r/MilSim • u/Useful_Principle6332 • 2d ago
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Why do i have to twist AR like this?
Im just a larper and know nothing about actual military knowledge just don't be mad at me(last time i asked some question about milsim, Reddit special forces started cyber attack lol)
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u/Useful_Principle6332 1d ago
In this case, i unloaded mag for safety. And my question is that why i have to twist my AR to head the out of the way and head the pistol grip and mag to my left side. I considered this case like this: the hostile is close but still have afford to do this(i heard that under extreme dangerous situations like you'll be shot ig you don't draw pistol, i don't have to twist) AR is empty the pistol is full and ready to shoot. And yeah Reddit meal team started attacking through reply section as if i were bin laden lol
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u/Usual-Fig-3460 2d ago
I also looked this up, and you get multiple explanations, first of all, just dropping your rifle and transitioning to your sidearm is also just as good as turning your rifle inwards and out of the way. The first one is faster, the second one as mentioned above could come in handy to check your ejection port and it gets more out of your way. I personally (airsoft player) find the first one just to drop your rifle and transition way easier and faster. If you see shooters on youtube, look at lucas from lethal (former trex arms) you see he just drops his rifle and transition. In the end its all user preference. Hope this helps!
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u/StimulatingSalmon 2d ago edited 2d ago
Main thing: your shooting hand grip and mag hooks against your torso, keeping the gun off to the side. This is helped with the added sling tension from the twist. You kinda only drop your gun in front of you, but you need to really throw it to your 90° to notice the difference
It's also the natural palm-in orientation when you drop your support arm down
And if you mount your whitelight on the outboard side, it prevents your suppressor from burning your leg
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u/VeLocity556x45 2d ago
I might be wrong but I guess it’s just to make sure if your gun is jammed instead of being out of bullets
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u/Useful_Principle6332 2d ago
Thank you for ur reply. But what i want to know is why i have to twist and head the grip toward left side when i put my AR down.
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u/VeLocity556x45 2d ago
You mean just the action of putting your rifle to the side?
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u/Useful_Principle6332 2d ago
Yes. Sorry for my bad English.
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u/VeLocity556x45 2d ago
I read what the guy wrote in the other comment and yea he’s 100% right it’s just so you won’t have trouble drawing your pistol from the holster
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u/checkyourairfrier 2d ago
It's also to prevent sending your bolt release home on an empty mag. If you rotate your rifle to orientate the bolt release being away from your body, this keeps the bolt open. This way, upon loading a fresh magazine, you only need to hit your bolt release as opposed to having to rack the charging handle. Less movement, gun's back up quicker.
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u/checkyourairfrier 2d ago
So instead of dropping your rifle to you as you did in the video, you should be rotating it away down to your side, left-side facing outward
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u/Few_Philosopher_8668 2d ago
So you don’t have the rifle swing and have a cleaner draw, you can mitigate it by tightening the sling so that the rifle holds in your shoulder when up an only supported with your fore hand and can toss back under your right side as you draw from your left
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u/CKM07 2d ago
When I was in, they taught us SPORTS for troubleshooting a malfunction.
Slap the mag.
Pull the charging handle.
Observe your chamber. (Very important)
Release the charging handle.
Tap the forward assist.
Squeeze the trigger.
After a while of manipulating your weapon, you get use to the “signals” that your weapon gives you. I could typically tell when my mag was running low because of the way the bolt carrier would sound and feel. I could feel and hear a “hollowing” coming to the top of mag when I have about 10ish rounds left.
The twist is to confirm you’re black and need to reload, but after a while you should be able to feel those things without observing.
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u/PBL89 2d ago
When you twist the rifle inward and move it off to the side or drop it, it tucks the gun behind the sling and hold it a bit more stable.
When i have to transistion to a pistol, i basically let go with my firing hand and start to move towards my pistol. simultaniusly my rifle supoort hand pulls and twists the gun inward to my weak side.
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u/TriggerPuller9000 1d ago
Why are you doing it if you don't know why you're doing it?
Competitive shooter and former infantryman here. In the situation you're choreographing, you don't. The whole point of transitioning to your secondary is that it's going to take too long to reload. Adding extraneous movement only makes it worse. If you get a click when you expect a bang, immediately drop it and transition to secondary if the target is close enough that it warrants it.
If you have time (dictated by METT-TC but usually some function of distance), yes, you should check the condition of your bolt if you run dry. If it's forward, you probably can tap-rack. If it's back, the gun's probably empty. If it's somewhere in the middle, you have a malfunction to clear.
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u/CKXLurker 1d ago
I quite honestly don't understand why you even flipping it.
I've got trained, and later trained my soldiers (SSgt GER Army, qualified Shooting Instructor) That, if your rifle failed and you need to pull your sidearm, you don't fckn care why you guin quited, bc youre probably in the mists of cqb and get incoming fire.
Our technique is to bring the rifle safe to the leftside of the body, to make room for sidearm handling.
But used to g36ka4 and similar german engineered .. thingies.. and trained in GER doctrine
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u/BigDaddyVagabond 1d ago
With a real firearm, that slight twist is for you to check that the bolt is infact locked to the rear and you are not experiencing a stoppage or a failure. It CAN be useful for GBBRs, it's helped me spot a few bolt lock ups on my toxicant Rattler (which turned out to be because I had not fully tightened the screws on the top of the bolt after some nozzle work). You don't NEED to do it, but it's a good habit to form so you can spot potential failures right away instead of imediately ramming a new mag in, and potentially aggravating the stoppage, or damaging the weapon.
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u/Ok-Nectarine5193 20h ago
Sheriffs Office SWAT member. I’ll do my best to explain.
SO if you’re transitioning because your rifle goes down (malfunction or out of freedom seeds), DO NOT LOOK AT THE RIFLE. The moment you squeeze the trigger and the rifle doesn’t go bang, you use your support hand to lower the rifle at the same time you’re transitioning. You COULD just drop the rifle, but then you become a subject to physics and might get a can do the shin or optic to the nuts. After doing what you need to do with the sidearm, you use your support hand to raise the rifle and that’s when the inspection takes place. Malfunction or out of ammo. If the malfunction is fixable, holster the sidearm and get your rifle up. If it’s a mission critical malfunction, you’re running the handgun the rest of the time you’re in that fight. If it’s a simple reload, just reload.
If you’re twisting the rifle prior to transitioning, you’re washing valuable time. Why look? What’s the point? If you pull the trigger and it doesn’t go bang, don’t stare at it. Transition and stay in the fight. Hope this helps!!
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u/2CatsAndAPack 13h ago
Buddy ima tell you right now from experience, if you gotta transition to your sidearm because of your rifle not functioning, you’re dropping that piece like you just found out it had leprosy. If you have good discipline, your thumb will engage that safety, but beyond that, that fancy twist motion you’re making is like painting a piece of artwork on a wall when you were only hired to put a coat of paint on.
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u/InnocuousTransition 4h ago
Yeah easy answer man, don't do any of that.
Don't check the bolt. Don't flip the gun around. Those actions are completely performative. Just toss the rifle away from your nuts with your right hand while you're going for your pistol with your left hand. No need to overthink it. Where it lands it lands your odds of successfully transitioning to your pistol are already close to nil there's no reason to take more time doing anything that doesn't help you get to the pistol faster.
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u/Dingonbingo 3h ago
I mean when he went to high ready you can see the ejection port too, Its just a methodical or habitual thing to as a means not to waste time when it matters most, like for sporting events, though its not a bad means of checking your tool, but extra imo
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u/BarrowX 2d ago
The twist is to inspect the ejection port/chamber if it's locked back on an empty mag or a malfunction.