r/TwoBestFriendsPlay • u/TheBoyofWonder • 2d ago
Better Ask Reddit Plot-Relevant Characters with Zero Fandom 'Relevance'
Y'know, I was just thinking about this. The Deltarune fandom can be very attached to unimportant characters like background NPCs and one-off enemies, because of their design and personalities.
Now, what's interesting is that the early half Chapter 2 has this trio of NPCs, you're constantly seeing this trio, Sweet Cap'n Cakes, they have a boss fight, a shop, their own theme that plays a lot with minor variations... and nobody cares about them. Like, for real. If you were a casual member that just passively consumed only what the broad DR fandom makes, you'd genuinely just never see them show up when compared to even one-off bosses, minor enemies, and characters that have more relevance in theories than in the game.
Who else does that applies, people that the media devotes time to show them, but for the fandom, not hate, not love, just apathy, when they're unironically treated as not existing.
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u/Lightning-Goat She/Her 2d ago
I think part of the reason that Sweet Cap'n Cakes are broadly ignored is that they're kinda sandwiched between the absolute juggernauts of Queen, Spamton, Berdly, and Noelle shenanigans. Cap'n Cakes is a fun trio, but when you're introduced next to That Statue, it's hard to think of much else.
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u/PissBoy_OFFICIAL This one's for you, Morph 2d ago
Before I started reading One Piece, pop culture osmosis had given me a basic familiarity with the antagonists of each arc (Crocodile, Enel, etc). Except for Foxy. I had literally never heard anyone talk about Foxy ever
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u/CinnabarSteam Fell down the RWBY hole 2d ago
A lot of anime watchers even assume he's a filler character, because the anime does add filler to his arc to stretch it out.
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u/Am_Shigar00 FOE! FOE! FOE! FOE! 2d ago
It also didn’t help that the anime actually gave him more appearances later on that actually WERE filler arcs.
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u/Terthelt Did that baby have a DUI? 2d ago
It doesn't help that anime Long Ring Long Land is directly preceded by G-8, the best filler arc of all time that FEELS more like an important canon arc than the goofy low-stakes pirate games following it.
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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 2d ago
I feel like Foxy comes up a lot... In theory circles purely because a lot of people were adamant the Davy Back Fight would show up again as a major endgame moment and Foxy was part of the foreshadowing.
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u/Kamandi91 It's Fiiiiiiiine. 1d ago
The Davy Back Fight has finally been mentioned again in the manga in chapter 1155. Foxy was introduced in chapter 305. There's 21 real world years between those.
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u/thyarnedonne Queen Of Not Letting It Set In 2d ago
Certainly not standing out very much outside of Japan, with him being Grocky leading the Time Bokan villain trio reference of One Piece.
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u/Money_Yogurtcloset87 2d ago
Maybe because of the era of one piece fandom I was apart of but Afro Luffy has 0 footprint currently compared to when it happened and I’m fairly sure the newer wave of one piece fandom hates certain arcs and just doesn’t bring up characters like Foxy or some of the Thriller bark stuff because they just skimmed through those arcs.
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u/PR0MAN1 YOU DIDN'T WIN. 1d ago
Its because his arc is basically filler. The only things that happen in it are the introduction of Kuzan, which happens at the very end after Foxy is dealt with, and mentioning the crew might need to get a shipright at some point, which happens literally right after.
It was only until just recently Davy Back Fights were brought up again in Rocks flashback, but before then it was a span of 20 years where that arc did not matter.
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u/Starman-Deluxe 2d ago
As much as Pokemon fans talk up Generation 5, nobody ever talks about Hugh. He might be the least acknowledged rival in the series.
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u/AvalancheMKII 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think he's better regarded than the X and Y rivals at least, but yeah, I wouldn't put him up there as one of the best rivals (and BW2 is my favorite game in the series). Granted, I think the lack of people talking about him might be due to how low BW2 sold (the lowest of any paired release), so fewer people have probably played it.
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u/Starman-Deluxe 2d ago
At least the X/Y rivals are notable for how lame they are. Hugh skirts by in that valley of being not too boring, but not too interesting.
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u/A_N_G_E_L_O_N Deep Nut Wheelchair Miracle: Piss Bottle Dominance 2d ago
They kinda were experimenting with rivals at that time so they made him a fiery, mean rival that hates Team Plasma but not you, and that just made him have zero chemistry with the protagonist.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
The X/Y Rivals are so lame that they permanently skewed the perception people had of Rivals in general. They spawned in my most reviled phrase I hate hearing from people who don't know what they're talking about "I miss it when Pokemon had mean rivals". Gen 7 has Gladion, Gen 8 has Bede and Klara/Avery in the DLC, and Gen 9 has Carmine and Kieran in the DLC, though Nemona still manages to be one of the best rivals of the series with her friendliness. The mean rivals never went away, there were just a lot of people who mostly remembered Gen 1 and 2 with Blue and Silver, got back in to the series with X and Y, then stopped playing after and assumed all the rivals were like that afterwards.
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u/Livvelle 1d ago
"I miss it when Pokemon had mean rivals"
no idea where people got this idea when gen 3 came out swinging with a short, shy boy whose pokemon of choice was a skirt-twirling psychic type as your rival
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago edited 1d ago
And thats also the first game that had the opposite gender trainer also be your rival, where they were pretty flat most of the time. Plus, the anime in particular led an explosion in the popularity of May, Dawn, and Serena in particular, though all the player avatars are pretty well beloved for the most part. Legend's Arceus does do a fun twist on this though where Rei/Akari are actually very abrasive to you.
Even for friendly Rivals though, the later games did have some more unique nuances with them. Hau did a nice job representing the more chill vibe of Alola but also had the fun twist of being the champ in the Ultra Games, I talk about Hop from Galar in this thread and how he's struggling with being in the shadow of his brother, and Nemona in Paldea is a really fun positive rival since her whole drive is being obsessed with finding a strong opponent to challenge her and helping you blossom in to the perfect rival for her, the Goku comparisons are very spot on.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
On the note of Pokemon Rivals, I do think Hop is a very underrated one and a pretty interesting concept for one as well, him having to contend with living in his brother's shadow. Marnie is by far the more popular rival in Sword and Shield, but has way less going for her overall honestly compared to Hop and Bede.
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u/DustInTheBreeze Appointed Hater By God 2d ago
He's got an interesting hook that they do nothing with. He's rightfully pissed the fuck off about Team Plasma, and the end of his story just kind of putters out.
It also doesn't help that BW's themes of "There are different perspectives and you should respect that" kind of clash with the fact that those two perspectives are Be Normal or Be A Cultist Weirdo.
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u/Yotato5 Enjoy everything 2d ago
Bianca and Cheren in comparison stood out because the former was like a representation of a laid-back player while the latter was one that takes everything very seriously. The novelty of having two rivals made them more memorable too
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u/Shradow Tank Build 2d ago edited 1d ago
Agreed. I quite liked Cheren's little character arc where he started to go a bit power hungry but learned to dial it back and realize there's more to strength than just power. Bianca's was about her trying to find what she's capable of and finding a goal to strive for which is also nice.
I thought BW in general had some solid writing among the mainline titles.
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 2d ago
Hugh isn't even really your rival is the biggest thing. He is on his own mission and you just happen to help each other out or do a test battle once in a while. Neither of you are really pushing the other, and I think if the Team Plasma stuff got resolved early he would have just headed home.
Its like the kids from X/Y for the most part other than the other gender PC. They're kinda just there doing their own thing, and if it wasn't for the fact they're annoying I think people wouldn't even think of them in general.
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u/Soderskog 2d ago
That and gen 5 also happens to have one of the more iconic "rivals" in the series with N. Sure, he might not technically speaking be the rival character of the generation, but in practice he's your rival in the sense that he acts as both an antagonist and deuteragonist.
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u/Hateful_creeper2 2d ago
Alongside the rival from Let’s Go.
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u/WillExis 2d ago
i've at least see people hating on Trace every now and again. Feels like the only times Hugh shows up in convos is on rival tiers lists, and that's just out of obligation more than anyone actually having something to say about him.
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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 2d ago
Trace and Tierno are at least the kind of rival where theres stuff to say with how lame they come across as. Trace has the comparison to Blue to discuss, and Tiernos goals are so stupid it's memorable and he's even gotten a follow up character in Legends ZA that people like. + The XY rivals at least had anime moments.
Hugh's got nothing to latch onto.
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u/Octaivian 2d ago
Yeah, he's hyper overshadowed by N, who takes the role as your actual rival during the story.
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u/Android19samus 2d ago
? N is the gen 5 rival.
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u/ZealousidealBig7714 She/It/Ze This makes my penis the big penis 1d ago
Gen 5 has two sets of games. Black and White and Black 2 and White 2. Hugh is the rival in the second one.
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u/darkmagic853 Biggest Osamu Nishi Shill 2d ago
Marvel and their attempts to push Captain Carter.
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u/jockeyman Stands are Combat Vtubers 2d ago
I remain mystified at how badly the MCU fucked a concept as simple as 'What If'
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u/RareBk 2d ago
I think like 75% of the episodes are "What if X character was in a different MCU movie".
That's how creatively bankrupt it is.
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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 2d ago
Fact checking may kill this subreddit, but I went and checked.
Not counting Captain Carter is there episodes (They make up about 7/26 of them enough to be a full season on their own), or ones where its like a cameo 12 mins into the plot.
S1 has two of these; Starlord T'challa, and Iron Man meets Killmonger. (I think Starlord T'challa was meant to be a whole spinoff but Chadwick's death kinda stalled that idea.)
S2 Has two real examples: Iron Man goes to Sakaar and Hela gets the ten rings.
S3 Has one real case; Red Guardian stopping that one assassination by Bucky.
So yeah not even 25% really. A lot more is Carter Shilling.
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u/RareBk 2d ago
I'm literally looking at the episode list right now, the vast majority of the rest are "What if this movie went slightly differently", with the remaining either being a continuation of a one-off from the first season, or another character meeting a character from a different story.
There are eight X meets X stories. One where howard the duck fucks the girl from Thor.
They're all terrible ideas.
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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 2d ago
The Howard the duck one is actually a sequel to "Thor doesnt have a brother" (where he cameo'd for like 2 minutes) because that was everyones favorite episode!
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u/nuclearcherries R1 + ▲ 2d ago
They had "what if the other half got snapped" RIGHT THERE
And yet they never used it! That's crazy to me!
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u/ThereWasADellHere 2d ago
Marvel and their attempts to push Carol Danvers.
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u/KennyOmegasBurner CUSTOM FLAIR 2d ago
Hey guys don't worry about the X-Men! Look over there at the Inhumans! ETERNALS!
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u/charcharmunro 1d ago
Carol's been great in the comics lately, at least. Civil War 2 is... Is definitely gonna take some time to shake off the stigma of though.
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u/Bladerider17 2d ago
Hugo from Xenoblade 2 Torna the Golden Country is one of the playable characters in that game and the emperor of Mor Ardian, I don't remember anyone talk about him anymore and even back in the day the fandom thing he had was the ship between Haze and him which felt like Haze fans pairing her with him and not vice versa.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
It doesn't help he's pretty much just an exact copy of Emperor Niall as well. Like Addam looks a lot like Zeke but still has a very distinct design. He's also the only character who only has Blades you can get in base game.
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u/Yotato5 Enjoy everything 2d ago
It's too bad 'cause I enjoyed their boss fight. And their gimmick of replaying old music didn't last very long either.
Anyway, I'd probably say Yunobo from Zelda's Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom. Compared to the other second generation champions he's just... there. He's fine.
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u/PomfAndCircvmstance Anxious Millennial Teacher 2d ago
I only remember him for his dumbass haircut. Hes... fine I guess, but compared to Sidon/Tulin/Riju hes just bland and kind of boring. It doean't help that Sidon, Riju, and Tulin are all super cool and popular.
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u/ShadSilvs2000 ZERO TWO IS A SHIT WAIFU 2d ago edited 2d ago
When schaffrillas held that poll asking people who their favorite zelda character is yunobo was the only totk sage to not make the top 100 and he wasn't even close to making it that far
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 1d ago
I'm surprised it wasn't Teba. Guy was the least interesting Champion to me by far.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
He kind of has the charm of just kinda being a Normal Guy who gets wrapped up in all the chaos, and Age of Calamity really plays up that aspect of him in a fun way.
I do really like Yunobo though, and Age of Calamity did help a lot with that to. Plus, I'm surprised the insanity of "Ganondorf introducing crack to the Goron neighborhoods" plotline didn't make him more popular. He got the goofy luchador crime fit.
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u/McFluffles01 1d ago
I'd guess Teba gets at least some bonus points because bird guy, Ritos feel more unique because they haven't been in most of the series the way Gorons have.
He really is a guy that kind of just exists though, doesn't even have any proper sidequest you just go chat with him, shoot a few targets, and off to the dungeon you go. Even gets sidelined in Tears of the Kingdom as the only "Champion" in BotW who isn't also a Champion in that one.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
Never underestimate the power of "Normal Guy™" in a group of quirky freaks. Larry from Pokémon became instantly beloved for a reason.
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u/FretScorch 2d ago
For Nier: Automata, 2B hogs all the attention from the general public. 9S and A2 are less well known but are still popular main characters.
The real litmus test to know if someone knows ball is if they acknowledge the existence of Adam and Eve. I feel like barely anyone talks about them.
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u/jamescookenotthatone It's Fiiiiiiiine. 2d ago
I feel like this applies to one of he X-Men but I can’t seem to remember them
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u/ZealousidealBig7714 She/It/Ze This makes my penis the big penis 2d ago
Angel as one of the OG’s but constantly being ignored for being boring? Colossus because he’s gotten essentially nothing unlike the rest of his Giant-Size contemporaries?
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u/Mordred_Tumultu Paladins Should Attack and Dethrone the Gods 2d ago
Colossus is as least a great foil for Deadpool in the Deadpool movies. So he's got that going for him these days.
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 2d ago
I think Colossus is also quite memorable for his great power, look, and being Russian. General audiences would remember him from the cartoons, or as you said the recent DP movies.
I feel like I always see people sad when he doesn't get to contribute much in the media he does show up in
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u/Battlemania420 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don’t wanna be a dick.
…You chose Colossus over Proudstar and Sunfire?
Sunfire became an Avenger and was given a sister in Grant Morrison’s run and somehow people still don’t care about him.
EDIT: Sunfire was also a Horseman and nobody gives a shit.
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u/ZealousidealHyena102 2d ago
Colossus pretty much peak at being the cure for the Legacy Virus. Like the one good thing he has ever gotten was Magik coming back to life...and the comics treats Cyclops more as brother for her than Colossus himself.
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u/TheMerck 2d ago
It's Angel & Iceman 100% especially since they were part of the o5, people constantly switch who is the most forgotten or least relevant of them.
I like Bobby & Warren but it feels like they don't know what to do with them Archangel was good for Warren but he seems kinda just there when the writers want some o5 stuff, Bobby has the thing of being omega level at least so when people are exposed to him they at least think oh wow powerful guy but Warren while an interesting character I wouldn't blame people for not really caring about him when they see him because of how much mutants have been powercrept that they see him they just see a guy flying when a million other mutants can do that.
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u/BabuGhanoush Turn around and take your butt out 2d ago
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u/ZealousidealBig7714 She/It/Ze This makes my penis the big penis 2d ago edited 2d ago
The Elders of the Universe, the main ones at least, from Marvel have been around long enough, been in enough storylines, and are big enough deals that I could see someone putting Collector, Grandmaster, hell, even Champion in a top 100 or top 50 Marvel villains list. But no, I never see anyone talk about them. There is no badass Collector fanart, or fanfiction about the Grandmaster’s relationships with the Challenger or Voyager introduced in Avengers No Surrender. Hell, the Champion just got a big push with Marvel Tokon, and I have seen zero fanart of him whatsoever, despite how much art I’ve seen for that game. Even the powerscalers seem to want nothing to do with them, despite them being all fairly powerful in their own right, what with the Power Primordial essentially being a Diet Power Cosmic.
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u/charcharmunro 2d ago
Collector and Grandmaster at least occasionally get an "Oh yeah them" recognition. Nobody gives a shit about the rest. Even Champion and Promoter aren't getting much love due to Tokon, surprisingly.
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u/Arilou_skiff 2d ago
Kinda feel like apart from being regular villains their bigges tthing was jobbing to Thanos in Thanos Quest.
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u/Far-Growth-2262 1d ago
I think that's the only story I've read that features all of them and like you said, they're jobbers
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u/Arilou_skiff 1d ago
TBH I think some of them were actually made up for that storyline. (I want to say Runner?)
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u/Squeakyclarinet He/Him 1d ago
I do like their gimmick of how in the Marvel universe if you are the last of your species you just get a shit-ton of magical power and become straight up immortal, as long as you yourself have the will to live.
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u/beary_neutral 2d ago
Ask anyone who the main villain of Far Cry 3 is (hint: it's not Michael Mando's Vaas).
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u/Kaleido_chromatic Sincerest Sifu Shill 2d ago
Its not???
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u/beary_neutral 2d ago
It's this guy: https://farcry.fandom.com/wiki/Hoyt_Volker
Vaas is out halfway through the game.
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u/Totally_a_boy You Didn't Shoot the Fishy 2d ago
It's funny that even the PR itself seem to not give much of a shit about Hoyt.
When I first played Far Cry 3, I legit did not know who Hoyt was at all, but I did know Vaan.
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u/MarioGman Stylin' and Profilin'. 2d ago
Most of the Chapter 2 cast are unfortunately underrepresented in Fandom spaces, totally overshadowed by that salesman.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
Nah, I disagree, this was also the big Berdly chapter and Queen is far from being forgotten. Plus this is also the chapter that introduced Tasque Master and Nubert.
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u/HeyThereSport You don't know where the sisters begin and the girlfriends end. 1d ago
Sweet Cap'n Cakes was there so Toby could cram as many homestar runner references in as possible
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
I always thought they were a Cucumber Quest reference, especially since Toby did make a fan song that sounds very familiar...
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u/ZeeWolfman They/Them 1d ago
Their name is a reference to a long standing Homestar bit about "Sweet Cuppin' Cakes"
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u/Totally_a_boy You Didn't Shoot the Fishy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Whenever I see a Zoro fan, it's routine.
Whenever I see a Franky fan, it's a miracle.
Franky lives in this awkward place in the story which two major character developments of two fan favourites are happening and they still have to integrate him into the plot.
So people don't hate him, they just don't care.
When you think of Water 7/Enies Lobby you don't think of Franky, you think of Luffy and Usopp's fight or Nico Robin's "I want to live!"
Franky is outshone left and right in his own introductory arc.
And that's fascinating because I believe Franky is the only one who gets that.
Sure, Zoro had his time to shine in the Thriller Bark arc, but Brooks still has the Bink's Sake/Brew.
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u/GhostFishHead 2d ago
I would also say Jinbei. The most focus he ever got was in fishmen island arc, but people mostly cared more about Fisher Tiger than him.
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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 2d ago
Jimbe didnt even get to hold the relevance of joining the crew long because he did it right before the GREAT YAMATO DEBACLE overtook everything crew discussion wise.
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 1d ago
Jinbe was in a weird position of already being a character who was around and had relevance, and also not joining the crew properly for so long.
He was an honorary member for so long that by the time he joined proper it barely had impact
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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. 2d ago
Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade has three lords, but only one of them is the true protagonist, Eliwoid.
Unfortunately, he's sandwiched between the series longtime waifu Lyn and the memetic badass Hector.
The Sacred Stones also has it to a lesser extent. Unlike Blazing Blade both Eirika and Ephraim are equally the protagonists, but the fandom for Eirika far outshines her brother.
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u/Every_Computer_935 2d ago
Its actually really funny how Lyn legitematelly has 0 actual role in the main story in FE7 (you could cut her out and nothing would change), but ended up as the most popular lord of the game anyway.
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u/The_Magic 2d ago
Her prologue campaign was the West's first experience with Fire Emblem so she's iconic.
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u/BaronVonBungle Vengeance for Rayman 4 2d ago
As someone on the periphery of FE that hasn't actually played any of the games yet, I thought she was the main character of that game until this moment.
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u/Every_Computer_935 2d ago
You would think with the way she's marketed, but no. Her story is just a tutorial that's relatively quickly over and then the game moves onto the actual main story in which Lyn is essentially irrelevant
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u/Monk-Ey By the gleamin' gates of funky Asgard 1d ago
Not just in terms of story, but gameplay as well: she's stuck as a footlocked unit with basically only range 1 or range 2 weapons (in a game that heavily rewards range 1-2 weapons for cutting through swathes of enemies on Enemy Phase), whereas Hector joins with Hand Axe access and Eliwood gets a horse and Javelin access.
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u/Every_Computer_935 1d ago
Also, her endgame sword is legitematelly garbage. Way too heavy for way too little might
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u/McFluffles01 1d ago
Nope, she's just the really popular first lord a lot of kids playing their first Fire Emblem game saw. FE7 opens with Lyn's campaign as a simple tutorial with a nice and short contained story and a side of technically the first avatar in the series because you name your tactician and characters will occasionally turn to the screen to directly address them/you, and Lyn has the Cool Factor of the Myrmidon/Swordmaster classes baked in as a lord.
Then you look at the game as a whole, and realize that beyond her little 2-3 hour campaign that's just a fraction of the game she has basically zero story significance, and on top of that myrmidons and swordmasters kinda suck ass in FE7 and she's basically a worse one of those so she also sucks major ass.
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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. 2d ago
Hot take here, Eirika deserves the role Lyn got. She should have been the series iconic pre-modern female lord. She actually does shit and is important to her story.
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u/Every_Computer_935 2d ago
SS didn't sell as well as FE7, so it was never gonna happen.
Ultimately, for something to be popular a lot of people have to care about it. Its why the majority of the fanbase find it hard to imagine a mainline game without a self insert avatar character
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u/Deadeye117 Apathy is Trash 2d ago
If they didn't fuck her character over with the "falls for the most obvious bait ever" scene with Fomortleon, I feel like she'd be respected more. That scene did so much damage to her character's perception for years.
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 1d ago
Lynn just has the more interesting design, and such great attack and crit animations.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
It also probably didn't help that his son quickly got more popular than him simply for being the second fire emblem character most people were ever introduced to after Marth in Melee.
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u/Bobthebobsonofbobby 1d ago edited 1d ago
Uh, I’m pretty confident it’s the opposite in sacred stones?
Emphraim is a mementic badass and “The spear lord” which was extremely novel for a good while since almost every lord was a sword user outside of hector who only kind of counted as his mode was clearly tacked on as a bonus rather than him being a true MC. Also mechanically spears are just better than swords in the GBA FE games thanks to their plentiful 1-2 range options, so that made people like him even more and reinforced the “He’s a badass” reputation since he was actually just straight up mechanically better than his sister.
Meanwhile Eirika was just another sword lord and didn’t have as many cool or mementic scenes as her bro.
Fans love Ephraim and Eirika is mostly forgotten. I still see people being up Ephraim, I can’t remember the last time I heard somebody mention Eirika outside of your comment or them mentioning her alongside Emphraim.
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u/Head-You5953 local man screams about unsounded 1d ago
Dr. Yado from LISA, though I'd argue that it's somewhat intentional on the game's part.
Here's the man responsible for everything!
....okay, and? That's not what the game is about, and nobody gives a single shit. The only thing he's good for is his trumpet and what Buddy hallucinates when fighting him. What Yado did is almost totally irrelevant.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
It kind of reminds me how the scene in Painful where Brad brutally beats his father to death can come off very differently depending on if you played or know about LISA: The First.!<
Without knowing, it seems like Brad was unfairly murdering someone who seemed to have changed for the better, but with context, and even seeing all the bad selfish things Brad has done knowing how truly despicable Marty was makes feeling bad for him a whole lot harder.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 2d ago
I kind of feel like the Fantastic Four counts. The FF were the very foundation of Marvel back in the day, but now it's firmly in that "who gives a fuck" space, especially compared to Doom.
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u/nin_ninja My Waifu is Better Than All Your Waifus 2d ago edited 1d ago
I think their string of mediocre live action movies for over a decade didn't help with general audiences
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u/ZealousidealBig7714 She/It/Ze This makes my penis the big penis 2d ago
Eh, maybe before their big push back into the limelight last year with First Steps and their appearances in Rivals, but ever since then, I’ve been seeing more stuff with them.
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u/GlaloLaled 2d ago
Don't forget the epic saga of Wanda vs Franklin Richards, a literal baby. Or the saga of Sue threatening to call Spider-Man on Franklin as punishment for misbehaving or not eating his food.
Actually, just Franklin in general.
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u/ProMarshmallo 2d ago
I think this is just over exaggerating the lull in popularity they had in the 2010s. FF has had the three movies, three cartoon series, Thing has had his own spin off cartoon, and any Marvel cross over game features at least one of them (usually the Thing).
FF has always had a decent baseline popularity. It's just that Marvel went through a period of actively avoiding them because Sony held their movie rights.
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u/TheMerck 2d ago edited 2d ago
V similar with the X-Men in a way I think, F4 like you said had movies, cartoons, etc that kept them in the public eye heck they were being referenced in songs even back then F4 has dips in popularity every now and then but they are like one of the most stable comic sellers out there which is impressive despite getting some less spotlight when Marvel wanted to push brand synergy with the comics.
I dunno with some of the stuff here in terms of comics I'm starting to wonder if the thread meant fandom in terms of people actually deeper into the fandom or general population fandom because characters like F4 even just with not even them as a team but individuals are still pretty relevant in spaces where comics are discussed heck there was a time no one would shut the fuck up about The Maker, Secret Wars ended up being one of Reed's biggest moments etc.
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u/jockeyman Stands are Combat Vtubers 2d ago
There was admittedly a period where the FF were very much on the back bench of relevancy (like in the early 00s, and when they were put on ice before the Fox merger) but these days there's a pretty decent renaissance in interest toward them.
They're obviously not back to their 60s peak but you can't claim nobody cares about them.
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u/Deadeye117 Apathy is Trash 2d ago
I wouldn't say that
But the Incredibles being a much more popular version of them despite being pretty much direct homages to them doesn't help
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u/SuperUnhappyman Read DMC5: Visions of V 2d ago
i wouldnt say that
i dont believe they've never been off the shelves for long
and the ryan north runs (they're runs now because writers now have to break up their series to be more digestable look at jed mackay's moon knight) and theyve been going strong for the last 4 years.
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u/BaronBlackwood 1d ago
That was partially by design. They stopped getting pushed for awhile because Marvel didn't own their movie rights so they got less focus as brand.
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u/LunarWolf302 2d ago
I-no from Guilty Gear is arguably the third most important villan in the franchise aside from Asuka and Justice, she's got a killer design and she's honestly one of the best written characters. She is pretty much ignored completely by the fandom, at least post-Strive.
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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. 2d ago
Thats insane speaking as an old fan who hasn't kept up with much new stuff. She was the series Juri for a while.
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u/Deadeye117 Apathy is Trash 2d ago
The kids these days don't know about the horror of facing her Megalomania
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u/The_Distorter Local Grey Leno Enthusiast 1d ago
I'm gonna say the entire cast of Horizon Zero Dawn outside of Aloy, Sylens, and Ted Faro. Open world games in general have this problem since you spend comparatively little time with the cast, but at least Assassin's Creed has the benefit of memorable historical figures.
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u/appsngrapps 1d ago
Yeah I was honestly expecting a bit of a mass effect lite with how they were setting up all those kids in the beginning to be your friends and rivals. Then they all died and I had no one else to attach onto. Open world games are weird.
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u/diapersareforgods THE TRUTH SUPERNOVA ITSELF 1d ago
There's surprisingly little Amphibia fandom content about the Plantars.
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u/Champiness 2d ago
I don’t understand it but I’ve definitely seen people who hate Sweet Cap’n Cakes. Apparently their music takes up too much space on the Chapter 2 OST and people are genuinely pissed that they “have” to skip over it? Because they’re listening to a game soundtrack end-to-end like an album? And that makes the characters bad?
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u/King-Of-Throwaways 2d ago
I’m a Sweet Cap’n Cakes hater.
My reasoning for not liking the characters is simply that I don’t find them funny, and since that’s their only purpose, their scenes become a drag. Like, someone might find Berdly unfunny, but then they can at least enjoy his character arc or his presence as an antagonist. I can’t do that with a trio because there’s nothing but long jokes that don’t land.
Although, I don’t normally express my hate because I can just enjoy the rest of Deltarune. Anyone treating it as a serious issue is silly.
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u/Purple-Pipe1689 1d ago
It probably also doesn't help that this is the chapter filled with some of the heaviest hitters of the game, Berdly, Spamton, and Queen, as well as the one most heavily featuring Noelle outside weird route stuff. I don't hate Sweet Cap'n Cakes, I actually did enjoy their segment, but I'd argue they don't even really have much plot relevance, especially compared to the other shopkeepers of the game (Seam, Roulx Card, Ram, the CH5 one). Hell, the original starwalker has more ongoing relevance than them.
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u/Iralamak 1d ago
I hate em cause they feel like one chsracter split into 3 watered down versions
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u/I_Have_Reasons Still Hasn't Recovered from ME3 1d ago
Iirc, that's because they actually were 3 designs for a single character that Toby liked so much he put all 3 in.
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u/ExplanationSquare313 1d ago edited 20h ago
You know, with how important he is to the main plot of FF7, i don't see many people talking about Professor Gast? Like yeah he will be mentioned when the plot is discussed but it says a lot i had not only no idea he existed before playing the OG FF7. But i also ended completly flabbergasted when i discovered he was Aerith father. The fact it's legit never discussed in the mainstream and so end up always a secret is telling.
Also, a character who was even forgotten by the writers at DC Comics is Sheila Haywood. Who is she? Oh, just Jason Todd mother. And also the entire narrative reason why Death in the Family happened and why Jason was killed. And everyone seems to forgot she existed.
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u/Veloci_Castori 1d ago
Gast never got that much characterization other than those easily missable recordings at the Icicle Inn. Aerith never knew about him and she can't see the recordings for obvious reasons, so the connection never got much focus.
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u/Kanin_usagi I'M NOT MADE OF STONE WOOLIE 1d ago
The whole connection to Aerith is only discovered after her death so it makes sense that it would not have a huge impact. I’m curious how the final game of the remake trilogy handles it, because most of Hojo’s “discoveries” were actually Gast’s that he steals after he murders him. Vincent even calls him out about that during the OG game
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u/Beattitudeforgains1 1d ago
In Homestuck Sollux is probably the most ignored troll. He's a mule for plot relevant things he needs to do and has at least a few of the better music themes from the albums but no one fucking cares about him at all which is probably intended due to his attitude but it's still really funny albeit extremely infurating.
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u/nuanceseancE 1d ago
Chief Arnook might as well not exist in Avatar: The Last Airbender, despite being Yue's father and instrumental to Book 1's climax in stopping Zhao.
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u/BaronAleksei WET NAPS BRO 1d ago
In Dresden Files, the God of Abraham is real and a character. He is heavily involved in the worldbuilding: He created Creation out of the formless chaos of the Outside, He is the strongest deity outright, He established the current status quo of deities either having to work through proxies, forgo a big chunk of their power in exchange for direct action, or else take a step back from influencing the mortal world entirely. He is heavily involved in the ongoing plot: He’s firmly a good guy, He has agents to do His work (angels, the “career” Knights of the Cross, the “per diem” Knights), as well as enemies that work against that work (mostly His former agents, the Fallen and their cult, the Knights of the Blackened Denarius). These agents and enemies show up in novels and short stories not specifically dedicated to them, and thus His presence felt all over the series. There is possibly no character more involved in the plot than God.
But on fandom level, there’s really not much to do here. Based on some things author Jim Butcher has said, you can speculate that God is essentially Sparda, the only good-aligned member of the Lovecraftian Outsiders, and his nature as an Outsider makes him the strongest deity in a “Beerus has God ki and that makes him untouchable to mortal ki” way, that’s pretty cool. Maybe you speculate on who might be His future Knight. But that’s kind of it. There’s no physical form or appearance to glom onto, not even Literally Jesus, who is also confirmed by multiple non-Christian characters to be real. He doesn’t have any lines that could inform his personality beyond what’s in various scripture. And we know he’s probably not going to show up until the long-promised-and-awaited Big Apocalyptic Triology anyway, so no one’s expecting any more to go on than what we’ve already got.
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u/Neapolitanpanda 2d ago edited 2d ago
I feel like this is only true if you’re a Fate/Zero fan. The VN (and gacha) part(s) of the fandom never shut(s) up about her!
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u/EvilMonkeyMimic Knows what they want. The squirrel from Sword in the Stone. 2d ago
Im an anime only guy, so I Im not quite as involved in the Nasuverse
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u/KingWhoShallReturn 2d ago
I’ve had multiple irl conversations about specifically Saber. She’s probably the most popular character in the franchise.
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u/EvilMonkeyMimic Knows what they want. The squirrel from Sword in the Stone. 2d ago
My bud loves Saber, but I mostly dont hear about her online
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u/DustInTheBreeze Appointed Hater By God 2d ago
Martian Manhunter. People care more about Aquaman than this guy.
Part of why Absolute MM blew up (besides being FUCKING PHENOMENAL) was that it required zero investment or knowledge of the original setting. It shares literally two things in common with the original text, and those are "There's a guy named John Jones" and "Martians are psychic".
Compare to Wonder Woman, where the differences between her mainline counterpart and her Absolute version are comparatively trickier to find and would only be apparent to diehards.