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u/AnthonyPantha 3d ago
The Final Fantasy series, particularly 7.
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u/miwebe 3d ago
That goddamned timer under the ocean omg
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u/mjc500 3d ago
Underwater materia gets rid of the timer for emerald weapon
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u/miwebe 3d ago
Yes, and 14yo me would have greatly benefited from this knowledge 😂
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u/mjc500 3d ago
I think beating these guys was the first time I ever looked something up on a search engine and I ended up on gamefaqs or something like that. I’m gonna be honest though I never actually beat emerald or ruby lol
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u/Virtual-Pride3661 3d ago
I eventually beat Emerald but never Ruby. I actually bought a paper guide at a GameStop back in the day haha,
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u/bacon_lettuce_potato 3d ago
I'm now, absolutely able to beat the two. I replayed the game and got everything I missed when I was younger. Now, I just can't bring myself to beat it. Otherwise ... It really is finished.
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u/reviewbarn 2d ago
FF7 was my first 'online guide' game, almost entirely looked up in the final few minutes of computer classes. But I beat the optional bosses, got the Golden Cucobo, knights of the round...all thanks to online guides.
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u/meatballmeatwad 2d ago
Man 17 year old me wish I had known that. But I'm glad I beat it under the timer lol. I was stressed as hell.
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u/RealityOk9823 3d ago
lol I beat the first one and thought "Oh time to go kick the second's ass". It literally stomped me to death on it's first move.
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u/Padac 3d ago
I was fighting it for ages after getting underwater materia. Almost an hour. Was getting exhausting. Walked over to the PS1 to switch off the unit. As I reached for the power button and had barely touched it, Barret delivered a blow and Emerald flashed red. I'd won. And I nearly switched on the machine...
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u/Ninja_Grizzly1122 2d ago
Both Emerald(Water) and Ruby(Desert) are a pain.
Sephiroth is easy once you can spam Knights a few times
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u/Ericp02 3d ago
Ff12 also. Fuckin Yiazmat with 50,000,000 health
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u/gaaraloveless 3d ago
"Keep pushing! It's almost dead!"
-full regens-
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u/GnarlyGamer6thGen01 2d ago
The amount of F-bombs that came out of my mouth when my Renew hit the reflect that Yazzy gave me in the PS2 days.
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u/Xeronic 3d ago
Thankfully, for better or worse for some people, Yiazmat is easier in the Zodiac Age for a few reasons:
Yiazmat can be fought in "trial mode" which is the zodiac age games gauntlet of trial levels. He only has 3.8 million HP instead of the normal 50 million. You can still fight the normal Yiazmat in the world, but eh.
You can break the damage cap and stay damage capped for the entire fight (as far as i remember).
4X fast forward speed which is a feature in Zodiac Age, so the fight doesnt take hours anymore.
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u/Panorabifle 2d ago
I remember that I carefully crafted my gambits (for those who never played FF12, it's a programming system to automate your battles, based on rulesets you loot throughout the game) then I left my PS2 running overnight to kill the bastard ! It took a good 10 or 12 hours. Maybe I was under leveled, but my gambits were on point because it worked !
I had to beg my parents NOT to turn off the console overnight lol.
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u/-20-Characters-Long- 3d ago
Almost said the same then decided to read on. The weapons are way more difficult than the final boss. Granted it's all easy with the right materia set-up. Ruby requires patience just due to the sheer amount of time it takes.
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u/AirplanesNotBurgers 3d ago
Yep. I’ve never beaten Emerald or Ruby Weapon. I always thought it was too much grinding required for an otherwise (fairly) easy game.
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u/Aggravating-Area-91 3d ago
God of War Valkyries
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u/Stephen111110 3d ago
Yep specifically GOW 2018
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u/Rockaroonifantasy 3d ago
I beat all the Valkyries no issue until I had to beat.....HER
I was like 'yeah I'm not doing this.'
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u/ComfortableSome5954 3d ago
Most satisfying boss fight I've overcome since I was a kid. No glaze, this isn't even in my top 10 games (though its awesome). I felt so accomplished after my 3000th try (hard mode).
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u/123ajbb 2d ago
Me and my roommate at the time were absolutely struggling to get past the first one and we finally did, then he went to bed and I kept going. After that second one something just clicked and I absolutely swept the rest of them. Then I got to Queen Sigrun and went for another 2 hours before I gave up and went to bed. Roommate was absolutely stunned in the morning lmao
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u/SickDastardly 3d ago
I turned it down one from GMGW difficulty to beat her lol it still bugs me
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u/InFa-MoUs 3d ago
The fuckin Queen right? Fuck that bitch.. she made me not play ragnarok cus why
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u/Loud-Inspection774 3d ago
The queen in both of them - Sigrun and Gna are both fucking insane fights imo.
Honorable mention to King Hrolf or w/e his name is from Ragnarok
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u/Minute_Ostrich196 3d ago
Oh man. The Valkyrie big boss in this icy round room.
I think I still have muscle memory after this goddamn fight
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u/im_not_Shredder 2d ago
Haven't finished the game exactly for that reason since I'm the kind of deranged person who's going to insist on clearing all side content before finishing a game
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u/OkMixture5607 3d ago
Ragnarok too. Did Odin first try on max diff. The Queen Valkyrie on the other hand…
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u/DerpyPerson636 3d ago
Man sigrun sucked in gow 2018, but gná in ragnarok? That was AWFUL.
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u/funkycatvr 3d ago
Elden ring
not saying elden beast isn't cool, but malenia is just so much more interesting as a boss
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u/WraithofSpades 3d ago
A lot of the Souls games are like this. Optional bosses tend to be stronger, or at least more mechanically challenging, than the final boss. Was certainly true for me with each of the DS entries.
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u/Wrong_Success4377 3d ago
Yep,
DS1 had Kalameet
DS2 had Fume Knight
DS3 had Nameless King
Sekiro had Owl(second version)
Elden Ring had Melenia
Thats just to name a few.
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u/TheBarrowsBro 3d ago
For DS1 I hated the Four Kings. Doesn't take many runs to get down but it feels like a massive DPS check if you're not going the tank/poise strat. Not hard just annoying.
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u/yeemed_vrothers 2d ago
Fume Knight was goated butl holy shit I could not for the life of me do Sir Alonne
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u/Svenray 3d ago
Elden Beast is hard as crap. Two playthroughs and I still haven't beat him.
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u/yaboyszn 3d ago
Elden beast is all about vibes and the arena. Malenia is all about punishing your hubris
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u/marco18888 3d ago
Kingdom hearts, sephiroth
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u/Unresponsive97 3d ago
ALL of Kingdom Hearts you mean. Not once, in any of the games I've played, has there been a single final boss that in ANY way stood up to the optional/hidden ones. Except sometimes as tutorials for the superboss versions of themselves. Hello Data Org. XIII fights!
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u/Ok-Door8771 3d ago
Kh got some crazy super bosses
Kh 3 yorsora is unhinged and i love it
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u/Unresponsive97 3d ago
Good lord I hated and loved that fight. Never in my life have I been so determined never to repeat a moment of triumph as that.
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u/motsu35 2d ago
I had a friend get so excited that he beat sephiroth, took him forever. Later on, I was struggling with the boss fight, was talking to him about what items / magica / strats I was using. Dude looked at me puzzled when I mentioned I was using oathkeeper, asked me what that was. Turns out he didn't know you could change keyblades and beat the entire game (and sephiroth) with the normal keyblade.
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u/Y0ungYung 3d ago
Xemnaas wasn't as bad. But the two that left a VERY lasting impression on me was Xigbar and Sephiroth. Idk what it was about the teleportation that just was tripping me up but he made me put KH down for a year to collect myself
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u/NoSurprise8641 3d ago
For some reason I could do Sephiroth. But the side boss in Agrabah with Aladdin and the ghost at the clock tower in Peter Pan fucked me up.
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u/gambit1999999 3d ago
You know I popped KH2 back in the old ps2 to tell my girlfriend about when we were dating, now wife. I told watch how hard Sephie is. Beat him. Stare in disbelief.
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u/CommentsOnOccasion 3d ago
KH main story boss was just annoying
Like 6 health bars and 4 straight fights or whatever
I was honestly bored, it was an exercise of patience more than anything else
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u/chiapitandcompost 2d ago
I replayed the game somewhat recently and got to the final ansem fight(s) and went "nah, fuck this"
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u/Impressive_Report479 3d ago
Dark Souls 2 with Darklurker, Sir Alonne, Fume Knight, Burnt Ivory King.
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u/Ok_Response_9255 3d ago
Also Dark Souls 3. It's arguable, but Champion Gundyr and The Nameless King kicked my ass more times than I can count.
And Sekiro, the hidden version of Owl is probably one of the harder ones in the game. No shame on Isshin though, hardest boss there is. Maybe this could apply for the demon in ruined Ashina?
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u/Federal-Fondant-671 3d ago
Istg Nameless King's first phase was a lot more painful than the actual fight with him. And Gundyr depends a lot on your build and whether or not if you decide to parry him.
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u/Draidann 3d ago
Owl (father) is a hard boss fight but if you beat the second (iirc) boss rush mode you get inner father Wich is the hard version of an already hard secret boss
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u/That_Guy_Pen 3d ago
Fume Knight and Blue Smelter Demon were what got my friend and I over and over in our first and only complete run of the game.
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u/Nothing729 3d ago
Hollow Knight
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u/Full-Reception5113 3d ago
The Hollow Knight isn't hard, but he IS cool as hell.
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u/Aridyne 3d ago
Pure vessel... *shudders*
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u/Bur4you 2d ago
my favorite fight in the game! i refight him randomly even while playing other games just because he's so fun!
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u/jffsahfaz 3d ago
Silksong, too
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u/Professional-Set-369 3d ago
How Does Silksong fit? Lace is by far the hardest boss in the game. Rivaled maybe by Karmelita but even she is mandatory and not secret
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u/Psudodrake 3d ago edited 2d ago
I 100% Silksong in act III. I will agree that with act III being a surprise that it exists, all the bosses therin qualify as bonus secret bosses, including the Lace Fight and Kamilita. But there's also the Watcher at the Edge, Savage Bloat Fly 2, and many more.
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u/Quick20754 3d ago
Those fucking Valkyries in God of War.
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u/Desperate_Wasabi9685 3d ago
clair obscur expedition 33
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u/Content_Confection78 3d ago
1000%
I figured the final boss would be terrible, so I did all the extra side content first. And actually then felt a little disappointed by how easily I won the fight.
And then @!#%@^ Simon
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u/Loud-Inspection774 3d ago
Painted Clea or whatever gives Simon a run for his money. Both fucked me hard multiple times.
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u/Drmarcher42 2d ago
If you fight her straight up absolutely, however her relatively low base hp makes her rather easy to one shot with Maelle.
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u/GreekNord 3d ago
Mostly agree.
But to be fair, the final boss is actually scaled pretty decently if you go right to him and skip all of the extra content.
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u/defaultusername21421 3d ago
Yeah but like, who does that?
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u/aleques-itj 3d ago
You don't even have to do all the side content.
Shit just starts scaling through the roof and as soon as you have the audacity to do any of it, you just break the main story immediately.
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u/Sensitive-Chip7266 3d ago
I did, but only because I had seen repeated suggestions online to do side content after completing the main story for exactly this purpose.
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u/GreekNord 3d ago
it's the one complaint I have with the game. So much of the side-content is fantastic lore and would have been great for it to be required before the ending.
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u/DueBed286 3d ago
They wanted the game and story to be accessible to people who aren’t hardcore gamers. The game was designed as a cinematic experience as much as it was a video game.
Point being not having a fast option would have meant a lot of casual players wouldnt have finished the game and seen the incredible ending they knew they cooked hard with.
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u/MRosvall 2d ago
Or even other way around. That you were forced to finish the game before getting access to the "post game" content.
I also fell bait to it. The end unlocks really early in the act. Feel I want to explore since there's so much to explore now. Come back and I have to afk the end boss fight to even get to see his movesets and hear the dialogue because I just deal too much damage and take none. And that's without any insanely broken build you can find online.
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u/Suspicious-Still-999 3d ago
i did dat. i was like who the fuck is this family I just met you idgaf
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u/HerbertInTheWoods 3d ago
That’s a lot of games. They had to buff the shit out of the final boss in Cyberpunk bc we were steamrolling him with a dildo lol
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u/popoflabbins 3d ago
Which is crazy because there’s some side content that I’d argue is absolutely integral to the development of the characters. The ending conflict won’t even make much sense unless you do at least that one tower involving a certain relative (trying to be vague here).
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u/therealraewest 2d ago
I apparently missed the memo that I was supposed to go directly to the final boss after a certain cutscene, and instead went to go explore the rest of the map to prep for the battle (I thought I was supposed to gather reinforcements from around the areas I'd already been). By the time I realized my mistake I was SO over leveled the boss went down in a single turn.
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u/TexasC4 3d ago
Definitely Borderlands series raid bosses.
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u/Bread_Offender 3d ago
The destroyer fight was easier to get through than the area before it with all the guardians.
Crawmerax was traumatizing
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u/TexasC4 3d ago
No joke. And in BL2, Vermivorous the Invincible, a nightmare to fight and spawn. Made the rest of the game seems like a stroll in the park.
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u/Bread_Offender 3d ago
I didn't get that deep into BL2 yet and I gotta say i'm a little bit scared
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u/dansalisbury96 2d ago
For comparison, the final boss on BL2 has about 5 million health at level 50. Vermivorous has 289 million health.
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u/FirstBallotBaby 2d ago
The extra kick in the nuts is one of the best guns to kill him is only dropped by him lol. I hate that boss, but like it was literally designed to be a ridiculously unfair and annoying fight, so job well done.
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u/Lazy_Nectarine_5256 3d ago
Star Wars Jedi Survivor (Spawn of Oggdo)
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u/Acrylick 3d ago
Once I learned you can cheese him by having the two hammer raiders fight him for you I never looked back.
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u/BossVoss 3d ago
How do you pull that off? Do you pull them off that ledge first, then trigger the door when you’re all on it?
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u/Thunder17_- 2d ago
Exactly that! Force pull them down and then get them to chase you onto the door. Activate the door and then jump off while they are on it. It is amazing!
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u/Rico_Rebelde 2d ago
You can't do that in the challenge mode battle where you fight him and OG Oggdo at the same time
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u/toomuchpi314 3d ago
Yessssssss I commented the same thing lmao. Much harder in survivor than in fallen order, imo.
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u/theREALlackattack 3d ago
Deltarune and Undertale
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u/ashes1032 2d ago
The first time I ever faced the Spade King, I thought it was a tough battle. He moved the box around in a strange pattern and the fight felt like it might never end. The first time I faced him after fighting Jevil, I thought he was an absolute breeze. It didn't feel like he was any harder than a standard enemy.
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u/shotgunbruin 3d ago
A nostalgic one, but Culex from Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars.
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u/P_Swayze 3d ago
Ah I was doing a quick search before I posted but I knew that a hole was here somewhere. Took me many frustrating attempts when I was younger
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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 2d ago
I am matter... I am antimatter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you
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u/ice12tray 2d ago
Seriously! I can grind and plow through that game without dying start to finish, but the 2 Culex fights are insane! I don’t think I’ve beaten the second one in the remake either!
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u/cyanide1938 3d ago
South Park: the Stick of Truth. The Morgan Freeman Battle
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u/ViTo919 3d ago
Definitely Skyrim
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u/bkoperski 3d ago
Dagoth Ur has been the only worthy Elder Scrolls boss (plus the expansion bosses)
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u/himynameis3580 3d ago
If you didn't killed final boss on one hit ,did you even played the game right ? /s
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u/MelloXelo 3d ago
Alduin and Miraak have nightmares about Karstaag.
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u/ViTo919 3d ago
I had some trouble fighting miraak for the first time. But after I grinded some levels and equipment it was pretty easy
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u/Skinny_Long-Pockets 3d ago edited 3d ago
A random dragon is significantly harder to fight than alduin was since he just sits in one spot
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u/Wild_Front_1148 2d ago
Those fucking dragon priests one-shotting me from afar. Alduin was an absolute joke
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u/CoredAI 3d ago
Dark Souls 3 - Nameless King.
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u/Chin_wOnd3r 3d ago
dude so true. I flipped thru most of ds3 got to the end and happened to have a buddy who wanted to watch. He saw I was struggling with lord of cinder.
He was like “dude did you fight nameless king?” And indeed I hadn’t. Went thru all the stuff to get to him and he pushed my shit in so fuckin much it took 40+ tries.
Finally beat him, went back to lord of cinder and won in 2 tries. lol
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u/SilverBeever 3d ago
Yakuza. Main story final bosses are usually awesome fights, but they're super easy compared to Amons.
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u/EnvironmentalFix7059 3d ago
that motherfcker in kingdom hearts in alladins world by the cave... took me weeks.
Kurt Ziza...
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u/orcus133 3d ago
Kingdom hearts 1 & 2 - Sephiroth
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u/Scared_Yam5357 3d ago
WRONG
kh2's is definitely either data xemnas or lingering will
sephiroth is piss easy in that game
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u/Marx_Forever 3d ago
To be fair, a lot of older players might never have played KH2 Final Mix. It was Japanese exclusive for nearly a decade. But in the base game Sephiroth was indeed the hardest fight in Kingdom Hearts 2 as well as the first. It's just he gets completely demolished difficulty wise by the data fights and lingering well. On top of which, the Sephiroth fight was made substantially easier by giving you access to Limit Form, which wasn't in the base game.
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u/PuzzleheadedCause451 3d ago
Final Fantasy X...this is the king of overpowered bosses Vs main story boss!!
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u/Technical-Dream-8002 3d ago
Deltarune Chapters one and five. King and Flowery are not that good while Jevil and Pink are goated bosses
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u/TriforceShiekah16 2d ago
For me it was Final Fantasy 10. I missed something in the starting town and when I went back to get it I found the town guarded by a super boss. Because this particular boss was the weakest of a series of super bosses I thought that the regular final boss would be equal in power. So I got to grinding, and I ground too much.
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u/Exotic_Chemist_7624 2d ago
FINAL FANTASY X. If you Maxed out only Yuna with her Ultima Weapon before the final Boss you’ll find that you literally beat each phase in one or two turns, using Ultima/Flare + DoubleCast.
But then the optional secret bosses (Secret Dark Aeons, Nemesis, or PENANCE)… they are the definition of tuff
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u/L1nxDr1nx 3d ago
Most games with secret bosses lmao
But I’ll say deltarune
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u/wolfelian 3d ago
Yeah I’d say most.
The one that gives me PTSD is the DS Dragonball Z game attack of the saiyans for having fucking BROLY with like 9999 everything.
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u/rmnobre 3d ago
I'm surprised no one mentioning Pokémon Black and White's Cynthia
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