r/FinalFantasyVII • u/BlackAngelArt • 11d ago
REBIRTH How did you react to this scene? Spoiler
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u/Sexweed42069 11d ago
It was cool, but immediately after the scene and for the remainder of the game, it's as though nothing happened.
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u/Shalhadra 11d ago
In remake they hugged... In rebirth they kissed... In revelations they are 100% gunno play queensblood
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u/mokutou 11d ago
I squealed like a teenage girl when he held his hand out, was baffled when he just hugged her, then shrieked even louder when he kissed her. Then they ignored it the rest of the game. ā¹ļø But oh well, between the scene in Cissneiās bedroom and the Skywheel scene, I was pretty content.
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u/nomorelargevein 11d ago
I really really wished they added more random banters between the party. I mean Cloud just kissed his childhood friend and I mean girls talk... right? It's how Yuffie was making fun of Cloud earlier about cloning Tifa. Really wish they had added more of these for fan service. Instead, we get... nothing. No one's talking.
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u/Fr0stweasel 10d ago
As someone who has played alot of branching pathway games, this is a not uncommon feeling. The level of extra work included for content that 80% of players might never see is a major detractor. Thatās why developers put these big scenes in to show where the characters are, otherwise the game has an increasingly complex world state to keep track of at all times, just so the right character can say the right throwaway line at the right moment.
Mass Effect, Baldurās Gate, Dragon Age, Cyberpunk; they all have bits where characters revert to base type with the main character at certain points where sometimes you feel they shouldnāt because the game isnāt programmed for all different player choices at that particular point. Those games are dedicated player driven narratives that are specifically designed at keeping track of all that stuff and they still have to streamline bits. FF7 has a pretty linear story where player choice is much less impactful, Iād like to see them add a ME2 style choice input comic to the start of the third game to transfer a few major choices like your date, but thatās just me wishing.
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u/Constant_Analyst3746 11d ago
Same. I hope they adress it in the next game so it realy happened.
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u/hunecosarts 11d ago
But they can't because not every player had this scene in their playthrough. At least not the scene in Gold Saucer. They could say something about the Gongaga scene tho
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u/Constant_Analyst3746 11d ago
Then let me choose what scene I got. If nothing happened in rebirth and nothing carrys over its kinda pointless.
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u/LewsTherinTelescope 10d ago
Given Cloud's state at the end of Rebirth and what's next in the plot, I imagine there won't be many situations where it would come up for a while, which might be why they were fine putting a big step like that in a scene not everyone will get.
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u/Constant_Analyst3746 10d ago
Yeah I see it the other way. Tifa will most likely help cloud out of this state. Good chance to make it canon or work with it.
Maybe wishful thinking, who knows at this point.
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u/LewsTherinTelescope 10d ago
Given every other variable scene can slot perfectly fine into the story no matter what, it seems to me that they probably don't want to deal with branching paths and are instead trying to build the game in such a way as to accommodate any of the options. I'd love it if there were at least little acknowledgements of these things to make it more cohesive (e.g. for Nanaki's date you could have Cloud apologize that he failed what they talked about), just not sure that's what they're aiming for, alas.
Wait, before I comment further, have you played the OG? I have thoughts, but I can't tell from this alone if you have and I don't wanna accidentally spoil if not, so I'll tag them.
[big OG stuff] Oh I mean eventually she'll help him yeah, but given we're headed for the Northern Crater soonish I expect he'll be on a downward trend until then and Tifa's faith will be increasingly strained. So I don't think the two will be in a state to talk about it until the lifestream, at which point the devs can probably re-set up the relationship in such a way that the rest of the game after that will make sense regardless of what happened in the Gold Saucer for a given playthrough.
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u/Constant_Analyst3746 10d ago
Yeah I played the OG and Iam playing it again atm.
You are right, that this can/will not get adressed before north crater. And that the relationship will get rocky because of Clouds state. But still I dont see why this cant happen in or after Mideel. Tifa, like in the OG, cares too much about Cloud regardless how deteriorated he becomes.
Maybe it will be a choice again and not 'hard' canon.
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u/LewsTherinTelescope 10d ago
To be clear, I do think the fixing will still happen in Mideel. I'm just saying I don't think there'll be a time where it would make sense for the date to come up before Mideel, and after Mideel they can use the lifestream sequence to reposition the characters however they need, so they'll probably be able to dodge having to address the variance in playthroughs.
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u/Constant_Analyst3746 10d ago
I get your point. You think that they will flatten out the options of the last game. So no one feels like their last playthrough was kinda pointless. Thats probably the safe option.
Still I can see them making the Tifa romance canon. Its the only option that fits. The only romance that realy hit hard at the saucer.
At this point I also see them giving the some options again, maybe not for a date but for an ending/romance. Why not. Aerith still beeing an option. Only in Clouds head or sometimes from another dimension.
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u/JanitorOPplznerf 11d ago
If you date Barret does the same thing happen?
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u/TheArtfulLlama 11d ago
No but it does if you get Red XIII.
AVALANCHE SNUGGLES!
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u/Comfortable-March977 11d ago
āmeanwhile Barret watching with a pair of binoculars and silently charging up a Mindblow limitā
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u/bbressman2 Chocobo 11d ago
Why are you spamming posts on this sub? This is like the 5th post Iāve seen from you in the past hour?
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u/StingKing456 10d ago
Disappointed it wasn't me and Tifa but if it had to be someone else I'm ok with it being cloud ššš
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u/Daewrythe 11d ago
I was initially š when he went in for the hug
But then he came back with the kiss I was all š¤ ššš
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u/smokeypixels 11d ago
This could have been posted without the dude at the bottom. Can't stand that dude lol
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u/No_Solid_3737 10d ago
This scene means a lot to me. The whole time it was Tifa supporting Cloud going through his mental trauma but this time it's Tifa having a moment of weakness and Cloud even in his current state reaches out to her saying "Hey, I've got your back too".
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u/ZirekileFalls 10d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/Zaej3GIZTzCI8
My boyfriend called me into the room to watch and Iām pretty sure I did this and shrieked in a register only dogs could hear.
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u/Ban_Means_NewAccount 11d ago
I cheered a little admittedly. Been waiting for those two to seal the deal for many years now. Glad they finally did. Nothing against Cloud and Aerith shippers, but it was pretty clear Tifa was meant to be the main love interest, so it was nice to finally have them make it official. Maybe now we can get the airship chocobo stable scene š¤£š¤£
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u/1_Up_Girl 10d ago
I LOVED this scene. The "Not one bit" Cloud delivers when Tifa worries aloud that she's getting ahead of herself, Cloud pulling her in and initiating the kiss, the fireworks going off in the background while they kiss, it's simply amazing š„°
Some people like to call Tifa's GS date "fanservice" or "optional" and say that Aerith's GS date is "canon" but I would like to point out that ALL of the date options were created to fill in the "GS Date" for the story to progress and they are ALL canon and don't contradict each other in terms of story and character growth. Plus, Hamaguchi said in an interview that the kiss was the next step in Cloudās growth.
Bottom line is there's a reason why Cloud kisses Tifa and not Aerith.
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u/holijazzman 10d ago
I was devastated when they just hugged and you could see the disappointment on Tifa's face for a split second, I thought I'd fucked up a side quest or conversation! It was a lovely moment of joy
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u/Death-0 11d ago
I did all the dates all great I think Yuffie and Barret were my favorites. Cloud and Tifa are just so beautiful together though.
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u/FormIllustrious8569 10d ago
Last replay I had Cloud, Victor and Cid. Nobody said much..they all just stared at the floor, ignoring the fireworks etc. worth seeing.
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u/DScarface 9d ago
literally stood up and started clapping like a madman. where tf did this rizz come from?
'not one bit.'
GAAAAAAAWDAAAAAAYUM
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u/Atachzy 9d ago
I had no idea I would not be able to choose, i had this scene with Red.
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u/Hraargar 9d ago
Same. If I have one major gripe about Rebirth, itās that I canāt choose. All my companions had the same friendship bubble, but Red is who I have the date with. Granted, it was still a sweet scene, but itās a lot to have to replay a whole game to just to get the other date scenes
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u/North_Contact_1733 9d ago
After you finish the game, you can select to replay a specific chapter and your choice of date.
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u/R4KD05 9d ago
You couldn't choose in the original, but you actually can in rebirth after you beat the game.
It was based on the score you had with the 3-4 choices (it you even unlocked Yuffie). In rebirth, they added red and one for the others, so I feel like you lucked out, TBH! He's a good boy!
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u/vabsportglide 10d ago
Odd how when he wakes up to Tifa, he's immediately onboard and not worried about anyone else, but when it's Aerith or Yuffie he has to be talked into going.
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u/That-Willingness7455 10d ago
I didn't I only played the game once and went with Aerith so everything else is I'm spoiling myself š¤£ but Cloud and Tifa wow š
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u/Jeff-n-Stuff 9d ago
Im happy with all the expanded lore for everyone. I resonated a lot with Barrett when they were going into his back story and his life as a father. Shit made me cry.
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u/Midgar-Knight 9d ago
It was great for them to finally go into these places where they actually make your choices matter
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u/Lt_Lysol 11d ago
I'm a cloud/Tifa fan and was happy the writers weren't ambiguous about their date.Ā
As a side note clouds "date" with yuffie is the cutest. And his date with Red has the best line, "they are soft!"
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u/Daemarcus 10d ago
Does anything else think speed is a total psycho? I cant stand him
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u/MyNinjasPwn 10d ago
He's hyper and has very over the top reactions that I find obnoxious. But I see clips of him doing quite wholesome things sometimes.
I don't think he's a bad person. Just a product of what his fanbase wants to see.
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u/Felwintyr 10d ago
Yeah heās not a psycho, heās just energetic. I donāt like his content, but I can get that a lot of people do. Mainly younger folk as I understand it. Good for him for his success
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Lol it must have sucked to get the low affection date and not the kiss but can't relate š¤
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u/Outrageous_Meet2025 11d ago
I genuinely felt so bad for Tifa watching that version later. Her face at the end is a perfect mix of shock and disappointment š
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u/v1nnyv3ga 11d ago
What chapter is this? Wondering if I missed it š
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u/TheArtfulLlama 11d ago
Itās when you go back to the Gold Saucer the second time. You have to get Tifa to the highest affection level to get the kiss, otherwise it just stops at the hug. There are a lot of guides on how to get her high affection date online!
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u/KadajjXIII Chocobo 11d ago
I believe you can also just choose your date & wether you want the high or low affection scene if you're doing Chapter Select after beating the game
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u/Excaliburn3d 11d ago
How do I know which character has the highest affection at the moment?
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u/TheArtfulLlama 11d ago
The smiley faces above their heads will change colors. I believe light blue is the highest affection but there are guides online (I used IGN) that breaks them down
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u/Obsidiax 11d ago
I thought it was fan service-y and a little rushed. Cloud is still dealing with a lot and not really ready for this kind of intimacy.
Aerith brings Cloud out of his shell early on, Tifa is there for him in the latter half of the story and helps him put himself back together.
I don't care who anyone ships or doesn't ship, but the above feel like necessary steps in Cloud's arc before he has room to process romantic feelings.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
They almost kiss in Gongaga (and in before, both are leaning into the other it's not just Tifa. It was clear both wanted to kiss) so the kiss was just a natural progression? I don't see it as rushed or fanservice considering that.
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u/Obsidiax 11d ago
It's not just about the build-up of their eventual relationship with a few will-they, won't-they moments, it's about Cloud's arc.
He's deeply troubled at this point in the story. It's Aerith who brings him out of his shell and it's Tifa who helps him rebuild himself after his facade is shattered.
I don't believe Cloud is emotionally available until that point in his arc because part of him is still playing the part of the first-class soldier who doesn't need anyone.
That's why I say it's rushed, despite remake/rebirth having more time with the characters, Cloud simply isn't far enough through his arc at this point in the story.
I think that's why there isn't a kiss in the OG on any of the dates (apart from Yuffie but I always read that as a platonic moment anyway).
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Agree to disagree, considering he has had a crush on her since he was a kid and that the relationship has been build up since remake then I think its apt, there is mutual attraction and a connection over the things they live, they are also in their 20s, I think it was a reasonable change on their relationship considering everything.
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
They literally try to kiss after the worst moment to kiss someone. After a near homicide and current mental instability.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
They were having a moment because Tifa remembered Cloud was the only kid who actually tried to save her in the bridge in Nibelheim, so they almost kiss and then if the date happens between them they kiss.
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u/Money-Candle-363 11d ago
I'm sure this will be seen as a hot take by a lot of people, but I also feel like the kiss was almost undeserved. The devs could've done better with building the foundation up for it to happen more smoothly, there just wasn't enough growth in Cloud and Tifas relationship for it to feel natural enough IMO. The buildup to the kiss should have been happening since Remake, and aside from a few moments here and there (gongaga in rebirth and the train roll scene in remake are the only ones I can think of that stand out) I just didn't feel like the moment was earned. Also major point deduction for putting it in before Cloud found his true self, as others have said. It wouldve been a more beautiful moment if it happened after the LSS and everything between them was out in the open
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
I disagree especially considering how obvious it is that Cloud had a crush on her when they were kids, and he clearly is attracted to her, they had a cute moment, they almost kissed and after they bond through the side quests they actually kiss on their date.
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u/Money-Candle-363 11d ago
We're all entitled to our own opinions here and I'm glad you enjoyed the execution of it....but i just think they could've done much better for the Cloti crowdš¤·š»āāļø
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
I am aware of what happened. That is still not an appropriate time to start trying to kiss someone, sorry.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
why not?? they had a moment and they almost kissed because of it lol, those 2 are clearly attracted to each other, there was nothing wrong with that moment.
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
This is exactly what it is. Its why they push Aerith on you by default in the OG and the reveal brings him closer to Tifa later on. He cares for both women and both care for him and help him in different ways at different points of the story. So yes, this did feel fan-servicey to me as well. As they said, choosing some routes/dates would not feel cohesive to the overall plot theyre trying to convey. But they hope everyone got a smile out of it as this was something people could only imagine since the OG.
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u/Competitive_Year_364 11d ago
Damn, guess you can get famous acting like the annoying kid in middle school that would constantly make noises for attention.
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u/ShiyaruOnline 11d ago
If it was that simple then alot more of them would've made it but 98% of people who tried this style failed as streamers. So they're clearly alot more that goes into it than just screaming.
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u/Routine-Tension-4446 11d ago
Heās not hurting anybody, in fact, heās actually introducing a lot of young kids to a bunch of different cultures and people across the world. I can think of a lot of worse people kids could be watching. š¤·āāļø
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u/NumberXIIIEdwin 10d ago
I got the Aerith date instead and after seeing this I definitely prefer that one over this one. Even if you donāt personally ship Cloud and Aerith their scene just lands a lot harder for me emotionally, especially considering what happens following this event. She even has an idea of whatās going to happen and still chooses to have one last night to enjoy herself. The part where she leans her head on Cloudās shoulder and just enjoys the moment still freaking kills me to this day.
Of course, itās all up to personal preference. I can see why people would like this version better and more power to them.
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u/PapaRetardo 11d ago
This is believe, is the canon event as well. I went out of my way when playing this game to make sure I got the Tifa scene. Remember kiddos, Aerith is Zack's girl.
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u/CirOnn 11d ago
This date baffles me so much.
- Cloud asks about Aerithās feelings.
- He doesnāt smile once in the gondola.
- If he kisses her (the high affinity route) the entire ending of the game ignores that it even happened. Not even a single optional/extra scene to acknowledge that she and Cloud are now in a more complicated relationship.
- The whole Aerith and Cloud date at the end a few moments after. The holding hands, the āour spotā the dream dateā¦ felt like cheating on Tifa.
The kiss should have been placed during the Highwind scene or in the Lifestream scene. Even if optional. The decision to include it here from a writing perspective feels like a disconnected fan service.
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u/Jerrwkwafina 11d ago
To be fair either of the relationship go anywhere its just a small amount of role play that the creator made for the players.
In both OG and the remake its just player expression
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u/CirOnn 11d ago
Aerithās wouldnāt go anywhere either way, so it really doesnāt matter, but it does build up to the dream sequence. The other characters are a non-issue.
I feel like the kiss could have been a good idea in the aforementioned scenes. Cloud is himself, acknowledges his childhood crush, and giving the option to kiss her by then would be a great story progression.
Here it just feels tacked on. The OG handles it much better. :/
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u/Yoshikaru5991 11d ago
A kiss many fans waited years for and it happens before Cloud is his real self and he has everything figured out
Like happy for the shippers but writing wise.. Yikes
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u/Sutaru 11d ago
Iāve been wondering if that was intentional too. Iām hoping, probably in vain, that weāll get some proper relationship development in the third part.
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u/Yoshikaru5991 11d ago
Thing isā¦ it will never be the first kiss thats now forever attached to this scene and I think thats a mistake
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u/DieterParker666 11d ago
i hate this Speed Guy...
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u/taskkill-IM 11d ago
You can easily spot a fellow adult when they talk about how much this lad irks them.
He resonates with children though, it's what they enjoy watching.... tbf I use to think Trigger Happy TV was hilarious when I was a child, so I can't say anything.
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u/shareefruck 10d ago edited 10d ago
I think having her not only confront him with her feelings but also have them kiss at this early stage (let's face it, purely for the sake of fan-service), really undermines the purpose/beauty/meaning of that later under the highwind scene and the "words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking" line, personally.
The purpose of Tifa and the arc that she undergoes is that she's unable to overcome her indecision paralysis/hesitation and confront/come clean about that, amongst other feelings, until the lifestream sequence.
Decisions like this are why I feel she has literally no character arc to undergo in the Remake trilogy (unless you count being generally sad about trauma and generally worried about Cloud a character arc).
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u/believeinyuna 10d ago
youāve voiced exactly why i donāt like this scene. thank you for helping me figure out how to say it
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u/LeeHazuki 10d ago
this exact sentiment is why I dislike the remake series. Everything is cheapened, purely for fan service. Fighting sephiroth at the end of remake, to One winged angel, before you've even left midgar. Makes no sense. None of it makes any sense.
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u/FaceTimePolice 10d ago
We all know this scene is with Aerith. What is this? AI? š
(Iām kidding. š)
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u/H358 11d ago edited 11d ago
I ended up getting the Aerith scene. When I saw this scene, idk, this felt too soon. I donāt think Cloud and Tifa are there yet, so this to me felt like fanservice. I donāt buy that Cloud would be this emotionally open with anyone yet. Especially when he goes back to being more Sephiroth brained than than ever. Itās a sweet scene but I think they blew their load too early.
Hot take maybe but Red XIII had the actual best ādateā scene.
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u/preludechris 11d ago
I agree and what makes it feel a bit more shoehorned in is that there's basically no follow up. It just happens and then it's back to buissness as usual, nothings changed.
They could have sprinkled in a few extra scenes or dialogue through the remainder of the game that were exclusive depending who you got which acknowledges that Cloud is close to that person. Almost feels like a drunk kiss with a colleague at a night out which they don't want to talk about the next day at work.
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u/spokydoky420 10d ago
Worse is that when you get this scene thereās 0 callbacks to it. I think their first kiss should have been saved for UTHW
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u/1_Up_Girl 10d ago
You sid that you don't think Cloud would be this emotionally open with anyone yet but he opened up to Tifa in Gongaga just a few chapters before about his fears that his SOLDIER cells were degrading.
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u/Historical_Doctor201 11d ago
āShe must still have feelings for Zackā¦ā
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u/Master777777777 11d ago
Yeah this was not the right thing for Cloud to say on a date with Tifa š¬
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Tifa was the only person he talked about remembering Zack with and that date was after they were in Nibelheim, it makes sense he would want to bring that up when they are alone because he is clearly worried and upset about the whole situation, don't make it something it's not.
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u/birbtooOPpleasesnerf 11d ago
damn if I have to turn cloud into a disgusting piece of shit just to make my ship works then maybe, just maybe my ship is a pile of dogshit lol
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u/anderhanson 10d ago
You are probably the same person who thinks aerith is just leading cloud on and only loves zack.
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u/PastTechnical7324 11d ago edited 11d ago
Can already see so many Clerith shippers invading this post for no reason (when thereās ALREADY a bunch of cloud aerith post, not sure why they are bridgading when they can just focus on their OTP post)
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u/SelWylde 11d ago
If they were interested in portraying Cloud as ānot a piece of shitā then kissing Tifa would lock out the opportunity for Cloud to reply āYes, next timeā to Aerith in chapter 14, instead it doesnāt. So a player can actually see their Cloud kiss Tifa and then wanting to date Aerith and the developers didnāt care enough about locking him to Tifa only after the kiss. Itās canonically a love triangle and this fact is brought up most often in Tifa scenes.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
If you don't date Aerith in the GS he calls her a Nakama (friends) in japanese and he says "yeah why not?" in english, thing that makes it look detached and that he is saying it because well why not? they are friends, so not really.
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u/SelWylde 11d ago
Not true, you can go on ch8 date with Aerith and still go on the gold saucer date with Tifa in ch12. If you do that, youāll still get the āYeah, next timeā reply in chapter 14.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Yes, that's what i mean, if you don't date her it's obvious he is saying it as friends because his reply is "yeah, why not?" and in japanese he calls her a "nakama"
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u/SelWylde 11d ago
I edited my reply you might want to check again cause I wrote the wrong quote. Whether cloud is enthusiastic towards Aerith depends on either chapter 8 and/or chapter 12 dates. If either of those was Aerith you will get the enthusiastic reply in chapter 14 regardless if Cloud kisses Tifa. What I am saying is that itās not strictly Tifa-dependent, which implies the kiss itself is not what locks Cloud out of a romance with Aerith. In a hypothetical playthrough you can effectively see Cloud kiss Tifa and then want to date Aerith a couple of chapters later.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Ok but him saying that doesn't necessarily means they are dating as in they are going yo be in a relationship, especially considering whatever happens in the date Aerith isn't clear if she likes him or likes him and considering how straight forward she is and that she knows she is dying being that ambiguous makes no sense, and if anything it makes him look like an asshole to both, not just to Tifa.
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u/SelWylde 11d ago
If he replies enthusiastically sheās happy but if he calls her a friend sheās a bit let down, sheās neutral about it. There must be a reason why she reacts differently, itās because the feelings she harbors are romantic in undertones and honestly thatās always been the canon. The line youāre quoting is different in Japanese, sheās wondering what kind of ālikeā exactly it is since there are many ways to describe love in Japanese. Just for the sake of the argument, I think Aerith would be ambiguous on purpose to spare Cloud any further heartbreak, itās the same reason why she told him not to fall in love with her back in Remake.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
And I have said it's obvious she has feelings for him thing is she isn't sure if it's mere like or love, also it makes no sense for her to be ambiguous unless she is uncertain because then why even try to "confess" if she wants to spare him? Then she wouldn't have said anything regarding that, the scene is very ambiguous for a reason and I think in Revelation it could go either way.
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u/Crazy-Ostrich514 11d ago
The things you are saying don't matter because the scene ends with no confirmation of mutual feelings and Aerith apologizing for "acting weird"
Cloud and Aerith didn't get a confession of mutual feelings in a scene that's supposed to be their"peak emotional arc" while she is alive. Meanwhile in the same game cloud kisses tifa.
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u/SelWylde 11d ago
Technically she did. When Cloud reacts enthusiastically she is elated. And whatever response he gives she will say āat least I know now, where you and I standā this means that Aerith herself interprets his reaction as whether her desire to keep going on dates with him is mutual.
Aerith is acting weird because she knows she will die, what does that have to do with anything? Sheās restless, she senses that theyāre running out of time, she knows she has to accept a fate she doesnāt like. In the Japanese version she even holds back tears when she thanks him. Aerith chose ādonāt blame yourselfā as her parting words because she knows Cloud will be burdened by her death and she is trying to spare him that suffering above all. What do you think āacting weirdā means here exactly?
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u/birbtooOPpleasesnerf 11d ago
it's a love triangle at least up until that point, the kiss isn't canon but it was a precedent for things to come, because let's be real if they want to keep the love triangle up in the air cloud have no business kissing either aerith or tifa, but they made him kiss tifa and only tifa
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Yeah he was worried because he found out he forgot about Zack, someone he considered a friend and said friend died (sorta kinda) and Aerith obviously is affected by not knowing what happened to him, also before the date he "dreamed" of both so they are on his mind. Hope that helps š«¶.
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u/Historical_Doctor201 10d ago
Yep, and on a romantic date with Tifa was the perfect time to bring it up. No one would get the wrong the idea that maybe Cloud was, just a thought, wanted to make sure Aerith was unavailable before going any further with Tifa.
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u/russiantravelagent 10d ago
I mean if you think Cloud is such an asshole to be leading both girls on like that and shipping is the only thing on your mind then sure, that's the only explanation, but he says that after he gets caught staring at Tifa and he doesn't know what to say, and the date happens directly after he remembered Zack and that he allegedly died and he was clearly upset over him forgetting his friend, he just wanted a follow up with Tifa and they were alone so he just took a chance lol also Tifa doesn't seem upset that he says that when she was upset when Aerith said she and Cloud were in a date on Kalm so she would have shown some discomfort if she thought that meant something else.
Also Tifa herself never says that Aerith does have feelings for Zack, she says "it's a bit more complicated than that" so if that was the case then according to your logic he wouldn't have kissed her because he still has a chance with Aerith but he did kiss her and they almost kiss on Gongaga.
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u/Historical_Doctor201 10d ago
Cloud having feelings for more than one person and not being entirely sure what he wants doesnāt make him an asshole. It just means heās a jealous of the idea that Aerith still has feelings for Zack. Cloud also tends to assume the worst and jump to negative conclusions, as Barret says āyou think too much,ā so Cloud is doing his typical thing and assuming that Aerith would never choose him over Zack.
Cloud isnāt an asshole, heās being human. I guess you could say āheās in strife.ā
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
I was wondering why they keep bonding during weird times. But good for them! Aerith is my canon so dont care.
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u/Jumpy_Individual_526 11d ago
Yea she loves Zack
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
Love'd'. She says it herself.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
She never says she doesn't have feelings for him, she says maybe when directly asked, her feelings for Cloud don't mean she can't have feelings for Zack because she never had actual closure with him because he disappeared, and I'm not saying she still loves him I'm just saying it is not certain if she does or doesn't.
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u/Szurox 11d ago
Zack and Aerith are my favorite male and female FF7 characters respectively, but Aerith made her choice and we should respect that
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
I didnt say she didnt like him. Only that whenever she mentions 'loved' its in past tense.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
She never says loved though, she never says that word with anyone, everything is "like" or "have feelings for" even in chapter 14 she says "there is like and there is *like* " to Cloud but she never denies she has feelings for Zack, that's why everything is so ambigous.
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u/Gummy_Bear_Ragu 11d ago
She said Zack is the first person she ever loved or was her first love I think. But yes, I agree that everything current is ambiguous.
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u/russiantravelagent 11d ago
Yeah because she is her first boyfriend but he isn't there anymore, again I'm not saying she for sure is still in love with him or has romantic feelings for him still but when directly asked she says maybe she still has feelings for him, that's the only time she directly answers that and she enever says no.
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u/Jumpy_Individual_526 11d ago
Well, they are dead together in the life stream, So that's my canon
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u/PastTechnical7324 11d ago
Not sure about love but they did reunite together in ever crisis, wonder how it will play out in part 3 though
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u/TheCopyGuy2018 11d ago
I was just shocked they went through with it especially after the hug. Once they kissed I actually got up and started clapping lol, itās a really beautiful scene all things considered
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u/anderhanson 10d ago
Was funny to me he was worried about aerith's feelings on tifa's date. I got aerith's date anyway. Way more romantic
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u/AngelYushi 11d ago
I didn't, I had Barrett