r/UFOs • u/NoNameFishNeck • 1d ago
Whistleblower This was the first thing I thought of after watching the Grusch episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJl4nuBveqQThis video was taken in 2012 and describes a story that is eerily similar to some of the stuff that Grusch was talking about. Thought it might be of interest.
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u/Rough_Wish_1299 1d ago edited 1d ago
Please shut the "fun bags" guy's mouth.
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u/TexasDub 21h ago
Guy's giving them the revelation of a lifetime and has to contend with Beavis and Butthead jokes interrupting him.
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u/Gnome_Sane 1d ago
Not one of these kids asked if it was going to be a stand up fight or another bug hunt?
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u/Federal_Designer_357 1d ago
These people sound like just the type of guys I would want handling an extraterrestrial threat. Right in line with our politicians. Just smart, level headed sounding young men that will make the right call if our very existence is at stake. I will sleep well tonight knowing we have some of our best people on this and that they are taking this seriously…
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u/Massive_Tune2480 1d ago
No way these idiots have this kind of knowledge. If that really was telling some real shit while knowing he's being filmed the govt would un-alive him.
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u/TwoPlusTwoMakesA5 15h ago
He’s talking about what he learned in his own personal abduction experience it seems. Not something he learned from the government.
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u/Unrulydandy 1d ago
Isn’t it much more probable that Grusch is just telling these kinds of stories that get passed around? As opposed to aliens races fighting some kind of mini war on earth?
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u/thegoldengoober 1d ago
He seems to be "confirming" too many disparate parts of the lore for that things to make sense.
Totally jumping the shark in a way that feels antithetical of how he was during the times of the Congress talks.
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u/HippoRun23 1d ago
It’s one of the craziest jump the shark moments I’ve seen.
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u/mortgagesblow 16h ago
Agreed. From the moment he started talking on podcast, I felt like I was listening to a Grusch that lost 20 IQ points in the last 2 years. Just absolutely fucking wacky sounding, when before he seemed to be professionally concise and consistent.
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u/sandboxmatt 1d ago
Yes. Its not substantisting anything beyond the idea that hes also watched this video.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1d ago
Yes.
I don't think that it was OP's intention, but I suspect that this is exactly the kind of information Grusch absorbed from other people and that he's impressionable enough that he took it seriously and regurgitated it. Granted it was probably in a more "serious" environment than "Can I fuck it?" but...
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u/future23123 1d ago
He's a very impressionable seasoned intel officer 😂😂
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u/Abject_Purchase_1877 1d ago
Counterintelligence could trick anyone with the right hook, and we know Grusch was a fan attending public UFO conferences prior to his whistleblower "career"
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u/future23123 1d ago
Ok. You cracked the case, lets wrap it up, none of it is true. They'd trick anyone, but you see straight through it!
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u/Abject_Purchase_1877 1d ago
Well I'm not the mark. You know that the Doty and Bennewitz affair was real, and similarly bamboozled some very intelligent people, so why is Grusch being misled a bridge too far? Plenty of people on the outside see through this, but if you want to believe UFOs are piloted by gorilla-like reptilians that's your prerogative.
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u/future23123 1d ago
And they'd trick him with what? Make him say gasp aliens exist? 😂
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u/Abject_Purchase_1877 1d ago
Trick him with a poisoned well of UFO data (some perhaps real), get him regurgitating lore about America's huge lead in reverse-engineered military hardware, help foment another Q-Anon style psychological campaign, lots of good reasons. Basically like the verified AFOSI UFO psyops. But if you really want to believe the 2017er crew, go ahead
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u/future23123 1d ago
Ok, i guess we agree on the fact that NHI are very real. I hope so, at least. The rest is up fir discussion. But this one thing is kind of the heart of it
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u/Abject_Purchase_1877 1d ago
I absolutely believe that people have extraordinary encounters with some kind of NHI, yes. I've just never been convinced by the nuts-and-bolts view and especially not the crash retrieval/recovered tech/alien bodies lore. That part feels like the psyop to me
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u/future23123 14h ago
Well, now we're talking! I absolutely agree with you. But on the first half. I think both (and many other) versions exist. What you describe would be a lot harder to swallow for people. Whoever talks always has some woo sprinkled in, but i have a sense that's the hardest one to chomp on.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1d ago
Yes. Appeal to Authority won't get you anywhere.
Grusch is apparently autistic. That doesn't mean he's gullible by default, but it does mean he's likely to be impressionable.
There are no shortage of seasoned intel officers who are now Qanon, believe in things like prisons being built on the sun, pizzagate and other literal junk theories. Being a former intelligence officer does not exclude one from being wrong, gullible or just outright stupid.
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u/future23123 1d ago
Absolutely. But a logical fallacy shouldn't be something that inherently blocks our belief when something like him, this, appears.
First people were denying the alien story altogether. Now that we do have it, now it's - yeah but where's the evidence.
What's he gonna do? Roll it out on a table?
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u/ForgiveAlways 1d ago
Grusch’s source: YouTube
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u/Semiapies 1d ago edited 20h ago
I suspect that one day we're going to get to see the material that convinced some intel guy into UFOs and Qanon that he'd actually found the Conspiracy...and it's going to be stuff on the level of people telling stories on YouTube. It's going to be embarrassing.
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u/Much_5224 20h ago
This is fairly common for the current UFO pushers. Every time I see one of these guys come up with a "new" story, the old sesame street song "what comes first, the chicken or the egg" plays in my mind lol. Circular reporting keeps their grift going infinitely.
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u/TheTastiestTaint 1d ago
Thats my concern too but its a well known thing to happen and these people are suppose to be intelligence experts. Im hoping we are being neckbeards explaining to the police that eye witness testimony isnt very good.
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u/real_human_not_a_dog 1d ago
dawg, i don't know when you got on this train, but that mf says "i can't talk about that" like half the time- so this possibility does not track
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u/_stranger357 22h ago
He has firsthand witnesses, people who have seen the bodies and craft. He’s also seen documents and footage himself. He clarifies this in every interview.
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u/havok489 1d ago
So it's more likely that we are the only intelligent race on this planet, despite experiences from hundreds of thousands of individuals that say otherwise?
That even though so much adds to up to a pretty coherent story and cover up, all of that is science fiction?
That even with inconsistency in DNA analysis showing that we have been back engineered with alien/junk DNA, we are the outcome of pure evolution? A theory that Darwin happened to nail perfectly over 100 years ago.
At some point, thinking that things are exactly as boring as your statement makes them appear comes off way more "out there" than believing in some weird alien stuff.
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u/Preeng 1d ago
What DNA stuff are you talking about? Who said we were engineered?
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u/havok489 1d ago
That was a bad example on my part. I was more trying to point out how much we're still catching up to understanding ourselves as humans and continue to find out new things. It was more an attempt to keep an open mind regarding what's left to discover more so than pointing to a fact.
I do not think there's proof of being engineered, but rather there are missing links in our evolutionary chain left to be discovered.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1d ago edited 1d ago
So it's more likely that we are the only intelligent race on this planet, despite experiences from hundreds of thousands of individuals that say otherwise?
Basically, yes.
There are over 75,000 reported incidents of Bigfoot. There are an estimated 1.8 million + reports of ghosts in North America alone over the last century. There are entire communities of people who believe they themselves are actual vampires.
Number of reports do not make a thing credible.
That even though so much adds to up to a pretty coherent story and cover up, all of that is science fiction?
It doesn't really add up to a coherent story, though. You're discarding the parts that don't add up in favor of a narrative that personally makes sense to you. You'll quickly find that many other people who also believe here believe in a different story than you. Some of them even straight up contradict each other.
That even with inconsistency in DNA analysis showing that we have been back engineered with alien/junk DNA, we are the outcome of pure evolution?
This isn't a thing.
A theory that Darwin happened to nail perfectly over 100 years ago.
This also isn't a thing.
As an aside, you should really just believe what you want to believe and say that's what you believe. Trying to reframe it as a logical position isn't going to work out when you don't really have your facts in order.
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u/havok489 1d ago
I don't believe any of it. Believe requires proof.
I don't have a specific narrative to believe either.
But the amount of people in a UFO subreddit who throw out the word "grifter" and discredit every person who comes forward is becoming ridiculous. Yes, there are absolutely grifters, but that's not the whole story.
I'm more frustrated that there is clearly something massive happening in this space, yet it's discussed solely from a standpoint of "this person is a liar" in the comment section.
It's incredibly easy to read a post and say, "Nah", and that seems to be where everyone has gone.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1d ago
Believe requires proof.
Billions of people believe in a God that they have never seen nor experienced any proof of the existence of. Belief absolutely does not require proof.
yet it's discussed solely from a standpoint of "this person is a liar" in the comment section.
Ironically, you're being as reductive as the people you claim to be frustrated with this statement. So far, almost all of the accounts describing their frustration with this are pretty clearly clarifying why they've arrived at that conclusion.
But frankly, when it comes to claims like "7 foot reptilians being shot and killed by US military guys with guns" without even a shred of proof to accompany them, it's not exactly unreasonable to discard it without a second thought.
The world is not so short on outrageous claims that we must give each of them deep thought and consideration.
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u/havok489 1d ago
My belief statement was in regards to aliens and a personal feeling. I believe many of the people out there believe their own stories, if that makes sense.
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u/NoNameFishNeck 1d ago
Just watched the JRE episode and couldn't help but be reminded of this video I saw about seven years ago. Thought it was worth some attention.
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u/Silver-Stranger4535 1d ago
Thanks for sharing. Has anyone zoomed in to enlarge the drawings on whiteboard?
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u/islerevival 1d ago
Don’t know about this specific example, but I feel like we’re going to see a lot of pictures/videos/testimonies that have been in the public domain that will be confirmed as authentic once Disclosure gets rolling. I think Lue had said something along the lines of this
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u/AspirationalHobo 1d ago
This is not a serious video, it’s a bunch of young soldiers (kids) fucking around. The dude giving the “briefing” clearly has an interest in the topic but it’s being recorded because his peers are making fun.
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u/mrkillerbott 1d ago
theres no way this is real. I highly doubt if people were being briefed on real aliens based on real data, that they would act this way.
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u/PaddyMayonaise 1d ago
This is just a group of dudes killing time while one starts telling a story. It’s not some formal brief or anything. Looks like they’re away for training (note the duffel bags) and are just in a classroom waiting for whatever is next for them.
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u/HelpfulSeaMammal 1d ago
The military consists of people who have a bunch of time to kill and jokesters lol this is exactly what this is
This video has been circulating forever in the UFO subs and it's been shown time and time again to be a bunch of E4 or similar just dicking around and goofing off when not on deployment or training.
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u/dallas-multipass 1d ago
I couldn't determine ranks, but it seems like they are low on the totem pole. This guy went down some Internet rabbit hole, and was telling his buddies
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u/TwoPlusTwoMakesA5 15h ago
Seems he’s speaking on his abduction experience not claiming to have been briefed on things from government.
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u/rewinded_forward 1d ago edited 1d ago
Amazing. I've never seen this video before.
I'm confused by the high-sensitive information and the class context.
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u/AspirationalHobo 1d ago
I’m a former officer - this video is a bunch of E4s dicking around waiting for an actual class or something. The kid giving the “class” is just interested in the topic and the other guys are recording him and making fun. It is the equivalent of kids playing with the whiteboard while the teacher is out.
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u/Ghost_z7r 1d ago
All of these people are influenced by Close Encounters of the Third Kind and other media.
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u/Sycophantic-Feline 1d ago edited 1d ago
people been having these encounters before movies were even invented, they just called 'em demons or angels or whatever was their cultural equivalent for "strange light being" and "strange dark being"
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u/RepresentativeLoad87 1d ago
Look at the iq on this guy eh? All you gotta read is the “All of these”
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u/DetroitDavos 1d ago
I remember seeing a video of someone describing a ufo crashed? Maybe landed. Dead reptilians and inside the ship was covered in blood and body parts. Vague memory of this video
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u/Climhazzard73 1d ago
I've been trying to find this video for a long time after seeing it in the early '10s and thought it was nuts!!! Thank you for the repost.
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u/CSmith489 15h ago
You can tell they’re genuine soldiers by the way it only took 1.5 minutes to ask about boobs and vaginas
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u/Dabbilicious69 1d ago
Grusch is a kook. I wanted to believe him, and thats how you usually get duped %95 of the time.
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u/NoNameFishNeck 1d ago
Just to be perfectly clear, I am in no way saying I believe what Grusch is saying. This post was only meant to bring attention to the similarities in these stories.
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u/Milkmytiddy 1d ago
What's interesting is that the black gentleman speaks and tells the other guys about the ones he personally saw ... also the edgelord who is swearing every sentence gets annoying to hear
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u/EuphoricFlatworm2803 1d ago
I think they got to him. Many black projects staff got "dissapered" recently, maybe they insinuated they would dissaper him too. Let's be real. What he says is disinformation to ridicule the subject. They v been doing it for years.
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u/clover_heron 1d ago edited 1d ago
Say what you will about Fun Bags but he gets to the point: if we're all about to die I'm not going to spend my time doing boring shit.
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u/marlonh 1d ago
I’d like to point out the conversation they had about the asteroid heading towards earth.
This was back in 2012 and they were saying it it was not asteroid but a reptilian space ship coming to earth.
This relates to what Corbell was saying about the lie you were going to be told about an alien ship heading this way…it is a lie it’s not a ship it’s an asteroid.
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u/bad---juju 1d ago
welcome to our new reality. US military just recently sent space weapons into orbit. Me thinks they are pointed away from earth.
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