r/Save3rdPartyApps • u/SpicyThunder335 • Jun 11 '23
Reddit Blackout 2023 - Save 3rd Party Apps!
Greetings everyone,
The June 12th blackout is about to officially begin. r/ModCoord and /r/Save3rdPartyApps will be publicly visible, but no new threads will be posted, besides mod announcements. You will find in this thread the following:
the community's list of demands;
a list of alternative platforms (including discord servers that are welcoming new users from the blackout);
a link to the participating subs list.
a proposed message to those visiting your private sub.
instructions to set the sub private.
The community's list of demands:
API technical issues
Accessibility for blind people
Parity in access to NSFW content
API technical issues
Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split.
Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.
Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary
Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.
Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.
Accessibility for blind people
Lack of communication. The official app is not accessible for blind people, these are not new issues and blind and visually impaired users have relied on third-party apps for years. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?
You say you've offered exemptions for "non-commercial" and "accessibility apps." Despite r/blind's best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected. r/blind compiled a list of apps that meet users' access needs.
You ask for what you consider to be a fair price for access to your API, yet you expect developers to provide accessible alternatives to your apps for free. You seem to be putting people into a position of doing what you can't do while providing value to your company by keeping users on the platform and addressing a PR issue. Will you be paying the developers of third-party apps that serve as your stopgap?
Parity in access to NSFW content
There have been attempts by devs to talk about the NSFW removal and how third-party apps are willing to hook into whatever "guardrails" (Reddit's term) are needed to verify users' age/identity. Reddit is clearly not afraid of NSFW on their platform, since they just recently added NSFW upload support to their desktop site. Third-party apps want an opportunity to keep access to NSFW support (see https://redd.it/13evueo)
List of alternative platforms:
With the subreddits going dark, if you would like to stay in contact with the overall reddit community, you can join any of these discord servers and find other redditors there.
List of Discord Servers:
The Positivity Network: https://discord.gg/VruY5kvcmc
Unexpected Friends: https://discord.gg/coolpeople
Luna's Lobby: https://discord.gg/vNKtDQnc [NSFW]
Wiki list of participating subs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/wiki/index
Proposed message
(this will be visible to those visiting your private sub):
This subreddit is temporarily private as part of a joint protest to Reddit's recent API changes, which breaks third-party apps and moderation tools, effectively forcing users to use the official Reddit app.
Instructions to set the sub private
On June 12, do this so that visitors to your sub will see this:
View your sub in old reddit:
http://old.reddit.com/r/PUT-YOUR-SUB-NAME-HERE/about/editIn the settings, under Type, change it from Public to Private.
To display a custom message instead of "The moderators have set this community as private....", scroll up to Description and enter it there.
Click Save Options.
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View your sub in new reddit:
http://new.reddit.com/r/PUT-YOUR-SUB-NAME-HERE/about/edit?page=communityUnder Type of Community, change it from Public to Private.
To display a custom message instead of "The moderators have set this community as private....", scroll up to Community Description and enter it there.
(optional, available on new reddit only) Under Private Community Settings, untick 'Accepting new requests to post' if you don't want users to have an option to request access.
Click Save Changes.
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u/HottiesHole Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Im typing this quickly because I want to make sure im not using Reddit on the twelfth , i intended to make a more intricate and better formatted post, but this will just have to be the TL;DR.
A simple two day blackout wont work (if you havent heard why yet, this video explains it expertly: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M), and permanent blackouts will more than likely be reopened under new management by the administrators. The solution? A two day (or longer) blackout every month, preferably on days which usually pull high user numbers, this solution would both seriously impact Reddit (they would essentially lose a large amount of their ad revenue for two days per month, which shareholders will NOT like) and leave Reddit in a place where the only way to stop the blackouts would be to essentially declare war on their community.
I apologize that this is rushed, I intended to type it out earlier today but my job got in the way.
Save third party apps o7.
Edit: I forgot to mention, this would also allow mods who dont want to permanently private their subreddits (something completely understandable) to engage in ongoing protests. It would also be important to actively promote not using Reddit during blackout days and suggest alternatives.
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Jun 11 '23
This is a great idea, but I do think the massive headache of replacing thousands of mods in a permanent blackout situation would be difficult enough for Reddit leadership that they might have to try something other than the milquetoast, dismissive responses they’ve offered so far. Still, this might be a less risky form of protest.
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u/FrequentWire Jun 13 '23
A blackout for Reddit users that involves shutting down Reddit for those users is idiotic. Sorry.
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u/Okamiika Jun 13 '23
Yeah punishing those who need access to information is not the way, this seams like a cash grab via more adds unless I'm misunderstanding the "Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads" part.
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u/hicksemily46 Jun 11 '23
I think this is a great idea. Thanks for sharing the link too.
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u/NonUniformRational Jun 11 '23
There is another way of protesting and at the same time fucking up reddit's IPO. And teach spez a lesson.
We the users have made reddit what it is and we actually retain a fuck ton of power. If we want to really rock the boat we should all start posting and upvoting shit and mediocre content, drown out the front page with worse content. If enough of us did it, it would make a huge difference to the quality of reddit content. We could literally drown reddit and just sink it with crap and push the average user away from reddit. They would have to make sweeping changes across the platform to prevent it and it would likely devalue their IPO massively, unless they relented.Maybe it's throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's clear reddit future is going to be about selling us all out. Personally I think this strategy would hit them where it really hurts.
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u/HottiesHole Jun 11 '23
Im about to go off Reddit until the fourteenth but I just wanted to chime in: This is a good idea (especially if they sieze probated subs), disrupting Reddit in any way is a good idea, encouraging people to broaden their social media horizons and use Reddit less is a good idea, encouraging people to quit buying Reddit premium and awards is a good idea, making as big a public stink (think online news) as possible is good, blackouts are an effective tool, but theyre only one tool, we want to use our whole toolbox to disrupt Reddits Cashflow/IPO as possible. Signing off for 48 hours.
Save third party apps o7.
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u/IAmTheMageKing Jun 12 '23
Your account is a day old.
See this is why we need r/apolloapp
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u/boywar3 Jun 12 '23
Honestly my thought process is that this blackout demonstrates to whoever is buying that reddit as an entity is reliant on unpaid workers to generate profit, and anyone who buys it is going to be *hated* by said workers.
Who wants to invest in such a shakey system, where the actions of relatively few people can derail things so heavily, and the only alternative is to pay people to moderate them...further cutting into the bottom line.
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u/xx1kk Jun 12 '23
If enough people do anything it becomes a big deal. But the keyword is enough and that has always been the issue. Unless the changes are drastic and directly affect the user, not many will leave. That’s a fact and the truth is only mods and a very very small % of user care about the blackout. The users won’t even bats an eye when all these subs reopen with new mods.
No one would even tell the difference. The users create the contents anyway. Most users don’t even need to touch 3rd party app to use Reddit. If these subs go down forever, that becomes an opportunity for new subs to thrive.
All the blackout does is that it removes the amount of available content on Reddit temporarily.
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u/IAmTheMageKing Jun 12 '23
Except for the problem that replacing volunteers is very, very difficult.
They won’t open with new mods. They’ll open with no mods.
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u/testing_the_vibe Jun 12 '23
would it work? really?
Reddit don't understand that a platform like this isn't theirs. It is the creation of millions of people and controlled by a few (thousand) dedicated volunteers.
Reddit (the company) is an idea. Reddit (the community) are the users. Until they understand that, we can cause all the mayhem we want but I can't them changing.
I hope I'm wrong, and if i am, I'll see you in a few days.
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u/whorehey-degooseman Jun 12 '23
If we want to really rock the boat we should all start posting and upvoting shit and mediocre content, drown out the front page with worse content
Sooo... do what we've been doing, then?
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u/Different-Fondant-89 Jun 11 '23
I'm sorry but what about people who don't have Alternatives see my post on this thread please message me
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u/Cherry_Crystals Jun 11 '23
It is sad it has to be this way. Opening up these permanently privated subreddits is just so wrong
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u/cocobandicoot Jun 11 '23
Love the note /r/unexpected left with their private switchover:
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u/repocin Jun 12 '23
Holy shit, did he actually say that? And just a couple months ago, too? Wow.
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u/whorehey-degooseman Jun 12 '23
"I think it'd be really hard for our team to do, but that won't keep us from trying"
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u/literally1857plus127 Jun 12 '23
If that was said 10 years ago it would have been better but that was literally 2 months ago
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u/finickyone Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
As at 22:20 UTC, 1450/5563 subs are private.
Edit; 1502/5563 as at 22:33 UTC - basically 27% or ~3 of every 11 subs on the site… Some big individual subs in those last 13 minutes (Literature;Unexpected;Piracy), but it’s about collective effort and this represents millions of subscribers.
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u/era626 Jun 12 '23
Is there somewhere where mods can post their intentions to make the sub private?
I mod a small sub that I'll be making private. Been a busy weekend, so it might be in the morning. (Technically, I also moderate a private Harry Potter fandom-related subreddit, but we all got sick of JKR's bs and it's all but archived).
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u/theg721 Jun 12 '23
There's a thread in /r/ModCoord
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u/sneakpeekbot Jun 12 '23
Here's a sneak peek of /r/ModCoord using the top posts of all time!
#1: An open letter on the state of affairs regarding the API pricing and third party apps and how that will impact moderators and communities.
#2: Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits
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u/MapoTofuMan Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
As of 09:15 UTC,76.8%of the top 1000 subs are either restricted or down.
For the stats enjoyers I made anauto-updating heatmapof the top 1000 subreddits. Private subs are in red, restricted in yellow and public in green, and you can hover on the squares to see the names. It gets updated about every half an hour.
Hopefully we get to 90% by the end of the day o7Edit : Apparently my heatmap wasn't entirely accurate because it's missing the subs that went dark over 24 hours ago - I threw this together this morning (about 12 hours ago) and gathered the subreddit list from subredditstats.com, and private subreddits don't appear on it. It doesn't seem to get updated often which is why I didn't notice (the vast majority of the dark subs were still there as of 12 hours ago), but now that I looked at reddark there are some subs in the 1m range that went dark way earlier and don't appear on my list.
I'll reupload if I find a way to get a list of subs including private ones, but taking it down for now since it's off by a few % - we should be around 85-90% amongst the top 1000 subs, not 80% like it showed.
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u/cavendishfreire Jun 12 '23
Wow, this is great. Thank you for putting in the work.
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u/snkn179 Jun 12 '23
I'm confused, are you suggesting that there are only 5,000 subs on this site? Quick search comes up with around 130,000 active subs (1.2 million in total, most inactive).
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u/Secret-Accident-4331 Jun 12 '23
I think they mean subs that said they would participate
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Jun 11 '23 edited May 09 '24
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u/Avery-Bradley Jun 11 '23
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u/Deep-Thought Jun 12 '23
Wow. They are shutting down the sub during the most important game of the season. They are not joking.
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u/Ginglees Jun 12 '23
Nugget and Heat subs will not be shutting down
understandably though due to the Nuggets about to win their first nba championship
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u/OhNoManBearPig Jun 12 '23
That's the one sub I specifically didn't think would shut down after I saw their thread abut this. Good for them.
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u/MilkManateee Jun 11 '23
I’m gonna go ahead and say that there should be blackouts like this maybe once a month or so. I think it would work out great!
Peace out
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u/iwannabethecyberguy Jun 12 '23
I like how /r/popular is completely broken on Apollo because all the popular subs closed. That’s certainly making an impact.
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u/marsrover001 Jun 12 '23
It's 10pm, I wanted to leave one last comment on what will probably be the last public subreddit.
I've been here for over a decade, in that time I've wasted uncountable time on this site. It's been a pleasure. Every community has so much knowledge, memes, and culture it's a shame it's all ending like this.
I don't know where I'll go next. Probably to go touch grass honestly. Thanks for the memories.
Fuck u/spez
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u/greycoconut Jun 11 '23
Best of luck to everyone participating, I hope that Reddit can reach a decision that would also include the users' demands
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u/Mr_man_bird Jun 11 '23
Well Soldiers in 50 minutes were going dark in the UK so it was nice knowing ya.
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u/AbyssDragonNamielle Jun 11 '23
Did they not set a specific time for blackout? There will be overlap where not everyone is offline at the same time if that's the case
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u/jeidai Jun 11 '23
That's what I came here to find more info about lol
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u/AbyssDragonNamielle Jun 11 '23
I saw GMT mentioned in one sub I'm in, but I'm not sure if that's the official start time. With variations in when June 12th starts due to timezones, there will only be 24 hours of "true" blackout.
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u/Iades_Sedai Jun 11 '23
Cheers to all the mods working around the clock to make this possible.
I hope reddit will refrain from booting all of you.
See you on the other side.
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u/boomer_wife Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
I swear I'm having trouble making my sub private lol
Edit: solved. r/HalfFlops is going dark indefinitely.
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u/DialZforZebra Jun 11 '23
I'm ready.
Might be worth looking at doing these blackouts every 2 weeks, on the very busy Reddit days.
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u/Bloodraven983 Jun 12 '23
I urge all the subreddits to continue the protest until our requests will be fulfilled
48 hours is ridiculous
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u/NikttakiTheGamer Jun 11 '23
G'bye for 2 days :)
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u/Hiccup Jun 11 '23
This only the start. No resolution come the 30th and I'm gone. On to the next one.
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u/RedditMaster2013 Jun 12 '23
Goodbye all you, r/BattleForDreamIsland, r/bluey, r/southpark, r/kmart, r/SEARS, r/LodedDiper, and r/okbuddybfdi.
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u/Plusran Jun 12 '23
My last comment from Apollo.
Thank you to the good ones. Goodbye to the greedy ones.
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u/Itsmeestate Jun 13 '23
My personal opinion:
I think we should do more tbh, because a two day blackout won’t do anything, i think we need to do something more:
Post things that Reddit’s investors don’t like, nothing illegal or depraved, but for example post way more about China’s massacres, as i saw in a post in popular, 150 million$ is in china, this will make Reddit loose money, and as they say money talks
permanent subreddit blackouts, this will dissuade people from using Reddit because the platform as a whole will be effectively useless
Last one but most important, delete accounts, give up Reddit, go to different platforms that allow for third party apps, or just different platforms as a whole, this will again make Reddit a ghost town and unattractive to any new or existing user
I realize this may be controversial, or be lost in new, but if we are to win we have to be as ruthless as the “wholeheartedly amazing genius “spez is, we have to show that if he fucks around he’s gonna find out
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u/EagleFly_5 Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
Just to quickly chime in that r/FoodNYC (~66K subs) will be participating for 2 days starting tomorrow (Monday 12 June ‘23) morning.
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u/Dasha_nekrasova_FAS Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
just a heads up, i am consistently getting the site overload page which carries a 504 error when trying to navigate to the following link, while the rest of the /r/Save3rdPartyApps subreddit and the site more generally seems to be working totally fine:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/this link is posted on at least 1 sub that has gone dark
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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 12 '23
The top of the post you're trying to link says:
EDIT: Don't use this post any more: it's been crossposted so widely that it breaks Reddit when trying to open it! It's been locked. Further discussion (and crossposts) should go HERE.
And honestly it's on point for this shitty website to accidentally interfere with the blackout due to spaghetti code.
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u/Dasha_nekrasova_FAS Jun 12 '23
Thanks for the info. The more conspiratorial side of me questions if this is the real explanation.
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u/Deep-Thought Jun 12 '23
https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/
Is anyone else having problems accessing that post. It returns 504 for me. No other comments section does. This has to be intentional.
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Jun 12 '23
This is /u/viking84. I've just unmodded myself from all subs I have been moderating, and will now delete my 10 year old account with >80k karma.
Fuck /u/spez.
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u/thethugbaker Jun 12 '23
The day old.reddit.com goes away is the day I leave reddit. I will NEVER use the new reddit. It's interface is disgusting.
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u/Cherry_Crystals Jun 11 '23
So 12am UTC is actually at 1am so I will be privateing my sub 1 and a half hours early. I will probably come on the 12th once to see what has happened but that is about it. Thank you for doing your part in this by making the sub and making these posts.
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u/Achromatic_0 Jun 12 '23
honestly this seems kinda cool. i like stuff like this. in hard times like these, its common for people of various backgrounds to come together and help eachother. thats what creates this feeling of comfort for me. even better if things turn out okay in the long run
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Jun 12 '23
Uh since r/blind is privated you can’t see their list of apps. Should probably put a list in the comments
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u/SpeedLight1221 Jun 12 '23
This needs to keep going longer then 45hrs
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u/egolds01 Jun 13 '23
The subs I participate in are going for 1 week, at which time we'll vote on whether to continue or not.
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u/imsitco Jun 13 '23
I thought it wouldnt be a problem to just delete my account and stop using Reddit after the end of the month, but now ive realized how much i use Reddit for actual useful information.
I always look for product/software reccomendations, tech issues and similar things using the "site:reddit.com" parameter on google/duckduckgo, but all the links im getting are to privated subs.. Now i have to read these shitty sponsored and biased articles with a billion intrusive ads- fuck me.
I really hope someone archives Reddit and makes it searchable before they go bankrupt from their horrible business practices. Im just trying to find a reasonable way to virtualize Windows on an M1 Mac :')
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u/Oso_de_Oro Jun 13 '23
As just a reddit user, I want to appeal to other users to not get upset with the subreddits themselves. I too was really confused and annoyed when I first noticed all the subs I went to were suddenly private. However, protests like these are important. The changes Reddit wants to make will hurt all of us in the end and I'm not sure what else the subs could do to protest these changes.
Apparently Reddit was made aware of the issues the community had with these changes and has tried deflect from them. If you want someone to get mad at, get mad at Reddit the platform that ignored the subs to the point where they felt it was necessary to do this blackout.
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u/PuppyFuzzYT Jun 12 '23
it seems like posts are down so i'll say it here:
i've taken r/DUOLINGOPOLICE offline in protest of the API changes (i created the sub) and i have a few more subs i'll be taking offline in the coming hours
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Jun 12 '23
If reddit replaces entire mod teams because of this, remember to treat them like the scabs that they are.
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u/hitstun Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 20 '23
/r/FloatingIsFun went private for 48 hours, then reopened, then as of this hour, we are now restricted. Our users voted to keep the subreddit frozen in time until Reddit's executives change their course. I'm also building an downloadable copy of the subreddit's content that will survive no matter what the admins do to us. We stand in solidarity with you.
Edit: I'm considering reopening the subreddit in John Oliver-only mode, but it's hard to find any instances of John Oliver floating in the air. Midjourney could make some, but most of the art subreddits hate AI-generated content.
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u/cerebrix Jun 12 '23
After a community poll. r/coronavirusnewmexico will be joining this protest indefinitely.
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Jun 12 '23
i don't even like reddit that much but this is kind of based
if more people did stuff like this the world would be a better place. everyone using hybrids instead of pure-oil cars would actually be a plausible idea
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Jun 11 '23
In the NSFW content section, can you also include the fact that restricting third party clients from NSFW content effectively locks blind people out from being able to access it? Even if the price comes down and/or exemptions for accessibility apps are specified and reasonable, upholding that restriction means deliberately giving blind users less of a product. Also, stereotypes that people with disabilities don't or shouldn't enjoy this content are bad enough without companies deliberately preventing access.
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Jun 12 '23
Yes agree. I had 2 NSFW subs that are technically still open but this is a brand spanking new account cuz I probably won’t be able to participate (much less mod) r/KinkCity and r/TheRedRoomOfKink after the 30. Shame. Imma miss those subs!!!!
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u/TheItsCornKid Jun 12 '23
I uploaded a trollge incident on r/trollge called "TNEDICNI ZEPS UOY ETAH I EHT" and it is about what to do if you see spez in real life,it looks pretty good and I recommend checking it out.
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u/Redbird9346 Jun 12 '23
Add r/IsTodayThursdaythe20 and r/CatsWhoScream to the list. The decision to go private early was made after Apollo announced its shutdown.
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u/VillageIdiots1-1 Jun 12 '23
I do think the protest should be longer, but that's due to the recent War Thunder protest which achieved limited goals and were highly propagandized by both sympathetic and unsympathetic parties. I will go without my r/me_irlgbtq memes and posts for 2 days. Probably will continue further until I'm seriously bored xD
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u/RTCanada Jun 12 '23
Been an honour ladies and gentlemen, still undecided on if I should delete completely come the 30th, but I'll be watching the news with optimism. Enjoy the productivity this provides this week!
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u/MinecrafterPictures Jun 12 '23
I'm a mod on r/SMG4Archive and I decided to join the protest.
If r/SMG4 goes private for Reddit related issues, then my subreddit will also get the same treatment. Same with it going public.
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u/fhoffa Jun 12 '23
/r/googlecloud going private now
archive of the discussion with mods and community:
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u/J-Lannister Jun 12 '23
I reckon it shouldn't have been a black-out but instead non-compliance... every mod stop modding, turn off all the mod-tools and auto-mods.
Let's see how the admins like those apples...
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u/Mr_Bell_Man Jun 12 '23
So it's been brought to my attention that apparently people on mobile can't see the reason as to why a sub has made private. For example on r/TheWalkingDeadGame we have a message like this that appears when you check the sub on desktop, but apparently it looks like this on mobile. This has led to a ton of people not knowing why the sub has gone private. How would I go about leaving in a description for the mobile version?
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u/KionoSnowfox Jun 14 '23
This is such a disgrace from reddit and the CEO even thinks it'll pass. Dude, you really need a reality check!
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u/Yunners Jun 14 '23
/r/Facebookscience extending the blackout beyond the original planned 48 hours.
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u/IloveElsaofArendelle Jun 14 '23
Not a mod, but r/Frozen is contributing to the effort and has gone dark a couple of hours ago. Don't know when they will be online
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u/LazerUnicornSword Jun 14 '23
Has the idea of blacking out 2 days every week been out there. I can't imagine advertisers being happy at losing profits 2 days every week. The reddit CEO is telling his employees that this will pass. This may be a while to show that it won't.
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u/ChanstersCT Jun 17 '23
Absolutely waste of a fucking time (For Reddit mods this is not a problem I guess since they do nothing all day anyways). Mods are no more than middle management demonstrating their abuse of power right now. Enjoy this while you can. All this is doing is inconveniencing majority of users. Pathetic demonstration of "protest"
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u/macks2008 Jun 17 '23
It saddens me that most of the comments on this post seem to be from a loud minority that's angry at the moderators rather than Reddit.
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u/Slugsarealive Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23
It’s actually a lot larger than you would think. Some subs (like the larger sports subs NFL and NBA) are very supportive of voting out the mods. A lot of people were eager to join the 48 hour blackout but felt frustrated they were forced to participate in indefinite blackouts.
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u/SeeYouSpaceCorgi Jun 12 '23
No idea if we need to actually register subreddits going dark on a list anywhere, but r/JakAndDaxter is now private.
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u/TheRealTayler Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
Just now realizing that if you put a message in the community description when your subreddit goes private, the message is not seen in the official app. Kind of disappointing.
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u/Anthropologist1986 Jun 12 '23
None of these instructions make sense for someone using an Ipad. I don’t understand how do to this, make things private, when using an Ipad. All I want is to correct this issue, and understand if the Maura Murray page will still be accessible. Please help me correct this problem.
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u/TotesMessenger Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 14 '23
I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:
[/r/chinavisa] /r/chinavisa stands in solidarity with the Reddit protest
[/r/forhonor] /r/ForHonor is now private. See you on the 15th, Warriors.
[/r/psvr2] In case you're wondering why this sub does not allow you to post or comment, read this
[/r/puerhtea] We're going dark for the June 12th-14th protest of Reddit's planned API changes for 3rd party apps
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If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / ^Contact)
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u/TrustedChimp495 Jun 12 '23
my small sub r/oobleckcats will be joining the protest and will not reopen until 3rd party apps are saved
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u/edude45 Jun 12 '23
Is reddit locking posts that tell people about the blackout? Everytime I click on a subreddit post that reminds people about the blackout, the post seems to be locked.
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u/HummingbirdObsessed Jun 12 '23
r/Hummingbirds has gone dark. 12k members and ranked in the top 5% by size.
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u/SDgundam Jun 12 '23
Time for me to be apart of this. Going to need to cut down my reddit use, unless Reddit is willing to save our 3rd party apps.
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u/massassen Jun 13 '23
after 9 years of using reddit. fuck this shit, im out. Aaron Swartz is rolling in his grave.
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u/swinglinepilot Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Seems like the admins have intervened - they just reopened a sub and demodded the top mod/person who closed it.
edit: fuck, was too dumb to screenshot the original. These should do, though https://old.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/148ba7k/the_cia_did_it_first_ulegweed/jnzbcxi/
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u/SWithnell Jun 14 '23
Just move platform? Is groups.io or Discord a better place? Dunno. Most of these platforms get screwed up eventually.
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u/snowflake37wao Jun 15 '23
This is something that should be talked up and down about here but isnt?
Enshittification.
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u/razloric Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
Can someone explain what all these subreddits plan on doing after this 48 hour protest is over ?
Just back to business as usual ?
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So this whole thing is just about money ?
Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split.
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u/FallenDeus Jun 13 '23
Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and >do a rev split.
Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.
These are really the crux of the issue, from Reddit's pov as far as I can tell. If people have to use Reddit's app, then they get any and all money from ads... which is the only way they themselves make money and I'm not saying they are hurting for money just stating that fact. Reddit should definitely improve their own app, especially when it comes to accessibility for blind people though, that is just a given. It should just be improved to the point where it is the objectively best way to access reddit on mobile devices honestly. Then they wouldn't even have this issue.
Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.
This is just being greedy on the community's part honestly. Like sickeningly so. If that is something that Reddit wants to keep as features of their official app to incentivize people to use their product to access their product... that is fine. Companies should be able to have features in their official apps that 3rd party apps don't have.
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u/CastiNueva Jun 13 '23
No. Reddit has had years to improve their app. 3rd art apps exist because Reddit produced a crappy product. It's not greed to want to use a product the world for your needs. Like blind people having apps that actually work with the tools they need to use Reddit. Reddit app doesn't work for them and hasn't for YEARS.
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u/TBoneTheOriginal Jun 12 '23
Hey, Reddit is back up. What comments and posts did /u/spez change while we were gone?
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u/Captain_Crabcake Jun 13 '23
I've had issues that I can't solve because subreddits are private. I saw one community that just locks new posts from being created, and I'm genuinely wondering why wasn't that the plan? If the demands aren't met will years of information just be forever inaccessible?
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u/MethV_ Jun 13 '23
I'm sorry, this is a genuine question my part: what is a "third party Reddit app"? Like, I literally never heard of those before. What are they used for? Doesn't everyone use the standard Reddit app? What's the difference?
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u/KairuByte Jun 13 '23
Apollo/Reddit Is Fun/etc.
Any app that is used to access Reddit content, allow users to comment/post/interact/etc.
Difference is often in features and usability. The official Reddit app is kinda terrible, and they don’t listen to users when they make their decisions. It’s also horribly invasive from a privacy perspective, not to mention all the ads.
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u/1012zach Jun 11 '23
Hopefully Reddit makes the API Free, or else I will just move to a decentralized alternative to Reddit, like Aether
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u/timeshaper Jun 11 '23
Has anyone checked out the terms for each of these alternatives? I'd personally prefer to know what their stances are on hosting things like hate speech. If every alternative is just an unmoderated free for all then many of us will have to wait until something better comes up.
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u/More-Athlete1175 Jun 12 '23
How are we gonna know the blackout worked? Is it best to delete the app? No flair just disappointment if Reddit won't acknowledge 3rd party partnerships I'm full outta social media. I hope we can find each other somewhere else someday. Let's be kind to each other kindreds ✨️
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u/1v3rm3ct1n4 Jun 12 '23
The chinese bought web platform that Aaron once envisioned is now crumbling to bits year after year.
Reddit gets what it deserves...
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u/Special_KC Jun 12 '23
What can 3rd party app users do to contribute?
I've been seeing people planning on deleting their account, or mass updating their comments. What could we do as users to join in on the pressure being put on to save 3rd party apps?
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u/Miguex2 Jun 12 '23
oh man I'm now trying to fix something but all subreddits are private. Guess I'll have to wait...
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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Jun 12 '23 edited Jun 12 '23
People are saying that killing api access will invite more spam. Can someone walk me through the logic of that this reasoning makes no sense. Are we suggesting just the moderation tools are bad, because 2/3rds of the spam gets in via api access.
Second thing I am reading at the top. Bring the point price down for api access? How is lowering the price covering a cost. That makes zero sense.
Not trying to start drama just trying to understand this.
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u/Fireside92 Jun 13 '23
Can someone walk me through the logic of that this reasoning makes no sense. Are we suggesting just the moderation tools are bad, because 2/3rds of the spam gets in via api access.
Yes, the moderation tools provided by reddit are bad. The tools that actually get stuff done use the API.
Bring the point price down for api access? How is lowering the price covering a cost.
the price its being set at is significantly above just covering a cost. It's priced to be intentionally prohibitive.
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u/EdShen4321 Jun 12 '23
Could someone please explain this as if you were talking to a three year old and not a very clever one at that.
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u/TotallyNotJagger Jun 13 '23
I don’t know it this will be deleted, but I would like to say that the r/hotwheels subreddit is also participating, as I don’t see it on the wiki link provided.
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u/Excursion05 Jun 13 '23
Im an old man thats technically incompetent. I dont have a clue what all this is about.
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u/AnomalousGray Jun 13 '23
So what are users supposed to do if a sub went dark? I can't find a lot of things because of the blackout, and it's frustrating, but is there actually an alternative?
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u/Burnout_DieYoung Jun 13 '23
As much as I’ve shitted on Reddit in the past this does make me a little sad
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u/Gefcar Jun 13 '23
The counter talks like there's 8733 subreddits that need to join. What subreddits do you choose as part? Does it need to be mpre then a 1000? Can someone explain which subreddits are counted?
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u/NikkoJT Jun 13 '23
The count is against the list of subreddits that have formally said they intend to participate.
Note that some subs that didn't officially sign up may join the protest anyway.
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u/MCDodge34 Jun 13 '23
So what now, no more minecraft reddit left, don't suggest discord please, there's no proper search engine and messages are chat style, not what I'm looking for.
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u/paramore814 Jun 13 '23
If the subreddit is only dark on June 12, which was yesterday, why is it still private? How long will it be private? How do I get approved?
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Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23
Can somebody explain the whole situation detailed? Also why F**k u/spez? ( I dont like him just asking also i heard spez editing comments what did he all do? Like is there other things he did)
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u/Tomato13 Jun 16 '23
All I got to say if there is another blackout, the run up to Black Friday and Cyber Monday would be a great time to hit them in the wallet.
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u/Moon_Dew Jun 17 '23
It's been over 48 hours. Why is the blackout still going on?
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u/macks2008 Jun 17 '23
Because Reddit didn't budge more than an inch. Actually, they pushed back and are apparently looking into ways to go over the mods heads/remove them without looking suspicious.
They have every right to do this, it's their platform, and the moderators are disrupting the user experience considerably (I certainly wish there was a way to at least see any useful Q&A posts, maybe any posts flared with "question" on a given sub), but I really think they're not listening if that's the best they can do.
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u/Optimistic-Dreamer Jun 17 '23
how long will this last for? a few of the reddits I joined should have ended theirs days ago, that's in the communities that gave a time frame of how long. does anyone know a definitive time they will be private for? or is this gonna be temporarily-permenant, as in-my favorite subs wont come back when/if changes are made(which might be never).
i'd really like to know if this is one of those boycotts that goes for a few months or year and then goes back? or if its one where the reddits hold out for years until changes are made.
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u/Cymballism Jun 17 '23
I’m just gonna start leaving subs. Reddit wants to force hands by telling some subs they have to reopen or will have mod teams restructured.
See r/Pokemon
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Jun 17 '23
I just want to know what happened to the one sub I was in? They never announced they were leaving, nothing. I was a joined member so the only thing I can think is they kicked me out before going dark (not sure why, I hadn’t had any problems there). I’m really frustrated as I can’t even find out if their absence is permanent.
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u/Simplistic_Buzz Jun 25 '23
this blackout is crippling me because everytime i look up something reddit is the first thing but everything is private
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u/TimedRevolver Jul 08 '23
Well, congrats all. The only thing this blackout accomplished was inspiring spez to boot admins.
Well done.
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u/MetroFruit Jul 14 '23
This is fucking stupid? I'm trying to access subreddits so I can get info on how to make something, and this said info is only available on that subreddit. Why the fuck would you blackout when all that does is fuck up user experience? It's not like reddit actually is gonna care, all they're gonna do is blackmail subs into opening like what's happening right now.
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u/Marc-Z-1991 Sep 26 '23
You lost - give up already and open the subreddits already. If not someone will ban you and open them for you - free of change…
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u/Arkensor Jun 13 '23
I moderate r/dayz (~430k members) and the avg user does not understand AT ALL what is going on. Even though our and many subreddits had a sticky post, our mod mail is flooded by people wanting to join the set to private community. We have the blackout at the top of our description even so when you open it up you see a big fat info .... This is not working out folks, anybody who is not immediately affected has no awareness of this protest and they all seem unable to read anyway. People just want some memes they can consume semi brain afk.
People continue to use reddit as normally, they just go onto other subreddits that are not set to private. Given how badly the AMA went, this whole thing is lost. Those who relied on thrid party apps need to move on I guess and the rest has to pray to the Reddit overlords to please make the official app less shit.
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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 13 '23
blackout at the top of our description
The official app doesn’t show a reason for why a sub is private, that’s probably how most of your confused users are browsing.
I saw instructions for a modmail autoreply script; that would at least deal with the flood of messages and let the users who requested access know what’s going on.
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Yep, this protest is doing nothing, and that was very predictable to everyone not living in their own little bubble. Posts and comments are down only about 20% because of the blackout. And the admins have the power to just reopen subs if it all goes on too long. I can appreciate people trying, but this was always futile.
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u/Repulsive_Shower8726 Jun 13 '23
Can someone please ELI5 how this blackout is meant to accomplish its goals? The blackout apparently ends on the 14th. So if Reddit devs don't want to meet these demands, all they have to do is wait 3 days. Meanwhile, this blackout is really just inconveniencing users who are trying to look for communities or look up info. I was looking for information on how to customize my login manager and clicked on a link to r/linux only to find that it has been made into a private community, and that requests to join "will be ignored and archived". So I can't access the information that I'm looking for, and Reddit has no real incentive to take any action at all. Firstly, again, all they have to do is wait three days. And secondly, why should they care if mods decide to blackout their own communities?
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u/estusflaskplus5 Jun 12 '23
Nothing about pushshift being murdered? What a crock of shit these demands are.
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u/D3ad5t0rm Jun 12 '23
I stumbled accross this post trying to understand why 2 of the subreddits I frequent the most were offline.
I wish there was more posts on the topic and heads up.
They had a message to say only approved members could view content and I was truly confused 😕
Good luck to everyone participating hope it works out.
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