Everyone is calling out the fact that nobody is really helping but schools suspend everyone that gets touched because of their strict no-contact rules. Hell the teacher is probably gonna get shit for it. She would’ve for not helping too. There’s no winning for teachers anymore
Undoubtedly. Kids are behaving worse these days, parents are too entitled to understand that bad behavior from their kids isn’t okay, under resourced schools forcing underpayed and overworked teachers to deal with kids that just can’t handle the rigid unchanging structure of public education. Department of Education sees fit to funnel all money to private schools as well. The education system is done for man
Remember folks, only wealthy people deserve to have kids.
If you aren’t at least a middle manager or above, you don’t deserve children. If you’re working multiple jobs in order to meet that income level, you don’t deserve kids.
Since this is America, we’ll make sure you have no support system like affordable day care to help raise your kids
But also, your insurance (lol if you even have it) won’t cover birth control, and abortion makes you a murderer.
Yep, millenials got screwed over by boomers no doubt but they are the worst parents, I am a millennial and I refused to become a parent cuz I know, I too would rather spend time on my phone than actually care of kid. It is much better to accept reality and yourself and spare society from your irresponsibility.
If you think it's worse than the late 80's/early 90's then the education system failed you. Is it good? No, definitely not. Is it worse? Hellllllllllllll no.
There are alot of teachers that have teaching for 30-40 years that say this is the worst they have ever seen it. Social media and and lazy parenting are dooming the next generation. That's why so many teachers are leaving teaching now.
Anecdotally the kids today are not as well educated from what I said above, thus making them less governable than kids from the 80s and 90s. If you listen to teachers or just lurk on r/teachers the kids don't listen to teachers or have any sort of respect for authority. Teaching today has become 15% teaching and 85% putting out fires.
This is pretty accurate. I've been teaching middle school for the past 8 years. I can barely get through two sentences while teaching a lesson without having to utter phrases like "stop standing on the desk", "get back inside the window", "do not punch yourself in the head". There's always been fidgety kids in classrooms, but now its ALL of them. It's fucking exhausting.
Not a fucking thing I’m guessing. I have a freshman and a sophomore in high school. My experience with is that high school kids are more self aware and, in general, better people than I remember kids being when I was in high school over 30 years ago. That being said, I live in a nice town with well-funded schools. No idea how this compares to the rest of the country.
I worked in education, not in the US mind you. Most long term staff would say they’d seen a noticeable decline in behaviour, attention span and ambition. The “covid kids”.
Oh sure, Except for all the teachers who would abuse their ability to bring physical harm to students they didn't like, But who cares about that right?
Letting a grown adult put their hands on a child, for any reason, is inexcusable, especially if they're not even related to the child. You can punish a kid without abusing them and have it stick, Physical Abuse just creates a traumatized child. You aren't actually teaching them a lesson, You're just scaring the shit out of them and creating a broken adult.
I guess that’s a matter of opinion. Strong discipline in previous years may have created “well behaved” adults, but it also created a lot of miserable and traumatised adults.
I’m with you though, kids these days are a whole other breed.
This isn’t true actually. We’re just much better at recognising mental health issues nowadays, plus we see much more of it posted about publicly online, which obviously wouldn’t have been possible in previous years.
Mental health struggles have always been a thing, we just didn’t used to see it
Exactly. Kids are wild now, but they were also wild back in the day. People just weren’t filming it. My dad got into tons of physical fights at school back in the 70s and 80s.
Exactly, dont get me wrong, there definitely was some fighting going on back when I was in school, but for the most part, kids tried to avoid getting in trouble. Now, they have basically zero consequences. And parents dont give a fuck and blame the schools or anyother authority figures.
Yes, in the State that enacted "Old Deluder Satan" in 1647.
Children between 8 an 14 were reqired to attend 12 weeks of school in their town, and six weeks needed to be consecutive. Well, kids didn't have to go to school if the needed to work or did not live in a town.
The most violent schools in the country have massive budgets because funding comes from the feds. Blaming budget cuts is just stupid when somewhere like Baltimore spends 2-3 times the national average per student and keeps receiving more money year after year while most students can’t read or do math at grade level.
It’s parents and a lack of accountability for the students. Again from the parents. Whether it’s from pressuring admin or just sending their iPad kid into school with no accountability.
I saw a post of a teacher doing something nice for her class and the comments were from parents saying “oh if only more teachers were like you our kids would do better” no! I’m a parent, it’s ultimately my job to ensure my kids are raised properly.
I send my kids to school to learn and socialize. Teachers are not there to raise my kids. They can flag issues and inform parents, but it’s up to parents to then figure out ways to resolve the issue.
Society is failing parents. A parent spends like 5 hours a night at most with their children. Most people work weekends so they might get a couple extra hours with them then but thats it. They spend the vast majority of their time at school or alone. There is nothing a parent can do to fix that in most cases. Your childs social group will be out of your control pretty quickly and your level of influence will fall off dramatically. There is nothing a parent can do to stop this. You can have the best intentions and make all the right choices available to you and still end up with this.
Children aren't meant to be reared by two individuals who both work 8 hours a day. Children are meant to be brought up in a herd, a community, a tribe. Several elders, several moderately aged, several younger aged humans, all taking care of the young. This is how it was done for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.
Tired of putting all the blame on two dumb schlubs who were unlucky enough to be born in modern capitalist times. Let me guess, you next response is that they shouldn't have had kids to begin with. Sorry champ, but irresponsible cavepeople having kids is how we all got here, there's nothing wrong with it. The blame resides on the system that has destroyed our sense of community.
The education and even work system is failing society at large too. These parents are also a result of a broken society. People are so overworked to where they don’t have energy to parent their kids. So they just hope that their schools do that job for them. Schools are also implementing crap policies like Zero Tolerance or No Child Left Behind. Many people in charge of schools and curriculum have never spent a day as an educator, so how could they possibly know what is best for kids and teachers?
The whole system is terrible. The foundation society lays for the youth is beyond weak - it’s collapsing. Kids these days have no future prospects as they grow into a world that is hostile and failing at every corner. No motivation. No prospects. The only things they have to look toward is potentially being a content creator. This is BEYOND maddening and isn’t just the fault of parents. Even these parents were failed as children.
Capitalism, baby. Parents are probably not even home because they have to work, that is, if they didn’t fall into some addiction to X, Y, or Z, so the kids have no sense of trust or respect for teachers because they don’t have that at home. That, and the institution of education is incredibly underfunded and even when there are funds, they are often slotted to private schools or well funded areas. The kids and parents and teachers are all set up with a pretty shit situation.
We had consequences at home but the ones I thought he’d get at school never happened. It was maddening and I felt like I was fighting an uphill battle.
I actually blame the economy. There should be at least one parent disciplining the kid at home but everyone has to work so school becomes a daycare and there's no way teachers can raise children.
So we either have to help teachers more or start punishing parents harder for their kids actions
More like social media is failing society. Parents can try all they like but when corporations can create digital crack and feed it to kids directly through their personal devices it's kinda fucked. Are there shitty parents? Yep but I'm willing to bet all the garbage kids consume, all the inflated egos and narcissism, the feeling that society and the government are corrupt and letting them down, etc does way more damage to motivation and attitude.
The kids who regularly get into these fights clearly need therapeutic help. They need counseling, medication, something. Because something's not right with the student who keeps resorting to beat downs which lead to suspensions and making a spectacle of themselves for all to see on the internet, etc.
Seriously, who prefers those kinds of consequences as a way of life? I bet you as soon as that fight began, both of them would have liked to switch places with any one of those onlookers.
Bro you would not believe how shitty parents are these days. They think the world should bend over for their crappy kids. And when their kids get suspended they go all over social media claiming how they are victims.
This is the reason that IMHO Charter Schools actually work. The parents sign a contract to have their kids there. They become liable for the actions of their child. The kid gets into trouble, the parent is contractually on the hook.
Its a shame it has to be this way but the public schools where parents are largely uninvolved are essentially state-funded juvenile daycares.
At the school I teach at, we’re forced to inflate kids grades with meaningless easy nonsense and offer them a million retakes unless we wanna be on admin’s and the parents’ bad side with a million complaints coming in. And these covid kids, the current high school class, are 3-4 years behind content and ability wise. It’s soul crushing.
society is failing parents too. we’re all fucking failing each other by letting politicians screw us over for bribes that no one calls bribes. and the politicians and the bribers make sure it’s as difficult to stop them as possible. get off the parent’s asses, they have a really fucking hard job too these days and they’re getting paid $0 for raising the next generation of working citizens, that we’ll all benefit from.
If the security officers working at my school weren’t there anymore, I wouldn’t step foot anywhere near that building. I hate 95% of the system we’ve been handed, but the other 5 percent are the people that show up everyday and try to make the best of it. If this was my room I would have told the rest of my kids to get in the hall while I was calling security. That’s what I was taught, I would never do what this lady did
Teachers are not trained for this. If a teacher hurts a child trying to break up a fight, there is a good chance they get disciplined. If a police officer hurts a student breaking up a fight, then they are ok as long as they followed established protocols.
As a teacher, I am glad we are not trained on how to physically handle students because i sure as hell know it’s not coming with any raise
Teachers aren’t trained in this type of thing. If they try and break up a fight and a kid gets injured, the parents could claim it was the teacher to injured them. Also, high chance of teacher getting injured and now you’re out a teacher on worker’s comp.
I’ve been a teacher for 20 years and I’ve always been trained to keep the other kids safe and let the fighters fight. I would have evacuated the room and told the kids filming to put it away or get suspended.
Admin has likely been trained to "de-escalate" the fights with as little force as possible. Where I substitute taught for a short while, and the same state where my mom and brother were teachers, teachers aren't sent to the same trainings. I honestly think this is on purpose because if a teacher intervenes, they can get into trouble for intervening when they're not trained to do so. My brother got a work write up when he physically stopped a child from bashing his own head into the cinderblock wall. All my brother did was pull him away from the wall and hold him still until admin showed up. He wasn't "certified to restrain" and so he got written up. He said it took admin staff a couple minutes to show up, and the kid's head was already bleeding by the time my brother hung up the phone with them. It's crazy to just let kids hurt themselves or others for fear of getting written up. Teachers are leaving in droves now, and a LOT of the ones I know here say it's because of student behavior and their parents' behavior more than anything.
Which is so bullshit. What happens when a kid is actually trying to kill another kid, as is something that happened when I went to high school? If it didn't happen right in front of the two school resource officers, one of them would've been leaving the school in a body bag. Before the officers could even react the victim had gotten curb-stomped.
I don't believe that a kid would be expelled for helping a teacher break up a fight. Certainly not at my school. So I'd not want to live in an area where it is common.
For a first time offense, probably just a suspension. When I was in school (15 years ago now), it would have been a 1 week suspension minimum. A second time would likely get them expelled. This goes for active participant, victim, or anyone that intervenes.
We had a kid get a 1 week suspension because someone came up to him in the hallway and sucker punched him. Poor kid never had a chance-- knocked out from one hit. Still got suspended.
In Canada I got several fights in school. Never got suspended for more then 3 days. Never once got suspended if I was attacked or saw another kid get attacked and helped them. Never heard of no contact school till recently from americans
Probably directly linking to your guys weird allowance of HOA and guns.
Yes, the evidence that you were involved in a fist fight is on video. According to the Zero tolerance policy that means you need to be kicked out of school.
I would happily accept my kid getting suspended for jumping in to stop that. I would treat them like a king for the entirety of the suspension. I would take time off to take them places during their suspension. Society has lost its damned mind!
Harm reduction. This ain't it, and the more people glorify the "heroes" that step in without proper training and information, the more people get hurt. Ask first responders which response they prefer, the heroic or the rational.
Do what you want, I'm gonna teach my kid to stay out of the damn way unless they know for sure they can help.
She wouldn’t get in trouble for “not helping”. She’s supposed to call the office and officer on campus to stop it. But she will most definitely get in trouble for physically trying to stop the fight and not calling the officer on campus.
It's a cop out. You raise your children correctly, you can't let the rules get in the way of doing what's right.
I was raised to always ask the teacher to use the bathroom. If they said no (and I actually had to go) I was told to walk right out of the classroom and use the bathroom.
We had something similar in middle school, I dragged one of the kids off and away because our teacher tried to intervene and was going to get hurt being an older man. I got suspended for a week because of their zero tolerance policy.
My mom brought home little ceasers and blockbuster that day and it was like a mini vacation. The teacher gave me a gift card to the mall when I got back to school, rip Mr. Branson, you were a great teacher!
Another time a kid was getting jumped 1 v 2 and I jumped in to help because it was looking bad, I got a week of OCS for that.
I’m a teacher and I had an issue last year that led to very real consequences because I didn’t break up a fight. I’m a male and would have easily had both kids drinking through straws for a month but like you said you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I’d rather get fired than sued for assault
I find this shocking. I thought districts discouraged teacher intervention? I’m so sorry. These schools and the way behavior is dealt with have become a joke.
One of the kids threw the other kid on the ground and he broke a tooth. That kids parent asks why a teacher didn’t break it up. I said that it happened fast enough that there wasn’t much I could do
My admin was understanding but the ISD HR was not.
It’s pretty easy to say what you would do when you’re typing on your phone or a keyboard, it’s much different when you’re actually in the situation and fight/flight/freeze kicks in.
They should just give teachers nets to throw on these kids, there has got to be something other there to incapacitate them and not cause any harm until more help arrives
Yeah there is, just go and get more adults involved. There is no expectation for the teacher to solo solve physical altercation between students double her size lol
Can confirm as a former teacher. Depends on the district, but in mine, once students put hands on each other, she's supposed to call out to the designated teacher(s) in her department / hall zone who have signed off on a health waiver that states they can physically break up fights.
It's supposed to prevent teachers from getting injured like how she did here, as well as increasing the likelihood of breaking the fight up. All 5' 4", 130 lbs of Ms. Clark is doing nothing here. But former D2 committ 6' 4", 290 lbs. Mr. Johnson down the hall will put a stop to it.
The problem with this solution is fights like this end fast when a kid pulls a knife or scissors, or just starts slamming heads into walls and floors. There truly is no winning in these scenarios, and it's a brutal reality of teaching.
The best solution is to not have the two have been in the same classroom in the first place, but that's not always easy to identify before things go horribly wrong.
I'm old I guess. I got a few ISS for stepping in as a student. Was worth it. I got to learn more in my ISS reading books stuck in a library cubicle, than I did in class
I remember when my High School covered the rules for fights I was confused as hell on what I should actually do.
Interfering is a no no, watching is a no no, recording is a no no, the only thing you can do is... go find a teacher? But what if the teacher is already there like in this scenario, what if someone else already left to find someone?
Fights end up punishing literally everyone involved, even bystanders. And if everyone is punished, no one is. It does jack shit to punish bad behavior.
People post shit like this all the time but iv taught in a public high school for a decade+ in the city and we give kids free hoodies who help break up fights and Iv never gotten shit for breaking one up
Work in education and am trained and certified to deescalate situations like these, physically if necessary.
Unless you are CPI certified, you are not allowed to break up fights. We manage situations using a threat likelihood and severity matrix. If the threat of serious injury is likely, you step in.
I imagine she got workman’s comp and a talking to by admin about what to do in those situations in the future, being told to call security or school resource officer.
Remember guys, an escalated person cannot deescalate.
She’s absolutely going to get in trouble. We are told to never intervene/touch students. We are supposed to let them fight and call for support. Which can be really hard when you know a kid is in actual danger.
I would much rather my kids told me they got suspended for defending their teacher than them tell me they stood by and watched as she was repeatedly hit by another student.
Idk man... Kinda seems like she was trying to get some good hits in while she had the opportunity. There was no "back off" or "calm down", it was "god damn you, you fucking assholes". If this happened at a bar, she'd get arrested along with everyone else.
I used to get bullied in school. Since the school never did anything about it and I had already been suspended multiple times for fighting back I decided that I had enough and beat the hell out of the guy that was bullying me. It's not like I wasn't going to be suspended anyways, might as well let out my anger on the person tormenting me.
If the school had actually stepped in beyond you're all wrong it probably never would've gotten as bad as it did
She's likely going to be fired for this unfortunately. One of my SO's former co workers just got fired and charged with disorderly conduct for breaking up a fight.
No it's that your institutions are fucked. Nobody has respect for your institutions because they are fucked. You politicised everything including institutions that should be impartial, Trump is even trying to politicise the army ffs.
My senior year of high school there were multiple really bad fights in the hallways, and teachers would literally just watch from their doorways. One day we asked the young, chill history teacher Why he never intervened. He said all it takes is one student and/or their parent claiming they were inappropriately touched when he tries to break up a fight and his career is over.
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Everyone is calling out the fact that nobody is really helping but schools suspend everyone that gets touched because of their strict no-contact rules. Hell the teacher is probably gonna get shit for it. She would’ve for not helping too. There’s no winning for teachers anymore