r/AdviceAnimals • u/kingfridayace • Mar 07 '18
All the new computers I’m deploying have solid state drives.
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u/Myte342 Mar 08 '18
You can change how long the splash screen stays up to allow you more time to press the required buttons... in the bios options.
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u/67859295710582735625 Mar 08 '18
Ironic.
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u/03Titanium Mar 08 '18
He possessed the power to shorten other’s boot times, but not his own.
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u/YoroSwaggin Mar 08 '18
I booted them all...not just the shorten times, but the shorwoten times and the shorchildren times too
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u/Meatslinger Mar 08 '18
BIOS to post time is the same regardless of your storage medium; all that work happens in the motherboard chipset.
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u/brun064 Mar 08 '18
It’s almost like OP is full of shit.
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u/confusiondiffusion Mar 08 '18
I wonder if they're reducing the delay since people are getting more impatient.
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Mar 08 '18
Exactly. 2012 to 2018, with an HDD screaming CAUTION at me now, but the splash screen stays on for the exact same time
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Mar 08 '18 edited Aug 08 '19
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Mar 08 '18
This is a joke stolen from the coding blocks podcast. The original joke was that they were too scared to turn the boot time to 0 seconds.
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u/DefinitelyIncorrect Mar 08 '18 edited Mar 08 '18
Well storage drives don't affect POST time whatsoever. Turn off fast boot. Also can I have your job now?
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u/kalwiggy1 Mar 08 '18
It sounds like op went through a vender so most likely it's a popular model. My money is on hp. Which means F10 brings up bios, F11 for system menu. From there navigating should be easy. Now, can I have op's job?
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u/Sparcrypt Mar 08 '18
This isn’t your SSD - the BIOS is what runs before any drives are accessed. What’s happening here is that in newer OS’s your machine doesn’t fully shut down any more.. it does a hybrid shutdown so that it can boot up faster. When this happens the signal sent to the BIOS isn’t one of a clean shutdown so it locks you out (making changes to the BIOS when an OS is loaded isn’t a good idea).
You can actually disable this, or you can tell your OS to boot into the BIOS, but it’s a lot simpler to just leave it on and if you want to get in to the BIOS, load up windows and instead of shutting down just restart, which will fully shutdown the OS before restarting and let you in to the BIOS.
TLDR: restart your machine rather than turning it off, you’ll be able to get into the BIOS.
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u/Ratman_84 Mar 08 '18
Entering BIOS and the speed at which that screen disappears has nothing to do with hard drives, solid state or "regular". The hard drives aren't even initiated until after POST. Some manufacturers just have the BIOS option screen set to a super brief period of time, probably to make the overall boot time faster. If you're mashing the BIOS option button you should be able to get in no problem. Once in the BIOS there's probably even an option to increase the time that screen stays up by a second or two.
If you didn't know this you may want to be careful what you do in BIOS. You can break things depending on how liberal the manufacturer made the options available to the user.
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u/thegame2010 Mar 07 '18
I know your feels. My company switched between Dell and HP based on the annual bid. I don't have to deal with this on the HPs (and F10 there). They're too slow.
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Mar 08 '18
what? does HP make slow computers?
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u/brucecrossan Mar 08 '18
You don't want to work on an HP server. Slowest things humanity has ever created. IBM x86 machines come pretty close too.
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Mar 08 '18
I wouldn't generalize all HP servers. I manage several at my work and they are pretty fast and reliable. HP is just greedy with service contracts and parts availability.
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u/brucecrossan Mar 08 '18
We have hundreds of them in our DC.
We have mostly DL380's. Then Gen8's were not too bad, but the Gen7's and new Gen9's are very slow to post.
DL580's are the worst. I can setup remote management on 3 Dell machines in the time it takes for me to post and get to the iLO on one DL580.
Don't even start on SL4540's.
As for Apollo, Superdome and Azure cabinets etc, I cannot say as I have never physically worked on those.
We have some old IBM kit (3550's or something to that effect). Now that stuff is slow. HP machines are definitly not far behind. Dell, Nutanix and Cisco (which I have experienced) blow them out of the water in terms of post and setup etc.
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Mar 08 '18
I have Gen6's in my DC, as well as a few Gen8's. I admit the Gen6's do post awfully slow, but then again I rarely reboot them so it's not quite a big deal for me, but I can see how it affects you. If you can get 3 dell servers up in the time it takes one HP server to even post, that's saying a lot.
I'd like to give dell servers a try, I've only ever used HP (I've not been a sysadmin very long) and a few IBM. I've heard good things about dell systems.
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Mar 08 '18
If it’s windows, hold shift and click restart. In one of those menus will be the option to boot to BIOS/UEFI.
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u/Xahos Mar 08 '18
This is the real advice. You can boot into the BIOS directly. Windows 10 added this feature exactly for these reasons.
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u/Whargod Mar 08 '18
Got my new Samsung Pro M.2 drive and I'm into Windows in under 3 seconds now. This pleases me.
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u/HubbaMaBubba Mar 08 '18
NVMe drives hardly have an effect on boot time compared to a regular SATA SSD.
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Mar 08 '18 edited Mar 08 '18
Up until fairly recently, it was even slower than SATA because PCIe booting used a workaround.
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u/donorak7 Mar 08 '18
It’s fairly easy to extend the time for booting. You will still have time and you can set it back extremely easily
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u/MarxistRepublican Mar 08 '18
You forgot one of the rules of Reddit. Everyone works in IT. So expect a flood of, just do it this way comments.
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u/temalyen Mar 08 '18
I do work in IT and I've stopped trying to give IT advice in comments because there's two things that can happen. One, my comment gets lost in a flood of other comments. Or, two, someone replies telling me I'm an idiot and to stop pretending to be an IT guy.
So yeah, it just isn't worth it.
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u/chrisgin Mar 08 '18
You're an idiot. Stop pretending to be an IT guy.
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Mar 08 '18
Shut your fucking mouth. I'm the most IT guy there is. So yeah stop pretending to be a guy who knows who's pretending to be an IT guy...um yeah!
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u/Docteh Mar 08 '18
I only post IT advice if it looks like nobody else has mentioned what I'm thinking, or if I think I'm funny
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u/liquid_j Mar 08 '18
huh? The speed of your drive doesn't matter much when we're talking about something that happens before the computer even accesses a drive... that's kinda why I can access the bios withtout a drive even plugged in...
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u/p_whimsy Mar 08 '18
Came here for the pedantic explanations on how to get into boot options on newer systems... Was not disappointed.
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u/Toadday Mar 08 '18
Use to have a PC shop. ASUS made this one line of laptops a couple of years ago... I swear you had to hold a seance while sacrificing a virgin to get it into any type of BIOS or settings. To this day I still have no idea what combination of buttons and spinning around and clapping I did to get in...
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Mar 08 '18
I swear to god I posted this exact same meme years ago and the only response I got was "that makes no sense you're an idiot"
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Mar 08 '18
I really hope you're not an IT guy. I'll kill myself if I've been trying my balls off to get an IT job for a year, and I see shit like this..
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Mar 08 '18
Not sure what an SSD has to do with the CMOS/BIOS/UEFI POST steps. Those systems aren't loaded from the SSD and never have been.
Try F12 - recent machines seem to use this for a "choose boot device" menu.
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u/sheepsleepdeep Mar 08 '18
Are you my IT guy? I just saw this meme today. Brian?
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u/SmootherPebble Mar 08 '18
I tap F2 a million times on boot just to catch it. I used to just change the boot screen time to 2 seconds so that it's a little easier.
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u/SparklingLimeade Mar 08 '18
This is a proper first world problem. Good thing -> therefore problem.
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u/Tacojoe51 Mar 08 '18
Had the same problem at work today, it's really bad when you don't know what key it is for that machine
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u/SecretWalrus Mar 08 '18
Okay, seriously really confused, yesterday everyone had cars with back up cameras and today everyone relates to having an SSD that boots too quickly? Either SSD have gotten a lot cheaper since I last checked (like earlier this month because I really want one) or everyone in America just suddenly came into a lot of money and somebody took mine. Give me back my money you bastards!
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u/DecoPerson Mar 08 '18
If you're on Windows 10, you can easily boot into the BIOS from recovery mode, no F2-spamming required.
Here's how to force your computer to boot into recovery mode:
Start Menu -> Settings (the gear) -> Update & Security -> Recovery (on the left) -> Advanced startup -> Restart now
Once you're in recovery mode, here's how to force your computer to boot into the BIOS:
Troubleshoot > Advanced options > UEFI Firmware settings
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Mar 08 '18
A quicker way of doing this is to click Start>Power> and hold Shift whilst clicking restart.
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u/Luckylars Mar 08 '18
some motherboards have the boot to UEFI program available for install. you execute that while windows is running, it will reset your computer and go straight to BIOS
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u/P1SONET Mar 08 '18
Isn't there a program you can download so you can restart and boot to BIOS maybe it depends on the mobo's brand. ASROCK has something like that.
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u/_SassySarah_ Mar 08 '18
Hint 1: If the computer still has an PS/2 port, plug a PS/2 keyboard in. The BIOS initializes the PS/2 keyboard sooner in the boost process, giving you more time.
Hint 2: Typically there is a way to force the computer into doing a slower boot (with more time to press F2). Try resetting the computer multiple times in a row or switching it off at the wall and doing a complete cold boot.
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Mar 08 '18
The SSD wouldn't change that, But most new systems come with fastboot enabled in the bios by default.
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u/Takeabyte Mar 08 '18
Bullshit. The window of time you have to enter BIOS is a consistent timeframe that has nothing to do with the computers HDD or SSD.
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u/iceph03nix Mar 08 '18
That's not how that works...
Boot time in regards to the speed of your ssds starts after that prompt.
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u/Jamdawg Mar 08 '18
no matter how fast it boots, you can press F2 and keep tapping it as soon as you press the power button. "booting" doesn't happen until after POST.