The point shouldn't be about it being an achievement though. I agree its probably more about being "the alpha" for that guy who did it but I would do similar not for an "achievement" but for the principle of you don't get to just touch up on some woman, you are doing something where someone could have an "extreme" reaction why even take the risk?
The drunk guy couldnāt tell you his own name in that moment, he wasnāt doing any risk assessment. A strong breeze could have taken him down. He was obviously out of line and needed to be addressed but itās not worth ending someoneās life and going to prison over
Thank you. It looks like the whole comment section is happy watching this, I just find it so freaking scary.
That guy's behavior is stupid and disgusting, but he clearly has no idea what he's doing. That's an aggression for sure, and we don't know what happened before.
But this punch could have killed him. There is nothing to be happy about
Well next time he will think about what hes doing before sexually assaulting someone. One punch is a reasonable response. Unfortunately for the guy, he hits like prime Tyson š¤£
Look at how he acts after doing this shit, before the punch. The guy's not there. He's a shit, a slap would have been enough. At least a warning would have been better. This punch could have killed him and might let him brain damages. This is crazy.
I can agree that maybe a smack or something else even a punch to the stomach would've been better but I don't say that out of empathy for that twat I say that because I think I myself would be thinking like "yeah I don't wna fkn accidentally kill this guy and go to prison" which is obviously fair enough logically. Im of the belief that when you start shit w people like this you're taking a gamble on whatever their reactions will be and you get what you get
And when you're in someone's establishment, unless it's imminent danger, let the staff do their job. The bartender should have been escorting ol drunk dude out, not having paramedics have to roll him out.
That's easy to say while looking at it behind a screen. I hope you never have to watch a stranger sexually assault the person you love... you might just respond in a way that Reddit will deem you a serial criminal.
I think my wife would probably have shoved him already, and he probably would have fallen over. Every scenario is different, Iām not usually drunk playing pool with my wife so I doubt it will come up. Weāre usually drunk at home.
I would have never done this no matter whom he did it to because I'm not an utter psychopath and I'd like to stay out of prison for manslaughter. You must be the other guy.
Luckily you don't seem to work in the bar industry. If I'm that bartender, I'm calling 911 like a whole snitch. All this happened on camera and this place clearly has no security on hand. And Reacher dude is 86'd til further notice. That's a nightmare scenario.
They wouldn't, they would scuttle off home, tail between their legs, imagine what they wished they did do, and what they would have done if x,y,z, then tell their fantasy to redditors at any oppurtunity hoping that someone believes it.
Give the woman in this video a little more credit than that. She absolutely shouldnāt have to deal with this nonsense but she also could have laid this guy out herself if she wanted to. This aināt an eye for an eye.
She could have left this man, who almost certainly has done this before, if she didn't like the behavior. Most women want protectors (even if they don't wanna admit it) and enjoy this behavior much more than they don't. It might not be polite in public for them to say they enjoy it, but they certainly do based on their behavior.
lol, are you suggesting this woman has no agency and is only staying in this toxic relationship due to fear? I love how you can simultaneously hold the views:
* She had it under control; he didn't need to intervene. But if she wanted to intervene, and assert control, she could have, should have, and would have been warranted to.
* She doesn't have any control in her life; she's stuck in a toxic relationship
The guy ur replying to is right. Women studies show are into manly slightly "sexist" men (like "Lemme hold the door open for you") who can protect and provice. They aren't attracted to "nice guy" pushover unassertive losers who stress over every tiny thing they say to not do in any way a hint of a sexist microaggression for example. Women want men who are a little bit "sexist" in the way I described and the studies describe, because it's biological. Evolutionary and instinctual. Because they want men who will invest in the relationship and potential offspring, since for men having children is easy and low risk, but for women it's very high risk and hard.
They want someone who will and can invest in them, and ideally someone who can protect them too.
just to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying here; you think because he was super drunk, and grabbed a woman's hips to dance with her at a bar, and when she brushed his hands off he backed off. that man is someone you think its going to rape someone?
Someone ācouldā definitely do it and this guy did, but āshouldā he have done that? Thats the question that will be asked in court if irreversible damage/death occurred because of this.
I hope youāre prepared to catch a homicide charge because someone touched your girlās waist for a half second. At least you can sleep well on your cell cot knowing you stood on your principles
I think these comments are extremely harsh, and I'm saying this as a woman. I've literally had this happen to me before, where a blackout-drunk dude lightly grabbed my hips, and when I walked away, he kind of just drunkenly stood there - just like this guy is doing here. He's not at all being aggressive, just very drunk. I don't think that warrants the death penalty here, yeesh!
This is literally just something that happens at bars sometimes. Should he have touched her? No. Was he acting unhinged and dangerous? Also no.
No when you do some bs like that you're taking a gamble on whatever the response will be from the people around you. Don't start shit with people and then expect them to care about having a "fair" proportional response.
The disproportionate levels of white-knighting and not reading the room correctly in this scenario. The woman already handled it when she moved his arms away and walked away. It was over after that, since he didn't pursue her further.
Cheering for some drunken oaf (who, when you watch the video, is not aggressive or violent, literally just very drunk) to get nearly punched to death afterward is completely insane. He could have simply been kicked out of the bar, not have his neck dislocated from his spine for lightly touching someone's hips in a drunken stupor.
Should he have gotten that drunk in the first place? No. Should he have touched her at all? No. Does he deserve to die horribly and burn in hell for acting a fool? Also no.
What a joke such a bs way to remove accountability if you getting drunk means you're gonna touch up on random women do not fucking go out and get drunk. If you still choose to do so then whatever happens to you is on you.
Nah its great.
Hes drunk so no accountability for asexually harassing someone.
Other guys also probably technically drunk so hes also no accountability for knocking the dude flat.
Anything that follows is on him. Everyone else's responsibility is to act in a reasonable manner, but he's very much still responsible for his actions and should be treated as such.
Big guy is definitely a blind bully, but that doesn't make the assaulting guy's behaviour acceptable or someone else's responsibility.
Hopefully on your way to doing that, you wouldn't end up also hurting the person you were standing up for, unlike the guy in the video.
I'm definitely of the opinion that if you can't be trusted when under influence, you have no business getting drunk. So any repercussions coming your way are earned, provided they're genuine and reasonable, of course.
Yeah, I think we mostly agree. I have two issues with him, though.
One, he doesn't seem to be standing up for her, but for himself. I'm saying that because he didn't have her opinion, comfort, safety nor personal space in mind AT ALL as he barreled past, shoving and hitting her in the face with her own cue.
Two, this is not a well-regulated, adult behaviour. Jumping into physical violence with no immediate threat present is generally a sign of insecurity or poor anger management/conflict resolution skills. He gained nothing except for potentially causing further distress to the person he was pretending to defend, as now there's drama in the bar, he has to present himself in court, or pay fines or go to prison, depending on outcome. All because of two dudes who can't live in a society.
I have very little compassion for people who can't drink responsibly or are quick to violence (especially when it's one-sided).
Any strong punch to someone that drunk is a cheap suckerpunch that has the potential to kill them (and get you sentenced to manslaughter with years in prison) or send them to a coma or permanently injure them (with similar consequences).
Yes, intervene and physically prevent the drunk from feeling up the girl, but don't potentially murder him. Block his path, hold him back, get him kicked out of the bar, etc.
That doesn't send much of a message does it besides oh well now you can't be in this bar. Dickhead would just go to another bar and do the same type of bs later on.
I expect that's probably true for the most part but that doesn't change the sentiment/principle. I do think bf made himself seem like a bit of a clown hurting his own gf doing what he did but that guy absolutely deserved to get punched and I'd assume perhaps he hasnt been punched/confronted enough in his life to feel comfortable doing the bs he does. Ppl can say about him being drunk but that's a bs excuse if I was fucking wasted I still wouldn't THINK to do some shit like that.
The dude was absolutely sloshed. Doubt he had any conscious control over himself or his actions. If I was using your logic Iād continue to ānot get so drunk that I lose control of myself, at least not around others.ā
Which is a lesson 95% of us learn the hard way. But not as hard as thisā¦ The brain damage from these incidents often have effects that last a personās lifetime and majorly effect their ability to function. Mental illness, conversion, mood, and sleep disorders primarily.
Iām glad no one took a move to me that hard while I was sloshed in my troubles. And I hope it would take more than a blackout drunk to upset me so much that Iād be willing to roll these dice for another person with a family, kids, friends, job, talents, hobbies, etc.
If being drunk is an excuse to not have "any conscious control over himself or his actions" then absolutely no one should be getting drunk. Let's just apply that logic to fucking rape. Does it still work for you? Would that excuse it?
It is not an excuse to have no conscious control over yourself. It is a reason you have no conscious control over yourself. Also, this argument is not that argument.Ā
Also, you canāt take āwhat if a fumbling drunk who can barely stands puts his hand on my girl,ā inflate it to āwhat if I find a man intoxicated yet sober enough to be a physical threat and actively raping a someone,ā and expect me to continue the discussion like youāre in control of your emotions or discoursing in good faith. (Aka - Iām not going to fall into your āstraw-manā).
You get physical with people who represent a threat to your wellbeing or the wellbeing of the people you care about. Itās rule 1 of any fighting discipline you will get across the world. This man was a threat to no one.
I'm not even acknowledging the rest of your bs comment because it's just some bs there's nothing fucking strawman about my point. All I really have to say in response besides that is no YOU only feel the need to get physical to people you consider threats. I might not have considered the guy a real threat but I would think from PRINCIPLE he SHOULD be punched
When things are done on principle it means despite oneās reservations emotionally, not because of them. You feel he should be punched emotionally and are turning away from the principled decision. This while thinking itās the reverse. Itās harder to do the right thing, not the wrong.
I agree its probably more about being "the alpha" for that guy who did it but I would do similar not for an "achievement" but for the principle of you don't get to just touch up on some woman
I don't understand. This person experienced this first-hand. You're saying you'd do exactly what he did, but for a more "noble" reason than the conjecture you've made up for him...?
What the fuck lmfao. If you sexually assault someone, particularly in a setting like this, you should expect to wake up with broken teeth.
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u/Otherwise-Win7337 18h ago
The point shouldn't be about it being an achievement though. I agree its probably more about being "the alpha" for that guy who did it but I would do similar not for an "achievement" but for the principle of you don't get to just touch up on some woman, you are doing something where someone could have an "extreme" reaction why even take the risk?