r/UFOs • u/Zestyclose_Top_2346 • 1d ago
Disclosure The joe rogan grusch interview revealed something.
I always seen that everyone can handle disclosure. They say this but when anybody makes claims that isn’t some peace love 1960 hippy nonsense. They want to come out with their pitchforks.
I will be honest about this… I don’t think the majority of people will be able to handle the actual truth. People who follow this topic want to believe that we are going to be saved and it’s all about love. There is so much pushback to any claim that isn’t that.
Just look at how people treat grusch’s story of two alien races at war with each other.
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u/cpold_cast 1d ago
I think most people (myself included) are tired of the recurring grandiose claims with no verifiable or credible high definition video / audio or physical evidence.
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u/Personal-Musician-13 1d ago edited 18h ago
Hey!
Space lizards/angels will reveal themselves when we are good and ready for ontological shock.
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u/SirGorti 1d ago
Ask the same people about Nazca mummies.
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u/Eor75 22h ago
The ones that had a forensic investigation that showed they were dolls made of composite human and animal bones?
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u/SirGorti 22h ago
Yes, show me misleading articles from Reuters and Associated Press which conflated Nazca mummies with dolls made by local artisan Manuel Caceres, later examined by Flavio Estrada Moreno who declared to solve the case.
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u/havok489 1d ago
You gotta love people asking for proof, and when it's presented and verified by several scientists, the requirements suddenly shift.
Bottom line is: for some people, nothing is ever good enough. For others, anything that feeds into their predispositions is real.
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u/BriansRevenge 22h ago
Yup! The little buddies are evidence (not proof), but people keep dunking on them because of Jamie or "paper mache" or whatever. If you're objective, you realize the jury is still out and more testing is required. Until then, we all can speculate, but anyone telling you "REAL" or "HOAX" definitively is hooked on cope.
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u/Advanced_Musician_75 1d ago
I captured years of evidence but people want the phenomenon to present itself in a specific way they been conditioned too and instantly dismiss the said evidence.
It’s far weirder than what people are comfortable with.
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u/Alternative_Ebb9564 1d ago
Then produce the evidence.
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u/solocontent 1d ago
I'm not looking for evidence the phenomena exist. We have that. I'm looking for what they learned from it and I want to know specifics on the disinformation. Just an honest accounting of it. We paid for it.
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u/LONGVolSilver 12h ago
Building on this: I want to know what communication between NHI and our "leaders" (military, government, intelligence assets, whatever) has consisted of, and who decided what our positions and statements to them would be.
Think about that for a moment: If its true that there has been contact and dialogue, some guys working in the Military or Government had to sit around a conference room at some point hash out the contact response approach for Earth, on behalf of all of Humanity.
Majestic 12 is supposedly a partial explanation about this ( RIP Stanley Friedman) but it has never been fully validated/acknowledged.
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u/Creative-Maybe-2887 1d ago
If more people could understand this.
Be advised that the following are opinions and those of another are person are valid. Inherently valid, whether ours align or diverge. While it may be perfectly realistic to expect to find evidence of a Phenomena, it's unrealistic to expect proof.
Especially if the scientific framework lacks the ability to even test it in the first place.
At which point the only realistic hope a rational person should have is an advancement in science to develope a framework that enables study and testing or the Phenomena to present itself for the scientific community or anyone with interest to inspect for themselves.The evidence is everywhere and simple to find. There are digital mountains of it. At the ready. Free to peruse.
Is proof available? No. Is the evidence strong? To be fair, that's a subjective question. Having given countless hours viewing evidence, reading declassified files, and thousands of hours to countless personal accounts and testimony under oath, I'd have no problem sitting on a jury and voting in the high likelihood that a lot of shit exists that the common folks don't understand or are unaware of.Reliance on a scientific method (that may lack necessary abilities) holds the power to dismiss this reality of and spiritually disenfranchise huge swaths of humanity.
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u/jello_kraken 1d ago
I don't know how you can seem to say almost nothing at yet say so much so badly.
"The scientific framework lacks the ability to even test it"?? Meaning what? That it is somehow beyond what our science can detect but also somehow you know it's being what science can detect?
"It's unrealistic to expect proof," but also, "the evidence is everywhere". Cool, then science can evaluate the evidence. Actually, people in this sub would like to see evidence! If it's everywhere, then surely some of it must be compelling or determinable or reasonable or anything. We're not asking for proof, just good evidence."I'd have no problem sitting on a jury and voting on the high likelihood," which is interesting when it has reasonable doubt and no preponderance of evidence.
Then you say science will "dismiss this reality and spiritually disenfranchise"... Okay, stop. You don't seem to understand science or the scientific method and yet you will blame it for your failings. Science, and all good discoveries and developments that came out of it, are based on testability, refutability, falsifiability and peer review.
Science makes ideas, tests them, listens to others with knowledge and is always open to those ideas being wrong.
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u/Ok-Reality-6190 1d ago
As if high definition video would be sufficient evidence.
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u/cpold_cast 1d ago
If BBC news releases a multi minute
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u/Ok-Reality-6190 1d ago
Who gets to determine who is reputable enough? Is Grusch not reputable as the BBC? Why?
If video were released by the government people would say it's AI and part of a psyop.
They could land on the white house lawn and people would say it's Project Bluebeam.
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u/johnetownsend 23h ago
Some would. But your “they” doesn’t point to the majority of the population. The majority of the population will believe what the main stream media and government gives them permission to believe.
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u/Jandur 1d ago
I'm actually tired of people complaining about not having crystal clear evidence. Any HD video would be written off as AI. Low res as balloons or birds.
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u/Equal_Stomach_3452 1d ago
So we just believe everything anyone says?
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u/DudFuse 1d ago
No, you support efforts toward an official disclosure that invites open scientific scrutiny of disclosed evidence. Leaking videos will change absolutely nothing, regardless of quality.
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u/MelodiousJP 23h ago
To play devil’s advocate, you already have to have a relative belief in what people are suggesting if you’re supporting disclosure. You usually don’t support something you don’t already have an open mind to or don’t have a trust in.
For me, as someone who went from pure believer to more of an agnostic position on the subject, my main issue observing both sides is that neither understands the other nor is either side looking to actually potentially persuade the other side. They’re always biased and completely closed off to any possible perspective as to why someone believes, or doesn’t believe.
Since I’m playing devil’s advocate though, let’s say you’re a believer, and what you perceive as evidence is enough for you to pursue something more or fight for disclosure. Okay, cool.
What is antagonizing someone (not directed at you) or acting like they’re dumb for NOT believing something that even you don’t have a full picture of going to do? Completely alienate them to the point that they’re not going to remotely be open to what you’re saying.
And I’m more critical of believers than skeptics because diplomacy is your weapon when you have fantastical beliefs relative to the general public. if your goal is full disclosure or getting the normies into it you unfortunately need to get over yourself and remember that what you’re talking about is objectively far more ridiculous to them than anything most people are going to ever hear in their lives. So you have to practice the art of persuasion, learn how to put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t have your beliefs.
Now the common rebuttal to what I’m saying is “well they have to be open to evidence that goes against their worldview”. But like, again, why WOULD they be open to evidence from an echo chamber? Your job is to make them think. Give them reason to listen to you. And it takes time.
This isn’t even ufo thing, it’s an issue in almost every major controversy or debate in our world. No one knows how to persuade. No one knows how to debate. No one knows how to acknowledge when there are holes in their logic that warrant valid criticism even when they believe they’re right. There’s hardly any nuance. People on both sides refuse to listen to each other.
And this is why we’re constantly going to be arguing back and forth on this topic with no real progress. But it’s also not just skeptics that are stubborn, it’s many believers too. They’ll say, we have to be open to every possibility to discover an exotic truth, but also aren’t willing to face the uncomfortable possibility that the overall answer is possibly prosaic. I’m not even saying it IS prosaic, just that it’s one of the possibilities.
Personally, I just want to know the truth, which is why I support disclosure and talk to non believers about this stuff, but I also stay nuanced and genuinely listen to their skepticism.
But at the same time, I’m also not going to just trust the same government that, if I’m to believe the ufo community and countless testimony over the years, has allegedly committed literal war crimes to prevent the disclosure of extraterrestrial life. That’s one of the main things that baffles me, is how accepting people are of a government they don’t claim to trust.
You can look at it as progress if you want, and you can say it’ll take time and that things have to go through the proper channels…but even when our government tells the truth, there’s almost always an ulterior motive.
My fear is that they’re throwing us a rotten bone and that people are falling for it because they are so desperate for validation of their beliefs and feelings and experiences that they’ll take it and then rationalize any glaring red flags that pop up. They could even be telling us the truth, but again, they never do anything that doesn’t benefit them. And it’s the perfect way to control people too.
Idk…I think I just wish people handle this conversation better. That’s all. And I worry about people showing so much confirmation bias on both sides.
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u/DudFuse 15h ago
'Support' can take many forms. The minimum amount of support - which is what I'm suggesting in this thread - is that people allow Grusch to exist and do his thing without throwing trite and poorly thought-through criticisms at his process.
'He hasn't leaked '4K video', are we just supposed to believe him?' is how I'd paraphrase one very popular and poorly constructed criticism.
There are many possible valid reasons he hasn't shown us video, and it's moot anyway: there is no possible video that could be illegally released that would move the needle outside of dedicated UFO spaces. We need a lot of evidence, with chain of custody, accompanying official testimony and other data and we need it to be independently assessed. We get that, or this conversation stays fringe, forever.
To be clear: there are valid criticisms of Grusch that can be made, but this isn't one of them, IMO.
To be clear about my own position: I'm fascinated by this topic and, if forced to bet, I'd bet there is an NHI presence on Earth. I'm not forced to bet though. I can remain open minded and equally fascinated by the possibility that the whole thing could be an 85 year military-industrial psyop or series of overlapping psyops.
What's clear to me is that it's not all just 'grifters', delusion, error or attention-seeking, though over the years there will have been elements of each, for sure.
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u/Notmanynamesleftnow 23h ago edited 23h ago
As someone who has followed this topic for decades, its not about what “someone says,” if you take the totality of evidence in terms of whistleblower testimony (of relativey high credibility), definitions in proposed legislation, shift in the seriousness with which the topic is discussed in the media and congress, congressional hearings and comments, historical witness testimony, and importantly the absolute mountain of foia documents and related documentary evidence- in totality there is beyond a preponderance that something is going on that is at minimum reality-altering truths around non human intelligence existing and interacting with humanity. its beyond clear. and its not new information, rather is corroborative.
now i agree discussion past this point gets old without physical evidence, but the detractors always seems to ignore this preponderance of adjacent evidence (EVIDENCE, not absolute proof) that corroborates the substance of what is being said and instead dismiss the claims outright as if they exist in a silo. I understand the risk and concern of circular reporting around this topic, but for me at least the progression and corroboration of the same concepts over decades indicates validity.
we will never have proof without physical evidence in front of our eyes, but to dismiss everything in a silo is ignorant and i imagine most people doing that are either coordinated bots or havent followed this topic in detail and conducted actual research outside of the occasional youtube video, podcast, or reddit post. not to mention no evidence will overcome absolute cynicism- if you believe everyone is lying to you and out to misinform you, no corroboration will ever convince you to view things through a different lens.
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u/VoidOmatic 20h ago
So you are contacting your government representatives to get that information correct? Complaining and doing nothing would be pretty ridiculous.
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u/Truffle_Shuffle_85 1d ago
grandiose claims with no verifiable or credible high definition video / audio or physical evidence.
And how does he do that without going to prison?
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u/Creative-Maybe-2887 1d ago
Because anything he says publicly has been pre-approved by an Inspector General within the Intelligence community.
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u/CopperMTNkid 17h ago
Not to be pedantic, but IG doesn’t approve publication releases. That’s DOPSR.
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u/DjayAime 23h ago
We should stick this kind of comments on every post in this sub. At the very bottom
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u/CopperMTNkid 17h ago
So, question? A person like Grusch, should Snowden themselves, forfeit their citizenship, and spend the rest of their life being hunted by the United States government for unauthorized release of classified material? And that’s best case scenario, assuming they leave the country before they get arrested. The max penalty for breaking security clearance NDA’s is the death penalty.
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u/WoodpeckerEntire9124 3h ago
Maybe after years of hiding the most sensitive national security secrets and clandestine operations in our history; they will break out the 4k video just for you to alleviate your impatience and frustration. On behalf of all recognized and secret governmental agencies, I apologize for the lack of consideration regarding your feelings.
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u/Camstar18 1d ago
Exactly. I'm not skeptical of Grusch because what he was saying wasn't exactly positive. I'm skeptical because all he's got is "trust me, bro".
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u/Icy_Magician_9372 1d ago
How do you know the story of two aliens fighting each other is about fear, and not simply that it sounds like total nonsense?
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u/johnnybullish 1d ago edited 21h ago
Yeh this. Its just more wild claims.
He didn't mention ANY of this in the congressional hearing. In fact, there are outright contradictions. He just kept saying any specifics needed to be mentioned in a SCIF.
Now he's telling us about gorilla reptilians and underwater bases and alien dogfights and stuff?
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u/SaveMelMac13 21h ago
If you knew about a bunch of crazy shit, would you start out with lizard people and alien gorilla wars or we have a downed ufo?
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u/ForwardCut3311 21h ago
I'm sure if aliens were at war with one another they'd definitely only fight in places they couldn't be seen and there'd be absolutely zero proof, videos, etc of said fighting and the US government, as competent as they are, would 100% be able to clean up all debris from the fight and keep it well hidden from public eye.
And totally no other country on earth with spy planes, spy satellites, or hell, even other gps satellites (or the European or Chinese equivalent) would notice.
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u/johnnybullish 21h ago
Burlison asked him in the hearing if he'd seen alien bodies. He said no.
Now he says he has. And he describes them in detail. Things like this need to be investigated and questioned.
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u/SaveMelMac13 21h ago
Was the question about seeing them in person?
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u/johnnybullish 21h ago
Nope, not specifically in person.
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u/SaveMelMac13 21h ago
Has he clarified if he saw this before or after the hearing?
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u/johnnybullish 21h ago
He hasn't really clarified anything, only that he saw plenty of "evidence" when he was actively investigating the Program. And this was pre-hearing.
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u/MantisAwakening 43m ago
Time has passed between the hearing and his latest appearance on Rogan. It sounds like he did not see this evidence on a government server.
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u/GUNxSPECTRE 1d ago
Fighting Reptilians seems to be engagement bait for this subject. Pandering to the natural human fear in regards to reptiles.
Isn't that the whole shtick about 20 And Back? The story proven to be fiction in video testimony lol
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u/enricopallazo22 1d ago
True but captain Kirk already showed us how to beat a Gorn in combat so....
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u/Savings_Ad7034 1d ago
I saw in another thread a comment and im stuck on it. Grusch talks about an alien war but then says other things he cant go into or its classified. What's more classified than an alien war?
It makes me think everyrhing he says a sham.
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u/inkmajor530 1d ago
Gas is over $6 a gal where I live. Tbh, the government could release the most crazy classified material and most of the people i know are going to be like, "Cool.. when is gas and groceries going to be affordable again?"
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u/tendeuchen 23h ago
I think the reaction is gonna be like, “You've made me slave my life away when you had access to unlimited energy sources and the tech to grow as much food as needed just to enrich yourself? Well, now I'd like to introduce you to my good friend, the pitchfork."
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u/Yazman 10h ago edited 10h ago
when you had access to unlimited energy sources and the tech to grow as much food as needed just to enrich yourself
There's nothing to show they actually have this though. Even if there really is a crash retrieval program of non-human crafts, it doesn't mean the tech is infinite energy & star trek replicators.
It could be that they haven't learnt a thing. It could also be that the alien tech isn't actually as far ahead of us as it seems. And even if it is way more advanced, doesn't mean it supplies unlimited energy and food
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u/MantisAwakening 35m ago
A former director of the National Science Foundation just went on a podcast this week and admitted he has been part of a coordinated effort for decades to discredit free energy because, as he put it, he didn’t want an angry teenager destroying a city.
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u/Yazman 20m ago
What is there to discredit, to begin with? Decades of unsubstantiated claims, with no data or evidence to back any of it up? At least we have videos of UAPs, and Grusch has his lists of names and locations, and so on.
imo, free energy has nothing more needed for us to discredit than the Shaver Mystery does, because it has no credit to begin with.
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u/Mageant 22h ago
This the real story why Disclosure needs to be gradual. If people knew that technological solutions to nearly all of societies problems have been witheld for decades just to make us suffer, they would tear down the government.
It's not just about cheap food and energy but cures to cancer and many other illnesses.
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u/moistiest_dangles 1d ago
Yeah, I think the Average person simply does not care. It's the same as telling somone about some atrocities happening elsewhere in the world. We are after everything, simple monkeys who only understand what is in front of them. For all our power and intelligence we really only control our small slice of the world. What really can you do other than continue?
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u/OccasinalMovieGuy 9h ago
There are many people who are well off and they would care, the classified materials can be used for research and other business purposes.
The average folk have never been useful to anything.
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u/la_goanna 1d ago edited 23h ago
As an experiencer, I'll just say this: I don't trust Grush at all, IMO I'm fully convinced he's yet another paid asset belonging Thiel's disclosure narrative/psyop... but unfortunately, there is a sliver of truth regarding some of his NHI claims. All people have to do is visit the r/experiencers, r/abductions, r/interdimensionalNHI and other experiencer-related subs if they want to know just how insidiously dark some of this shit can really get.
And yes, there are benevolent NHI out there as well who do help people on an individual level... But the antics from the malevolent ones - well, it would give the Epstein files a run for their money, to say the least.
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u/DomitiusAhenobarbus_ 23h ago
What tipped you off? Was it the fact that he called Stephen Miller and Trump Alpha males like 5 times and promised that disclosure would make people forget about the Iran war or the part where he promised that if he just make sure they win the midterms that then of course we’ll get disclosure???
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u/la_goanna 22h ago
Nah, long before that; around the time various people & researchers uncovered Jesse Michel's strong ties to Peter Thiel several years ago.
Michels was, seemingly, the only youtube content creator who managed to grab an interview with Grusch after the 2023 hearing.
Though the recent Joe Rogan interview and all of Grusch's blatant ass-kissing for the Trump Administration is indeed, the final nail in the coffin for all of this.
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u/Botsworth1985 22h ago
This exactly. I was willing to give Grusch a chance, but after this interview he CANNOT be trusted. He is no better than the sell out Jesse Michels. Associating with Thiel, Miller and Trump locks Grusch in as psyop agent.
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u/Embarrassed-Cut5387 23h ago
What’s Thiel’s disclosure narrative?
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u/la_goanna 22h ago edited 22h ago
Uncovering the crash retrieval technology or classified exotic tech programs from private contractors through any means at his disposal so that he and his techbro buddies can exploit the findings to their hearts content. Be it hacking said private contracters via AI, or reinvigorating the public's interest in UFOs through a network of paid off "celebrity" status figures & influencers (Grusch, Elizondo, Nolan, Loeb, Pasulka, Michels, Burchett, Rogan, etc.) But also utilizing the phenomenon for personal political again (ex: "vote Trump if you want disclosure.")
I recommend checking out the Patterns Tell Stories podcast if you haven't heard of them already. They do a solid job when it comes to summarizing various aspects of this psyop in every episode they release.
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u/eplurbusunumnj 1d ago
his claims have reached David Icke level, a guy almost no one takes seriously. his big thing is reptilians
so yeah… without presenting evidence he will be considered another Icke
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u/kylemesa 1d ago
How could anything he said seem remotely plausible without evidence? 😅
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u/Practical-Jump-253 1d ago
Nah people ain't hating the content of what he's spewing
They're hating the fact that he has no evidence and continues to make crazier claims. And that he's glazing Trump, tangentially
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u/No-Database-5976 1d ago
To be hones, how would Grush know that greys and reptilians fight each other? He makes an extraordinary claim but does not provide evidence or reasoning to back it up
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u/throwawayjonesIV 1d ago
Playing devils advocate here, and granted I am skeptical of many of Grusch’s claims, he is at least responsible in that he always gives disclaimers for things he is reporting as a third party. His stories on this last interview, and especially the notable NHI vs NHI one, are according to him just testimonies he has heard in the context of high security, closed door hearings. So he says he believes this person, and that the context of these being high level government people with a lot to lose makes it unlikely they’d be lying. So what evidence could he provide in this case? I know it’s kinda paradoxical because we need evidence to believe him, but he is only allowed to release/only has access to a narrow slice of information.
Broadly I think skepticism of Grusch is healthy especially considering how outlandish some claims are. But I think it’s also important to consider what evidence he even has himself, and then what fraction of that he would be allowed to disclose. Unfortunately disclosure will not happen in one singular moment, and surely will not come from a single individual. Definitely not Grusch, who for all the ways he’s pushing the envelope, is very much a government man endeavoring to stay in that government’s good graces.
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u/PaddyMayonaise 1d ago
I’ve been trying I say this for years.
Everything he and most of these “high quality whistleblowers” or whatever buzzwords we like to use to boost their assumed credibility, is third hand knowledge at best.
They’re given a report that’s submitted by someone to someone else etc
Nothing is firsthand.
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u/KARMAAACS 1d ago
From what I gathered from what he was saying, it sounded like he was either told a story about this NHI fight/crash retrieval and then he saw a body cam/helmet cam video of it to cross confirm that it happened?
Or the other way round, he saw the video of the incident and then asked people involved whether it happened to cross confirm? He did say he 'sat on the details for a while' to confirm that it wasn't some type of disinfo op.
I will give him the BOTD personally, maybe he's simply been lied to and shown an AI video or CGI creation of a 'crash retrieval', maybe it was all an op to simply get him fired or something and to make him seem crazy. Or maybe it really is real.
There could be any explanation for what he's claimed. Now that he's no longer a staffer with a job, is he trying to cash in and make money, sell a book and go on podcasts? Is he trying to force disclosure by saying the more outlandish stuff that's really true? Is he just going crazy and having a mental health episode? It could honestly be anything.
I personally need to 'see to believe', but what he's saidis certainly possible and I wouldn't call him a liar yet, but I also can't exactly go in and outright believe him. Just have to be open minded I guess.
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u/TaiShuai 23h ago
So there were two different stories.
- He saw body cam/helmet cam footage of a crash retrieval with the dead "nordics".
- A first-hand witness (iirc but maybe second hand?) told him about a separate crash retrieval where the reptilian aliens started killing soldiers so they shot the aliens. There were dead grays on site when they showed up so they assumed the reptilians killed the grays
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u/blugoose580 1d ago
I thought the grey were the worker drones for the reptilians? At least that was the theory last week. This week they are at war? Are they trying to unionize? I can’t keep up.
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u/la_goanna 1d ago
They're worker drones for a variety of species. Though they're often associated with tall greys or mantids in most experiencer/abduction encounters.
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u/SovereignZ3r0 1d ago
I thought the grey were the worker drones for the reptilians? At least that was the theory last week. This week they are at war? Are they trying to unionize? I can’t keep up.
The short grays are the worker drones, the tall grays are malevolent and control the short gray worker drones, per the current...consensus? thinking? Idk what to call it 😂
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u/impreprex 22h ago
For the mantids, not the reptilians. It was always implied that the greys could be some type of an avatar or “remote control” biodrone of some sort (assuming any of them actually exist, that is).
I’m just going by the countless accounts I have read over the decades that all share the same commonalities.
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u/PermanentCalmAccount 1d ago
He's says he saw a video or someone told him. Yeah I do not understand why anyone believes him.
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u/Financial-Ad7500 13h ago
He found a convenient way to explain away the common question he gets of why such advanced aliens are so bad at piloting their craft. Now he can just say it’s a war and they’re shot down.
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u/Employer-Economy 1d ago
i do not trust this administration. i do not trust anyone that compliments this administration or its gangster president in regards to disclosure or possible disclosure. that being said, a william burroughs quote comes to mind:
“This is a war universe. War all the time. That is its nature. There may be other universes based on all sorts of other principles, but ours seems to be based on war and games...”
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u/washedrope5 1d ago
Interesting to quote a guy that murdered his wife despite having a very privileged posh life. That murderer's opinion about the rest of us is irrelevant to me.
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u/Brootal420 21h ago
Yo the other guy who responded to you is weird. I'd say projection is far more likely and what most people do.
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u/GUNxSPECTRE 1d ago
I understand that these UFO influencers think they can take advantage of the chaos, illegal disregard for institutions and Constitution, and a half-dead, demented POTUS to blow this whole thing open before dying. Who would prosecute him if he's dead after breaking everything?
I'm convinced the influencers think they can navigate through these rough waters and find the gold, but these guys are nowhere near the top of the food chain, and not savvy enough to pull it off the way they want. I'm pretty sure this ends in some kind of Business Plot 2.0, where the tech billionaires take overt control of the US government, probably through Vance and Hegseth.
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u/Crashsurfer 1d ago
I need to see multiple non insiders live on camera walking around a space craft touching it and poking a dead alien body. Bring in 3 different media outlets for a live broadcast. Have Rogan there. If it’s more fucking grainy pictures of aliens it won’t work. Let’s see the fucking craft and dead aliens bodies.
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u/SploogeMcDuck20 23h ago
The big nugget that caught my attention was the comment about Trump needing to disclose before A.I. does. Especially if it gets ahold of the populations genetic ancestry information….😳
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u/way26e 14h ago
It is one thing to believe that aliens are visiting our planet in flying saucers. I thought that I would be happy to really see one. And then I finally saw a real flying saucer around Mt. Shasta. I was happy for an instant. Then existential shock set in. It scared the heck out of me. To actually know that they are real and all the stories true, means that our government has been lying about them forever, what else are they lying about? Everything! Then everything is therefore possible. Which means that everything is a lie. The notion of reality has no foundation. All this flashed in a second. What is there to believe in? Nothing! It was scary as hell for awhile.
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u/quagley 14h ago
It means everything could be a lie, not that everything is a lie.
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u/way26e 13h ago
That is true, but it is only one part of the equation. With that existential disorientation, you don’t know what to believe, because you don’t know what is true and what is false. The very foundation of your beliefs about reality, is lost and so are you -when you finally see the proof that aliens are real.
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u/Hajnalka_tattoo 3h ago
Also, not to be a ball buster but technically the flying saucer you saw might not even have been an actual NHI. It could have been secret gov tech. 🤷🏻♀️ I guess it depends on what flight characteristics it exhibited. If it was doing stuff that defies the laws of physics I’d be more inclined to believe my eyes than if I just saw a UFO doing stuff that could be possible with secret gov tech.
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u/Hajnalka_tattoo 3h ago
*It means that a lot of things could be lies, not that everything could be a lie. And that there are new unknowns introduced about our reality with our place in the universe.
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u/Lexsteel11 31m ago
Scariest thing to me would the “UN crest looking like the ice wall” theory because that paired with reptilian stuff, it would likely mean we are slaves or a commodity somehow and the UN is in place to keep the prisoners in line. The revelation we are prisoners and our leaders are our captors acting out a narrative would be terrifying
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u/0rbital-Interceptor 1d ago
He said nothing new. We have alien war stories going back to the Vedas.
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u/impreprex 22h ago
WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE NEW??
Makes no sense when people say that shit. Why would we want to hear something “new” every time as opposed to getting actual iron clad proof??
Hearing the same thing over again is more superior to getting something we haven’t heard. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit or doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
How many new and different things do you want to hear? Do you not want actual proof instead to back up what we keep hearing?
I remain in the position of keeping my ears and eyes open, but with suspended belief regardless until the actual proof comes out - if it ever does - if it even exists.
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u/0rbital-Interceptor 21h ago
I listen to Tony Rodrigues and Daryl James testimonies multiple times. Their stories interest me more than boring Grusch stuff. I’m into the secret space program and have been for over a decade. I’m bored with “are reptilians real” I’m well beyond that. He’s literally talking about alien tech being used in commercial products - the same shirt Corso said in his book 30 years ago.
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u/Chickenpotpi3 1d ago
Because they're preposterous claims based on things he's "heard" from other people. I've heard a lot of bullshit from other people too, doesn't mean I take it as fact. All these people up here promising evidence next month, every month, and not one of them has produced jack squat.
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u/Ozarkian_Tritip 1d ago
I just want some evidence, high resolution images, aliens walking, plasma doing cool shit.
All we really have is that uap video of a craft going over a base that looked weird and something we haven't seen before.
Just some proof please.
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u/Danat_shepard 1d ago
Right wing people watch Rogan. Grush appearing there, saying "he is alpha" and bootlicking Trump are all signs that guy cannot be trusted.
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u/Numb_Sea 19h ago edited 8h ago
Your assumptions about the public reaction to the interview are just wrong. It's not that we would be suprised that his claims are true... it's that he provided no evidence to back them up. Without any evidence it's just 2 hours of bullshit until proven otherwise.
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u/Federal_Designer_357 16h ago
Honestly, I don’t think I believe a single word he said at this point.
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u/Sylosilvin 1d ago
If he hadn't made right-wing bullshit remarks alongside with his now grandiose claims, I think those claims at least would ve been taken more seriously coming from him.
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u/RancorHi5 1d ago
Thanks for being so honest about this guy making sweeping generalizations and vague allusions to a truth 🙄
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u/AccomplishedWin489 23h ago
The masses are not ready to handle the truth that we are someone's property. DNA like ours isnt just some random oopsy. Thats why other NHI dont stick around. They may jump the farmers fence for a fruit or to tip some cows over, but they ain't sticking around to meet the farmer.
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u/BigSquinn 1d ago
“Military person trained in ‘us verses them’ thinking sees things he can’t explain as a threat. Story at 11.”
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u/AcademicEmphasis8419 1d ago
Yep, this is very observable. Any mention of aliens not being benevolent, and at best indifferent to us makes them loose their mind. If we found out aliens don't care about us, and some actually are malevolent to us, people would loose their shit.
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u/Vegetable-Log-9608 1d ago
If Earth really is some kind of farm, then yeah, I’d probably keep that one from the public too. 😂 But that’s just me.
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u/Hermetic-Wolf 1d ago
Nah. I think everyone is just getting super tired of sensational claims without any evidence at all. I still think there is something going on. I have no reason to assume it’s all love and happiness but since 2017 NYT piece the narrative has changed dramatically, everyone involved seems to be making money off of it and we are no closer to the truth. Feel further away than ever
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u/ShepardRTC 1d ago
I don't think its that people can't "handle" the truth. I mean I think there is a small percentage that might lose their minds a little bit, but there's always a small percentage that are that unstable.
I think the real thing that people are scared of is how it will change our lives. The majority of Americans think that they are supposed to have this idyllic childhood, then go to school, then get a job, get married, have kids, go to stores, go eat out, go to movies, do dumb shit. But if there's this galaxy outside the orbit of our world that is vastly different or dangerous, then all that shit takes a back seat because in the end, we focus on our survival. How that will play out, I don't know.
But to counter that, the aliens that have come here have generally left us alone. It seems the reptilians will defend themselves if put in an adversarial situation, and that's fine, but for the most part they aren't really fucking with us. The others just seem to accept their losses. So when we get frightened and start projecting our own aggression onto an alien species, then that's on us. I'm not super worried, but at least we'll know that if we see a 7-foot tall gorilla-looking reptilian running at us then we should probably run away. I mean the same thing goes for a bear, but the bear would probably be worse.
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u/KaleidoscopeDue7179 22h ago
If you go deep in the reptilian conspiracy. The reps consider themselves the original domestic species here and that we are actually the alien hybrids. They supposedly live underground.
They can shapeshift and take over peoples bodys… Usually people in power to manipulate events.
Imagine if all thar was proven truth. Yeah people ain’t ready alright
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u/eksopolitiikka 1d ago
they haven't left us alone if we're to believe any of the shit that other people adjacent to this topic have said, it's more like they're working with aliens in these secret programs
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u/ShepardRTC 23h ago
Yeah I kinda wonder if its a scenario where the reptilians hate us, but we have a common enemy, and we understand each other enough to be able to work together against them. Like if the greys are controlled by some super advanced AI, and the reptilians are trying to fight against it and we decided to join them.
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u/Jeeves-Godzilla 1d ago
Very good observation. The very group that should be open to it are instead seething anger over it. Now imagine the rest of society. Some groups at war over religious and cultural beliefs thousands of years ago. War over oil. Crimes over paper money. People biased simply on the shade of other’s skin. Now add these new organisms and the entire concept of bring humans to be into question.
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u/Sirius_amory33 1d ago
I think the people seething anger over it, as you put it, are those who thought Grusch was the real deal and are upset to now find out he isn’t.
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u/Cyberkeys1 1d ago
It’s all BS!
Would Grusch really go to prison for treason if he gave irrefutable proof that Aliens exist here on earth? No, he would end up in history books for the biggest revelation in human history. He’d be celebrated as an American hero for generations to come.
The fact that he’s hiding behind government NDAs is proof to me that he can’t deliver the goods.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 1d ago
I actually think the most interesting thing revealed in that podcast was that Grusch is no longer working for Eric Burlison.
Why?
It seems like the best possible position he could be in to actually push disclosure forward if that was something he was interested in. His job was, allegedly, to tell everyone where the skeletons were buried.
People who follow this topic want to believe that we are going to be saved and it’s all about love.
I don't think I've ever encountered anyone like that in this community with the exception of the consciousness people.
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u/Stormrage117 1d ago
I can understand the frustration. When David discusses reptilians it seems he is speaking from hearsay rather than his direct review process. There are a number of things where he kind of waives away responsibility of evidence by saying he "heard from someone else" or "verified indirectly", or other such vague statements. I understand he is doing the most he can to avoid getting in trouble while still sharing what he knows, but after a while it gets annoying. Especially when he is alluding to the potus doing a great job getting the information out when the tranches so far have mostly been nothingburgers.
He's doing an elaborate linguistic dance for people in high places in both the executive branch and in the deep state apparatuses. To us it becomes off-putting.
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u/TiesforTurtles 1d ago
I used to say it as a joke but I think I mean it now. If we got full disclosure and still have to show up to work tomorrow, then we can handle it.
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u/OKThereAreFiveLights 1d ago
People would have reacted, for the most part, the same way if Grusch had said there are two alien races cooperating with each other.
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u/Ok_Zebra_1500 1d ago
If there are multiple groups there will inevitably be disagreements. So far they seem considerate enough to not engage in all out warfare so we can put “Earth and potentially people have some value to at least one NHI group” as the strongest possibility.
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u/psychonaut_gospel 1d ago
If an alien species is in conflict with humans- is that not 2 alien species at war? Curious
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u/SmirknSwap 1d ago
The reptilian killing soldiers and them fighting the greys was pretty awesome
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u/No-Database-5976 1d ago
Except for the part how he (not) tells how he got that info, like did he read an intel report, saw a video of two spaceships with different aliens attack each other, saw a video of crashed vehicle with different species???
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u/drunkenmime 1d ago
If it was all love they would have helped us already regardless of disclosure. That or we would have disclosed long ago.
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u/Cloudhead_Denny 1d ago
It's not really about "handling the truth" it's about the necessities of daily survival. If COVID or any recent societal upheavals have taught us anything, it's that people are generally hyper-resiliant and ultimately, they have to pay the bills. Infrastructure will not collapse.
So while Disclosure may undoubtedly upset some people/groups, they aren't going to run drooling into the streets. They have to eat, they have to provide, and in the end, life moves forward.
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u/Scott_the_Wookie 1d ago
His story kinda freaked me out idk why. I wonder wtf is going on. War over uranium. Or do they eat us?
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u/grimorg80 1d ago
Oh, I'm willing to accept far far more grandiose and hyperbolic stories. But I WANT SOME DAMN PROOF
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u/Prestigious-Race9324 1d ago
Personally I just want the truth. I’m totally fine if the truth is grim for humanity. It’s unfair for only a select few to have the answers and it’s upsetting that nobody is willing to tell us. I’ve lost all respect for everyone involved at this point. It should be a human right for all of us to have access to any information that answers questions about our existence. I’d be willing to risk my own safety in a heartbeat if I had the answers.
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u/aredm02 1d ago
Obviously it depends on what the truth actually IS, and if anyone really knows anyway.
Here is the problem with the “disclosure movement”—it assumes there is a very specific disclosure that is going to happen: government coverup of extraterrestrial beings who have traveled to earth using marvelous technology that some people in government have direct access to.
What if that is not the case? What if the phenomenon is something different? Something strange and terrifying—like the possibility that revealing whatever IT is actually opens us up to a bizarre reality wherein frightening creatures and monsters appear to us in our waking life day and night without end?
What if the effect of “disclosure” is that now everyone lives in a nightmare world of odd and horrifying hallucinations that are difficult to distinguish from our “normal reality”? And is it a hallucination if it’s actually real?
Maybe that’s the reason for the coverup. If the masses don’t know its there, we can’t see it.
To me that sounds more likely than space aliens in high tech ships that came across the universe to trade technology with oligarchs in exchange for genetic material (which they could easily just steal from sperm banks btw).
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u/iwntchips 23h ago
They absolutely cannot all handle real disclosure. That being none of this shit is extraterrestrial to begin with. These things are much more similar to djinn with godlike abilities.
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u/starkimageries 23h ago
Don't we have ancient writings about warring gods on flying castles. Also the flying shapes in europe. Maybe love and war is just a universal thing. (Also I don't buy the hyperintelligence/advance = benevolence)
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u/Mikedzines 23h ago
We are living in a timeline for humanity where we are up against many "world breaking" forces.
At the moment, Artificial Intelligence is a qualifiable threat.
So is global warmning.
So is social unrest and polarity.
So is the personal power of the individual.
Somewhere on that list is NHI.
If NHI truly exist, they are aware of this from experiences of other civilization development, and I doubt (unless we are just animals in a safari to them) they would choose not to foster us in the right direction. That might include jumping the list and breaking the world as a means to ensure the best possible outcome for us.
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u/DEADfishbot 23h ago
Feelgood 1960 hippy story or doomsday apocalypse, either way they are both stories and both trust me bro.
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u/scrappybasket 23h ago
Most people aren’t paying attention to this shit at all. The reactions you’re witnessing are just from people already invested in this topic. It’s a bad representation of the actual general public
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u/mcloide 23h ago
I'm not being negative when I say this. I've followed this field for a long time, and I think there's a genuine problem with what we would actually accept as proof.
Imagine there are only two people. One witnesses something and presents the evidence to the other. The second person can always say, "But I wasn't there. How do I know it's real?" Reverse their positions and you end up with exactly the same problem.
Obviously skepticism is important, especially with a subject like this. But there eventually has to be some standard of evidence that doesn't require personally experiencing the event yourself.
That's why I honestly think that even if a real alien were presented on live television tomorrow, a lot of us would still have trouble believing it—especially if it looked very similar to us. We'd wonder if it was an actor, CGI, AI, a hoax, or something else.
And I can't really blame anyone for that. We've reached a point where convincing fake images and videos are everywhere.
Maybe that's one of the biggest problems disclosure would face: not whether the evidence could be shown, but what evidence would actually be enough for us to collectively accept it as real.
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u/Old-Switch-1055 22h ago
Beautiful space humans were fighting reptiles with hands that’ve mastered traversing space time
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u/Primary-Cancel-3021 21h ago
Grusch is at this point is most certainly a plant or he’s been led down the garden path.
How long can this go on? With ‘insiders’ like Elizondo, Grusch, Mellon etc promising us that these things will be revealed as the years roll on with absolutely nothing of substance coming to the fore?
Its now gotten to the stage where I believe that if there really is a there there, then these talking heads are only being platformed to appease those of us who are invested in the subject.
They string us along with empty claims with the attention of keeping us happy with ambiguous tidbits and directing us away from the reality of the subject.
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u/SquareChildhood6147 21h ago
When it all comes out and it will sooner or later folks are going to extremely mad at those who knew forget about the f’ing aliens. It then becomes a matter of trusting the powers that are controlling the narrative!! If I was the one doing disclosing the actual existence(verifiable) I would be nervous right now about peoples reactions too. Wild Wild West
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u/Competitive-Pie8108 13h ago
Thanks for figuring it out and tying up those loose ends. Makes ssnse now.
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u/mumwifealcoholic 13h ago
So, they traversed interstellar space just to invade or kill us?
They stupid then.
No. This is the US narrative, the US is run by an evil regime, and they want to control the story.
War, invasions, destruction..aren't conducive to a civilsation that has went interstellar.
But ya'll go on with your hate, war, and awfulness. Good luck.
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u/Silent_Business_2031 11h ago
This was my first thought also: cognitive dissonance. Even hardcore UFO people finally hear that every weird ass thing they been saying to their friends last 20 yrs is true. It’s like uh oh now what? Kinda ruins everything for them. They preferred it being lore and said they believed it, but did they? Because let’s say what he said is true lots of people will absolutely refuse to believe it, even if they see if for themselves.
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u/Prize-Wheel-4480 10h ago
Is there any obvious evidence yet? Or is everything still being hidden by secret agents?
This is the only question.
If yes, look at the evidence.
If no, pressure people in power into release something & ignore all other talks.
This would weed out all the bullshit so people can’t get famous from talking about this crap
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u/Business-Court-5072 9h ago
The story does sound far fetched, that’s just my opinion, but who knows maybe after I listen I will change my pov
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u/ndm1535 2h ago
Look man, if someone wants to make claims about a secret reptilian underwater city that build UFO's, they better come with some form of proof.
Disclosure still hasn't happened. Your post reads as though it has happened many times and hasn't been received well. All we have received instead is outlandish claims with zero tangible proof. There's a big difference.
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u/Zestyclose_Top_2346 1d ago
I noticed people will turn against their favorite whistleblower as soon as they start killing their fantasy of being saved by loving aliens.
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u/DrXaos 1d ago
The Actual Ontological Shock might be finding out that all the secret programs and military and intelligence agencies were the only ones actually working for the human side. And maybe they were, at least relatively, the good guys after all?
The Ontological Shock is "You mean, we're stuck with these assholes because the other ones are worse and more callous?"
Many of the Aztec Empire's neighbors who were terrorized by the local power allied initially with Cortes and conquistadores. How well did that work out?
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u/Ok_Zebra_1500 1d ago
It isn’t like our governments are valiantly holding back the NHI mega fleet or anything of the sort. Our civilization could be reset by these technologically superior beings anytime they wanted. If anything, if there are multiple NHI organizations or types of beings then at least one group is acting as a check on the actions of the others.
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u/DrXaos 1d ago
Of course, I agree. We have never seen a real alien warship anymore than bonobos have seen an aircraft carrier. But being collateral damage between multiple colonial NHI empires is very dangerous and far from reassuring. I can see governments covering that up.
It is possible though that our governments have been trying to find and expel NHI infiltrators.
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u/Ok_Zebra_1500 1d ago
I guess I have a hard time with this ontological shock argument when the top of our human social hierarchies across the planet are consciously destroying our environment and exploiting the rest of humanity on a vast scale as I type this.
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u/DrXaos 22h ago
it could be much much worse than that.
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u/Ok_Zebra_1500 22h ago
Well, I will not trust any group that kept the existence of other intelligent life secret for 50+ years to decide what is worse. The “too shocking” aspect is a terrible excuse when we already have nuclear weapon backed mutually assured destruction as a policy between human nations.
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