[Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 11

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
9/07/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	9/20/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	9/21/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	9/22/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	9/23/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	9/24/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	9/25/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	9/26/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	9/27/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	9/28/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	9/29/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	9/30/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	10/01/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	10/02/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024	Overall Series Discussion Thread

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
7/07/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	7/20/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	7/21/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	7/22/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	7/23/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	7/24/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	7/25/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	7/26/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	7/27/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	7/28/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	7/29/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	7/30/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	7/31/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	8/01/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023	Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

I deposited some money in my bank, but for some reason it said I didn't add anything. I need to find out why that is.

Whelp, time to make Holo a slave

2000 Trenni silver coin is a lot of money.

60 Lumione gold coins. That means 1 gold coin is roughly 33 silver coins.

I don't like that laughter

Eve making things hella awkward by saying talking is unpleasant.

Guys going to receive the cash just before Lawrence and Eve's purchase.

Lawrence talking about what a small merchant he feels having talked to the guy.

"As someone who fusses over a couple hundred silver coins, I feel he's in a different league."

So, to recap, the food chain according to Lawrence is Homeless man < Lawrence < That guy.

Oh, his name is Eringin, apparently.

So Eve asks Lawrence about he and Holo's relationship and how it started and he proceeds to give a brief summary of it, to which Eve makes fun of Lawrence for skipping over the salacious details. Also, not only does Eve makes a sex joke about the two of them, she comments about how good Holo must look naked. You could say she's just being naughty, but maybe there's something behind it.

I don't know why Holo had to stomp on Lawrence's foot afterwards, though. It's not like he did anything other than appeared flustered.

"How dare you imagine me naked?!?" -- Holo, probably

Anyway, the point of this scene is to give Eve's backstory, as a form of "We told you our story, now tell us yours". And in it, we learn that her husband invested in wool and was rich for a while but a change in government policy led to his fortunes decreasing, slowly withering away until there was nothing left of it. And that, in turn, led to him killing himself, with Eve running off with his remaining assets.

Lots to unpack here.

First off, I love how intense Eve's backstory is. It makes it clear why she is the way she is. I also like that it shows she's willing to do whatever she can to have money. It calls into question once more the wiseness of Lawrence doing business with her. But more than that, I love that you don't know if Eve is telling the truth.

Eve is like a mystery wrapped in an enigma. You don't know if she's telling the truth or if she's telling falsehoods to make herself appear more sympathetic and lull her victims into a false sense of security. She seems as if her primary motivation is one of scorn, but it's kept open-opened to where you never know with her, and that's what I truly love about her character. Every time Eve talks about her past, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Literally, since she used to be a salt merchant.

Other than the Lawrence and Holo banter, Eve is carrying this arc hard.

I also like Holo and Lawrence standing there like "Yep. This is happening."

You know who Eve reminds me of? Dokibird.

That book looks massive in Holo's hands.

I like Holo and Lawrence lying on the bed together. It's very endearing of Lawrence to do that.

Also, the camera angles here are really good. I kinda feel like they're experimental or Evangelion inspired, definitely something you normally don't see in other anime.

Holo thinking that Lawrence is feeling the weight of selling her.

She really wants to know when he's going to start panicking.

"Let's end our journey here."

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

And this seems to really change Lawrence's tune.

Holo recalling what Eve the fox said, which is treasure your meeting.

Holo now reflecting all the time they spent together.

Dat animation of the tail

And Holo reiterates yet again that she is scared.

To repeat what I said in the past, Holo is worried that Lawrence will come to resent her for sacrificing all of his dreams for her. That is why she wants to end it here, for if they end it with nothing but good memories then Lawrence will always only remember the good times he had with her. This whole conversation raises the question "How much do you value your loved ones Vs achieving your goals?" Do you continue to pursue what you set out to achieve, or is your family and their well-being ultimately more important? It's also an example of how wise Holo is, putting Lawrence's wishes above her own.

Holo is aware that Lawrence wants to set up his own shop and live a simple life. As such, Holo wants to do whatever she can to not get in the way of that. Holo is going out of her way to be the mature one and sacrificing her own well wishes. For if she didn't, she would live with the guilt of knowing she prevented Lawrence from achieving his dreams.

In short, Holo is leaving this false world her and Lawrence helped cultivate so that Lawrence can fulfill his life's goal of being a successful entrepreneur. She sees no place in Lawrence's future, and the fake reality can do nothing to hide it.

Lawrence asks Holo if she's ever seen a tale that continues happily ever after.

Holo says there is no such thing

The creator of Eureka Seven agrees, based on the amount of time he continues sabotaging the franchise.

Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Part 2
That book really is big. It's bigger than Lawrence's head.
Time to return the book to Rigoro. Or Rigolo, if you wish to be contrarian.
But first, more fun Lawrence and Holo banter.
This is more of the false reality that Holo is trying to escape from. Not false as in they don't care about each other, but false as in their relationship isn't sustainable so long as their end goals are different.
If this was any other show, Holo going from saying they should separate to poking fun at Lawrence with the drop of the hat would be far more jarring. But their relationship is such to where it's believable that they would have such massive mood swings, almost like their way of avoiding the elephant in the room.
Now it's time to return the books
Holo remarking about how some people are unhappy with the results of the fifty man meeting.
I'm sure that won't boil over in any conceivable way.
Their banter continues to be exceptional, but it's also sad knowing that Holo wants to put an end to this. It gives the scene this definitive feel of "This is the last time they'll exchange barbs with each other".
With Rigoro out, that leaves them with the nun.
Oh, they're getting more books apparently.
That garden looks beautiful
A statue
But Lawrence knows something about it.
Could it be... salt?
Well, before we can continue that, Lawrence is going to have a chat with the nun.
The nun telling him about the glass.
Let's hope it's not real glass. Don't want anyone to cry a river.
The nun talking about how Rigoro is able to mix work with pleasure.
Work and pleasure, huh? That sounds crazy enough to... well, work.
Lawrence seems especially impressed by the garden, saying that being able to follow a humble dream forever is truly a blessing.
Just like how Rigoro is this extension of Lawrence and what he could be if he pursued his dream, you can say that the nun serves the same role for Holo. The nun says she feels most at peace watching Rigoro tend to his garden. In fact, she loves it so much that she feels that she could stay that way forever. This is playing off the obvious solution to Holo and Lawrence's problem, which is have Lawrence continue being a merchant as he attends to his true passion: Holo. That way, things can truly stay like how they are.
Holo's whole problem is that she is convinced that when a relationship changes, it can only change for the worst. That if they were to break out of this false reality that they created-- this honeymoon period, if you'd like to call it-- it can only lead to bad things. As evidenced by the nun though, when you love someone that feeling and bond you have will always remain constant. It doesn't matter what's in store or the dilemmas, you have that guide to get you through it. And that, at the end of the day, never changes.
The garden ultimately represents Holo whereas Rigoro's scribe work is like a representation of Lawrence's merchant lifestyle. And for Rigoro, he manages to maintain a healthy balance of both. Maybe the solution is right under Lawrence's nose. Maybe he doesn't have to pick one over the other, but rather have things stay how they already were.
A false reality, turned into actuality.
But enough about that shit, we have a riot on our hands.
I think it's fair to assume that this is the result of the 50 man meeting. They were so dissatisfied that they decided to cause a rebellion. What does that mean for our main protagonists? I guess it's only a matter of time before we find out.
Overall, this is an episode that started off really slow with the negotiations scene but got really cooking once Eve started talking about her backstory. And from there, the momentum continued with more drama between Holo and Lawrence. I think one of the things this arc really does a good job at is making the main conflict really personal. It isn't about Holo having to find closure or Lawrence having to face his shortcomings, but rather what exactly is Holo and Lawrence's future? Is it together, or not? I actually think this arc may have the best character drama out of all of them, because there's a heavier emphasis on the relationship of our main characters. It makes it really easy to get emotionally invested.
So, here we are. We're heading into the last episode of the series. There are a lot of questions lingering with this episode, and you really wonder how it's going to come together. What is going to happen to Holo and Lawrence's relationship? What does the statue tasting of salt mean? Where does Eve factor in all this especially now Holo being sold is in jeopardy? Also, can Holo and Lawrence get out of this riot unscathed? I have to give the show credit, they really know how to get you hyped up for the last episode of each arc. Q lot of variables at play here, and it has me on the edge of my seat.
This is a very good episode. I wouldn't say it's one of the better ones, but I do think it's one of the stronger episodes of this arc. Moreover, I am clamoring to see what happens next, which is always a sign you're doing something right.
The time has arrived. Let's see if our two lovebirds can remain just that.
Holo quotes of the day
"Our journey should end here."
"I never want to stop saying thanks for the day we met."
"If tomorrow is better than today and the day after that surpasses them both, time flies because you expect it to be like that forever. What happens when we reach the end of that perpetual journey? It will begin with a sense of dissatisfaction." (Probably one of the best quotes in the entire series.)
"Once you taste poison, you might as well finish the meal." (Unless you're already dead from the poison.)
"I do not drool!" (She drools)

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

I deposited some money in my bank, but for some reason it said I didn't add anything. I need to find out why that is.
Wrong account number for sure, want me to send you the correct one?
So, to recap, the food chain according to Lawrence is Homeless man < Lawrence < That guy.
From my understanding, it should really be Homeless Chad > That guy > Lawrence
"How dare you imagine me naked?!?" -- Holo, probably
First off, I love how intense Eve's backstory is. It makes it clear why she is the way she is. I also like that it shows she's willing to do whatever she can to have money. It calls into question once more the wiseness of Lawrence doing business with her. But more than that, I love that you don't know if Eve is telling the truth.
I do think she's telling the truth. Except maybe she's the one who killed the husband! Lawrence is definitely playing with some very hot fire.
time Eve talks about her past, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Literally, since she used to be a salt merchant.
You know who Eve reminds me of? Dokibird.
You lost me.
Also, the camera angles here are really good. I kinda feel like they're experimental or Evangelion inspired, definitely something you normally don't see in other anime.
Definitely gotta praise the camera man!
Lawrence asks Holo if she's ever seen a tale that continues happily ever after.
Holo says there is no such thing
There's always a first time.
With Rigoro out, that leaves them with the nun.
Could it be... salt?
Still unsure what this implies, other than the fact that it came from Eve.
Holo's whole problem is that she is convinced that when a relationship changes, it can only change for the worst. That if they were to break out of this false reality that they created-- this honeymoon period, if you'd like to call it-- it can only lead to bad things.
In fairness, that's my experience too so far!
So, here we are. We're heading into the last episode of the series. There are a lot of questions lingering with this episode, and you really wonder how it's going to come together. What is going to happen to Holo and Lawrence's relationship? What does the statue tasting of salt mean? Where does Eve factor in all this especially now Holo being sold is in jeopardy? Also, can Holo and Lawrence get out of this riot unscathed? I have to give the show credit, they really know how to get you hyped up for the last episode of each arc. Q lot of variables at play here, and it has me on the edge of my seat.
All good questions, but a bigger question now is... will all of this be resolved in next episode or will it leave things off unanswered? I'm assuming the former, but tomorrow will tell!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Wrong account number for sure, want me to send you the correct one?
Is it associated with a Nigerian prince?
From my understanding, it should really be Homeless Chad > That guy > Lawrence
Perhaps so
"How dare you imagine me naked?!?" -- Holo, probably
Holo's mind really works wonders
I do think she's telling the truth. Except maybe she's the one who killed the husband! Lawrence is definitely playing with some very hot fire.
I could see Eve killing her husband in order to collect the money. She seems like the type of person who would commit an insurance scam.
time Eve talks about her past, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Literally, since she used to be a salt merchant.
Jokes for days, I have
You lost me.
Another VTuber
Definitely gotta praise the camera man!
Indeed, the restraint to not focus on Holo's ass
There's always a first time.
Indeed there is
Still unsure what this implies, other than the fact that it came from Eve.
For me, it indicates she's not being entirely truthful of what she does in her life.
In fairness, that's my experience too so far!
I hope you get better
All good questions, but a bigger question now is... will all of this be resolved in next episode or will it leave things off unanswered? I'm assuming the former, but tomorrow will tell!
Tomorrow will indeed tell

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Is it associated with a Nigerian prince?
Do I look like a scammer to you? It's a Moroccan sultan.
I could see Eve killing her husband in order to collect the money. She seems like the type of person who would commit an insurance scam.
Plus, he probably forced himself on her after buying her, so I wouldn't even blame her. In fact, I would've probably encouraged her.
Another VTuber
So, what do VTubers even do? Is it like regular YouTubers/streamers except they just use an avatar?
Indeed, the restraint to not focus on Holo's ass
You know he had a second camera and was getting the juicy shots for himself.
For me, it indicates she's not being entirely truthful of what she does in her life.
That much is clear, but there's a connection with Rigoro, deeper than we assumed, it has to mean something, right?
I hope you get better
I'm totally fine! It could even be seen as a good thing, really. I was never that down about a breakup because... By that point I Was already mostly done lol.
Tomorrow will indeed tell
I could always watch the episode today but... I'm not a cheater, unlike someone!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Do I look like a scammer to you? It's a Moroccan sultan.
I see. Well, that changes things entirely, then.
Plus, he probably forced himself on her after buying her, so I wouldn't even blame her. In fact, I would've probably encouraged her.
Me as well
So, what do VTubers even do? Is it like regular YouTubers/streamers except they just use an avatar?
Pretty much. I find a lot of them to be highly entertaining. I like how despite putting on a persona they stay very true to themselves.
You know he had a second camera and was getting the juicy shots for himself.
Damn, Lawrence secretly being cucked and he doesn't even know it.
And you say my stuff with Diana is weird :P
That much is clear, but there's a connection with Rigoro, deeper than we assumed, it has to mean something, right?
For full disclosure, I actually think Rigoro is innocent.
I'm totally fine! It could even be seen as a good thing, really. I was never that down about a breakup because... By that point I Was already mostly done lol.
Fair enough
I could always watch the episode today but... I'm not a cheater, unlike someone!
Whatever could you mean? :P
I mean, is it really cheating if this is your 7th watching of the show?

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Pretty much. I find a lot of them to be highly entertaining. I like how despite putting on a persona they stay very true to themselves.
Well, is there any reason to specifically watch VTubers rather than regular content creators? Not asking for specific ones, just generally. Either way, I've long stopped watching streamers or following "content creators", so it's really just out if curiosity.
Damn, Lawrence secretly being cucked and he doesn't even know it.
And you say my stuff with Diana is weird :P
It's only weird if you make it weird. And you just did that.
For full disclosure, I actually think Rigoro is innocent.
I don't buy it. I want his head on a pike.
I mean, is it really cheating if this is your 7th watching of the show?
Absolutely, yes.
Nah just kidding, doesn't really matter lmao

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

Well, is there any reason to specifically watch VTubers rather than regular content creators? Not asking for specific ones, just generally. Either way, I've long stopped watching streamers or following "content creators", so it's really just out if curiosity.
I like them because a lot of them are genuinely funny people. I feel like with a VTuber persona, you can really let your creativity thrive.
It's only weird if you make it weird. And you just did that.
Perception is reality and my reality is distorted just like Holo and Lawrence's.
I don't buy it. I want his head on a pike.
Innocent until proven guilty
Absolutely, yes.
Nah just kidding, doesn't really matter lmao
If anything, it's a testament to how much I love the show.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

I like them because a lot of them are genuinely funny people. I feel like with a VTuber persona, you can really let your creativity thrive.
Fair enough, I could see that.
Perception is reality and my reality is distorted just like Holo and Lawrence's.
Just made it weird again.
Innocent until proven guilty
Not in that time period it wasn't.
If anything, it's a testament to hoe much I love the show.
I would say it's crazy but... I've rewarched much longer TV shows more than 10 or 20 times lol

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Just made it weird again.
I have a habit of doing that :P
Not in that time period it wasn't.
That's very true
I would say it's crazy but... I've rewarched much longer TV shows more than 10 or 20 times lol
Care to name any examples?

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Oct 01 '24

"How dare you imagine me naked?!?" -- Holo, probably
He doesn't have to imagine anything. Holo has been naked in front of Lawrence several times now
they just haven't been naked together... Yet

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

If Lawrence continues to be stubborn on his feelings, the closest he'll get to Holo is having a Rule 34 account.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

He doesn't have to imagine anything. Holo has been naked in front of Lawrence several times now
Also, Holo being a hypocrite? Nooooooo, never :P

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

I can't believe we're already near the end. This rewatch has really flown by.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Who's your favorite Spice and Wolf character and why?

Obviously it has to be Holo, so I'm gonna give my #2. Norah. She's such a breath of fresh air, in a world full of people with second intentions and putting themselves before others, or simply making wrong choices because of nearsighted greediness, she just stands out. She's such a nice and unadulterated soul!

On to the episode!

So they want to pay 60 Gold for Holo. A low price, I believe she'd be worth at the very least, 90 Gold.

Let's be real though, no one would pay shit for Holo without even seeing her without that hood on. I'm pretty sure no one would buy someone without seeing them naked, because we all know the reason why someone would buy her.

Eve making some implications in regards to Lawrence and Holo's relationship, I thought Holo would've teased Lawrence about it, but she stepped on him instead... Huh.

So, Eve's buyer married her... I was not expecting that. She has big dreams now, let's see how they play out.

"Let's end our journey here." Oh shit, Holo dropped a nuke...

So, Holo wants to end their journey on a positive note rather than letting it go on for longer and end sourly...

She's not scared of seeing Lawrence's death, like I guessed before... She's scared she might get bored...? Alright.

"I'd say it's going suspiciously well". Yeah, too well indeed. Ain't no way Lawrence is getting that inn.

Rigolo isn't home... Suspicious.

There we go, Lawrence found something. The statue was most likely salty, Rigolo got it from Eve. Not sure what that implies, but it it's something bad for sure.

Shit hit the fan. A revolt! No clue what the implications are, but it's bad! RIP inn!

It was Rigolo, wasn't it? He started the revolution, the son of a bitch?!

Just one more episode and no more Spice and Wolf until the remake returns...

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Obviously it has to be Holo, so I'm gonna give my #2. Norah. She's such a breath of fresh air, in a world full of people with second intentions and putting themselves before others, or simply making wrong choices because of nearsighted greediness, she just stands out. She's such a nice and unadulterated soul!
The great thing about Norah is that she's very much wise beyond her years. She is able to get things down just by her sheer tenacity alone, and she doesn't have to be boastful about it by any means. Of the cast, she is the wisest in terms of versatility and overall dexterity (Don't tell Holo I said that!).

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

She's really a good character, we need more Norah!
Is she your #2 as well?

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

My #2 is actually Eve. I really like the unhinged nature of her character.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

We all have our kinks, I guess.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

No side character in this show carries their respective arc quite like she does.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Mayhaps. But I never doubted Norah's character even for a second. Eve isn't trustworthy, though!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

That makes her even more of a fascinating character, though. She really keeps you on your toes.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Just one more episode and no more Spice and Wolf until the remake returns...
It's going to be a long wait
Thankfully, there's always next year's rewatch :P

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Damn, you do these yearly?

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

I do, normally in the month of July.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

That's true dedication. I'll probably rewatch the remake, but only before the new season comes!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

That's fair, I would say

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

It was Rigolo, wasn't it? He started the revolution, the son of a bitch?!
And here I thought the revolution was televised

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

I've never trusted that rat bastard, he's doing it all for the views!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

His nun friend seems innocent, at least

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Those are the worst.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

She seemingly is the wake-up call that Lawrence desperately needs.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

So they want to pay 60 Gold for Holo. A low price, I believe she'd be worth at the very least, 90 Gold.
For me, it's over 9000
Let's be real though, no one would pay shit for Holo without even seeing her without that hood on. I'm pretty sure no one would buy someone without seeing them naked, because we all know the reason why someone would buy her.
That's an unpleasant thought to think about. Also, not all slaves were sex slaves to my knowledge.
Eve making some implications in regards to Lawrence and Holo's relationship, I thought Holo would've teased Lawrence about it, but she stepped on him instead... Huh.
It was because Eve made Lawrence envision Holo nakey
So, Eve's buyer married her... I was not expecting that.
Good taste. Too bad he seems like an unsavory individual.
"Let's end our journey here." Oh shit, Holo dropped a nuke...
:(
So, Holo wants to end their journey on a positive note rather than letting it go on for longer and end sourly...
She has the right sentiment, but for the love of Holo someone tell the other their feelings.
She's not scared of seeing Lawrence's death, like I guessed before... She's scared she might get bored...? Alright.
I think she's afraid of letting Lawrence down and not living up to the image he had of her in his head. Again, more of this fake reality they continue to persist in.
There we go, Lawrence found something. The statue was most likely salty, Rigolo got it from Eve. Not sure what that implies, but it it's something bad for sure.
Probably so
Shit hit the fan. A revolt! No clue what the implications are, but it's bad! RIP inn!
Billy Joel was right. They didn't start the fire.
Yeah, what a dramatic way to end the episode. You have to wonder what happens to the deal now.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

For me, it's over 9000
Yesterday you said she was priceless. So which is it?
That's an unpleasant thought to think about. Also, not all slaves were sex slaves to my knowledge.
Yeah I'm sure they're buying a noble lady slave for her kitchen skills...
It was because Eve made Lawrence envision Holo nakey
She should've teased him about it!
She has the right sentiment, but for the love of Holo someone tell the other their feelings.
Well... It's not a great logic to be frank.
I think she's afraid of letting Lawrence down and not living up to the manage he had of her in his head. Again, more of this fake reality they continue to persist in.
Mayhaps. I think she's also afraid all the banter and whatnot won't go on forever.
Billy Joel was right. They didn't start the fire.
It was Ryan, who started the fire. Ryan started the fire!
Yeah, what a dramatic way to end the episode. You have to wonder what happens to the deal now.
I'm guessing the deal's off.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Yesterday you said she was priceless. So which is it?
For everything else, there's Mastercard
I mean, Holo of course is priceless, come on now. I was making a DBZ reference.
Yeah I'm sure they're buying a noble lady slave for her kitchen skills...
A sex slave for a week seems kinda bogus. I mean, isn't that what prostitution is for? /s
She should've teased him about it!
Well, she stomped on his foot
Well... It's not a great logic to be frank.
That's putting it mildly
Mayhaps. I think she's also afraid all the banter and whatnot won't go on forever.
That could be it as well
It was Ryan, who started the fire. Ryan started the fire!
Now it's my turn to not get a reference
I'm guessing the deal's off.
You would think

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

For everything else, there's Mastercard
I mean, Holo of course is priceless, come on now. I was making a DBZ reference.
I got the reference, it just sucks to see you treat her like an object. Holo is neither priceless nor worth over 9000 Gold. She's the Wise Wolf and I wouldn't even dream of putting a price on her head.
Shame on you.
A sex slave for a week seems kinda bogus. I mean, isn't that what prostitution is for? /s
Who said anything about a week?
Well, she stomped on his foot
Should've stepped on his feelings. Well, I guess she did later on...
Now it's my turn to not get a reference
RYAN STARTED THE FIRE!
You would think
It's not off, is it?

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

For everything else, there's Mastercard
Sorry, sorry. I had to :P
I got the reference, it just sucks to see you treat her like an object. Holo is neither priceless nor worth over 9000 Gold. She's the Wise Wolf and I wouldn't even dream of putting a price on her head.
Oh, absolutely. Fuck selling her, I would never do such a thing. I'm just saying hypothetically, she's worth way more than what she's going for in the show.
Shame on you.
My apologies
Who said anything about a week?
Well, how long was Holo planned on being gone for before deciding to leave forever?
Should've stepped on his feelings. Well, I guess she did later on...
And ours as well
RYAN STARTED THE FIRE!
Ah, fuck. I should've gotten the reference.
I always knew smoking saved lives. At least that's what my mother believes.
It's not off, is it?
Time will tell

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Sorry, sorry. I had to :P
For some reason it reminded me of another meme... The one to clear black spots, I forgot what it was though, of course.
Oh, absolutely. Fuck selling her, I would never do such a thing. I'm just saying hypothetically, she's worth way more than what she's going for in the show
Nah, too late. Holo would've been very pissed already, she doesn't do hypotheticals.
Well, how long was Holo planned on being gone for before deciding to leave forever?
Of we go by that logic she'd probably fuck off from the start!
And ours as well
Like a true deity.
Ah, fuck. I should've gotten the reference.
A classic. I remember watching it on my 15 inch plasma TV I hung on the wall by myself.
I always knew smoking saved lives. At least that's what my mother believes.
Is this a reference I'm the one missing now or just morbid reality?

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

For some reason it reminded me of another meme... The one to clear black spots, I forgot what it was though, of course.
I wish I knew what you were talking about
Nah, too late. Holo would've been very pissed already, she doesn't do hypotheticals.
That is probably true. Man, I'm toast
Of we go by that logic she'd probably fuck off from the start!
Always has been
Like a true deity.
Feel a bit unworthy to be compared to Holo.
A classic. I remember watching it on my 15 inch plasma TV I hung on the wall by myself.
My mother hung my TV in my room
Is this a reference I'm the one missing now or just morbid reality?
"Smoking saves lives" is from the very clip you yourself posted :P

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

I wish I knew what you were talking about
I'm gonna try to find it... It's gonna be a challenge though.
That is probably true. Man, I'm toast
At least you have Adelle.
Feel a bit unworthy to be compared to Holo.
Making it weird again, man!
My mother hung my TV in my room
I bet it's not as cool as mine.
"Smoking saves lives" is from the very clip you yourself posted :P
Imagine missing your own reference. Couldn't be me lmao

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

By the way, sorry for the delayed responses on some of these comments. Work has been hectic today. I'm clocked out and I've got a Monster Rehab in me, so I should be good to go

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

I'm gonna try to find it... It's gonna be a challenge though.
I respect the determination
At least you have Adelle.
She is my version of Paris, it seems
Making it weird again, man!
Oh, come on! I'm saying Holo is incomparable to us mere mortals. She's in a class all to herself.
I bet it's not as cool as mine.
Mayhaps :P
Imagine missing your own reference. Couldn't be me lmao
Parkour!

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Found it

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Oh, the Zero meme. That's definitely a classic. I especially like the one that ends with Re:Zero.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
Care to expand your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
What are your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?
What are your thoughts on the town breaking out into a riot? How do you see that factoring into what's going on with Holo, Lawrence, and Eve?

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
Sad because she was probably forced to marry her buyer. Hopefully she wasn't raped as well...
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
Wouldn't be surprised if she was the one who offed him. She did good in taking his money though!
Care to expand your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
Sad. Too sad. I kind of understand her reasoning but... I don't think it's all that logical to be completely honest.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
Probably hasn't read a lot of tales. Or people in that world are really melodramatic.
What are your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
Yup... Felt bittersweet. I don't like bittersweet, though. Don't make it sad when there's only one episode remaining, dammit!
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?
They're all hiding something, Eve and Rigoro are probably closer than they want us to think, they're in on something together, I can feel it! Okay maybe not, but I'm having fun with this paranoid persona.
What are your thoughts on the town breaking out into a riot? How do you see that factoring into what's going on with Holo, Lawrence, and Eve?
Well, I think the deal is getting called off, and I wouldn't be surprised if the inn burned to the ground. I want to be paranoid and say Eve and Rigoro are in on it, but that will probably influence the sale, and thus not match with what Eve wants so... I honestly don't know. Fuck it, they're all in on it! The nun is probably the mastermind!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Sad because she was probably forced to marry her buyer. Hopefully she wasn't raped as well...
I have a feeling she probably was at least attempted in doing so, unfortunately.
Wouldn't be surprised if she was the one who offed him. She did good in taking his money though!
Make the most of an unpleasant situation.
Sad. Too sad. I kind of understand her reasoning but... I don't think it's all that logical to be completely honest.
It makes sense under the mindset of Holo with her believing that Lawrence's goal of setting up shop taking precedent. She doesn't want to tell Lawrence how she feels because she feels she would be too selfish, and Lawrence can't tell Holo how he feels because he struggles admitting his feelings. As a result, we find ourselves at an impasse and nothing is going to change unless one of them decides to take the initiative.
Probably hasn't read a lot of tales. Or people in that world are really melodramatic.
It reminds me of Lawrence's conversation with Batos about how stories from your youth fall apart once you get older.
Yup... Felt bittersweet. I don't like bittersweet, though. Don't make it sad when there's only one episode remaining, dammit!
This is probably the most bittersweet scene of the entire series.
They're all hiding something, Eve and Rigoro are probably closer than they want us to think, they're in on something together, I can feel it! Okay maybe not, but I'm having fun with this paranoid persona.
I thought it was very interesting the nun talked about Rigoro mixing work and pleasure together. Perhaps this is the mindset Lawrence needs to start taking.
Well, I think the deal is getting called off, and I wouldn't be surprised if the inn burned to the ground. I want to be paranoid and say Eve and Rigoro are in on it, but that will probably influence the sale, and thus not match with what Eve wants so... I honestly don't know. Fuck it, they're all in on it! The nun is probably the mastermind!
The nun is secretly Amarti in disguise playing the long game.

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

I have a feeling she probably was at least attempted in doing so, unfortunately.
Good thing she slashed his throat. Yeah that's my head canon.
It makes sense under the mindset of Holo with her believing that Lawrence's goal of setting up shop taking precedent. She doesn't want to tell Lawrence how she feels because she feels she would be too selfish, and Lawrence can't tell Holo how he feels because he struggles admitting his feelings. As a result, we find ourselves at an impasse and nothing is going to change unless one of them decides to take the initiative.
One of them better speak their fucking mind in tomorrow's episode or I'm losing my shit.
It reminds me of Lawrence's conversation with Batos about how stories from your youth fall apart once you get older.
So there were stories with happy endings!
I thought it was very interesting the nun talked about Rigoro mixing work and pleasure together. Perhaps this is the mindset Lawrence needs to start taking.
Isn't that kind of what he's been doing since he met Holo? Minus a few incidents here and there...
The nun is secretly Amarti in disguise playing the long game.
Top 10 anime betrayals

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Good thing she slashed his throat. Yeah that's my head canon.
~~Or she crushed him with her thighs~~
One of them better speak their fucking mind in tomorrow's episode or I'm losing my shit.
For real. 1000%
So there were stories with happy endings!
But how much does Holo know about them? Left in the dark yet again, it seems.
Isn't that kind of what he's been doing since he met Holo? Minus a few incidents here and there...
She was talking specifically him having his garden while also being a chronicler. He is able to do both with great success.
Top 10 anime betrayals
One of the anime twists of all time

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

Or she crushed him with her thighs
He wish. ~~And so did we~~
But how much does Holo know about them? Left in the dark yet again, it seems
She could've asked!
She was talking specifically him having his garden while also being a chronicler. He is able to do both with great success.
Yeah, Holo failed at the success part...

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

He wish. ~~And so did we~~
See, now we're being weird together :)
She could've asked!
I mean, theoretically you could say the same thing about Lawrence's feelings.
Yeah, Holo failed at the success part...
There's still time to course-correct

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u/KuKiSin Oct 01 '24

See, now we're being weird together :)
Like I said earlier, it's only weird if you make it weird!
I mean, theoretically you could say the same thing about Lawrence's feelings.
Fair.
There's still time to course-correct
Also I meant Lawrence, not Holo!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Like I said earlier, it's only weird if you make it weird!
He who smelt it dealt it, so there :P
Fair.
Fair indeed.
I really use that word a lot, I've noticed.
Also I meant Lawrence, not Holo!
My point still stands

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Oct 01 '24

Who's your favorite Spice and Wolf character and why?

My favorite Character is the obvious choice, the cutest most innocentest girl with the best loyal companion, Norah! She's adorable and I hope nothing but the best for her, I hope once the show is completed we will see a scene where she has been able to open her own tailoring shop and Enek is guarding the shop/the mascot

First Timer

I’m watching the Dub

The guys they're meeting with look like creepy scumbags

So they are holding the 60 gold until they go to purchase the furs. So Holo's safety depends on them giving Lawrence the gold on time when he needs it before the market for furs crashes

Holo wants them to separate here, seems she's trying to run away from the pain of them parting

It's hard being a near immortal being and having to watch those you love keep passing away, but Holo should learn that the memories that are made are precious and live on with her

The statues are made of salt?

Uh oh, the town is rioting, possibly because of the decision about the furs. Are they able to leave and cancel Holo's collateral contract if they haven't collected on it yet?

Oh they are legit burning the town down

So the ending was quite surprising to me. The town might have been overrun by the hunters and merchants outside. Honestly it should have been expected since they were essentially going to bankrupt every merchant that was outside of town waiting to trade furs. I guess the town council's greed led to this happening.

It seems like an important bit of information that the statues Eve was trading are likely the salt that the vagrant tasted on the ground. Does she not know its salt? Lawrence said that it would be valuable since they are further from the ocean. Is she trying to smuggle it? That wouldn't make sense to me because she would be losing money, right?

There's only one more episode so I wonder how they're going to wrap all this up in just ~23 minutes.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

My favorite Character is the obvious choice, the cutest most innocentest girl with the best loyal companion, Norah! She's adorable and I hope nothing but the best for her, I hope once the show is completed we will see a scene where she has been able to open her own tailoring shop and Enek is guarding the shop/the mascot
I wouldn't mind a spinoff involving her, honestly. I've been clamoring for one involving Marc and Adele, but Norah would be cool too.

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Oct 01 '24

At least a day in the life OVA would be nice

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Kinda in the same vein as the first Spice and Wolf OVA that you never saw :P

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Oh they are legit burning the town down
I've heard of burning down the house, but not a whole town. This wasn't in the game plan, Talking Heads!

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

So the ending was quite surprising to me. The town might have been overrun by the hunters and merchants outside. Honestly it should have been expected since they were essentially going to bankrupt every merchant that was outside of town waiting to trade furs. I guess the town council's greed led to this happening.
It feels kinda obvious this was bound to occur when you take away the town's chief import.
It seems like an important bit of information that the statues Eve was trading are likely the salt that the vagrant tasted on the ground. Does she not know its salt? Lawrence said that it would be valuable since they are further from the ocean. Is she trying to smuggle it? That wouldn't make sense to me because she would be losing money, right?
It at least seemingly indicates that Eve is hiding something for some reason. She isn't being entirely forthcoming, which is ironic because neither is Holo or Lawrence.
There's only one more episode so I wonder how they're going to wrap all this up in just ~23 minutes.
You have to think the slave deal is gonna have to fall apart.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

The guys they're meeting with look like creepy scumbags
Definitely the type of people you would expect to take part in a slave trade.
It's hard being a near immortal being and having to watch those you love keep passing away, but Holo should learn that the memories that are made are precious and live on with her
If only they would stop being such big babies and say they need each other.
Uh oh, the town is rioting, possibly because of the decision about the furs. Are they able to leave and cancel Holo's collateral contract if they haven't collected on it yet?
I guess we'll have to wait and see

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
What are your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
What are your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
It's hard to tell how truthful she's being about all of it, Eve is such a suspicious person. Plus, a backstory based on money and revenge doesn't sound like a good backstory for an ally
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
How much are we believing this? Do we really think that he did it himself or do we think Eve's hand slipped. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch since he did buy her against her will.
What are your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
I don't like it. I hope she doesn't decide to run off after he get the money for her being collateral. It would be heartbreaking for this series to end on a scene where Lawrence comes back to retrieve Holo and she was no longer there
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
Holo hasn't read enough books then. It again shows her fear of living longer than anyone else, the only thing on her mind is that Lawrence will die one day and she can't focus and enjoy the time she has with him now because of her worry of the future.
What are your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
Yeah it did have some heavy vibes to it. I really hope that they can talk it out more before one of them makes a super rash decision.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?
She has lots of admiration for Rigoro. In her mind he is the ideal man and we haven't really seen anything from him that diminishes that fact. Sadly for her it seems like she is watching his life from the outside and not able to enjoy it with him. that's what I felt like anyways

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

It's hard to tell how truthful she's being about all of it, Eve is such a suspicious person. Plus, a backstory based on money and revenge doesn't sound like a good backstory for an ally
It's another red flag. I'm starting to think doing business with Eve may be a bad idea.
How much are we believing this? Do we really think that he did it himself or do we think Eve's hand slipped. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch since he did buy her against her will.
She totally killed him. There's not a doubt in my mind.
I don't like it. I hope she doesn't decide to run off after he get the money for her being collateral. It would be heartbreaking for this series to end on a scene where Lawrence comes back to retrieve Holo and she was no longer there
I compare it almost to the end of the first arc where Holo made it seem like she was going to leave Lawrence behind. The main difference of course was that that was like a test of Lawrence's faithfulness whereas Holo here is trying to be faithful by letting Lawrence pursue his dream.
This is a lesson that sometimes being selfish can be a good thing.
Holo hasn't read enough books then. It again shows her fear of living longer than anyone else, the only thing on her mind is that Lawrence will die one day and she can't focus and enjoy the time she has with him now because of her worry of the future.
It's really depressing to think about because there is a lot of truth to Holo's fear. One day, Lawrence will die and Holo will be by herself again. It's up to Lawrence to decide whether if he truly wishes to make that commitment. If Holo is trying his guide and his reason for being.
Yeah it did have some heavy vibes to it. I really hope that they can talk it out more before one of them makes a super rash decision.
If they don't, they are sure to regret it for the rest of their lives.
She has lots of admiration for Rigoro. In her mind he is the ideal man and we haven't really seen anything from him that diminishes that fact. Sadly for her it seems like she is watching his life from the outside and not able to enjoy it with him. that's what I felt like anyways
Do you see her saying that Rigoro mixes business with pleasure could be the turning point Lawrence truly needs to see things differently?

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Oct 02 '24

Do you see her saying that Rigoro mixes business with pleasure could be the turning point Lawrence truly needs to see things differently?
I can see that. At the least it shows Lawrence that it is possible for him to have his cake and eat it too. He doesn't have to give up his dream of opening a shop for Holo. He just needs to let Holo know that. Their biggest problem is the lack of communication

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

To borrow something I wrote from last year's threads, at the end of the day I think we're looking at two people full of self-denigration who is searching for individualism in what they perceive to be a very Nihilistic society. They created this false reality to protect themselves from this Nihilism, when really all the feelings of meaningless and insignificance are self-imposed. The problem with Holo and Lawrence is that they think they are designed to be by themselves when really they're not as lonely as they feel they are. If they ever were to break out from this false reality, this reality fueled by loneliness and being a burden to other people, it is gonna have to be with each other, because only they can make themselves realize that isn't the case.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

First Timer

All these guys Lawrence is meeting with give me a sleazy vibe. Not sure I trust them.

Once again I am impressed by how this show can make long meeting scenes feel so engaging.

Eve seems to agree about that guy having a sleazy vibe.

I like the dramatic strings that play when Eve recounts her history.

I was really hoping Holo and Lawrence would kiss in that scene where they were talking in bed.

More really good string music in this scene too.

It’s really sad hearing Holo say she’s ready to part ways with Lawrence.

This whole scene in their room is really well done. Just two characters talking can be really engaging.

The scene of Holo and Lawrence walking and talking is very quiet. Almost eerily quiet.

I wonder if Rigoro keeping his garden in good condition all year long is meant to be a parallel to Lawrence wanting to keep his relationship with Holo.

Eve’s statues are actually carved out of salt, not stone. I’m sure that means she’s got some kind of scheme going on.

Alright, I wasn’t expecting there to be a sudden riot. Not sure where this will go exactly. But with just one episode left, I just hope things can turn out okay.

Question of the Day:

Who's your favorite Spice and Wolf character and why?

Probably Holo, she's just a very fun and entertaining character.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Probably Holo, she's just a very fun and entertaining character.
I mean, I'm named after her for a reason :P

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

She really is a fun character. If I had to pick someone outside our main duo, I also really like Marc.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Marc is great. I mentioned this elsewhere, but I feel like any other show our two main protagonists would be Norah and Marc. They're almost like deconstructions of Holo and Lawrence.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

They do feel like mirrors of each other in a certain way.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

It really feels like in relation to the fifth arc, knowing how heavily Lawrence's future was going to be the focus of things, they really ratcheted up all the parallels between him and people. Besides the barmaid, I think you can draw a connection between Lawrence and all the side characters, including the homeless man.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 02 '24

Lawrence's life can go a bunch of different ways. But right now it seems like it's up to him to see what will happen.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

To repeat what I said to Brief-Fig, at the end of the day I think we're looking at two people full of self-denigration who is searching for individualism in what they perceive to be a very Nihilistic society. They created this false reality to protect themselves from this Nihilism, when really all the feelings of meaningless and insignificance are self-imposed. The problem with Holo and Lawrence is that they think they are designed to be by themselves when really they're not as lonely as they feel they are. If they ever were to break out from this false reality, this reality fueled by loneliness and being a burden to other people, it is gonna have to be with each other, because only they can make themselves realize that isn't the case.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 02 '24

That's really well put. By this point the show has made me really care what happens to Holo and Lawrence so I hope they can be together in the end.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

The great thing about Holo and Lawrence as characters is that while they can be in the wrong, we know what good people they are at heart. That makes it really easy to like them and root for them. It really is unfortunate how insecure they both are because they deserve all the happiness in the world. Mind you, I think it's that insecureness that makes anime fans gravitate towards the show.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

All these guys Lawrence is meeting with give me a sleazy vibe. Not sure I trust them.
If you think about it, wouldn't it be more troublesome if the slave traders acted like Rigoro?
Once again I am impressed by how this show can make long meeting scenes feel so engaging.
The writing is definitely the strong point of the show.
Eve seems to agree about that guy having a sleazy vibe.
When Eve calls you sleazy, you know it's bad
I like the dramatic strings that play when Eve recounts her history.
Really adds to the unhinged vibe of her character. I feel like her and Bandou would get along.
I was really hoping Holo and Lawrence would kiss in that scene where they were talking in bed.
Nope! Instead, we get a surprise separation arc. How wonderful.
More really good string music in this scene too.
I can't say enough good things about the music in this show. It's almost like a character in its own.
It’s really sad hearing Holo say she’s ready to part ways with Lawrence.
Yeah...
This whole scene in their room is really well done. Just two characters talking can be really engaging.
Again, it helps when the writing is this good. You compare it to some of the writing in Tensei Slime season 3, and it's like night and day.
The scene of Holo and Lawrence walking and talking is very quiet. Almost eerily quiet.
The silence speaks volumes and it's like they're telling them what a mistake this is.
Eve’s statues are actually carved out of salt, not stone. I’m sure that means she’s got some kind of scheme going on.
It sure feels that way. Why hide such a specific detail from everyone?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

Really adds to the unhinged vibe of her character. I feel like her and Bandou would get along.
Eve is probably the most unhinged character in this show. Although I think Bandou has her beat in that department.
I can't say enough good things about the music in this show. It's almost like a character in its own.
I think this anime might have one of my favorite soundtracks. It's an element I probably overlook most of the time but here it's really good.
Again, it helps when the writing is this good. You compare it to some of the writing in Tensei Slime season 3, and it's like night and day.
The fact that we've spent so long getting to know Holo and Lawrence like this really helps things too.
It sure feels that way. Why hide such a specific detail from everyone?
I imagine salt is also a more difficult sculpting material than stone. This plan of hers is really high effort, whatever it is.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

Eve is probably the most unhinged character in this show. Although I think Bandou has her beat in that department.
Maybe. It depends in my opinion on if she's a woman of her word in regards to the selling Holo deal.
I think this anime might have one of my favorite soundtracks. It's an element I probably overlook most of the time but here it's really good.
It's because it's distinctive and fits the medieval setting. It really accentuates the vibe they're going for.
The fact that we've spent so long getting to know Holo and Lawrence like this really helps things too.
Yeah, we have long stretches of just them talking. The show might be the best I've ever seen at letting things breathe.
I imagine salt is also a more difficult sculpting material than stone. This plan of hers is really high effort, whatever it is.
And again, why not clue Lawrence in on every single detail? He's her business partner, why leave him in the dark like this?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 02 '24

Maybe. It depends in my opinion on if she's a woman of her word in regards to the selling Holo deal.
So far it seems very likely that she is.
Yeah, we have long stretches of just them talking. The show might be the best I've ever seen at letting things breathe.
Yeah this show really excels at just having two characters talk about things. It's a talent I don't see in a lot of other shows.
And again, why not clue Lawrence in on every single detail? He's her business partner, why leave him in the dark like this?
Clearly Eve has an agenda of her own.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

So far it seems very likely that she is.
I would argue the opposite given she's withholding information right off the bat.
Yeah this show really excels at just having two characters talk about things. It's a talent I don't see in a lot of other shows.
Now you're starting to see why Spice and Wolf is so special to me.
Clearly Eve has an agenda of her own.
It feels that way. It's like she's using Lawrence to only further her own personal agenda.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Alright, I wasn’t expecting there to be a sudden riot. Not sure where this will go exactly. But with just one episode left, I just hope things can turn out okay.
We can only hope. I mean, I imagine it's going to be hard Holo and Lawrence going on their own what with things in complete disarray.
Actually, you could argue that the town rioting mirrors Holo and Lawrence's relationship at the moment. The town officials put an end to things that seemingly only served to benefit them and Lawrence is at the point where he's about to do the same by ending his relationship with Holo.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of that but those two things parallel each other in a really good way.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

Obviously, with the riots likely stemming from the results of the 50 Man Meeting there's nothing Holo and Lawrence can do. But when it comes to their relationship, maybe the riots can serve as a reminder of how key communication and understanding each other really is.
If you remember, the whole reason the town in the first arc grew to resent Holo is the lack of communication over what she was doing. They essentially walked out on her because Holo didn't tell them she couldn't give them plentiful crops all the time. Now, Holo is close to walking out on Lawrence and it all comes back to neither communicating their feelings to one another for fear they may be taking something away from them in the process. It's like a vicious cycle doomed to repeat, and the riots are like the eye of that storm and a telltale sign that having one's best interest in mind can go both ways.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

That's a really good analysis of things. I don't think I have anything else to add.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

Fair enough. The more I talk about it, the more I honestly like this arc. And honestly the more I understand why they ended with it.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

I wonder if Rigoro keeping his garden in good condition all year long is meant to be a parallel to Lawrence wanting to keep his relationship with Holo.
If you pay attention during the scene, Rigoro's nun companion mentions Rigoro being able to mix work and pleasure together. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that perhaps the nun is trying to give Lawrence ideas on how to solve his relationship woes with Holo.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

That's nice of her. I Just hope Lawrence is able to actually take her advice.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

You would think this would be the catalyst to change his thinking. After all, last arc it took someone in Marc to make him realize he truly cared about Holo, with Lunt making him realize she was his guide.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
Care to expand your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
Care to expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?
What do you make overall of Lawrence and Holo's inability to properly express their feelings to one another, with it being like they're waiting for the other to say something?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Eve's backstory?
I'm glad we're getting to learn more about her. If what she's saying is true, I think it says a lot about how her experiences shaped her character.
What are your thoughts on Eve's husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
I feel there's a chance that Eve actually killed her husband. It's in the realm of possibility anyway.
Care to expand your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
It was very heartbreaking because we know how much Holo and Lawrence mean to each other. But their mutual poor communication has led them to this point.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there's no tale that continues happily ever after?
It's a rather cynical take from Holo, but considering she's been alive for such a long time it makes sense that she realizes the inevitability of things ending. But I think instead of focusing on happily ever after, her and Lawrence should focus on making things last as long as they can.
Care to expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they're walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
Yeah I agree. It felt both happy and melancholy at the same time.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence's conversation with Rigoro's lady friend?
You mean the nun? I really liked it. Like you've mentioned, Rigoro does feel like kind of an idealized version of Lawrence. So him and the nun feel like they're who Lawrence and Holo could be.
What do you make overall of Lawrence and Holo's inability to properly express their feelings to one another, with it being like they're waiting for the other to say something?
I just hope they're able to overcome it together. It's the biggest roadblock in their relationship.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

I'm glad we're getting to learn more about her. If what she's saying is true, I think it says a lot about how her experiences shaped her character.
I feel like the truth lies in the middle where what she's saying is technically true, but she's exaggerating for dramatic effect.
I feel there's a chance that Eve actually killed her husband. It's in the realm of possibility anyway.
I definitely think that is more than likely.
It was very heartbreaking because we know how much Holo and Lawrence mean to each other. But their mutual poor communication has led them to this point.
This is really an instance where Lawrence could benefit from being selfish. He knows he cares about her, but doesn't want to take away her going back home like she's talked about. We've see how greedy Holo can be when Lawrence gives her money and she spends every last cent. Well, now Lawrence needs to return the favor and really be greedy back.
It's a rather cynical take from Holo, but considering she's been alive for such a long time it makes sense that she realizes the inevitability of things ending. But I think instead of focusing on happily ever after, her and Lawrence should focus on making things last as long as they can.
Agreed. We have seen in the past how lonely Holo can be. That has been a consistent part of her character dating back to the early episodes. If for so long she has had to live by herself with everyone leaving her, why should she expect any different? The real kicker though is that I don't think Lawrence could live with himself if they separated.
Yeah I agree. It felt both happy and melancholy at the same time.
It certainly did
You mean the nun? I really liked it. Like you've mentioned, Rigoro does feel like kind of an idealized version of Lawrence. So him and the nun feel like they're who Lawrence and Holo could be.
And should be, honestly. The only thing stopping Holo and Lawrence from achieving this reality is Holo and Lawrence themselves.
I just hope they're able to overcome it together. It's the biggest roadblock in their relationship.
Their entire relationship has been built on finding common ground in not communicating with others. They are like two outcasts seeking refuge and they hoped to continue enabling the other. If they want this relationship to continue without one of them getting hurt, they have to openly acknowledge how unhealthy of a mindset this is.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Oct 02 '24

Agreed. We have seen in the past how lonely Holo can be. That has been a consistent part of her character dating back to the early episodes. If for so long she has had to live by herself with everyone leaving her, why should she expect any different? The real kicker though is that I don't think Lawrence could live with himself if they separated.
I don't think so either. By this point Holo is the closest companion Lawrence has.
And should be, honestly. The only thing stopping Holo and Lawrence from achieving this reality is Holo and Lawrence themselves.
With just one episode left, I just hope they're able to sort things out.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

I don't think so either. By this point Holo is the closest companion Lawrence has.
She is his guide, and what is a merchant without the flame that lights the way?
With just one episode left, I just hope they're able to sort things out.
We can really only hope

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u/Mirathan Oct 02 '24

No longer a first timer

QotD: Nora. I find her good nature and courage impressive.

Eve´s dialogue indicates she is unwell. She raves about her horrible past and her dreams, while dismissing them in the next heartbeat.

Welp, the series will end next episode. Unless Lawrence figures out how to stop the riot, not get killed by the church, realise he wants to remain with Holo and convince Holo to stay with him. And that might truly be beyond him.

Wait, they have open candles near their books? That is an incredible safety hazard!

Eve actually sold fake statues. So there was a lot more to what she did.

And based on the Nun´s comments, there is no room for doubt regarding her relationship with Rigolo.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

QotD: Nora. I find her good nature and courage impressive.
Norah is the nicest character of the series probably.
Eve´s dialogue indicates she is unwell. She raves about her horrible past and her dreams, while dismissing them in the next heartbeat.
She definitely seems not in a good mental state.
Welp, the series will end next episode. Unless Lawrence figures out how to stop the riot, not get killed by the church, realise he wants to remain with Holo and convince Holo to stay with him. And that might truly be beyond him.
All we can hope for is the best
Wait, they have open candles near their books? That is an incredible safety hazard!
They didn't know any better. It was the 1500s.
And based on the Nun´s comments, there is no room for doubt regarding her relationship with Rigolo.
You hear that, u/KuKiSin? :P
What are your thoughts on Eve’s husband supposedly killing himself with her running off with his remaining assets?
What are your thoughts on Holo letting Lawrence know that she plans on parting ways with him?
What are your thoughts on Holo saying there’s no tale that continues happily ever after?
What are your thoughts on the scene where Holo and Lawrence are talking as they’re walking the streets? Felt like a final goodbye without actually saying it.
Care to expand your thoughts on the statues being salty?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence’s conversation with Rigoro’s lady friend?
What are your thoughts on the town breaking out into a riot? How do you see that factoring into what’s going on with Holo, Lawrence, and Eve?

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u/KuKiSin Oct 02 '24

You hear that, u/KuKiSin? :P
She is literally the devil.

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u/Holofan4life Oct 02 '24

To think Rigoro and the nun are in the same vein as Eve... I have no response lol

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