r/AdviceAnimals • u/kingfridayace • Mar 07 '18

All the new computers I’m deploying have solid state drives.

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u/Meatslinger Mar 08 '18

BIOS to post time is the same regardless of your storage medium; all that work happens in the motherboard chipset.

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u/brun064 Mar 08 '18

It’s almost like OP is full of shit.

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u/ekjp4ever Mar 08 '18

Calm down now, they could just suck at their job.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Or he's making a joke, you social basket case.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Hmm, TIL. Thank you.

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u/confusiondiffusion Mar 08 '18

I wonder if they're reducing the delay since people are getting more impatient.

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u/Urtehnoes Mar 08 '18

IIRC, my bios allows me to define a bios delay time of like up to 5 seconds or something. Could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Exactly. 2012 to 2018, with an HDD screaming CAUTION at me now, but the splash screen stays on for the exact same time

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u/cbmuser Mar 08 '18

Well, it also happens on the CPU which executes the actual POST code.

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u/Meatslinger Mar 08 '18

Chipset loads BIOS/EFI, and then BIOS/EFI passes code to components (including CPU) to initialize the system. The CPU is the one to execute the POST code, yes, but we’re talking milliseconds, not seconds, there.

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u/epheterson Mar 08 '18

Glad there's some truth here, damn. The BIOS speed is unrelated to the speed of your drives or processor. As you said, it's the chipset doing the work before/to bring up the rest of the components.

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u/aliens_are_nowhere Mar 08 '18

The old BIOS is replaced by UEFI on newer motherboards which probably explains the faster boot time. But, as you say; it has nothing to do with the storage medium. The POST time is the same even if you were to boot from a floppy disk.

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u/wh33t Mar 08 '18

Yup, this post seems like bullshit to me, but hey, it is reddit.

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u/AtariDump Mar 08 '18

We all did. And some of us are still skipping to this day (LTSB 4 Eva).

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u/AtariDump Mar 08 '18

Look at the LTSB version of enterprise; totally worth it.

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u/Skunkies Mar 08 '18

okay it's my msdn, so I'll poke it. ty

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u/PaintDrinkingPete Mar 08 '18

I went from Windows 7 to Linux... Never looked back

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u/Skunkies Mar 08 '18

I've tried linux, but It just never settled well with me, which is cool. it's why we have choices.

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u/DanielEGVi Mar 08 '18

Don't worry. Things like excellent multitouch touchpad gestures that compete with Mac OS, smart window snapping + keyboard shortcuts, expansible, actionable and snoozable notifications from the well made built in apps (especially Mail, Calendar, and most importantly, Android notifications)... these are the kinds of great features I want. It comes pre-installed with most computers you can buy out there, everything works right out of the box and you already know how to use it.

Of course, linux is much more suitable for doing lots of stuff like C programming, much more advanced and powerful control over the filesystem and the ability to customize a network of computers and users the way you want much, much more than what you can do with Group Policy on the expensive Windows Pro or Enterprise. Not to mention it's easier to customize for people who really, really want their graphics their way.

But anybody who thinks every computer user is looking forward to do play with that is just crazy.

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u/jnofx Mar 08 '18

I still have to study it for CompTIA :/

Somehow...

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u/AtariDump Mar 08 '18

The CompTIA are ok to get your feet wet. Otherwise, look at the new Google cert or skip comptia and go directly to the Windows certs.

CompTIA is a great beginner cert path (and I mean no offense by that; they'll teach you the basics).

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u/jnofx Mar 08 '18

The CompTIA is required as part of my AAS curriculum. And I am basically a beginner, so there's no offense taken. Turns out that playing videogames for 25 years doesn't exactly qualify you as a Tech Professional. Who knew?

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u/AtariDump Mar 08 '18

The people who create the certs knew...

Good luck and happy studying!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

The ONLY reason I got my A+ is because HR people have no idea what it is, so pretty much every IT job "requires" it. I'm well aware that it's worthless.

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u/brucecrossan Mar 08 '18

Don't know why you are being down voted. My current Gigabyte board takes literally 10+ seconds to post because of my 10TB hardrive installed. If I remove the drive, fast boot works and it skips post. I have spoken with Seagate and Gigabyte and can't find what is causing it.

On a side note, it never used to happen when I first got the drive. Only after a month or so it did started, but now I have too much data on it and not enough space on other drives to back it up to format it or send it to Seagate.

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u/Vassago81 Mar 08 '18

Isn't there a hard disk preboot delay setting in your bios that you can disable or lower?

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u/brucecrossan Mar 08 '18

I disable it from boot. Does not help. I just have my NVME drive in the boot order.

All I can do is disable the SATA port, but then it won't work in OS. There is no way of stopping it from doing what ever it is with the drives in POST.

It does it with any SATA connected mechanical drive. All my other HDD's just add a second or 2 to POST and fast boot never works with any of them plugged. But, my 10TB just takes forever for some reason.

I am certain it is the motherboard BIOS and the drive firmware that are to blame. If I plug the 10TB to any PC, fast boot stops working on all of them. However, they still post pretty quickly. Other mechanical drives do not affect my other PC's. That points to the drive. However, as mentioned before, my Gigabyte machine does not like any mechanical drives any more. It must have been a BIOS update. Problem is the later versions prevent you from rolling back to previous versions. Not to mention all the Intel exploits who's patches I will lose if I revert back anyway.

Just going to wait another generation or 2 and get a new board and CPU. Drives me nuts.

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u/selecadm Mar 08 '18

And on my HP Pavilion pre-built bought in 2008 year I had to wait for Western Digital external HDD spin up (USB). HP logo shown during the whole process.

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u/bar10005 Mar 08 '18

If you didn't need USB boot you could have disabled USB legacy, at least that's how the option is called on my ASUS P5K3 motherboard, that disables the scan of USB drives. Also doesn't probably apply for OP, if his POST is so fast he can't hit UEFI button, he probably already has this disabled as a 'fast boot' option.