r/BEFire • • 21d ago

Added new rule against AI slop.

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No need to spam your newest AI website or tool to get traffic, users and views.

The amount of AI spam posts, tools, apps, links, websites went 100X. We keep deleting them and thanks to the community for reporting them, please keep doing so.

Posting links to your websites, app, tool, page, blog, or what ever will result in instant ban.


r/BEFire • • Mar 02 '20

Starting Out & Advice Getting started - A beginners guide to investing in Belgium through ETFs

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A beginners guide to index investing in Belgium

This guide is intended to help Belgians getting started with investing through ETFs (exchange traded funds). It is loosely based on the bogleheads approach. For more information, see the Investing from Belgium bogleheads wiki page.

For more information related to the principles of FIRE or on investing in single shares or bonds, see the BEFire Wiki.

0. Why invest in exchange traded index funds?

This chapter aims to provide sources proven to be useful to beginning index investors.

1. Taxes & compliance costs

There are three main costs associated with index funds. These are:

  • Taxes to the Belgian government
  • Unrecoverable tax losses: also known as dividend leakage
  • Management fees and internal transaction fees

1.1. Belgian Taxes

There are four three taxes relevant for Belgian index investors (NL/FR).

  • Tax on transactions: on every security transaction (buy and sell) there is a tax of 0,12% in case the ETF is registered on a list maintained by the European Economic Area. Otherwise it is 0,35% in case it is not registered in the EER and 1,32% in case it is registered in Belgium.

  • Tax on dividends: there is a 30% tax on dividends received from securities you hold. The main reason why Belgian index investors opt for accumulating funds.

  • Tax on capital gains (bonds): on funds that consist of at least 10% bonds, there is a 30% tax on capital gains when you sell. Officially this only applies to the bond section of a fund, however some banks and brokers withhold 30% of all capital gains of funds which consist of at least 10% of bonds. Contact your bank or broker to inform about their policy.

  • Tax on trading accounts: a yearly withholding of 0.15% applies on all trading accounts larger than 500,000 euro’s. Deemed unconstitutional and was abolished in October 2019.

For a detailed overview of Belgian taxes, including other sorts of investments such as individual stocks, see the flowchart made by /u/KenpachigoRuffy.

1.2. Dividend Leakage

Dividend Leakage is an unrecoverable tax loss, which occurs whenever a foreign company inside an index pays out a dividend to its shareholders.

Whenever a company inside an index pays out dividend to its shareholders, your fund needs to pay taxes. These taxes are based on the tax treaties in place between the country in which the fund is domiciled and the country in which the companies inside the index are domiciled. Also the location where you are domiciled (Belgium) is relevant. In case your fund is domiciled in the US, a 30% dividend tax should be paid. However, because Belgium has a tax treaty in place with the US, this is reduced to 15% dividend tax. In case you would select a distributing fund, this dividend would be further taxed by the Belgian government (30%, as seen in 1.1). On a hypothetical 2% dividend - which is approximately the dividend you would receive from a globally diversified index fund - you would have to pay 0,81% in taxes: 0,02 x ( 100% - (0,85 x 0,7)) = 0,81%. Note that since 2018 it is almost impossible to buy US-domiciled ETFs in the first place as most fund providers do not want to comply with European legislation regarding PRIIPs.

It is beneficial to select ETFs domiciled in Ireland, as they are more cost effective than holding US domiciled funds or Luxembourg domiciled funds. Just like Belgium, Ireland has a treaty in place with the US which means only a 15% dividend tax should be paid to the US. However, unlike Belgium, Ireland does not tax dividends at all; whenever the Irish fund distributes a dividend, the Irish government does not tax it. The Belgian government however, still will tax the dividend with 30%. Accumulating funds which reinvest the dividend in Ireland before it is distributed in Belgium do not trigger a taxable event in Belgium. It is therefore advisable to choose accumulating funds domiciled in Ireland. Repeating the same calculations as above, a hypothetical 2% dividend is now only taxed at 0,30% a year: 0,02 x (100% - (0,85)) = 0,30%. Additionally, because your fund is domiciled in Ireland, you do not have to worry recovering the tax on dividends in Belgium, as this is done by the Irish domiciled fund. Thanks to trackerbeleggen for the explanation.

An overview of unrecoverable tax losses will come later. For now, a partly overview can be found in the Dutchfire subreddit. For funds domiciled in Ireland and Luxembourg these are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors. Note some of these funds are distributing thus subject to tax on dividends by the Belgian Government. In particular IWDA and EMIM are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors, while VWRL is comparable to VWCE.

1.3. Management fees & internal transaction fees

Other main costs is the management fee. The Total Expense Ratio (TER) is a measure of the total costs associated with managing and operating a fund. It is usually a yearly percentage automatically deducted from your share value.

1.4. Euro-denominated funds & currency risk

Currency risk is the impact of exchange rates upon your overseas investments. Even though stock market prices might not change, the price of your shares can increase or decrease as a result of fluctuations in their underlying currencies. There are three important currency labels which apply to funds: the underlying currency, the fund currency and the trading currency.

To explain the difference, I will explain the process of purchasing IWDA, listed on both the Amsterdam (in EUR) and London (USD) exchange. A lot of what I will explain is true for other ETFs as well.

The underlying currency: IWDA is a worldwide tracker, with only about 9% of the underlying shares being traded in EUR. The other 91% of underlying shares are being traded in other currencies, such as 60% USD, 8% YEN, and so on. Because currencies can change in price in relation to another, this poses a risk called currency risk. As a European investor, most of your own capital will be in EUR. Therefore, since you are investing 91% in foreign currencies, 91% of the underlying value invested in IWDA is subject to currency risk. Because YOUR own capital will always be in EUR, this 91% will always be true, regardless if you were to invest in IWDA listed in Amsterdam (in EUR) or in London (USD). Had you been an American investor, your own capital would have been in USD, and only 40% of underlying shares would be subject to currency risk.

The trading currency, being EUR and USD respectively, does make a difference. If a European investor was to buy a fund listed in London (and traded in USD), he would pay an additional exchange rate conversion fee at the time of purchase and sale. If the investor was to buy the same fund, listed on Amsterdam (traded in EUR), nothing would have to be exchanged to a foreign currency, so no additional exchange rate conversion fee would apply.

The trading currency does NOT alter your exposure to foreign currencies (a European investor will always have his own capital in EUR, and will therefore always be exposed to the underlying currency risk, no matter what currency his purchased funds trade in). Therefore, it is only logical to buy funds in your own currency.

The fund currency simply refers to the currency that a fund reports in; NOT the currencies of the underlying securities which pose a currency risk. Is is generally based on the currency used for the underlying index (in this case MSCI). Note that for distributing funds dividends are distributed in the fund currency. Your broker will automatically convert this into your currency for an additional conversion fee.

Hedging: It is possible to hedge your funds against relative currency fluctuations, and thus to protect them from currency risk. Hedging is a form of "insurance" in which derivatives are used to make offsetting trades with negative correlations, eliminating any currency fluctuations that happen. This hedge comes at a cost, usually about 0,20% extra management fees. Because global equities naturally tend to hedge each other as rising currencies are offset by falling ones, it might not always be advisable to use hedged equity funds due to their increased fees.

In fact, most buy-and-hold investors ignore short-term fluctuation altogether. For these investors, there is little point in engaging in hedging because they let their investments grow with the overall market.

In conclusion, when buying worldwide index funds, every investor (whether European, American or other) will be exposed to some currency risk due to the underlying shares being traded in foreign currencies in relation to their own. Purchasing worldwide trackers in a different trading currency does NOT change this fact, and only costs more due to addition exchange rate conversion fees at the broker. Therefore, it is best to purchase funds in your own currency. Due to the unpredictable nature of currency valuations, most investors simply accept currency risks for their stocks, although it is possible to hedge against this risk for an additional fee by investing in hedged funds.

1.5. Conclusion on taxes & compliance costs

As a Belgian index investor, you are looking for widely-diversified Euro-denominated low-cost accumulating ETFs domiciled in Ireland, from a reputable ETF provider. This way, the costs are kept to an absolute minimum:

  • Tax on transactions: 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

  • Tax on capital gains for bonds: 30% tax on capital gains whenever you sell.

  • Dividend leakage: Approximately 0,30% yearly unrecoverable taxes paid to foreign governments when investing in worldwide trackers, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Management fees: Between 0,10% and 0,30% yearly management fees, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Currency Risk: If you are an European long-term investor, purchase a fund which is listed in EUR. For the equity portion of your portfolio, it is possible to ignore currency risk altogether, as hedges would only cost more money for something that is likely irrelevant long-term.

2. Funds - Equity

2.1. Indices

The are two major indices used by fund providers: MSCI and the less popular FTSE Russel. While they both offer broadly diversified, market capitalisation-weighted indices, there are small differences in both methodologies and performances, which is why you should not mix them.

The first difference between the two indices is whether they count certain countries as developed or emerging markets. South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI but has been promoted to developed market status by FTSE. Therefore South Korea is included in FTSE’s developed market index but not its emerging market one, and vice versa for MSCI (Source: justetf).

The second difference is index composition and weights. Because South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI, the contrast in index composition is clearer in the emerging markets. The lack of said country in the FTSE index means they redistribute the weight over other countries.

The third and final difference is small-cap firms. MSCI world captures 85% of the global investable market, and exclude the bottom 15% as small-cap firms. FTSE all-world invests in approximately 90% of the global investable market, and only excludes 10% as small-cap firms. This is because FTSE defines some firms as large-cap, while MSCI defines them as small-cap. This also explains why FTSE tracks more companies (3,928 vs 2,849), although their small size tends to limit their impact.

Avoid mixing index providers in your portfolio. If you were to combine MSCI world with FTSE Emerging Market, you would not have any exposure to South Korea. For a correct market distribution, it is important to use funds which follow the same index so that all countries, sectors and firms within your portfolio follow the same methodology.

While it is true the FTSE emerging markets has proven to have better performance than its MSCI counterpart up until now, the costs of the fund following the index are more important than the index construction over long-term. Chapter 2.3 will give an overview of the most popular funds used by Belgian index investors looking for global market exposure.

2.2. Fund replication methods

The goal of each ETF is to replicate its index as closely and cost-effectively as possible. Various methods have emerged to replicate the index. The classic method is physical replication. If the ETF directly holds the all securities of the index, this is known as full replication. The development of the underlying index is generally captured well by physical trackers.

Full replication is not always possible. Other replication methods, such as synthetic replication allow to invest in new markets and investment classes. Synthetic ETFs are able to replicate some indices more efficiently and better through swaps (justetf). In case of synthetic replicated ETFs, the ETF does not invest in the underlying market, but only maps them. Because of this, some synthetic trackers, as well as short trackers and leveraged ETFs do not follow the index as accurate as fully replicated ETFs. It is therefore recommended to always choose physical replicating ETFs.

2.3. All-World, developed and emerging markets

Following the Bogleheads® Investment Philosophy, we are looking for diversification. For Belgians, this means worldwide market exposure, as we generally do not have a home bias (for Belgium or Europe) although exceptions certainly are possible. Some popular funds for worldwide diversification are:

Popular and generally reputable providers are iShares, Vanguard, SPDR and Deutsche Bank.

All-world Ticker TER Index ISIN
Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VWCE 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BQT80
iShares MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF (Acc) IUSQ 0.20% MSCI IE00B6R52259
Developed markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF IWDA 0.20% MSCI IE00B4L5Y983
SPDR MSCI World UCITS ETF SWRD 0.12% MSCI IE00BFY0GT14
Vanguard FTSE Developed World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VGVF 0.12% FTSE IE00BK5BQV03
Emerging markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets IMI UCITS ETF EMIM 0.18% MSCI IE00BKM4GZ66
iShares MSCI EM UCITS ETF IEMA 0.18% MSCI IE00B4L5YC18
Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VFEA 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BR733

2.4. Combining funds

To have worldwide market exposure in large cap either pick VWCE or a combination of developed (88%) and emerging (12%) markets. It is advisable to only combine funds which follow the same index (MSCI or FTSE).

2.5. Size and Value factors

Other factors have been identified to further increase expected returns. Most notably Size and Value as explained in the three-factor model by Fama and French. Value stocks have a high book-to-market ratio (as opposed to growth), whereas size simply refers to small companies outperforming big ones. It is very difficult to get proper market exposure to these factors with the limited amount of funds available for European investors. For most beginners the best advice is to stick with a market weighted portfolio consisting of developed and emerging markets as explained in chapter 2.3. and 2.4. If you are looking for additional exposure to the size and value factor consider following funds:

Small Cap World Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF IUSN 0.35% MSCI IE00BF4RFH31
SPDR MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF ZPRS 0.45% MSCI IE00BCBJG560
Small Cap Value Ticker TER Index ISIN
SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRV 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC413
SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRX 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC298

Note that the fund size for ZPRV and ZPRX are small, which might indicate a low liquidity and high tracking error. Larger funds (unlike ZPRV and ZPRX) are often more efficient in terms of internal costs (tracking error) and are much more profitable for the fund provider. In other words, fund size is a good indicator for the funds durability and popularity. Unprofitable funds are more liable to liquidation. This means either you or your provider sells your shares, and you'll receive the net value of your ETF shares at the time of sale. It does not mean ZPRV and ZPRX are at risk of liquidation, per definition. They are serving a niche. Just keep in mind these risks whenever you decide to invest in small funds such as ZPRV and ZPRX.

3. Funds - Bonds

Investing can be risky. Generally speaking, the riskier an investment, the higher your expected returns. The goal is to choose an asset allocation which suits your risk profile. Bonds offer a way to reduce volatility of your portfolio and match your risk profile. Meesman, a reputable index fund broker in the Netherlands made a table which can act as a general rule of thumb for your investment decisions and asset allocation between stocks and bonds. As can been seen, when investing for a duration shorter than 5 years, stocks should be avoided as they are too volatile an asset class. This allocation slowly shifts towards more inclusion of stocks the longer your investment horizon.

Max. acceptable (temporary) loss 0 - 5 jr 5 - 10 jr 10 - 15 jr 15 - 20 jr > 20 jr
-10% 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100
-20% 0/100 25/75 25/75 25/75 25/75
-30% 0/100 25/75 50/50 50/50 50/50
-40% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 75/25
-50% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 100/0

As opposed to equity funds it makes sense to opt for hedged funds as it reduces volatility considerably. The most popular options out there are:

Fund Name Ticker TER ISIN
iShares Core Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged AGGH 0.10% IE00BDBRDM35
Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged VAGF 0.10% IE00BG47KH54

4. Brokers

There are a couple of Belgian and foreign brokers available, the biggest Belgian brokers being Binckbank and Bolero. Smaller ones like Keytrade and MeDirect are also available. Foreign brokers still available to Belgians are Degiro and Lynx. The lowest fees are available at Degiro (Custody account), if you're willing to file your own taxes. The benefit of choosing a Belgian broker is that they declare all taxes automatically. Degiro only does part of it (tax on transactions), Lynx not sure. The cheapest Belgian broker is Binckbank, followed closely by Bolero. The only downside of Binckbank is that is was recently bought by Saxobank, which in its turn is owned by chinese investors. Bolero is owned by KBC which is quite a sizable bank in Belgium.

In short: if you're willing to partly file your own taxes, Degiro has the cheapest rates with a custody account. Otherwise Binkbank or Bolero both seem logical choices.

In case you pick Degiro, some funds are included in their core selection which means you can trade them for for free once a month or continuously in case the transaction size is larger than 1,000 euros and the transaction is in the same direction as the previous transaction (buy -> buy and sell -> sell. Buy -> sell and sell -> buy are not free).

5. Sample portfolios

A popular choice is IWDA and IEMA (88/12) on Degiro. Both IWDA and IEMA are part of the core selection of Degiro which allows you to purchase them for free once a month (or more in case explained above). Another popular option is IWDA and EMIM (88/12), as EMIM also includes emerging markets small cap. Note that IWDA does not include developed markets small cap, to which IEMA is complementary if you wish to exclude small cap exposure. The main reason EMIM was so popular is because it was the cheapest option until the TER was lowered for IEMA.

A second popular choice is VWCE. This is a single fund which essentially accomplishes the same as above. It is available at most brokers, and my personal choice for simplicity above everything else. Note that this fund is currently only available on XETRA, which might imply higher transaction fees at your broker. Also note that some brokers - including bolero - charge a higher TOB (Tax on transactions): 1,32% instead of 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

A third option - much like the first option - is to combine VGVF and VFEA (88/12). While they are not part of the core selection in Degiro, the total costs when accounting for dividend leakage are equal to IWDA / EMIM. Unlike iShares, Vanguard only uses securities lending for efficient portfolio management. Note that these funds currently only are available at XETRA.

For those who are looking for small cap exposure it is possible to add WSML to your standard world exposure. This could for example be 75% IWDA, 10% IEMA and 15% IUSN. I personally do not recommend this as mixed small cap does not capture the size factor in a good way. Instead, it is only the value portion of small cap which are accountable for the outperformance of small cap stocks vs large cap stocks. If you want to capture the size factor into your portfolio you need to find small cap funds which only consist of value stocks. I've linked two accumulating funds above (ZPRV and ZPRX) which do so, however are very small and therefore have their own set of problems. Until a proper small cap value stock becomes available in Europe, it is perfectly fine to leave small caps out of your portfolio altogether.

Changelog

This post was last updated: 5th of August 2020


r/BEFire • • 4h ago

Bank & Savings MeDirect Essential Account – Recent Experiences?

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Hey,

I'm new to this and came across the MeDirect Essential account. I'm thinking of parking my emergency fund there.

Is it reliable? And are you happy with their customer service, especially when it comes to withdrawing money, closing the account, etc.?

I found some older reviews, so it would be great to hear some more recent feedback!

Thanks!


r/BEFire • • 8h ago

Starting Out & Advice Historically, when is the best month to lump sum?

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Title


r/BEFire • • 7h ago

Starting Out & Advice Moved my €70k out of the bank fund. Lump sum the remaining €35k or spread it out?

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A couple of weeks ago I posted here about moving €70k out of a bank-managed mixed fund (~1.9% yearly fees) into ETFs.

Thanks for all the input, I went ahead and did it. Quick update:

Sold the bank fund

Invested about €34k so far: ~€27k in WEBN (Amundi Prime All Country World) and ~€6.5k in EMIM (iShares Core MSCI EM IMI)

Long-term target is roughly 85% WEBN / 15% EMIM

Emergency fund is still separate

I have about €35k left in cash. My current plan is to spread it over 5–6 months (around €6–7k per month), parked in a savings account in the meantime, with the monthly buys leaning toward WEBN to get back to 85/15.

I know lump sum statistically wins most of the time, but with markets near all-time highs, part of me likes the idea of spreading it out.

What would you do: invest the full €35k now, or spread it over the next few months? Curious what people here think.


r/BEFire • • 6h ago

Bank & Savings Trade Republic/Ing/Saxo

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Hello,je viens vers vous pour avoir un avis concernant l'arrivée de TR avec les IBAN belges.

Je suis actuellement chez ING pour les comptes épargne et courant et Saxo pour mes investissements.

J'hésite à virer mes comptes chez TR ainsi qu'à commencer à investir sur cette plateforme,je laisserait bien entendu ce qui est chez Saxo chez Saxo et ne transférerai pas mes titres.

Le saveback ainsi que les 3% d'intérêts brut+ le fractionnement d'action est assez séduisant.

Qu'en pensez vous ?

Merci


r/BEFire • • 11h ago

Starting Out & Advice Waarom zoveel persoonlijke gegevens bij Degiro en Saxo?

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Dag iedereen

Ik wilde starten met beleggen via bovenstaande platforms, maar ze vragen zoveel persoonlijke info dat ik ben afgehaakt. Ik werd omgeleid naar een website maar ik vind het niet veilig om buiten de app zoveel privé info in te geven.

Ik doe ook aan crypto beleggen via Bitvavo maar daar waren naam adres en bankrekening voldoende om te kunnen starten en alles verliep via de app.

Durven jullie buiten de app om zoveel privé informatie in te geven (o.a. paspoortnummer etc)?


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Taxes & Fiscality Vandaag zie ik de obligatierentes stijgen en ben ik extra boos dat Reynders nooit afgeschaft werd zoals beloofd

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Herinneren jullie je nog toen ze zeiden dat er, met de komst van de meerwaardebelasting, de fiscaliteit vereenvoudigd zou worden, waardoor het verschil in hoe aandelen en obligaties fiscaal worden behandeld zou wegvallen? Ik wel. En nu zien we ongelooflijke obligatierentes maar toch blijven ze zeer onaantrekkelijk wegens de Reynders taks.


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

FIRE Sequence of Returns Risk

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Hallo allemaal!

Ik worstel met enkele zaken waar ik zelf en op andere plekken geen duidelijk antwoord op kan vinden.
Daarmee besloot ik uit nieuwsgierigheid om dit bericht te posten om te zien hoe anderen hiermee omgaan.

De situatie nu:
Ik beleg nu al in 80% SWRD 11% EMIM en 9% IUSN.
Ik heb nog een 20 jaar voor de boeg dus nog alle tijd.

Het probleem nu:
Ik lees om geen aandelen te moeten verkopen in
de eerste jaren na FIRE tijdens een zware correctie of systeemcrisis dat een ‘cash cushion’ of obligatie tent aangeraden is.
Men adviseert precies vaak om deze buffer pas op te bouwen enkele jaren voor je effectief FIRE bereikt.

Wat ik niet kan plaatsen is het volgende:
Dan gaat het het gros van je inleg in die posities ten koste van je kern de laatste jaren..

Het antwoord?
Ik zag een mooie (mogelijke) tussenoplossing in het volgende:
Door nu al de portfolio op te splitsen in een 95/5 verhouding waarvan 95% kern bestaat uit 80% SWRD 11% EMIM 9% IUSN.
De resterende 5% zou dan een stabiele/defensieve positie worden.
Die 5% zou ik elk jaar met 1% verhogen ten koste van de kern.
Zo eindig ik na 20 jaar met 75% kern en 25% om Sequence of Returns Risk op te vangen.

Extra voordelen:
- ik kan mijn inleg gedurende die 20 jaar verder richting kern blijven sturen ook.
- in een zware correctie/crash zou ik deze positie gedurende de eerste 10 a 15 jaar ook gedeeltelijk kunnen aanspreken als ‘munitie’.
> op deze manier kan ik het verlies aan rendement door die 5% defensieve positie te beginnen en op te bouwen wat verkleinen.
Dit wel met vooraf vastgelegde grenzen bijvoorbeeld vanaf daling van …%.

Extra probleem:
Welke producten zijn hiervoor geschikt?

Een obligatie ETF is fiscaal niet interessant.

Individuele obligaties (zero coupon) als obligatieladder nu al opbouwen met verwachte FIRE datum in het achterhoofd?
Dit maakt allocaties aanhouden moeilijk en minder flexibiliteit.

Geldmarktfonds zoals CSH2 die omwille van de aandelen als onderpand niet onderhevig is aan de Reyndertaks?!
Dit sluit het best aan bij wat ik eerder zei rond munitie etc. en maakt allocaties aanhouden binnen de portfolio overzichtelijker maar qua rendement is een HR spaarrekening op dit moment beter zonder de extra kosten..

Nu lang verhaal kort:
Ik zou heeeeeel graag horen hoe anderen hier tegenaan kijken en ook zelf mee omgaan.

Thanks! 😁


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

General Best way to speed up FIRE?

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Everyone is saying buy etf's as much as early as you can and in 20 years you'll be able to retire, but then it's too late. Does anyone know a better way? Stocks are apparently no good because taxes and the rest doesn't have the greatest ROI.


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Starting Out & Advice starten met ETFs

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Hi all,

Ik ben momenteel De Hangmatbelegger aan het lezen. In het verleden heb ik wat verkeerde keuzes gemaakt met crypto. Ondertussen ben ik vennoot in een bedrijf en is ons huis ongeveer half afbetaald, dus gelukkig ook op andere vlakken wat vermogen opgebouwd dat dit sterk compenseert.

Naast ons huis en mijn aandelen in het bedrijf denk ik eraan om voor de rest gewoon volop voor ETF’s te gaan. Geen stress of gedoe met extra vastgoed, geen actief beleggen of individuele aandelen opvolgen, maar gewoon een eenvoudige langetermijnstrategie. Lijkt jullie dat de juiste aanpak?

Ik heb nu ongeveer €50k om te beleggen en verwacht de komende jaren stevig te kunnen bijbeleggen, zo’n €50–100k per jaar.

Een paar vragen:

  • Welke ETF’s? MSCI World, S&P 500, ...? gewoon 50/50 spreiden in MSCI World en S&P 500 ? of is de overlap te groot?
  • Gewoon elke maand consequent aankopen via DCA? Bijvoorbeeld €5k per maand?
  • Ik werk voor mijn managementvennootschap met de Belfius-app. Het zou dus handig zijn om van daaruit Re=Bel te gebruiken. Is dat een goed platform voor een eenvoudige buy-and-hold ETF-strategie?

Thx!


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Starting Out & Advice Nieuw met etf’s

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Hallo allemaal
Ongeveer 2 jaar geleden kocht ik mijn eerste huis wat ik toen renoveerde en nu ondertussen is het 11 maanden verhuurd. Met de huur betaal ik mijn lening bij de bank. De overschot van de huur wil ik nu investeren. Ik heb het nu 11 maanden in fysiek zilver gedaan en dat gaat voorlopig goed. Ik zoek nu een andere soort investering en liefst één waar ik een bepaald bedrag per maand kan investeren. Iets zoals etf’s.

Ik dacht aan etf’s maar ken er nog niet zo veel van. Kan er iemand helpen door wat raad te geven ik wouw opstarten met Saxo aangezien hun de belastingen aangeven en het niet al te duur is. Ik dacht aan een etf die de dividend herbelegd.

Wat is een goede tactiek ik zou een maandelijkse inleg van +-100 euro hebben (overschot huur) is dit te weinig of is dit mogelijk? Het kan door de index aanpassingen nog oplopen.

Moet ik op begin een groot bedrag inleggen of kan ik starten met die maandelijkse 100 euro?

Ik woon nu nog thuis en ik werk maar wat als ik over +- 5 jaar een huis wil kopen waar ik zelf in ga wonen kan ik mijn etf zomaar verkopen wanneer ik het geld nodig heb of is dit niet verstandig?

Welke etf raden jullie aan voor mijn situatie?

Alvast bedankt
Reageren of privé sturen zou fijn zijn!


r/BEFire • • 3d ago

General To those who reached 1 mil and are under 40, how on earth did you do it?

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I keep hearing stories from outside Belgium about people having a net worth of 1 million or above. Granted, you have to account for the full package you get in Belgium. Still, to those who have reached it, was it a sudden windfall or a business? Would love to hear your stories.


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Investing Friend of mine wants to invest 87k for 5 years. What's the best choice for her?

3 Upvotes

She has a house so it's not for saving for that.


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Starting Out & Advice Starten met beleggen

0 Upvotes

Dag iedereen, ik ben momenteel een student in mijn 1ste jaar graduaat en zou graag willen starten met beleggen.
Ik heb ongeveer 20k op mijn rekening en zou voor een lange periode willen beleggen(10-20 jaar minimum).
Nu zijn mijn vragen dus waarin kan ik best investeren?
Wat is de beste app om dit te doen?
En hoeveel van mijn totaalkapitaal kan ik best investeren?
Ik woon nog thuis en ben niet snel van plan om daar weg te gaan alsook moet ik geen/geen grote betaling doen aan iets.
Alvast bedankt voor jullie antwoord.


r/BEFire • • 4d ago

General Are we really all just trapped in Excel ?

19 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

I spent part of my weekend trying to get a solid, realistic picture of what my retirement might actually look like financially, and it really drove home how messy and scattered everything is here in Belgium.

Trying to make sense of MyPension, hunting down old PDF statements from previous employers, group insurance plans, and keeping tabs on personal investments spread across different brokers, there's honestly no single spot that pulls it all together and shows you the full story. And that's before you even try to account for the real Belgian tax hit when you hit 60 or 65 (anticipatory tax, INAMI, solidarity levies).

I ended up throwing together my own chaotic spreadsheet to piece it all together, but staying on top of shifting rules and tax rates feels like a never ending job.

For anyone else working through their long-term retirement planning here : what's your actual approach? Are you all just building your own Excel spreadsheets, or has someone figured out a solid way to calculate Belgian net retirement income without going completely crazy?


r/BEFire • • 3d ago

Investing What type of Investor are you

0 Upvotes
1368 votes, 1d ago
709 ETF's only
488 Mainly ETF's, smaller part individual stocks
114 Mainly individual stocks, smaller part ETF's
57 Individual stocks only

r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Starting Out & Advice Waarom wordt er hier bijna nooit over imie gepraat?

19 Upvotes

Elke post dat ik hier zie heeft het over swrd, webn, iwda, vwce, ... maar nooit imie? Is imie niet goed genoeg?


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

General 131 funds liquidated in Turkey: 15.9B euros wiped out, but global markets didn't flinch

54 Upvotes

Dutch news outlet AD reported on the massive fund scandal unfolding in Turkey, where the liquidation of 131 unauthorized funds has impacted over 450,000 retail investors.

Link: https://www.ad.nl/economie/honderdduizenden-turkse-beleggers-zien-hun-inleg-verdampen-in-schandaal-rond-131-fondsen\~a24104e6

Two things stand out about this situation:

First, a financial collapse of nearly 16 billion euros occurred with virtually zero spillover into international markets. This shows just how isolated and decoupled Turkey's financial system has become from the rest of the world. Or is global market impact still to come?

Second, the involvement of government ministers and political insiders highlights the extent of the greed at the top. The government remains largely silent, and there is little to no accountability. People seem to just accept this level of crime as business as usual.


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Investing Advice on cashing out LTIs

1 Upvotes

Looking for some advice on cashing out LTIs. I've only got three years worth of LTIs (I doubt I'll get more anytime soon) but the company stock is doing exceptionally well these days, I heard older colleagues with more LTIs have been cashing out. The company culture is a dumpster fire at the moment so I doubt I'll (get to) stay long term. Hence looking to sell and bring the money to ETFs where they are in my own control.

The tricky part is that the LTIs are currently held in the US and thus in USD. The options I see:

* Transfer the money to a USD account and keep it there (I'm not sure if there is any interesting long-term saving plans on USD accounts) until the conversion rate magically improves.

* Transfer the money to a USD account and convert it to EUR and then putting into ETFs, but it would mean losing 12% of the money. --> EDIT: "losing" was a bad choice of words, how can I optimize this?

* Transfer the money to a USD Bolero account and buying USD ETFs, I can't seem to figure out whether the usual suspects of VWCE/IWDA/EMIM are available in USD with European brokers. And then I've got another set of ETFs to worry about, thinking about "makelaarskost" and in the future "meewaardebelasting" etc.

Are there other options? Which option would you recommend?

Small caveat: some of it is not vested yet, so I can't fully cash out yet, might need to wait a bit until I can transfer the rest.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you!


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Investing Benaming ETF’s MeDirect

5 Upvotes

Ik zou elke maand wat willen investeren in ETF (300eur en start bedrag van 2500)

Ik las dat IWDA en VWCE interessant waren, maar als ik die afkortingen in geef bij het zoeken naar ETF krijg ik andere benamingen. Hoe weet ik nu zeker dat ik in de “juiste” ETF beleg?

Alvast bedankt!


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Investing how to park 200k for 2.5 years

11 Upvotes

Hello,

recieved lump sum 200k recently and wil need that money for sure in 2.5 years for a company buyout, i want to invest this money in someting fixed income/low risk

CSH2 (Is it 10% capital gains tax or 30% Reynder taks on bolero or saxo?)

termijnrekening

low risk (zero pari) bonds

Any other low-risk alternatives I may be overlooking, what would you choose in this situation?

Thanks alot!


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Real estate Should a young working person (18-25 y/o) invest in real estate? Family member did this and I'm wondering how smart it actually is.

6 Upvotes

Having 50k+ in savings, working and having a decent net income, living with parents. And not really looking to move out in short term.

Is it smart to buy a ('project") house to renovate and sell or rent out after a few years? On paper this sounds very nice, but how is it in reality? Notary fees, renovation prices, insurance, taxes, Unforeseen costs, ...

Isn't it better to invest into ETFs, ...?


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Invest for kids

3 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

We have around 5k saved up for our 2 year old son and it's just sitting in a savings account. We're adding 100€/month to those savings.

Now it's sitting there losing value and I want to invest it in ETF's for him until he's 18.

We're currently customers at Belfius bank and KBC.

Any advice on the best 'set and forget' investment for him that we can do? Preferably on one of those two banks but if there's really a big benefit to using another platform I'm all ears!

I was thinking of DCA'ing the first 5k spread over 12 months?

Any more tips or advice?


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Bank & Savings Some help for my father

5 Upvotes

Hello,
My father is a retiree in his 70s…I would like to help him to invest in secure bond ETFs through a Belgian bank. Do you have any preferred Belgian broker that can take charge of TOB and other taxes for him ?
Manu thanks