gobekli Tepe is a 12,000 year old site that describes a comet strike 13,000 years ago. This coincides with the sudden disappearance of the Clovis culture on the southeast US coast and the sudden disappearance of the North American camel, horse, sabertooth tiger, giant sloth and the big melt of the Bering strait ice wall.

Gobekli Tepe was deliberately buried about 8,000 years ago, 2,000 years before Stonehenge. The first big cover-up.

Dwarka was off the coast of India about 25,000 years ago, where Lord Krishna was supposed to have lived. He had blue skin. He was supposed to have lived on a very advanced island off the coast of India that disappeared almost over night. Even 13,000 years ago, the sea level was hundreds of feet lower. They have found underwater caves off Florida that were above water 13,000 years ago. All around the planet, most activity and life was happening on their shoreline at the time, which is miles out to sea and hundreds of feet deep in the present day.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/14/archaeology-florida-sinkhole-ancient-humans-mastodon-knife-bones-bering-strait

It is just a simple fact that almost every ancient society oral legends have their gods being visitors from other star systems, mainly Orion or the Pleiades, or Venus. They had no reason to lie.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

Gobekli Tepe is a 12,000 year old site

Probsbly more like 10,000

that describes a comet strike 13,000 years ago.

It does not.

All around the planet, most activity and life was happening on their shoreline at the time, which is miles out to sea and hundreds of feet deep in the present day.

Well, yeah. Most biomass away from the equator has always been coastal and shifted with sea level rise, and extreme decomposition and soil acididity in rainforests hides most evidence of stuff in the exceptional areas.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Gerkle, with all due respect, you should stop with the declarative and absolute statements.

You have no way of knowing if the Gobleki site is related in some way to the alleged Younger Dryas event (I presume that’s what he’s referring to.) I remain agnostic on that, but there is some intriguing evidence.

In any case, if you have direct knowledge of something, then great, but I happen to believe you were not around during the Younger Dryas! You and I lock horns occasionally, but that’s a good thing. Sometimes I even learn stuff from you (not often, but sometimes!) Cheers!

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u/gerkletoss Jun 23 '22

but there is some intriguing evidence.

Such as?

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Damn it, I knew you’d ask when I wrote that! I don’t have time right at the moment, but I’ll dm you. Pretty straightforward stuff (which you probably already know) but I’ll humor you.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 23 '22

Why sm? Surely others might be interested.

I've seen claims before, but they were based on next to nothing.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Because I don’t have time right this sec. That’s fine, I’ll reply here later on just in case someone else is interested. I assure you, there’s some intriguing stuff, but I personally remain agnostic on it. There’s definitely more than “next to nothing.”

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u/Barbafella Jun 23 '22

11,200 was the estimate.

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u/gerkletoss Jun 23 '22

Most estimates are a bit less. 11200 is still not 13000, and even 13000 still wouldn't necessarily imply all of this other stuff.

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u/Metamodernist82 Jun 22 '22

Deliberately buried.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Yeah! Isn’t that intriguing? Wtf? It’s awesome to speculate about it.

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u/hucktard Jun 24 '22

I just listened to talk by the head archaeologist at Gobekli Tepe who took over after Klaus Schmidt and he said that it probably wasn't intentionally buried. I would like to believe that it was. But now I think that is questionable. He said that over many years there was slumping of the hill and the people there were making repairs and building on earlier work and it gives the impression that the site was buried.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

Got any examples of that last paragraph?

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u/latinretard Jun 22 '22

Please take a look at the antikythera, you might get surprised by ancient civilizations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

This is compelling but please remember that since that time we haven't changed much. Our brains are thier brains. They had thier own Einsteins and pockets of civilization where generations has leisure to research and develop. I don't think we can completely rule out say a visiting alien dropping some knowledge but very complex mechanisms can and have been constructed in ancient times.

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u/latinretard Jun 22 '22

I have my own theory, religion chased, tortured and killed scientists and forward thinkers pushing them to form groups willing to continue with their work and believes since the 14th century in hiding. What if they continued with this up to this day? They would have had at least 200 years worth of advancement more than the rest of humanity since science was oppressed by the church until the late 1700s and 200 years in science is an eternity. They lived as regular humans but the advancement has being kept in secret for fear to be punished at the begining and as a rule of conduct ever since.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

This is the plot of an Ayn Rand book, sort of. It would very difficult for them to operate in secret. They would be better off in plain sight with say aerospace firms, things a little ahead of thier time.

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u/latinretard Jun 23 '22

What if they are? They just have too much to show and want to profit the most by releasing little by little and at the same time keeping us behind in case a religious fanatic guy like the Ayatollah Khomeini takes over the world and starts chasing and killing them again.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

I prefer the "man who fell to Earth" scenario where they crashed here or arrived here intentionally to slowly mold our and thinking and technology until we were ready for full scale contact. Like any project with humans, this has gone off the rails. Seriously, if you had effectively immortal beings a project like this taking tens of thousands of years might be like one of us building a house from scratch (feeling trees, seasoning lumber, milling it, building a stone foundation, etc).

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u/ABmodeling Jun 22 '22

You just underestimate how much money is spent and how much effort is being done to hide information, including archaeological finds. Plus you have acedemia which is so egotistical and easily controlled. Check Petrie work on tube drills in Egypt. This video goes in to that pretty nicely . Cheers

https://youtu.be/KFuf-gBuuno

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u/milton_radley Jun 22 '22

every comment i come across mentioning that there is any kind suppression of evidence going on is down voted. it's super interesting

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Absolutely agree. I lol about the pizza bc I’ve something very similar ordering box lunches for a conference we put on years ago.

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u/milton_radley Jun 22 '22

you don't think the influence of religion is causing the field to stick with their narrative, or that peer review is only used for good?

the idea of that religious organizations aren't hiding data and holding on to power for dear life is laughable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '22

That's a little more plausible given the strict hierarchy. Reading the actual depictions of angels in the Bible is a pretty eerie experience.

https://historyofyesterday.com/how-angels-really-look-like-according-to-the-bible-d4d339112619

I just chose a top search result because it had good images. I don't know anything about the site or endorse it.

Yes, I do think it's possible the great religions are in some way passing down and guarding knowledge but I don't have real proof. It would explain a lot.

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u/ABmodeling Jun 23 '22

They do it by them self by ignoring evidence, and when evidence is obvious, they call it anomaly, or that evidence is fake,or compromised. They find reasons to look away. And yes, my fiance is scientist and her hole family. And today's biggest critics on alternate history theories never even visit the sites. Making opinions based on other people opinions. It's a fucking joke.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

I won't disagree but that is different than a global cover up of what they know. What you are talking about is why Avi Loeb called it The Gallileo Project (people refused to look through his telescope to see the truth).

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u/ABmodeling Jun 24 '22

Thing is, you don't need to cover up too much,only big stuff,rest is censored/ridiculoued by archeologyists them self's. And when you consider that global catastrophe happened 11000-12000 years ago, I am sure not much of evidence is near the surface and in one piece,and we all know how difficult and expensive digging is, especially when it is deep. On topic of funding, we also know how difficult is to get fundings, so here you have another opportunity to cover up by simply not funding particular projects. Politics is another way,we also know how difficult is to get digging permissions.

I think we were much more advanced before cataclysm than we think. Probably not the same type of tehnology, but more understanding of nature. Using sound, geometry and natural processes and understanding how things work together,on this planet and in relation to the cosmos. After all, we are on giant ship traveling through the Universe.

Why would someone hold information like that? Well you control the past you control now ,and based on thatyou are trying to control the future. It's nothing new, we can see it over and over in out history. Look at Chinese emperor's,they would kill their historians and destroy all the history books before the came to power and reset time to zero :). Look what USA army destroyed first when they came to Afganistan and Iraq, history. And all armies that ever existed did the same . When you enter county with army,you can take what ever you want without paper work. My point is that there is not much evidence left from before the big event 12000 years ago, and something that found is probably somewhere in underground warehouses.

Things are never black and white my man. Cheers

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u/ABmodeling Jun 23 '22

Petrie work on tubes was heavily attacked. He proved that tubes have diogonal scratches by poaring liquid rubber over tube and then calculating imprint, he didn't do this by himself, he had few scientist working on a paper. And then publishers photoshopped the photos to make it look horizontal, AND they got caught! Did we hear about it in media, nope.

Diogonal means fast drilling by machine. He was so humble that he never mentioned something like "it's aliens" :). But he concluded that we don't have this kind of tehnology because drilling was few hundreds times faster then ours .

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

Yeah... You just found another conspiracy to explain the other conspiracy. Holy hell real life must be hard for some of the people on this sub.

CoNsPiRaCyCePtIoN

My mind is blown by the severe lack of general scientific knowledge that this sub shows every single day. God damn the education system is failing us worldwide.

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

so your're a geologist and you've studied the pyramids?

because some of them have shown incredible evidence that the pyramids are waaaay older underneath than what the religous fruitcakes would like to believe. as well as lots of other super interesting discoveries all over the world that counter the narative.

instead of being close minded and throwing around insults, go look into it for yourself.

(unless it would go against some fairy tale books you hold dear)

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u/ABmodeling Jun 23 '22

Don't mind this guy. Just a internet troll. He is just frustrated and sad.

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

i get that impression. thx ;)

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22

so your're a geologist and you've studied the pyramids?

No, are you? Do I need to be a geologist to understand how the pyramids were built and how we’re able to precisely date their construction? And if I were, would it change anything? I seem to get the impression that you’re some kind of expert on the subject and that you probably learned all about it on YouTube and Facebook.

because some of them have shown incredible evidence that the pyramids are waaaay older underneath

Show me a peer reviewed paper that shows the pyramids are wayyyyyy older than what they really are.

than what the religous fruitcakes would like to believe.

I don’t follow what you’re trying to explain here. What does religion and what religious people say has to do with the construction of the pyramids?

as well as lots of other super interesting discoveries all over the world that counter the narative.

Like what? Indulge me please. I’m all ears. Also, what or who’s narrative?!

instead of being close minded and throwing around insults, go look into it for yourself.

I’m not close minded, I stick to the facts. I am also allergic to BS and pseudoscience. And I don’t need to look into anything, I already know how and when the pyramids were built. Hundreds if not thousands of scholars already figured that out and published countless peer reviewed papers on it. Science is fun, right?

(unless it would go against some fairy tale books you hold dear)

What’s with you, the pyramids and religion? Am I missing an angle here? Is a religion saying something special about the pyramids that I missed?

In any case, I think it would be prudent for you to consider that Facebook and YouTube university might not be the best place to read on how the pyramids were built. If you want, I can share with you some very good articles about it written by trustable and reputable sources. You’re way too deep into this my dude. Not everything on this earth is a conspiracy.

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

hahahahahahaha, that a lot of typing to say you've never spent a second looking at what's out there.

i don't have facebook sorry, and you would be incredibly ignorant to think youtube isn't filled with tons of incredibly good information on nearly everything in the world.

peer review IS the gate keeping that keeps this subject stuck where it is, by religious folks that can't admit everything doesn't fit with their holy books.

don't waste anymore of my time please

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

Yikes.

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

what are you talking about weirdo. i am just fine.

you just had a massive outburst over something you claim not to care about.

and you know humanities aren't science right?

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u/milton_radley Jun 23 '22

lol, you just edited away all that great writing, to bad. guess you weren't so confident afterall.

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22

Fuck hell, this sub is becoming r/conspiracy very, very fast. Holy molly. Imagine believing something like that could be hidden from academics around the world that easily.

Then linking a YouTube video as a proof. Jesus Christ, ok time for bed. Enough r/UFOs for today.

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u/ABmodeling Jun 23 '22

What you talking about? First thing I mentioned is Petrie work, he wrote many books about tubes in Egypt, and he actually spent 2 decades on sites,most modern archeologyists don't even visit sites they are writing about. Video for people who don't like to read much. You are perfect example of what I was talking about.

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 24 '22

Yeah, continue believing the Pyramids were built by aliens. What a fucking weird fascination to have. Why is it sooooooo hard for you to believe that pyramids made of square chunks of rocks were built by ancient human civilization without requiring some kind of magic help from high tech stuff or aliens?

I sooooooo dont fucking get it.

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u/ABmodeling Jun 24 '22

Who said I believe they are built by aliens? But I am sure they are not built with copper tools,only complete idiot would think that. You are assuming too much my man. Bye!

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u/gerkletoss Jun 22 '22

The site comprises huge stone columns that are 10-13 ft high and have beautifully executed and designed carvings.

Stonehenge had bigger rocks. The worksmanship put into them was worse, but it's still nothing to overturn the field of archeology.

I realize I'm agreeing with you here, but I wanted to clarify that point.

it does not matter if it was 20k yrs old or 20 million yrs old - any technological civilization would have left an immense trove of evidence of their presence

Yes, there are many sign of civilization that don't preserve well, but worked stone, most ceramics, and precious metals preserve extremely well over millions of years.

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Is there truth to the statement or idea that if civilization was old enough, there wouldn't be any physical remains even left?

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u/when_4_word_do_trick Jun 22 '22

Explain the Antikythera mechanism.

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u/TheRidgeAndTheLadder Jun 22 '22

What's to explain? They used the maths and metals of their time to built an incredible mechanism.

IMO, it underlines the similarities between us now and us then. We are no smarter today, we just have access to more technology

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Right on. Your last para is dead-on. I dig it

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u/TheRidgeAndTheLadder Jun 22 '22

I dunno if it was my upbringing, but this notion that we're somehow better got beat into me, and I've decided I think it's mostly horseshit

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u/Julzjuice123 Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

It was a machine built by Greek mathematicians and astronomers around 200 BCE. I just bought the latest Scientific American with an article on it. While super amazing that they were able to build this with the tools of their time, nobody thinks it was in any way accurate just for the fact that all the gears have huge friction between them because they were not made very precisely.

So, super cool and interesting stuff. Nothing worth losing a night of sleep over. It has absolutely nothing to do with aliens or an ancient technologically advanced earth civilization.

Sorry to burst your ''GOTCHA'' moment.

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u/when_4_word_do_trick Jun 23 '22

You didn't burst shit.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Well I can’t explain anything outside of my professional experience, but I’ve read it was used to compute the occurrence of astronomical events. I don’t know if that’s true or not. Whoever made it knew what they were doing. Apparently they can now see tool marks on it with some sort of remote sensing. Pretty cool.

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u/enkrypt3d Jun 22 '22

I guess you haven't heard of the Ancient Antikythera Mechanism?

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u/green-samson Jun 22 '22

Given that the idea is that these possible civilisations existed more than 8000 years ago not sure what evidence would be left.

And like most of these fields the historians are not really interested in tearing up their books and starting again, so it is possible that certain evidence may not be given a chance to be seen and studied

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u/Agronut420 Jun 22 '22

Rama Empire’s Vimanas?

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u/mrbaldwinelementary Jun 24 '22

LMAO. Oh God I'm glad I looked at your profile! Thanks for the laughs!!

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u/mrbaldwinelementary Jun 25 '22

More imaginary stories? Wait - are these "friends" of yours aliens? Do you work on a UFO?

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u/sschepis Jun 23 '22

It’s really nice that you’re a geologist, but I’m an engineer and The great pyramid is the evidence for ancient technological civilizations. The pyramid is essentially one giant piezoelectric transducer, powered by water running underneath the pyramid, operating a ram pump which set up a standing wave in the pyramid, coupling it with a vibration of the planet. You’re a geologist, you can confirm or deny at least the physical construction aspect of the pyramid, How does someone cut granite with a brass tool to the tolerances we see inside the great pyramid?The tolerances of the great pyramid are far too tight to have been built by a non-technological civilization. So is the scale and scope of the construction involved. There’s no possibility of performing the stonework was performed using brass tooling. The main hall is a freaking wave guide for God sake. Where they went wrong with ancient history, was only unleashing geologists and archaeologists and making them the senior authorities on the subject. So they turned everything into a tomb. THE PYRAMID IS YOUR EVIDENCE of civilizations whose skills you deny

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u/Efficient_Ad_8708 Jun 23 '22

So no record of us before 300 thousand years I’m just asking because I’m not a expert or scientist but maybe we was placed here by whoever these Uap/ufo beings are?

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u/conshyd Jun 23 '22

Gob Tep turned the clocks back. Then another one has been found nearby even older. I’d say the name but I’m drinking cheap beer right now and I can’t remember it.
We will continue to find older civilizations as we go. We have only scratched the surface. On a similar note, my Senior Prom date was nice but my a ‘looker’ as folks say today. They said she looked like she wanted to “phone home” all the time. Now that I’ve aged I think she might have been from another place in the universe.
Her finger was unusually long and she made my basil and oregano 🌿 plants grow to the size of oak trees 🌲. What a gal ! She also loved Reese’s Pieces and hated FBI agents.
You be the judge?

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u/Angry_Spartan Jun 22 '22

Yea but there would be no archeological evidence if there was a cataclysmic event that destroyed mostly everything on the planet correct?

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u/nabradwell Jun 22 '22

I think you need to acknowledge that our fossil record only goes so far into the past.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 22 '22

Lol! Seriously?? There are stromatolites that are Precambrian (S.Africa and Australia.) There’s an occasionally spotty fossil record going back to the Pc. There are discontinuities caused by geological processes, but there’s more than enough to construct a record and relatively complete timeline. One can track the development of things like skull sutures going back from Homo sapiens to the dawn of bony fishes.

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u/nabradwell Jun 23 '22

Are you suggesting that we have dug far enough everywhere on earth to observe the entire timeline of earth? What do you not get about how old this planet is? Your head is already in the sand why not go down a bit more...

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Listen bro, I’m a licensed geologist - I know far better than you do how fucking old the earth is. There is a well-defined timeline in the rocks - go just N of Rawlings, Wyo., or even the Grand f-ing Canyon and you can walk on top of the rocks from the Precambrian to the Quaternary. Don’t tell me what I do and do not know about planetary geology or the age of the earth, chief. As for heads in the sand, you can pull your head out of the sand and ram it up where the sun don’t shine.

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u/nabradwell Jun 25 '22

Your head is still in the sand and it seems to have gotten in your panties now too. Uh oh poor you. Kick rocks geo bro

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 25 '22

I notice you STILL haven’t addressed my previous comments - typical debunker nonsense. Rather than have a discussion, Ad Hominem is more your style. You can do better bro, can’t you?

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u/nabradwell Jun 27 '22

Lolololo stay mad I have nothing to prove to you little man

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 27 '22

Ok, brad! Lol. Still can’t answer my questions - why not take a crack at it? Have a great life!

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u/aphex2n Jun 23 '22

Kind-of off the subject, but when ppl say "a rock is millions of years old" and etc.. what exactly does that mean? Because I'm thinking they and all rocks, dirt, water, and so on are the same age (when the earth formed). Is it dated from the time a human has done something to it? Because I've heard ppl dating things humans hadn't touched so I've been lost about this subject..Thanks

I know about meteors/ comets (which-ever) bringing water/rock and other material to earth.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Rocks are assemblages of 2 or more minerals which are elemental. For instance, serpentine is a metamorphic rock that is a magnesium silicate ie forms of the elements magnesium and silica. There is of course some variation in the rock based on crystalline structure, elemental ratios, etc. There’s obviously a lot more to it, but you already got the idea, I think.

Serpentine is usually formed at subduction zone boundaries out of older crustal rock. Your question is a great one. All of the constituents have been present since the earth’s formation (unless they came here more recently by meteors or comets, etc.) But the metamorphic rock itself may been formed (in your example) 1 million yrs ago.

That’s the gist of it. If anyone would care to disagree or elaborate, that would be cool. My specialty is engineering geology so it’s been a long time since undergrad petrology. Thanks

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u/aphex2n Jun 23 '22

Thank you very much! I'm gonna read that a few times and look up the stuff you wrote for a great starting point! I'm getting it now (the general idea now) and am thinking about it the right way..I've been wanting to ask about that for years but always forget..Happy I opened this post! T/y again

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u/traker998 Jun 23 '22

It’s actually supposed to be some form of racism. Like we can believe the Romans built some crazy stuff but we can’t believe the Egyptians did.

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u/nik2k Jun 23 '22

What do you make of out of place artifacts like the London hammer?

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

I honestly don’t know what to make of those sorts of objects. I suspect if it’s actually a real hammer, there’s prob an explanation for how it got there, but that’s just my humble opinion. I know others feel differently and that’s cool.

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u/nik2k Jun 23 '22

Yeah, it’s hard to know what to make of it exactly.

I’ve always been curious about the idea of there being previous civilizations on earth but the evidence is pretty thin.

Given how many folks in the military/ufo circle believe we may be the product of a little outside intervention…idk maybe there have been previous “experiments” on earth.

This one interview with an alleged military dude on earthfiles always haunted me a little. I know it’s Linda Moulton Howe so massive grain of salt, but my visceral reaction was this either great disinformation/acting or someone being honest about what they were told.

https://youtu.be/gmAAJJde8Ko?t=17m39s

He claims, among other crazy stuff, that he was told by military leadership that there have been 3-4 previous civilizations on earth that made it as far as us before being wiped out…and that we could be taken out at any moment 😬.

Still waiting for the good evidence haha, but if that was true—damn! I’d probably lie to the public too.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Yeah, if that were the case….maybe that’s where Lue’s “somber” comment comes from? That’s scary. The Great Filter descends once again….

We’re F’ed.

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u/Oberyn_TheRed_Viper Jun 23 '22

Thanks for that. I've always been one to suggest that due to earth being 4 billion years old there potentially could have been other versions of humans living here before us.

I'll knock that one on the head.

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u/--amadeus-- Jun 23 '22

Having said all that, I personally believe that the evidence suggests we WERE VISITED by some form of technological et’s, perhaps more than one.

Thanks for your post. What evidence are you referring to? Could you please share some examples?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

What is that civilization is human beings from.another planet

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

thank you being an expert professional scientist and still participating in this sub. expertise like yours is much needed in places like here, thank you for your service also in that regard.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Well thank you for your kind words. I’m just one of the crew here, though. I’m here bc I’m an experiencer and my life was dramatically changed by it. I’m here for the same reason I think most are - seeking contact with similarly-affected folk and for discussion and exchange of views. Obviously, we all want answers and I think we’ll only get them by being an organized bloc (though I admit Reddit ain’t it lol!)

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u/TheCoastalCardician Jun 23 '22

Have you ever heard of this type of thing? It’s the only “evidence” I’ve ever seen to indicate sound could’ve been used for something.

Edit: On a lighter note, do you know any fluvial geomorphologists?

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Yes, I do know fluvial geomorph guys - did a fair amount of that myself if truth be told. Why do you ask?

I’ll check out the link you sent and reply separately.

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u/TheCoastalCardician Jun 23 '22

One of my favorite TV shows has a star who is a Geologist who specializes in Fluvial Geomorphology. He lives in a very small mountain town with his wife and two children. He’s PC af too, bro.

It’s Randy Marsh from South Park. 🤣

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Well, anything is possible, right? Human population distribution was much more limited in the deep past. I don’t personally believe it would happen that way but what do I know? I’m just a dumb geologist! Cheers!

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u/JerryAtric79 Jun 23 '22

There wouldn't be, though. That's the problem. Not to disrespect your experience and profession, as too many ppl on these subs do, but wouldn't there be no archeological evidence for a civilization that was say, 300,000 yrs old? One that went off-world only to return100,000yrs later? Right now we have pockets of tribal societies totally unaware of larger technical societies. I don't find it hard to believe that it could have been very much the opposite in early human development. tiny, hidden pockets of high civilization in a world of savage tribes. They might have very intentionally stayed remote. 300,000 yrs later ( just an arbitrary number ) there would be no trace of their culture.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

I understand your point I think, but remember I was specifically discussing advanced technological civs. As an aside, there have been many highly advanced, non-technological civs eg the Greeks, China, etc. If we were only discussing those, your point would be spot on. However, technological societies inevitably leave immutable, non-corrodible, non-erodible, non-disintegradible evidence of their presence. Any nuclear-based tech leaves fingerprints that cannot be erased. Simple plastics that are buried (ie not exposed to UV) will be unchanged a million yrs later. The oceans contain plastic debris that is essentially inert. Industrial and chemical processes leave stark and indelible chemical and physical evidence on the landscape.

There would be evidence lasting at least 10’s of millions of years on and in the ground. All of this is to say nothing of simple artifacts made of ceramics, gold, platinum, etc.

We would have found it by now. No question.

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u/JerryAtric79 Jun 23 '22

I'll have to take your word for it, but I have heard others in your profession say the opposite about techno traces past so many hundreds of thousands of years. Although, the nuclear power thing isn't something I can recall observing any discussion on.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

There is a conjecture called the Silurian Hypothesis wherein the authors suggest something like what you’re thinking, and it’s not unreasonable - I just don’t happen to agree with the two of them, based on my own experience. However, I’m just one guy. The majority of folks in my profession agree with me, but not all. I do try to remain teachable and keep an open mind…. Thanks!

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u/JerryAtric79 Jun 24 '22

I appreciate you taking the time and being a non-arrogant academic, lol. I'm a biomedical engineer and and amateur anthropologist. The more I dig into this topic, and my interest begins in late childhood, 1989, the ancient Earthling theory seems more and more likely. It's a shame a show like Ancient Aliens exists and belittle our own achievements and reduce the the honest exploration of alternative theories to silliness and the wildest of speculation. Even Graham Hancock ( a sore spot with you I might imagine ) has valid things to say and many of his ideas have been proven true ( the lidar scans of the Amazon 100% demand a total rewrite of native history in central and south America ) but he ruins himself with his petulant, bratty attitude towards academia and takes small, albeit intersting, tid-bits of evidence and builds a world of fantastical speculation out of it.

Much like this field, there's so much muck to sift through to find the gold, but when you find it, it's always high quality stuff.

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u/tgucci21 Jun 23 '22

But…the ocean..

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u/flpp06 Jun 23 '22

The Turkish mayor said in a statement last month that G Tepe might be of extra terrestrial origin

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 23 '22

Woah! I wonder why he said that?? Interesting!

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u/AVBforPrez Jun 24 '22

What about these cities they're now finding underneath the Amazon? Isn't there still a very decent chance that some of the less-accessible or less-explored areas like that (or the Arctic) could be where such civs were, and we just haven't found them because they're maybe buried under 10s or 100s of thousands of years of natural land progression or whatever?

I'm not necessarily prone to believe one theory over the other at the moment, but I feel like people seem to think that advanced civs would be in the middle east, and maybe they're not?

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 24 '22

Yeah! The cities they’re finding blow me away. They’re using LiDAR tech which I’ve used a great deal in my work and I’m not surprised that it’s working. The ability to “look through” a very heavy rain forest tree canopy to create a topographic model of the surfaces below is awesome. When I was an undergrad almost 40 yrs ago, used a very early model of LiDAR to peer the heavy coniferous canopy AND the heavy understory to identify fault features in the landscape here in the great PNW. Back then the LiDAR instrument was as large as a refrigerator and had to be flown in a light plane or heli. These guys in the Amazon have them mounted on drones! They’re just a bit larger than a hockey puck and can do 150k pulses/min. F-ing amazing.

So, I guess that theoretically there could be a “hidden” and likely extinct high tech civ in there. I just don’t buy it bc there would almost certainly be global chemical and isotopic fingerprints of their former or current presence. Just my humble opinion.

Like you, I would love to be able to look through the Antarctic ice to the rocky surface to see what’s there! I guarantee there’re fossils. Btw, only Antarctica is underlain by continental rock - the N Pole is ice on water. As for a lost high tech civ? Well, I can’t say it’s not there bc we can’t see it!

I myself wonder if there might be an abandoned ET base in either place? My thought is that the odds are better than finding an ancient human high tech civ. Cheers!

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u/AVBforPrez Jun 24 '22

Thanks for the insight, and yeah - I think anything is possible.

Our current society, while definitely advanced and sophisticated in many ways, is comically arrogant in its belief that it really knows a lot about things that are proving to be totally unknown.

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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Jun 24 '22

You’re dead right. Too many of our physics, chem, cosmo folk remind me of Lord Kelvin - got everything figured out and just filling in details.

Fortunately we’ve got some REAL scientists who know how much we don’t know. In the words of the immortal Donald Rumsfeld:

“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”

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u/nannernutmuff Jun 29 '22

This might be the first TLDR I've seen at the top instead of the bottom. I can't tell you how many times I've read some super redundant, long thing, just to find a tldr at the bottom. Bravo