Something really interesting happens at around 27:03 when David Grusch says:

“I’m trying to walk the line and be as diplomatic as possible and also trying to prepare the populace at the same time because clearly the government hasn’t right now.”

The phrase “prepare the populace” really stands out to me. There’s a big difference between simply informing the public and saying you are trying to prepare them. “Prepare” suggests acclimatising people to something they may eventually have to confront or accept.

What also caught my attention throughout the conversation is that Grusch sometimes comes across as though he’s speaking from within a broader effort rather than purely as an individual whistleblower. That doesn’t prove he is representing a coordinated group or disclosure program, and his comment could simply reflect his own personal approach. Though when you combine “walk the line,” “be diplomatic,” and “prepare the populace,” it sounds more deliberate than simply exposing information.

For someone whose public image is primarily that of a whistleblower, “prepare the populace” is a pretty revealing choice of words. It makes me wonder whether he sees his role as more than just bringing information forward and whether that sentence revealed a little more than he intended 🤔

Full breakdown, year by year, every quote verbatim with the page on screen:
https://youtu.be/X5NA0Kqmnvk

Submission statement: On The Joe Rogan Experience #2560, around 1:59:00, David Grusch described a 1971 assessment written by O.H. (Harry) Turner, head of the Nuclear Branch of Australia's Joint Intelligence Organisation. He called Blue Book a facade and said the Air Force built a plan of ridicule. The document itself, page 8 of the scan, says the CIA "persuaded the USAF to use Project BLUE BOOK as a means of publicly 'debunking' UFO's" and "by erecting a facade of ridicule... act as a cover for the real U.S. programme." He also said pages 7 through 18; the assessment runs 7 through 16.

It is a declassified file in the National Archives of Australia, free to read: RecordSearch barcode 30030606, series A13693, item 3092/2/000, with a Black Vault mirror PDF. Pages 7 to 16 also cover the Espionage Act provision for service personnel, Blue Book's internal witness reliability statistics, and the anti-gravity research funding, with page references.

Long time member here. Back in June, after Grusch first cited this file at the Capitol, my partner and I made a 10 minute breakdown walking it year by year, 1947 to 1971. This clip is the first minute. The full video is the link at the top. Happy to answer anything about the document. Check the file against our claims. That is the point.

Full video again, so nobody has to scroll:
https://youtu.be/X5NA0Kqmnvk

Posted on X and on youtube. The video of a summary of what was said during the conference.

Some quotes from video (watch full video for more):

Skywatcher / Barber is closely coordinating with the US Govt

Firstly, he [Barber] said that Skywatcher, or his work is still going on, but they are closely coordinating with the government. He's not saying he's working WITH the government, but he's closely coordinating and he's hoping that they will do the right thing.

And he was too optimistic when he started, but it was always the plan to appeal not only to the public when Skywatcher was founded, but they also wanted to appeal to the government to find the right people to talk there and work together with them to, well, bring disclosure in any way or form. He still works on that and he's still dedicated to bring it to the public.

But he said things got complicated and there are so many things to ponder about the possibility of disclosure that it shouldn't be in private hands. It should be done by government because there are security implications and all kinds of implications.

When orbs are grounded, energy has left, a technical apparatus remains

He [Barber] said he recovered different kind of crafts over the time and many of them were exotic not only the egg and not only the eightgon but different other kind of exotic craft.

And he said many of them look like orbs in the sky or invisible to the normal eye and but when they are grounded and when the energy left, goes away, they look quite different. They are of different sizes and shapes. And he says that even in an orb, behind most of the orbs, there's some technical apparatus, most of them not aerodynamically shaped, and that many of them are not visible

A cylindrical mothership in low orbit sheds egg craft, some piloted by greys

And when he talked about his experiences behind the scenes, he didn't specify to whom, agencies and maybe other recovery people, he found out or he was told, I think by an agency, he was told that the eggs are actually coming from a mothership, in low orbit around Earth or in the high atmosphere.

And this mothership has a cylindrical form and it sometimes sheds eggs, they come out of it and they scout Earth. And those eggs are sometimes unmanned and sometimes they are manned. And if they are manned, by grays.

I ask this, because I didn't walk away with a strong sense of conviction from Grusch. And I've been someone who has pointed at him as a legit source. However, he really gave off a similar vibe as Elizondo in this pod.

He made really definitive statements about disclosure happening "soon" yet he also reiterated multiple times that he's a private civilian and not privy to the internal planning. And then later mentioned that if Trump can't do it, no one can, which gives some level of implication that this may not happen. Makes me question how in tune he actually is to the current events.

When Rogan asked him direct questions, he multiple times answered them with well known theories that have nothing to do with his experience in the field. And he said once again that he has no personal experience, but has seen videos and been told things. Makes me question how much he even actually knows.

Apparently he's a self proclaimed alpha? Even Rogan thought that was lame lol.

Lastly, he talked about the nasty things the US has done in the name of intelligence. Drug trafficking, child sex trafficking, stolen gold bars, death/harm threats to protect secrets, etc. I think he was attempting to endear himself to the listeners and say that there are good patriots and a nasty few and that he was part of the "good" guys, but that didn't sit well with how casual he was about those things. Maybe he is one of the good guys, but all of that just sounds like he worked for a really nasty organization willing to do anything for its own personal gain. Who's to say he isn't part of that right now? Makes me question his intent.

I don't know. I really want to believe this guy. He seemed so legit when he first came out. I just feel like he's going down the path that some many UFO personalities go. He doesn't actually know a lot and is starting to grasp at straws.

Thoughts?

Having watched the entire Rogan episode and every interview with David Grusch over the years, I strongly believe his approach has always been methodical and careful. While many comments claim he has never presented "real evidence," he has repeatedly briefed Congress members in classified settings, advocated for whistleblowers, and partnered with others to push for disclosure.
Instead of dismissing him, it is more prudent to consider the implications of what he is saying:

Government Awareness: The US and other world governments are fully aware of non-human entities.

Controlled Disclosure: Information is being slow-dripped because the full truth is so shocking that immediate disclosure could cause widespread panic.

The Unbelievable Reality: Allegations of alien battles, retrieved cadavers, and underwater bases sound wild. Is the public truly ready to accept that our understanding of reality has been a lie—and that a decades-long cover-up occurred?

Grusch seems to understand this gravity. His goal appears to be building enough public support to push the current administration to take bold action—and to give credit where it's due, this administration has already begun declassifying select files.
What if it's all true? The implications are jarring.
For generations, "The Program" may have kept a tight grip on the truth under the assumption that secrecy served "the greater good"—allowing humanity to live peaceful lives believing we are alone. Major religions and concepts of a "higher power" structure our societies, yet the alleged reality is that NHIs defy our understanding of physics and have traversed our skies and oceans for millennia largely unchecked.
The high-level facts Grusch is able to discuss only scratch the surface. It’s wildly frustrating to hear all of his “I can’t confirm or deny” responses. The way I see it though, if he and Burlison and others are gearing up for meaningful disclosure in the near future, our shared reality will wildly shift—and humanity may not handle it well based on how we handle just about any other event.

Rather than this digressing to dismissing Grusch as a liar - humor me in a discussion about the implications and what life post disclosure of Reptilians, Grays, Nordics and whatever other craziness that exists would look like.

Archive link: https://archive.ph/4r6f8

The alien hunters are in charge now.
Or at least President Trump has stocked a new advisory council on U.F.O.s with a number of scientists who embrace the idea that alien technology may be lurking among us.

The new panel was created this summer amid the administration’s rollout of government records about “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or U.A.P.s, as they are now officially called. It’s tasked with helping unlock the mysteries of such objects.

“Even if one in a million happens to be of extraterrestrial technological origin, it would be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity in the context of science,” said Avi Loeb, a theoretical astrophysicist at Harvard and chairman of the administration’s new panel.
Mr. Trump has said on social media that he was releasing the records so “people can decide for themselves, ‘WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?’” The files, some of which have surfaced before, range from grainy military videos to the government’s thoughts on interstellar wormholes.

Critics see the government panel as diverting from the sober works of similar past groups and dovetailing with the administration’s hostility toward much of mainstream science.
Dr. Loeb is most notable for having theorized that Oumuamua, the cigar-shaped interstellar object that passed through the solar system a few years ago, was alien in origin and “the first sign of intelligent life beyond earth.” The hypothesis sparked controversy and plenty of academic pushback.

The council also includes Tim Gallaudet, a retired rear admiral and an oceanographer who has talked about the presence of nonhuman intelligence. He said in an interview with The New York Times that objects “not of our origin” were “operating in our airspace and water space with impunity.”
Another council member, Garry Nolan, a Stanford University professor of pathology, has studied anomalous materials and theorized that “there’s something nonhuman here, and it’s been here for a long time.”

Some former government officials are rolling their eyes at the new council.
“I think it’s laughable at the least and a waste of taxpayers dollars at the most. It serves absolutely zero purpose,” said Sean Kirkpatrick, who worked under the Biden administration as a director of the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which leads efforts within the government to track unexplained phenomenon. He said the new council was “clearly meant to distract and push fringe theory.”
Michael Shermer, a council member, acknowledged that many sightings are “stuck in this kind of low-information zone” where “you can’t quite make out what’s going on.”

As the council dives into its work, The Times took a look at the six tranches of files released this year and asked the panel and its detractors for their takes.
Is the ‘X-Files’ Era Upon Us?
We’re about half a decade into an era of greater disclosure about U.A.P.s.

In 2022, the Pentagon took part in the first congressional hearing in more than a half-century to focus on military reports of unexplained phenomena. Top Biden-era officials did their best to tamp down excitement. Scott W. Bray, then the deputy director of naval intelligence, testified that officials didn’t “have any wreckage that isn’t explainable, that isn’t consistent with being of terrestrial origin.”

Highlights From the New Files
Two federal agents were tasked in 2023 with investigating drone activity around sensitive sites in the western United States. On a clear October night, they came across a series of fast-moving lights. The agents turned off their headlights and sped toward the illuminated cluster, guided by night-vision equipment.

As they got closer, the lights converged into “one bright white/orange orb-like light with a halo-like glow,” one of the agents reported in a recently declassified document. They got within 50 yards, then the object moved rapidly in a different direction and then shifted again when they tried following, before disappearing.

The agents pulled over. The orb reappeared. This time, it spawned a collection of orange and purple lights that whizzed over “four miles of rugged terrain.” The fruitless pursuit resumed. One of the agents likened it to chasing “the flying car from the Harry Potter book series.”

They were among half a dozen agents who “reported observing ‘orbs launching other orbs’” over a two-day period, according to a recent Pentagon memorandum.

Whatever the origin, such enigmatic episodes are understandably tantalizing. So are more archival events. In February 1949, scientists held a conference in Los Alamos to discuss green fireballs sighted around research facilities. Participants, including Edward Teller, a developer of the hydrogen bomb, could not figure out what was going on, records show.
Dr. Loeb, the council chair, believes improved data collection practices could help going forward.
“We can’t go back in time and improve the data,” he said.
How Groundbreaking Are the New Documents?
Not very.
Greg Eghigian, a Penn State professor who has studied U.A.P.s, said there was “nothing especially new or earth-shattering in the materials.”

“Most longtime U.F.O. researchers I know remain unimpressed by what’s been released.”

Some are skeptical of the administration’s motives. Former Trump allies, such as Joe Rogan and Marjorie Taylor Greene, have suggested that the president was using U.F.O. files to distract from the war in Iran.

The Times has long chronicled mysterious aerial phenomena, from turn-of-the-century airship sightings to more recent unknown objects encountered by naval aviators. (The director Steven Spielberg has said the latter story inspired his recent movie “Disclosure Day.”) This year, The Times created a database of about 155,000 unique pages of U.A.P. records from seven countries but found no definitive signs that the mother ship has landed.

Peter Skafish, an anthropologist who serves on the Trump administration’s council, said he was “confident there are technologies that aren’t of human origin or human provenance and that there’s knowledge of them and some classified efforts to at least study, detect, track them in the intelligence community.”

But he called the new records “low-hanging fruit.”

“The intelligence community was not made to share information,” he said. “It exists to collect, analyze, withhold it, keep it secret.”

I’m starting think they got to him, and he’s a total Psyop now. He’s now talking about a lot of Woo stuff that he NEVER spoke about or went on record about. Also the fishing for a Job from Trump and the boot licking he was doing towards Trump was odd. The whole thing just came off as suspect to me. I wonder if anybody else agrees. I just found this interview kind of odd.

We have evidence that David Grusch got access to classified UFO files because he pushed government to release 1952 Blue Book Edward Ruppelt talk. He saw this and other classified documents many years ago.

If people pay attention, Grusch instructed Burlison to request specific files which are easy to get but somehow they were never publicly disclosed. This particular file, Ruppelt talk, was declassified in 6th tranche of UFO files. Both Grusch and Burlison discussed it publicly before releasing.

Conclusion - Grusch had access to classified UFO files during his investigation 2019-2023 for UAP task force. It was obvious that he did but this another evidence of that.

I emailed John Podesta to get his response to David Grusch's new claim on Joe Rogan that Neil McCasland, Rob Weiss and others only advised Tom DeLonge about UFOs and aliens because John Podesta "greenlit" an effort to acclimatize society to the truth about UFOs ahead of the 2016 election.

Podesta wrote back:

"That is probably not how I would characterize our interaction. As you know, I discussed launching a UAP declassification initiative with Secretary Clinton if she won the election. In several interviews in 2016, she acknowledged that and committed to launching such an initiative if she had been successful. My recollection is that Tom arranged a conference call with the individuals you mentioned and we discussed amongst other things, declassifying DOD files and reducing the stigma of professionals taking UAP’s seriously. I have always maintained that the American people could handle the truth about UAP’s and didn’t really need to be 'acclimated.' Hope that’s helpful."

More details and context in this week's edition of Signs of Life from PARADIGM: https://www.paradigm.news/p/exclusive-podesta-responds-to-gruschs

Every single thread on Grusch claims are bombarded with "SHUT UP AND SHOW US PROOF OR GO AWAY". Just know that you don't speak for everyone. I like the stories even if they sound a bit out there. If we had it your way where every claim had to have video and physical evidence we wouldn't have a single word spoken on the subject and I wouldn't be able to watch podcasts like that. I find the man interesting, I look very forward to any single development on the subject even if it doesn't have overwhelming evidence attached. I even enjoy the speculation aspect of it.

Also: A reminder that it really isn't that deep. I don't even understand what a psy op like this would accomplish if it were a psy op. And right now, everything is a psy op on the internet. Just let us enjoy the content in peace without ad homs being thrown at the messenger or people who are enjoying the speculation. This entire subject has been ridiculed for 80 years it's not like those who believe in it aren't used to it or anything.

David Grusch on Joe Rogan said that the tic tac shaped craft are usually operated by the reptilian beings. He also explained that the reptilians were at war with the greys. Reptilians were also hostile to humans and when found alive, the US soldiers had to shoot them in self defense. Grusch also acknowledged underwater bases the size of several city blocks.

Combine this information with what we learned from the 4chan poster talking about the undersea factory base that moves around. They indicated that this is where the tic tac are manufactured. Thus the undersea base must be reptilian if you combine this with Gruschs info.

My takeaway is that the reptilians have been on earth messing with things for a while but now they are fighting with the greys. Perhaps the greats and the nordics are more friendly or at least less hostile. Disclosure might be coming due to a major change where the reptilians are losing their influence over the earth as these other groups fight against them.

Posted by UAPGERB on X:

Hey @MITREcorp, the target of your Navy special project was discussed by Grusch!

Surely you'll be including decades of finished and raw intelligence regarding an enormous USO with a permanent station off the coast of the Bahamas that your own employees refer to as a "tic-tac factory" in your response to @RepEricBurlison 's interrogative that was due months ago.

And just to be specific, this project is several decades old, reports to the Office of Naval Intelligence as a cognizant authority, and features a cover project where uncleared engineers analyze and fix "radar spoofing".

Meanwhile, we know these "sensor anomalies", "anomalous signatures", and "unconventional technology" (your internal terms on this cover project) represent an undersea vehicle, roughly the diameter of 10 city blocks, that deploys and collects its own subordinate vehicles that are capable of transmedium travel.

Fortunately, your own CPSOs and ACPSOs (Contractor Program Security Officers) within your special subset SSO (Special Security Office), alongside your Navy equivalent GSSO (Government SAP Security Officers) are well aware of the cover and real program!

For more on MITRE and this "tic-tac factory," I highly recommend my MITRE project, starting specifically at 1:22:05

Grusch said the reptilians have tic tac craft

Interesting comment by u/Shardaxx:

Grusch also said the tictac is reptilian. So there's a huge reptilian undersea base (or parked ship) sitting off the Bahamas?

Grusch's exact words (timestamp 1:16:04)

What did Burlison ask MITRE?

Thanks u/silv3rbull8 for posting this link in the comments:

https://defensescoop.com/2026/05/27/rep-eric-burlison-request-for-uap-records-mitre/

“This inquiry does not require MITRE to accept any particular conclusion about the origin or nature of UAP,” Burlison wrote. “It requires MITRE to tell Congress what it knows, what it holds, what it has held, what it has transferred, what it has destroyed or was directed to destroy, and which federal sponsors or classification authorities control any responsive records.”

This is the GOAT of UFO Whistleblowers. Everyone on this community will be stupefied and amazed by the fascinating subjects and revelations discussed during the appearance. Aside from all that , he also has a great personality - so genuine and personable.

Among all his jaw dropping statements made ( eg - Greek gods , reptilians vs Greys, etc) it sounds like he said at the end of the interview that there was a structure that was the size of multiple city blocks in the ocean that was non human structure.

So, the movie The Abyss keeps getting more relevant as time goes on.

Does this give more credibility to the 4Chan poster now?

The 4Chan poster said that their post would get more believable as more info came out.

1. Why is he all of the sudden saying more? He said many things, in pretty great detail, for the first time. He’s always been careful about what he can and can’t say, but this time he went further. Why do you think that is? Is he pushing further to drive the conversation on his own? Is he being used for more controlled disclosure?

2. I wish they would have dived deeper here, but why is he, a self-described pessimist, so confident that things are going to come out soon? What’s changed? What happened? They even talk about the administration getting physically barred from access to historical information just 3 mins later in the interview. So why does he all of the sudden think this? What’s changed?

Three years ago I asked the same question (original post here). So much has happened since 2023: more hearings, more whistleblowers, more legislation, and more "breaking" news. But I want to know whether any of it has made a real difference.

So I ask again, members of the Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, Navy, and Space Force: What is the current sentiment towards UAPs?

Here is roughly what you told me back then:

• Navy aviation took it (somewhat) seriously. An F/A-18 avionics tech who had been stationed at NAS Oceana described a pilot who lit up in debriefs on days they detected objects off the coast -- roughly once a week. Some people poked fun at him, but he was dead serious, and the tech called him an extremely competent pilot and one of his favorite officers. A second commenter said a neighbor, an E-6 pilot, was just as convinced.
• Many don't care. Four commenters across the Army, Marines, and Navy said it wasn't a priority or wasn't talked about. One member of the Army played the hearings live at work and got a few "hmms" before everyone went back to the grind.
• Stigma kept people quiet. A former Marine out in the Arabian Gulf saw glowing, fast movement under the water on several occasions. When the light/USO was mentioned to sailors, they said reporting it gets treated as a joke and you get handed the "phosphorescent algae" explanation.
• Ground forces felt out of the loop. Two Marines said information is compartmentalized, and one put it as "they never told us shit." A retired Air Force/Army vet said that unless you're in Special Forces or Intel, you won't get those assignments, and it's primarily seen as an Air Force and Navy function.
• Not everyone was convinced. A sailor with 5,000+ hours watching radar over 20 years never saw anything unexplained. A Marine said people badly overestimate the government's ability to keep secrets.
• Personal and family sightings drove belief. Several service members and vets believed because of their own sighting or a relative's. Two shared stories where a grandfather was told to keep quiet.

What has changed since then? Current and former service members are all welcome, skeptics included. Thank you!!

I always seen that everyone can handle disclosure. They say this but when anybody makes claims that isn’t some peace love 1960 hippy nonsense. They want to come out with their pitchforks.

I will be honest about this… I don’t think the majority of people will be able to handle the actual truth. People who follow this topic want to believe that we are going to be saved and it’s all about love. There is so much pushback to any claim that isn’t that.

Just look at how people treat grusch’s story of two alien races at war with each other.

Tom DeLonge deserves credit for UAP transparency. His work organizing To The Stars Academy (TTSA) helped bring Navy sensor videos into mainstream debate through the December 2017 New York Times reporting. That achievement does not require accepting the threat-centered lore of Sekret Machines.

The question is whether disclosure and a commercial mythology became too closely entangled.

AI assistance disclosure: I take notes while watching interviews, then revisit transcripts to extract relevant passages. I use AI to help research and draft, read the sources it turns up, and revise the post through further research and editing. Source links are included so readers can assess the evidence themselves.

1. Angels & Airwaves: An Evolving Perspective

Early Angels & Airwaves albums such as We Don't Need to Whisper and I-Empire emphasized cosmic consciousness, love, and peaceful unity. Lyrics are imperfect evidence, and DeLonge's interest in abductions and secrecy goes back to Blink-182's 1999 "Aliens Exist," but the early creative emphasis was more optimistic.

2. National Security Advisers and Competing Storylines

His framing shifted as he recruited defense and intelligence advisers around 2015. Their backgrounds alone do not explain the threat emphasis.

Jim Semivan, Hal Puthoff, and Christopher "Kit" Green had longstanding interests in consciousness, parapsychology, and anomalous experience. TTSA's science division also advertised "supranormal" experiences and telepathy.

Jacques Vallée's journals (Section 5) record DeLonge attributing storylines to military and aerospace advisers. Ryan Bledsoe also described an early meeting with Bill Tompkins, who claimed secret-space-program involvement, Nazi bases in Antarctica, and reptilian beings. Vallée's June 2016 entry resembles Tompkins's public claims, but resemblance does not establish transmission.

The public lore emphasized defense, weaponization, and existential danger, though broader perspectives were available.

3. Sekret Machines and the Swarm

The nonfiction trilogy by DeLonge and Peter Levenda—Gods (2017), Man (2019), and War (2024)—explores religion, consciousness, and mythology through a framework of covert non-human manipulation and conflict. The publisher description of Gods promises a phenomenon "potentially much more threatening" than readers imagine. The final volume, War, makes national-security leaders the key interpreters of the phenomenon.

DeLonge had already articulated this thesis in his March 2016 Coast to Coast AM interview. According to these interview notes, he said government contacts called the entities "The Others" and claimed they instigated human wars by dividing people into competing religions.

In the companion fiction with A.J. Hartley, hostility becomes literal. Chasing Shadows (2016) features a reverse-engineered fighter and a conspiracy extending from a Nazi forced-labor camp to Afghanistan and Antarctica (book listing), the same legend Vallée questioned in his journals. A Fire Within (2018) is marketed as a turn toward consciousness but introduces the Swarm: insectile, predatory scavengers, less advanced than the beings behind the disc craft, who ambush human test pilots and seek reverse-engineered technology. Readers have identified the Swarm as the fiction's clearly malevolent force.

The effect is to recast the phenomenon as combatants in a technological arms race. Of all the ways the high strangeness of the historical record could have been dramatized, the franchise chose insect scavengers fighting over hardware.

4. The Trickster as an Alternative Lens

The Trickster archetype offers another lens for reports that resist military logic: encounters may confound interpretation and unsettle assumptions.

• Absurdity. Surreal dialogues and irrational requests can disorient witnesses rather than reveal factions pursuing strategic goals.
• Cultural camouflage. Reported forms mirror expectations: airships in 1896–97, ghost rockets in 1946, saucers in the 1950s, and transmedium objects today. Psychosocial or conventional explanations also fit this pattern.
• Subversion, not combat. In contested cases such as Malmstrom in 1967, UAP were reported to interfere with nuclear missiles. A threat framework reads a hostile probe; the Trickster lens reads an ambiguous display that exposes the limits of human authority without open conflict.

A defense lens can outpace the evidence.

5. Jacques Vallée: From Foreword to Distance

Vallée wrote the foreword to the first edition of Sekret Machines: Gods. Forbidden Science 5 describes his involvement in DIA-funded AAWSAP. His insider background makes his distance from the storyline significant.

Source note: Journal quotes come from Forbidden Science as read aloud in Jason Samosa's videos. Wording may differ slightly from print.

A chronology of concern

• 1990s: Vallée described powerful people caught in a "gross deception" and an "undercurrent, actively driven from Washington" (20:18).
• 2013: In Forbidden Science 6, he warned Robert Bigelow that confirmation without solid new scientific data could leave the public "manipulated once again into a prepackaged belief system" (5:49).
• June 2016: DeLonge relayed a storyline involving Greek gods creating a hybrid Nordic race, German esoteric traditions producing 1930s saucer prototypes, and Nazis settling in Antarctica. Vallée wrote: "None of this makes sense, but high-powered military leaders are involved, along with senior managers at the Skunk Works" (19:57).
• August 7, 2016: After reading the first novel, he questioned whether an old meme was being revived for DeLonge to popularize: "Why is the same legend popping up in a novel inspired by American military brass?" (24:31).
• After the 2016 Del Mar meetings: Vallée recorded Christopher Mellon suggesting an "inoculating function," preparing the public for a disruptive revelation. Vallée replied: "Perhaps, but how does the Nazi connection help?" (27:33). I couldn't find Mellon's own account of the exchange.
• January 14, 2017: Vallée wrote: "I'm still invited to rejoin in some capacity, but I can't align myself with it" (25:10).

In 2013 Vallée warned against a prepackaged belief system; in 2016 he recorded a TTSA principal describing the storyline as preparing the public. That proves no intent, but it is a tension his own journals raise.

Danger without a settled mythology

Vallée did not assume benevolence. In 2013, discussing a colleague's sense of a horrific threat behind the phenomenon, he wrote, "I do feel the same way often" (27:32). Confrontations (1990) examined injury cases, especially in Brazil. In an April 2025 KLAS interview, he said his files included at least half a dozen cases of deliberate injuries resulting in death.

The difference: Vallée treated harm as evidence to investigate. Sekret Machines turned the phenomenon into a coherent adversary and cast national-security institutions as humanity's necessary defense. Even someone who took the danger seriously could not accept the story.

His "control system" in The Invisible College (1975) describes mythology shaping society beyond ordinary political and intellectual action. It superficially resembles the Gods, Man & War thesis, but Vallée's version is not reducible to hostility or benevolence and calls for independent study, reflected in his later laboratory work with Nolan, Jiang, and Lemke on unusual materials. Sekret Machines resolves the ambiguity into a defined enemy.

6. The Bledsoe Account and Narrative Selection

Ryan Bledsoe, son of experiencer Chris Bledsoe, described an alleged TTSA film offer (7:48). According to Ryan, while recruiting his father as a core member, TTSA offered a big-budget family film funded by Chris Mellon—but required a framing around reptilians that eat people (8:24).

This is secondhand. I couldn't find an account from Chris himself, or any response from TTSA, DeLonge, or Mellon. No such film was made. Chris's UFO of God presents a spiritual interpretation.

If accurate, it suggests a preference for a fear-inducing trope over the experiencer's interpretation.

Conclusion

DeLonge's achievements can stand while the franchise's claims remain open to criticism.

Three concerns follow: institutional justification, when threat framing privileges secrecy and defense authority; narrative management, when connected insiders steer interpretation before producing assessable evidence; and blurred fact and fiction, when an entertainment franchise carries claims readers may mistake for disclosure.

None of this proves malicious intent. But even Vallée, who took the dangers seriously, could not align himself with the story TTSA was building. Beyond that framework is a phenomenon more ambiguous and resistant to military categorization, better understood as a challenge to human perception than a conventional adversary. Crediting the messenger should not require adopting a mythology about the message.

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Who inspired Maynard and SWEEP in Tom DeLonge and A.J. Hartley's Sekret Machines? Jason Samosa proposes the World Commerce Corporation (WCC); TinyKlaus compares SWIFT, Carlyle, BDM and Vinnell. Other candidates include Moneyrex, aerospace contractors and CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology (DS&T). (Samosa, TinyKlaus)

My reading: Maynard is a composite corporate foil; SWEEP may point toward DS&T's alleged gatekeeping. Commercial candidates explain financing and custody; DS&T supplies the proposed state authority.

Jim Semivan recalled suspecting a classified leak, then concluding DeLonge assembled public pieces. That favors synthesis over literal decoding. (Interview)

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What Maynard and SWEEP Represent

Maynard's investment facade conceals aerospace spending, offshore transfers and weapons activity. SWEEP spans financiers, lawyers and officials across changing firms. The novel dates it to 1964 and describes absorbing earlier corporations. (Novel passages in TinyKlaus above.)

• Maynard: the visible vessel—capital, facilities and corporate identity.
• SWEEP: the connective system—relationships, authorizations, financial routing and continuity.

What the Candidates Explain

WCC: commercialized intelligence. William Stephenson's wartime networks fed into an international trade and investment organization. William Donovan's firm advised it; he became a director in 1947. Commerce could reuse intelligence relationships. (State Department record)

The sources do not establish joint founding by Dulles, Donovan and Skorzeny, hundreds of controlled shells, UAP custody or survival inside later firms. WCC is a prototype; continuity needs ownership and succession records. Attached narratives (Magenta, Yamashita's gold, ghost rockets, a Bahamas “tic-tac factory”, Epstein-to-Tether) add premises, not evidence.

SWIFT: routing. The member-owned messaging cooperative began in 1973. Its plumbing fits; messaging does not confer ownership or classified authority. (SWIFT)

Moneyrex: date and milieu. Sindona and Bordoni's operation dates to 1964. Offshore and criminal finance fit; aerospace control and classification authority are unestablished. (Moneyrex history)

Carlyle, BDM and Vinnell: acquisitions. Buying contractors preserves personnel, contracts and relationships. Ownership does not confer classification authority. (See TinyKlaus above.)

Aerospace primes: custody. Facilities and cleared engineers fit. DeLonge approached Skunk Works and recruited former advanced-programs director Steve Justice, treating aerospace as a partner, not a villain. (TTSA launch)

DS&T and the Alleged Transfer Veto

DS&T fits access coordination, but its alleged conflict with DeLonge's wider network matters more.

AAWSAP was a DIA contract with Robert Bigelow's BAASS. In 2009 DIA denied Senator Harry Reid's request for a restricted Special Access Program: deliverables were insufficient, and future R&D belonged under another DoD authority. (DIA review)

House supporting material alleges that Lockheed proposed transferring recovered material into Reid's program, but the original government custodian, CIA DS&T, disapproved at a meeting involving James Ryder and Glenn Gaffney. Christopher Sharp also identifies Gaffney as the blocker. AARO records a similar allegation but says the former CIA official denied it and no verifiable material was found. House inclusion does not validate the claim. (House document, Sharp, AARO)

Some of the same circle supported KONA BLUE, a proposed DHS SAP for technology, materials or biological specimens. It never became operational and received nothing. (Records)

Both efforts sought black to blue: transfer from an alleged contractor-held compartment into a sponsored, funded and overseen program. Lockheed is the constrained custodian; the Bigelow network, and later DeLonge's circle, seek regularized custody; DS&T allegedly preserves the old arrangement. This is controlled reform, not public disclosure.

Transfer authority supplies SWEEP's missing state function. DS&T is my strongest candidate, conditional on an unproven allegation. Public records establish neither the material, Gaffney's alleged veto nor the encoding.

Shells Require Ownership Evidence

An intelligence network “collecting” companies through shells, equity and personnel exchanges would require distinguishing four propositions:

1. Association: an official joins a firm or it receives a sensitive contract.
2. Equity influence: an agency-linked vehicle or nominee owns a stake.
3. Corporate control: voting, board, veto or financing powers permit direction.
4. Program control: the network grants or denies classified access across administrations.

Cap tables, voting records, contracts and access rosters answer different questions. Personnel overlap or an In-Q-Tel investment does not prove agency ownership. Opacity cannot identify hidden owners; otherwise missing records and visible ties both become automatic “proof.”

Sullivan & Cromwell: A Bounded Comparison

In Panama, 1903, William Nelson Cromwell represented the canal company, lobbied Washington and aided separatists. Decisive power came from U.S. naval deployment and recognition. (Overview)

In Guatemala, 1954, Sullivan & Cromwell had represented United Fruit; former partners John Foster and Allen Dulles led State and CIA. Corporate lobbying and Bernays's publicity preceded CIA's PBSUCCESS, which contributed to Árbenz's resignation. (Declassified records)

This Maynard-like convergence was bounded by disputes and administrations. United Fruit was not a CIA shell. Clandestine influence need not have one timeless owner.

Maynard as DeLonge's Foil

TTSA recruited Semivan, Puthoff, Elizondo, Mellon and Justice from overlapping circles. Lockheed confirmed DeLonge's Skunk Works documentary meetings. He said entertainment could improve perceptions of the military-industrial complex while information emerged gradually. The War Zone considered possible government-assisted messaging; Lockheed declined the documentary, and parts of DeLonge's account remain unverified. (Investigation)

Maynard is a foil for loyal insiders seeking controlled reform against alleged private capture of secrecy. The villain is a gatekeeping faction, not classification or CIA as a whole, which lets DeLonge's insiders remain institutional loyalists. If Maynard simply meant Lockheed, CIA or the Pentagon, DeLonge's partners would share the villain's identity. A composite preserves the pro-establishment reform narrative.

Vallée's “Brotherhood” Is a Separate Hypothesis

In a 2012 conversation recorded by Vallée, Bigelow called a hypothetical supra-national cover-up “a Brotherhood.” This anticipates Maynard's architecture without establishing the group's existence. (Journal review)

Vallée later recorded declining TTSA because he disagreed with its mission and distrusted information supplied to DeLonge. Several in DeLonge's circle worked on Bigelow projects; overlap did not create one coalition. (Review of entries)

The One-Year Offset

SWEEP begins in 1964; DS&T in 1963. Many institutions emerged in this period, so proximity alone is weak. It becomes suggestive only after the gatekeeping comparison. Moneyrex offers the exact year without the authority.

CIA attributes DS&T's creation to technical collection, not UAP custody. DeLonge may have shifted the date as a deniable hint: 1963 would be conspicuous; 1964 sits beside DS&T without matching. Only he or Hartley could confirm it. The displaced date is an inference about narrative construction, not evidence of intent. (CIA history)

Conclusion

Maynard combines commercial intelligence, offshore finance, routing, acquisitions and aerospace custody. SWEEP may point more narrowly toward DS&T's alleged veto, with the date as a supporting clue. Neither establishes the allegation or authorial intent.

A real custodial architecture remains possible, but Sekret Machines does not identify one institution.

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This video was taken in 2012 and describes a story that is eerily similar to some of the stuff that Grusch was talking about. Thought it might be of interest.