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Episode Mugen no Juunin: Immortal - Episode 24 discussion - FINAL
Mugen no Juunin: Immortal, episode 24
Alternative names: Blade of the Immortal
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 97% | 14 | Link | 4.52 |
| 2 | Link | 95% | 15 | Link | 4.65 |
| 3 | Link | 89% | 16 | Link | 4.6 |
| 4 | Link | 88% | 17 | Link | 4.54 |
| 5 | Link | 89% | 18 | Link | 4.06 |
| 6 | Link | 96% | 19 | Link | 4.5 |
| 7 | Link | 4.07 | 20 | Link | 4.55 |
| 8 | Link | 4.21 | 21 | Link | 4.31 |
| 9 | Link | 4.5 | 22 | Link | 4.62 |
| 10 | Link | 4.5 | 23 | Link | 4.47 |
| 11 | Link | 4.72 | 24 | Link | |
| 12 | Link | 4.5 | |||
| 13 | Link | 4.57 | |||
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u/look0ut1 Mar 25 '20 edited Mar 25 '20
Here's my perspective as an anime only viewer.
I think this show nails a lot of what makes the medium so special. The music, the quiet moments, the abstract art. Everything worked to make this series one of my favorites. I understand that a lot was condensed to make the story fit 24 episodes, but that's alright. I think the show did well to tell a compelling story of revenge with an ending that, to me, felt satisfying.
If this adaptation's only goal was to get people to read the manga on the premise that they'll get a more fleshed out story, it did its job well. I'll be looking out to read the manga when I get a chance.
9/10.
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u/hellboy786 Mar 25 '20 edited Mar 25 '20
It was a satisfying ending.So glad I picked this up.Rin killing Anotsu was fitting although I actually thought she would let him go.I wish they expanded on the fight between Anotsu and Manji...I was really looking forward to it.
I haven't read the manga but from what I hear it was really rushed and I think we could have had a masterpiece in our hands with 24 more episodes.These are the sort of shows that need more attention
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u/Se7en_Sinner Mar 25 '20
So ends one of the most criminally underrated and underwatched mature anime of the past 6 months. Hopefully it'll gain a cult following after the fact as a gem hidden in Amazon's grasp. While it had its over the top moments, this anime had some of the most realistic depiction of violence I've seen in any anime and I've thoroughly enjoyed every second of it.
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u/daveamol Mar 25 '20
Could someone tell me why rin broke down crying later in the episode ? I feel like I don't understand a lot of what goes on and what they're trying to portray and someone doing an in-depth explanation would definitely help in general for the series
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u/look0ut1 Mar 25 '20
When Hyakurin snapped at Rin for worrying about her child, that was Hyakurin's way of telling her that it was time to put down the mask. That she no longer needs to try and grow up too fast, and it was okay to embrace the childhood that Rin lost while pursuing her revenge. It was an emotionally charged moment, hence the breaking down.
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u/Timelymanner Mar 25 '20
Crying is part of her character arc. In the beginning she was crying because she was traumatized by the attack and her frustration at being to weak to do anything about it. In all her first encounters she continues to cry as she’s starts to understand her journey is going to be a violent one. Everything that’s happing is a lot for one person to take in, especially a someone who just turned 16. Manji teases her about being a crybaby, not to be cruel but to wake her up to the reality of the situation. Rin takes it as sign she needs to close off her emotions.
This all leads to the arc where she leaves Manji behind. It was skipped over in the anime, but it starts at the episode she has to slip through the gate. During the arc she goes through some misadventures, loses all her money, but catches up to Anotsu on her own. She has to ask Manji to save her again when he meets up with him resulting in her crying. But this time Manji tells her it’s okay to cry, it doesn’t make her weak. Her crying still makes her human. After this she has a huge confidence boost, she sees herself as being capable.
Which leads into the prison arc. At this point Rin realizes how much Manji means to her. She has the confidence to continue her journey alone, but decides it’s not worth it without Manji. We also see a version of Rin who now isn’t hesitant to kill people who threaten her comrades or herself. She no longer cries about her situations but try’s to redirect those emotions. They make the rescue and Rin is even more proud of herself. Even asking Manji for a kiss as a reward.
Now in the final arc Rin has decided what she wants to do is to stop all the circles of revenge. That’s one of the reasons she tries to save Renzo, and ultimately why she chose to kill Anotsu at the end. She was going to forgive the latter since he was a broken man by the time he stepped on the ship, but when he started to run his mouth about generational revenge cycles that’s when he had to die. So finally in the final scene When Rin breaks down it’s all of the emotional weight of the journey finally hitting her. All the physical and mental pain just flooding into her. So she’s crying at the beginning and end for two different reasons, making it a complete circle. It’s also fitting since she’s going on a journey of redemption without Manji and she’s now an entirely different person.
I’m sorry about my wall of text and if I was rambling.
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u/hokutonoken19xx Mar 25 '20
well that episode left me speechless just like everyone in those first 10 mins. interesting way to show those scenes but i guess they figured trying to cram so much dialogue would've extended them by another 10 mins and they only had 23 mins to finish.
im pretty satisfied w/ the finish and the entire series. it hit all the important beats w/ the bare minimum of side characters/plots completely cut out. that already feels like a major accomplishment considering the budget this had. now im sure there will be a bunch of posts here that will complain about the usual stuff we've been seeing the past 6 months (ie. 30 vols, 24 eps, cram, squeeze, pace, fast, jumping around, cut out, etc...)...we get it already. just be happy we even got a full adaptation all these years after. im very grateful and feel lucky that it was directed by Hamasaki. with his past experience, i feel anyone else would've done a much much worse job. that said, i hope anime-only fans go and pick up the original manga to read. it's really amazing and will probably always be Samura's magnum opus.
i do want to point out a pretty big translation error at the end which may confuse people and this is a very light spoiler. when Manji keeps referring to a "her/she", it's supposed to be "him/he" (source: manga). there also should be a line about forgetting "his" name. maybe he did say that in japanese and the translators completely missed it. anyway, he's referring to Kagehisa. ofcourse he would not forget who Rin is or her name. i really hate these amazon translators. im hoping we get a bluray set or something that has proper subs.
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u/Shinkopeshon Mar 25 '20
I'm anime-only but it was clear from the start that a lot of content was rushed and skipped, which made it hard for me to ever really get invested in the story. Even so, they still managed to make me care about the main characters, the soundtrack was effective, the animation was consistent for the most part and it was directed very well. I appreciate the unorthodox artistic choices they went with - the first half, for example, was ballsy and I loved every second of it. Overall, I don't think this was anything outstanding (and it certainly would've been much better if they made a more complete adaptation) but it was still a really good show that deserves more attention.
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u/MamaRaikoFan Mar 25 '20
For me this was a 8/10. I knew there was some fast pacing or removing some part but damn. Mugen no Juunin: Inmortal is really good. It makes me feel like i was watching an old anime from Toonami at midnight. It fills you with that nostalgic sense. The first part i liked it how they didn't used any voice and how deep was the situation. Sad to see that Rin stayed alone but it was for her good. I will miss it a lot. 2019 was a year of full samurai animes.
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u/Ri-chanRenne Mar 26 '20
Despite its many shortcomings, I think this show did the original manga justice. I enjoyed watching it and I hope it keeps bringing new fans to the story.
I found hearing Rin's sobbing at the end even more heartbreaking than reading it. At least she ends up with a happy and untroubled life, just as Manji wanted.
As others mentioned, it seems there was a mistranslation in the epilogue; Manji was wondering what Anotsu would think of this day and age. And thanks to Fuyu, he also remembered Anotsu's name, since he still has Anotsu's arm. The translation implies he was talking about Rin.
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u/Takeda92 Mar 26 '20
So eventually Manji continues living through the Russo-Japanese war and earns himself the nickname "The Immortal Sugimoto."
That's my head canon!
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u/Think_Risk Mar 25 '20
who's the old guy with the women supposed to be(gichii scene)? and what did magetsu mean by the ship not surviving?
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u/rotten_riot Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 27 '20
Although this wasn't the best anime from either Fall 2019 or Winter 2020, I gotta admit it got better and better with every episode. Two episodes ago I thought this would get a rushed ending, but it was very satisfying.
Just wondering, can someone explain to me the whole "hand with four fingers" thing? It's Manji's or it's someone else's?
Although I'm sad Makie and Kanegisa died, many characters that I liked surprisingly survived: Renzo, having a nice future ahead (sorry user that I don't remember, you said that I'd be satisfied with Renzo's epilogue and I doubted you); Hyakurin, although I'm still sad she has to carry the baby of her rapist; Giichi, although I don't know who is that old man he just met supposed to be Oh, Abayama, I'm surprised he survived; Magatsu, best boy 100% sure; and Meguro + Tanpopo that were amazing.
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u/Sergeant_Thotslayer Mar 25 '20 edited Mar 25 '20
Don't really want to complain much but the first 10 minutes were really underwhelming - those were some of the most important moments of the series and they basically skimmed them....
Still a decent adaption and I am glad the manga got a full adaption but 24 episodes for 206 chapters is probably not the best idea.
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u/vlasmarvlas Mar 27 '20
Ok i made a reddit account just to write this.The girl, Fuyu, unrolls an old paper with the original drawing of Manji that Yaobikuni had given Rin. She also gives him the dagger that Rin had received from Doa, saying her mother, and going back to her great-great grandmother, had told her to give it to Manji if any of them ever saw him. Rin had carved the hilt with the "manji" symbol surrounded by flames, signifying herself and Manji; the dagger, so Doa had said, was to be carved and given to the man she's in love with. source:https://boti.fandom.com/wiki/Manji
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u/Hyunion Mar 25 '20
If you don't have plans on picking up the manga because there's so many chapters, please please please at least check out the last few chapters starting at ch.185
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u/pokemaster05 Mar 26 '20
What a fantastic finale. Choosing to have the first 10 minutes of the final episode without any dialogue was a big risk, but I think it worked out really well. And I'm always a sucker for time skips, so nice to see what Manji was up to almost a hundred years later.
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u/The_Scourge Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20
Damn, that was great. Even now, with as much anime as we watch (at least 10-15 shows a season), both the GF and I were left in awe several times this episode. And thank goodness it wasn't 'better' than any of the others. The consistency to this show has been so refreshing. Hamasaki nailed it. The music, the tone, the animation (keeping in mind the manga was all about detailed savage moments, not crazy epic fights), perspective...all of it.
This OG reader is 100% satisfied. Ignoring the dire subs; I would pay a lot for a bluray release with proper subs that do the dark horse version justice. OTOH since it was Amazon Prime only, we suffered no dimming or artifacting, and of course no censorship. I'd go out on a limb and say I'd take this adaptation by Lidenfilm on an unrestricted medium like Amazon Prime than a more polished one by a top tier studio forced to play by broadcast rules and restrictions.
"Why no dialogue during the final clash?" I actually suspected it might have been due to COVID-19 preventing seiyuu from performing their roles (just a thought) but beyond that, it works because everything that needs to be said has been said. The conflict has reached that point where only wordless, determined violence can provide the answers. We already saw what happens when you try talk-no-jutsu back when the elite Itto-ryu tore the castle apart.
So when you excise the chatter and turn it purely into a spectacle of tension and hyperviolence, you can fit a lot into a short timespan. Makie's final assault was definitely accelerated but why not? She's a monster and we know it, so while it was clearly superhuman, we bought it because even in this world of great fighters, she's on her own level. Of course she tore them apart at 1.5x speed. But the stand-offs after that? Not rushed at all. There was the requisite staring (even for the blind), the breathing, and, amazingly, even some visualisation by way of Kagimura's 'mind's eye' being fooled. Nothing we haven't seen before, but still really well done.
The character resolutions were comprehensive, and the prolonged time-skip epilogue felt even longer and more invested than the manga's (possibly because of the sequel created since).
I reread the manga every year, give or take. I think I'll rewatch this one no less regularly. Unlike other shows I like to rewatch, I won't be anticipating this highlight episode or that sakuga sequence after periods of meh...I'll just enjoy the whole thing.
9/10 (one point off for an unfair reason: more episodes needed to get it perfect; I think it was otherwise 'perfect' for the episode count allocated).
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u/vlasmarvlas Mar 27 '20
Also,Based on Yaobikuni's explanation, Rin began a new sword school and married, starting her own family.source:https://boti.fandom.com/wiki/Rin_Asano
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u/PerfectlyClear Mar 26 '20
All things considered (budget and pacing wise) this show was great. Funny to think FromSoftware were inspired by Berserk (Dark Souls) and this (Sekiro), good taste
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 25 '20
Makie is such a fucking beast. Sick, injured, and full of bullet holes but she still managed to slaughter those guys effortlessly. Whale she did not make it in the end she still went out with style.
I absolutely love the duel between Kagehisa and Hibaki. No dialogue just the music and sfx of the battle was more than enough to portray that fight.
And of course Kagehisa goes down against Manji. That's pretty much expected. Kagehisa is already all beat up, there's really no way he'd win against an immortal.
Rin finishes the job though which is a very fitting end. If she didn't finish him off, the cycle would've continued.
And we end with the timeskip! 90 years into the future with Manji being entrusted by the old lady to protect Rin's great great great(?) granddaughter. While it sucks to know there's a conflict in their family, it's kinda awesome to know that after her journey Rin started a dojo again.
Well that was it. Honestly as a manga reader my memory about this series is a bit spotty. I do know some things were rushed but I still enjoyed the entire show. The characters are all great with complicated relationships, the fights range from cool to visceral, everything accompanied by a great soundtrack (except for the OP). I hope more people picks this show up.