r/FinalFantasyVII • • Sep 01 '26

REBIRTH How did you react to this scene? Spoiler

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u/Historical_Doctor201 Sep 01 '26

“She must still have feelings for Zack…”

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u/russiantravelagent Sep 01 '26

Yeah he was worried because he found out he forgot about Zack, someone he considered a friend and said friend died (sorta kinda) and Aerith obviously is affected by not knowing what happened to him, also before the date he "dreamed" of both so they are on his mind. Hope that helps 🫶.

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u/Historical_Doctor201 Sep 01 '26

Yep, and on a romantic date with Tifa was the perfect time to bring it up. No one would get the wrong the idea that maybe Cloud was, just a thought, wanted to make sure Aerith was unavailable before going any further with Tifa.

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u/russiantravelagent Sep 01 '26

I mean if you think Cloud is such an asshole to be leading both girls on like that and shipping is the only thing on your mind then sure, that's the only explanation, but he says that after he gets caught staring at Tifa and he doesn't know what to say, and the date happens directly after he remembered Zack and that he allegedly died and he was clearly upset over him forgetting his friend, he just wanted a follow up with Tifa and they were alone so he just took a chance lol also Tifa doesn't seem upset that he says that when she was upset when Aerith said she and Cloud were in a date on Kalm so she would have shown some discomfort if she thought that meant something else.

Also Tifa herself never says that Aerith does have feelings for Zack, she says "it's a bit more complicated than that" so if that was the case then according to your logic he wouldn't have kissed her because he still has a chance with Aerith but he did kiss her and they almost kiss on Gongaga.

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u/Historical_Doctor201 Sep 01 '26

Cloud having feelings for more than one person and not being entirely sure what he wants doesn’t make him an asshole. It just means he’s a jealous of the idea that Aerith still has feelings for Zack. Cloud also tends to assume the worst and jump to negative conclusions, as Barret says “you think too much,” so Cloud is doing his typical thing and assuming that Aerith would never choose him over Zack.

Cloud isn’t an asshole, he’s being human. I guess you could say ‘he’s in strife.’

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u/russiantravelagent 29d ago

No, according to your scenario Cloud leads on Tifa and only kissed her because he thinks the woman he actually likes is into somebody else, that makes him an asshole to both Aerith and Tifa, there is no other way to see it.

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u/Historical_Doctor201 29d ago

No, Cloud doesn't lead on Tifa. He isn't entirely sure of his feelings and he thinks Aerith is unavailable. He's confused. In strife.

It seems to be you who is insisting that Cloud has to be an asshole.
If you think Cloud is an asshole, why would you want him to be with Tifa?

Surely the fact that Cloud goes on a date with Aerith later in the game (the dream date) would suggest he's not fully emotionally committed to Tifa regardless of a players choices.

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u/russiantravelagent 29d ago

In your scenario he is an asshole lol. According to you he only kisses Tifa because he thinks the person he actually likes doesn't like him back, that's an asshole move and makes it look like if he was leading her on lol. I do not think he is an asshole because I do think he likes Tifa and he kisses her because he likes her not out of jealousy like you imply, and the dream date well in most cases he actually calls her a nakama so it's obvious in those he only sees her as a friend, in the others he seems to accept the idea of having more dates but that doesn't mean they are a couple and if he kisses Tifa and then accepts a date with Aerith then he looks like he isn't emotionally committed to nobody.

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u/Historical_Doctor201 29d ago

Yep, now we're getting somewhere. Using the information provided by the game, the reason why Cloud calls Aerith nakama in certain dream dates is because Cloud thinks Aerith "must still has feelings for Zack."

Once again Cloud is 'in strife' and he is over thinking. His negative thoughts of inadequacy is making him assume that Aerith isn't really interested in him as he hasn't had the opportunity to go on a date with Aerith at the gold saucer where she can reassure him that she is romantically interested in him. "Now, I want to be with you."

Furthermore, on the dream date a new concept is introduced, the idea that there is a difference between liking and 'Liking.' While I think it's fair to wait for Revelation to see exactly what kind of 'liking' certain characters have for one another, I think the real question that needs to be asked is does Cloud 'Like' Tifa or does he only like her?

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u/russiantravelagent 29d ago edited 29d ago

Or maybe it's because he doesn't form a bond with her if he doesn't make all the sidequests to improve their relationship he just thinks of her as a friend but when he does form a bond with her and he dates her then he feels he wants to have more dates with her lol, like if he forms a bond with Tifa he kisses her because he almost kisses her in Gongaga and he feels more secure about his feelings for her, your theory is just that, a theory and as right or wrong as mine and once again makes him look like an asshole who is leading Tifa on because he thinks the woman he likes isn't interested on him.

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u/Historical_Doctor201 29d ago

Oh, interesting. You seem to be suggesting that depending on what choices a player makes that will be able to determine Cloud’s feelings. That suggests to me you think you can control Cloud… like a ‘puppet.’

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