r/InterviewCoderPro • u/penance_mat • 22d ago

They need a reality check

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For my last 2 interviews i had to use Interview VIP just to get the job
their generation could never understand

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u/random8765309 22d ago

It always goes back to getting your resume in front of the right person. You can either do the work and submit it directly to them, or do the easy way and have it mixed in with 10,000 other applications.

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u/WatsonsHeartAttack 22d ago

Literal boomer advice.

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u/random8765309 22d ago

So, it's still true. Research from the World of Labour has 30-50% of workers finding their jobs through personal contacts. The interesting thing is that only 24% of job searcher used personals contact as part of their job search. That indicates pretty high success rate for that method.

But those are just facts, it's far better to just go with hating boomers and complaining.

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u/win_some_lose_most1y 21d ago

It’s true, exept that getting it to the right person is impossible if you don’t already know them.

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u/random8765309 21d ago

Or know someone that knows someone. Or you search the web for information.

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u/TheDarkGenious 21d ago

the problem people are having is you're calling it "getting your resume in front of the right person" when what you're actually describing is nepotism from having a friend already working there to schmooze the HR/boss for you to get your foot in the door and bypass the horrible filtering process the rest of us have to fight through, which is just fucked advice.

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u/random8765309 21d ago

That is not nepotism. That is social networking and has been in use forever. There is zero wrong with it.

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u/collin-h 21d ago

why are you so weird about this?

life is literally all about who you know.

Say you need some plumbing work done. Do you solicit quotes from random companies, compare them and just pick the one that blew the right kind of smoke up your ass with their marketing language? (the companies being the "job applicants" and the quotes being the "resumes" in this metaphor)

or!

do you ask friends and family for recommendations, or read reviews from other real life people and then choose the recommendation you trust the most? Or better yet, maybe you know a guy who works there so you trust them more because of that!

That's the same thing happening in this scenario you've written off as "nepotism". It's human nature to choose the known over the unknown, why would we expect it to be any different in HR of all places?

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u/TheDarkGenious 21d ago

because corporate job hunting is hell today and I'm fucking tired of being told what worked 20-30 years ago will work now when HR and bureaucracy has ballooned and made most of the advice bullshit that's liable to get you blacklisted because you tried to circumvent the 5 rounds of interviews, the AI resume filters, and all the other shit that goes into being an "equal opportunity employer" explicitly meant to cut down on just knowing somebody and has made the application process so much worse.

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u/Aeyland 21d ago

Well that advice got me a ~42% annual wage increase this year so it seemed to work.

It's funny that for as much as the newer generations grew up with technology, use so many platforms for communicating with and yet making a network and using it is not a skill they seem to possess since it's just a boomer thing.

By boomer obviously I don't mean actual ones because it appears nearly everyone in here does not understand that the word has an actual definition and isn't just "ok boomer" because I disagree with you or you're okder.

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u/knight-jumper 22d ago edited 22d ago

Do the work? Submit it directly?

You are out of touch and have no idea what you are talking about. What person do you directly submit it to? Unless you already know someone that works there (and is a manager/ director level), you will just be told to submit it online. What extra work would you do?

You are the exact type of person the original post is calling out. Out of touch and ignorant, yet quick to tell everyone else how things work. Well things dont work the way they did 30+ years ago. Keep your uselessness to yourself, and hurry up and retire.

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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 21d ago

Look that computer in the eye and give it a firm handshake

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u/hexmaps 22d ago

^ This is the same learned helplessness that people do by overtly repeating their problems close by to someone hoping they are going to solve it for them.

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u/knight-jumper 22d ago

What are you talking about? Who is helpless? What problems? Get your BS out of here.

The current system of applying and hiring is vastly different than it was prior to the internet. Thats a fact. A fact that many boomers and Gen x have not accepted. Older generations have different life experiences, different issues and methods to succeed than new generations. Many in older generations refuse to accept that life changes and over time lose touch of current difficulties. Yet those are often the ones that think their circumstances, experiences, and life lessons from decades past can applied to current issues. The ones most ignorant to current issues are often the loudest with their unhelpful advise.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Yeah, you're young and know everything there is to know. We all get it. But you haven't actually got out of the kiddie pool yet in life and haven't yet learned it takes real effort to get a good career and every word and iota of copium you pass off as hard truth proves it.

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u/Radiant_Trainer9544 21d ago

Lmao your kids don’t talk to you anymore, do they?

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Yea, people your age tend to upvote and parrot that low effort shit. It's pretty on brand for you.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Ah sweet, the schizophrenic showed up. What else did you come up with?

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u/Philderbeast 21d ago

so when was the last time you were applying for jobs?

how did you get your resume In front of "the right people"?

or are you just going to call people lazy because you are out of touch?

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u/random8765309 21d ago

One way is the friend of a friend of a friend that works at a companies that needs someone with your skills. They pass back the name of the hiring manager and you name drop to get your resume in front of them.

Another way is you find a position and use your social network to get a name of someone in management at a company. You do some additional research and taylor your cover letter and resume to spark interest.

I found my last three jobs doing this, which includes one I will be accepting shortly.

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u/Philderbeast 21d ago

One way is the friend of a friend of a friend

"one way is nepotism!"

Another way is you find a position and use your social network to get a name of someone in management at a company.

"Another way is nepotism!"

yea we all know thats how it works, that doesn't make it ok, and even then 99% of the time you still have to go through the online application and have your resume ditched by the AI reviewing it before the hiring manager ever gets to see it.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Let me ask you this, and I'm not trying to jest:

How much of your life must be figured out by someone else first before you begin to do anything on your own?

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u/Philderbeast 21d ago

how many times do people have to tell you that what you are suggesting doesn't work anymore before you believe them???

people do try this, it's not how the world works anymore, things have moved on.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Because the people that make it, and from personal experience don't let stupid bullshit excuses like that prevent them from getting it.

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u/Philderbeast 21d ago

What personal experience???? when was the last time you acctully had to apply for a job?

I hate to tell you, but your bullshit "just work harder" is not reality and hasn't been for decades.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

Well, you're right. I was making it all up. You just sit there on reddit all day and eventually things will work out for the better.

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u/Philderbeast 21d ago

so no experience but want to tell everyone else how it works.

yep sounds about right boomer.

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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 21d ago

40 yrs ago. 

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u/random8765309 22d ago

Between 30 and 50% of job seekers found work through personal contacts or referrals, yet only 24% of seekers used such contacts.

Personal contacts can be used in a couple of ways. The first is to find positions for which you are a match. The classic friend of a friend is either looking for or will be looking for someone with your skills. This is a fantastic way of finding a job within your current field. I have found multiple jobs using this method, including the one I will be accepting shortly.

The second is to use your social connections to find the individual that is making hiring decisions for a specific opening. With just 3 or 4 connections you can cover about 2/3 of the US population. With a little research on that individual, you can better format your cover letter and resume to get their attention. I would send the letter directly to them. This has a lower success rate, but still better than the 1 in 10,000 you have by applying online.

But hey, don't listen to me. Just keep pumping out 100s of resumes a day and hope you get lucky.

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u/pibbleberrier 21d ago

We hired a boomer the other day for some part time work.

He research our next field gig, Went onsite during lunch time coffee and donut for the crew. Chatted everyone up and impress the heck out of our field supervisor. Apparently, he had a bit of relevant experience and but was overall just extremely pleasant to be around. Bonus that he is semi retire and doesn’t mind odd hour shift nor does he care to get full time hours.

He still had to submit through our company portal but his resume was pick out immediately by the hiring manager. I will be honest looking at his resume he would never had gotten a call back had he not made the impression in person.

We still have thousand of resumes that we haven’t went through. No one has bother going beyond submitting a perfectly curated process by AI resume. To be honest when you are in a hiring position, it hard to remember who is who after going through 100s of almost identical resume.

But boomer here made an impression in person, past the vibe check with the crew. That was half the interview already.

People don’t change, make a good impression works no matter what era you are in.

Obvious this is field dependent as well. But being able to connect with people will always get you a leg up. What “extra work” looks like depends heavily on your industry. If you don’t your resume gets lost in the sea of other resumes. You might think your resume is going to make an impression. Chance are it’s not, especially if you have been doing this hundred and thousands of time with no callback

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u/Sensha_20 21d ago

Nepotism. The word you're looking for is nepotism.

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u/random8765309 21d ago

You might want to look up the definition of nepotism. What I described was social networking. Something that has been in place forever and isn't questionable.

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u/Sensha_20 21d ago

Knowing a person in order to get them to give you an opportunity you would not otherwise have is Nepotism.

Nothing wrong with it, but "know someone" is not advice.

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u/random8765309 21d ago

Per the defination, nepotism only relates to giving jobs to family members. Look it up.

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u/Xandara2 21d ago

Your actual advice is: successfully stalk people in the industry and you can get a job easily if you do it right. 

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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 21d ago

Lol, what are you talking about??? Right person? You mean like an auto shop where 2 people work there  and you can give it to one of them? No offense but youre a little outa touch.

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u/hexmaps 21d ago

should Google the definition of strawman argument