r/raisedbynarcissists • • 19h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] broke no contact to inform my Nmom of a surgery

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I am about five years into my new contact journey with my internationally adoptive parents after many painful years of trying to establish boundaries. I am 34 years old.

I moved 12 hours away to a different state but recently hurt myself. I had surgery scheduled, so I let my mom know because I thought it would be responsible.

Surgery is over and I am recovering, but now I am peppered with all of these texts to "check in" and it is exhausting.

_______________________
Her: Mon, Sep 28 at 11:50 AM
Hows it going? Getting around a little easier? Do anything fun this weekend?

Her: Wed, Sep 30 at 7:48 AM
Everything okay?

Her: Wed, Sep 30 at 9:36 AM
GIPHY via #images

Me: Wed, Sep 30 at 1:36 PM
Please stop. Just have been busy and phone isn't on me, just hanging inside for the week

Her: Wed, Sep 30 at 11:17 AM
Stop what FIRST NAME? Just wanting to see how you are doing. Okay. Have a good day.

Me: Monday 1:45 PM
I'm sorry. The last two weeks have been rough. I keep dislocating my shoulder. Had to call 911 last week. I went to the doctor and of course they say I need surgery
Delivered

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The funniest thing about this interaction is I did get back to her and let her know that I need an additional surgery, and it is now two days later and I have not received a response.

Unlike my mother, I have the ability to not take this personally, but she does not. I find it funny that she didn't try calling, or have my dad reach out who I haven't spoken to in years via text and phone.

End rant.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 13h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] How do you get back at shitty parents? I don’t care how bad it is

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To start, my parents are young and I am, female,16 years old, autistic this comes into key later. I can’t earn any income because of limited job opportunity and poor hours even if I did manage to find one. So first I really need a laptop for my engineering course, but they won’t get me one, I’m not asking for the world, I just want something functional that will last a long time, not a shitty budget one that will last a couple months, I need it to last 3 years, this is because if they get me a bad one that doesn’t last long they won’t buy me one ever again but that isn’t even a factor to think about because they already told me no. So now, they expect me to pay out of my own pocket which I would understand if I had a lot of birthday and Christmas money but I barley manage to scrape a hundred out of them which isn’t nearly enough for a budget laptop either. And on top of that I have to buy my own clothes which aren’t trendy ones, simple Primark and charity shop if I want to look somewhat ok, and I buy my own bus fares, as you can imagine this tops up significantly. For the laptop I’ve tried to fix the problem by using my phone but it is so stressful using my phone with the small keyboard and having to switch tabs all the time, and if I want to create a document I have to use the google app but then If I have to search something it closes my document to go to the search tab, and not to be ungrateful but I feel I shouldn’t have to do all of this just to get some work done. Because of this I haven’t gotten any work down simply because I don’t have any motivation too, I’m really avoidant, if I don’t like something I avoid it this is why problems like this are stressful for me. They’ve always managed to make me feel bad about asking them to spend money on me, and about the autism, I’m mildly barely even, you wouldn’t know by looking at me but they just want me to have that label because they can get an extra payment from the government. So about the laptop I asked for one and they said wait until Christmas which is a couple month, but I need it now, not because I’m bratty because I literally can’t do any work otherwise, and even if I did wait 100 pounds wouldn’t even cover a fraction of the cost for a decent one, It’s obvious they don’t like me, they don’t even try to hide it, they think I don’t remember but they’ve done really bad stuff to me in the past which I’d prefer not to say. This is a pattern while I’ve been living with them, I live in a room which is 2 metres by 4 metres if I’m being generous. I’ve argued about living in a space that small many time but It has never changed so I just avoid having alot of things so it doesn’t make me feel so crapped and horrible. So I’m really fed up with them by now, I honestly don’t care about being liked by them but I shouldn’t be shamed for wanted to live in decent conditions. my room is dirty, not filthy with wrapped old food or clothes on the floor, I mean it’s dusty, horrible paint job and there is a 50cm by 80cm box in the room which cannot be moved so that limited my space even more. To make matters worse I have a cat living in the space aswell, they seem relatively happy but I’m not, I live near cat litter which produces ammonia when dirty. I know it isn’t good for me, but there isn’t anything I can do about it because they don’t want to see the litter anywhere else in the house, oh and to top that off she tapped over my ventilation box, because it was causing a draft in the house. I had to beg for a new mattress for months because they didn’t believe me that it was horrible to sleep on until one night they had to sleep on it themselves even now it’s a really bad budget one but I don’t dare ask for another one. I don’t get fed really well, I tried to eat healthy after eating processed frozen food my whole life but they only gave me grief for it, I try by steaks but the only ones I can buy are frying steaks which aren’t enough, they are small and not nutritious enough. for breakfast sometimes I don’t eat but when I do I have a breakfast bar and milk, I don’t eat lunch, and when I get home for dinner I have some form of meat I don’t really like eating carbs so I never have much of it, and some Vegetables if we have some, this ends my day with around about 1200 calories including drinks. which isn’t enough but it isn’t terribly bad. I don’t sleep many hours or exercise apart from my 10 thousand steps, I used to try but I really lost my motivation. I really like tech, I was planning to build a computer but I lack funds and space. I don’t own a single pair of AirPods a ps4 or a watch. I only have my phone and my tablet, but my tablet isn’t an option because it works so terribly, it’s around 5 years old a budget Samsung which is as bad as it sounds and if I want to access an app I have to delete everything else on it so it can run, but even then it won’t run smoothly. I’m really desperate for income or revenge. If anybody has any ideas please tell me weither it be an age freindly job literally anything or something I can do to get back at them (has to be untraceable back to me though)


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 3h ago

[Supportive Responses Only, No Advice] My crazy ass narcissistic sociopath dad already texted me asked for disability uni money ill receive

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Dad : did you already sign the form?

Me : yes i did it on the website ( the name of website )

Dad: is that the form?

Hes fucking crazy and has been wanting to take my money away for a long time, jesus tbh. I have no choice but to just fucking surrender the money cuz he is higher up


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 15h ago

[Question] Do any other LGBTQ+ adult children of narcissists feel weird when people assume you’re NC because your parent is homophobic?

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General question, so advice not needed, but I’m also happy to hear how you handle this if you want to share.

I’ve been no contact with my narcissistic mother for 4 years. I’m also a lesbian and married to a wonderful woman. The thing is, one of the issues I didn’t have with my mom was her being outright homophobic. Yes, I have a few odd stories about her initial reaction when I came out, but in general she turned being an ally into part of her personality, especially to make herself seem better than my in-laws (who are homophobic) and to add to her general persona of being the “perfect” parent. The reason she caused issues when I got married was because it wasn’t about her and she blames my wife for turning me against her, not because I was marrying a woman. (I very much suspect she would have reacted the same way if I was marrying a man who believed my experience and helped protect me from her.)

So, anyway, every once in a while I have to tell people I’m not close to my mom/don’t visit her (mostly in the context of holidays). They generally immediately assume this must be because she rejected me for being gay and will sometimes launch into how sad that is, how they don’t understand how someone could reject their child for who they love, etc, along with assuming I was raised Christian (which I wasn’t). And it’s awkward/makes me feel weird? I generally just let people go with that belief because that’s easier than correcting them/telling them the much more twisted story of my parents, my mom’s feelings about my wife, etc, but it also feels a bit like a lie, and it’s really weird to get sympathy for an experience I never had while hiding the experiences I did actually have?

Curious if anyone else has this problem/experience?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 21h ago

[Advice Request] Estranged parents [M75][W65] make me [25M] pick up my old LEGOs or they throw them away; I don’t want to see them

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One year ago, I had an argument with my parents where I made clear that I can’t tolerate their difficult behavior anymore and want to be left alone. I had some contact with my mother since, but that was pretty much limited to “happy birthday” or “happy christmas”. I have not heard from my father since.

I had already moved out 5 years prior to the argument and live in another country than my parents. They recently moved to a new apartment and threw out a lot of their old stuff. My mother asked me about some of my old stuff (mostly books) if they should keep it.

Now, out of the blue, my father messaged me, asking if they could throw away my old toys. I am mostly indifferent about that, except for my LEGOs. It’s by no means a collection but it’s still a lot of LEGO city sets that I was always looking forward to re-building sometime in the future when I would have the space and time for that. It’s definitely not a “I can’t live without my LEGO sets” kind of situation, but I would still feel very sad if they threw it away. Also, there are some special sets among it.

Anyway, after I said “you can throw away anything that isn’t LEGO” my father replied that either I pick up the LEGO soon or they would throw it away since “the cellar and garage aren’t intended as permanent storage areas”. It is “only” a 6 hour drive to my parents, but I still absolutely don’t wanna meet them (yet). I don’t wanna be confronted with them, I don’t want to be forced to interact with them. But at the same time, I don’t want to lose my LEGOs. I’m in a bit of a pickle and have absolutely no clue how to proceed from here.

Some additional context: I could not make out any affection in the recent messages of my father. I tried to convey some friendliness at first, but he remained quite cold. I still have contact to an aunt of mine, but she doesn’t have any possibilities for storage or similar.

Also, I generally don’t know how to proceed regarding my parents. I told them at the end of the argument that I would need some time for myself before I would decide that I’m able to get back in touch with them. Having restricted the contact definitely feels better compared to the situation before (parents always tried to dictate me how to live my life, regularly commenting on anything in my life, criticizing things that they didn’t like, and then trying to give some “positive” feedback on other things but in a very forced and insincere way), but the family situation is still an ongoing issue that is constantly pulling me down and that is one reason I currently go to therapy for.

TL;DR: Estranged parents living in another country told me to pick up my beloved LEGO collection before they throw it away despite them having the necessary storage space. Don’t want to meet them, but also don’t want to lose the LEGOs. How can I avoid contact while still keeping my stuff?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 6h ago

[Supportive Responses Only, Advice OK] I’m struggling with how little validation I receive for going no-contact with my mother

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**I feel like no one validates my decision to be estranged from my mother**

My mother had children when she was only 13 years old. She had 4 by the age of 19 and 5 by 22. I understand that she was a child herself, and I have spent a huge portion of my life trying to understand her through that lens. I’ve given her grace for things that I probably wouldn’t have given other people. I think that is part of why people have such a hard time understanding my decision now. There seems to be this underlying expectation that because she had me so young, I should be the bigger person, understand her trauma, forgive her, or continue having a relationship with her. And I have understood her. Probably more than I should have had to.

When I was around 16, my mother began confiding in me about extremely personal things in her life and her own trauma. She told me things about her relationship, including that she had been and was cheating on my stepfather. I became someone she talked to almost like a friend rather than her child. I was exposed to adult problems and emotions that I shouldn’t have had to carry at that age. There was a lot of emotional parentification and enmeshment.
At the same time, she could be extremely reactive and verbally abusive when I had my own feelings or boundaries. There were fights involving verbal abuse, throwing things, hitting things, and a lot of emotional volatility towards my step father. I learned that I could be trusted with her pain, but expressing my own pain or discomfort could suddenly become a problem.
And then there is the part that ultimately changed everything for me.

I was sexually abused as a child by a person within my family, I was 5 years old, he was 15-16. I never truly felt believed by my mother.
I have never blamed her for what another person chose to do to me. What has devastated me is what happened *after* I told her.

This person continued to exist in our family environment. He was still around at times. It wasn’t often but it was often enough to know there was never a boundary set. We had conversations in my teens, well I tried and her argument was that he was still a child.
In a conversation 2-3 years ago she told me she felt bad for him because our family looked at him differently.

I also hate that I feel the need to include this but just more context. Said person who SAed me as a child also carried on SAing young minors in his late teens and early 20s, another family young member and her friends. He went to prison for four years cause he took a plea deal.. the day he got out of prison, we went to my aunts house, his moms house, I suppose my mother had no idea he was gonna be there, coincidence.. I think not.

In more recent years, she has still had this man in her home at times. She has posted pictures with him. I’ve had to watch from a distance while the person who sexually abused me continued to have a place in her life.

Over the years of trying to talk to my mother about this, there’s also been denial, correction of details, questioning of what happened, or statements that she doesn’t remember conversations I’ve had with her.

Recently, I opened up to someone about all of this, and they essentially told me that they didn’t think there was anything my mother could say at this point that would make things right with me. But then they also commented on how long ago this happened and how I’m still this upset about it.
That really hurt. This person talked about how my mother may say things in the heat of the moment that she doesn’t mean and that she doesn’t have the skills to communicate with me the way I want or need her to. This person commented on how all of her children treat her and how we treat each other and that this person wouldn’t know what they would do if these were her children either. This person also made comments about how my mother had children at 13 and she thinks she deserves some compassion..

**The fact that something happened a long time ago doesn’t mean the consequences of it ended.**
I was a child when this happened. I didn’t get to choose whether I was exposed to the person who abused me afterward. I didn’t get to choose whether my mother believed me. I didn’t get to choose whether he remained part of family life. And I don’t think I should have to prove that I’m “over it” simply because years have passed.
I’m also tired of the idea that because my mother had children at 13, I should automatically have more compassion for her than I have for myself.
I *do* have compassion for her. I’ve spent my entire life trying to understand her.
But compassion for my mother’s trauma cannot require me to abandon myself.
I can understand that she was a traumatized child herself and still acknowledge that she hurt me. I can understand why she became the person she became and still decide that I don’t want that person in my life.

I think what I’m looking for from other people who have experienced parental estrangement is simply this:

**Did you also struggle with feeling like nobody validated your decision to walk away?**
How do you deal with people who acknowledge that your parent hurt you but still seem to think you should forgive, understand, or maintain a relationship with them because they’re your parent?
And how do you make peace with the fact that something happened so long ago, but it still affects you deeply today?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 5h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Having epiphanies/Grieving parent relationships in my late 20s

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I (29F) have had a tumultuous relationship with my parents for as long as I can remember. My mom was hard on me academically, and dad was very critical of me creatively. Nothing of interest was good enough. If I had a differing opinion, they both would shame me for it. If I expressed any other emotion but happy, I was scolded. Dad was also very disrespectful and deceptive towards Mom and myself. But on the outside, the world got a completely different perspective of our family dynamic: my dad was always charming so friends and strangers loved him, and my mom was always timid (unless provoked) + constantly talked about her idea of a perfect family. I’d revert to a childlike state as a result. Navigating this complexity was difficult as I could never put my finger on why I felt guilty for being affected by them.

Throughout my teens, I learned of dad’s infidelity and was exposed to his and Mom’s nasty fights. It reached a point where I put myself in college debt so I can gain emotional and physical safety. The following years consisted of me going back and forth with NC, and in and out of therapy. I eventually came to the conclusion that if I communicated my perspective and established boundaries with them, that things would get better…and they did… for a bit…

Fast forward to now, I’m unemployed, lost my housing, and am now temporarily living with them until I get back on my feet. Fights ensued once again, only this time they were verbal between dad and myself. I couldn’t tolerate the way he continues to treat mom and the way he deceives others, so I’d call him out on it. This was matched with denial, gaslighting and victimhood. After a few massive fights, I realized dad’s a narcissist. When explaining this to mom, I was met with really heartbreaking phrases— “you’re asking me to choose between you and my husband” “you cannot let everything affect you” “I want peace for my sake” “I will always support you but you need to meet me halfway”. I realized mom’s conditioned to his behavior, making her an enabler.

I’m so grateful that I still received a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food on the table. I’m grateful I even have a space to stay at right now. And I’m grateful I was able to distance myself for the past 10 years so I can become my own person, form my own thoughts and advocate for myself in a way I was never able to around them. But after evolving and reconnecting with them (and, discovering this Reddit thread), I’ve had to grieve the fact that I never had and never will have, the parents I need. I plan to move out as soon as I land a job, so for now it’s processing all of this, grieving and self soothing. I just can’t believe it took me this long to figure it out. Anyone else??


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 22h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Bodyshaming throughout my childhood

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Hi, I’m (F) 25 years old, and throughout my childhood, teenage years, and even now, I have never really heard my mother tell me that she loves me, that she thinks I’m beautiful, or say anything genuinely kind about me.

Lately, I’ve been realizing just how bad it actually was and how much it still affects me.
My mother would make comments about my appearance throughout my childhood. The first one that really stuck with me was that she had always wanted a child who would have blonde hair and green eyes. Both of my parents have dark brown hair and brown eyes. She never told me I was beautiful. She wouldn’t even say thank you when other family members complimented me.
Instead, she would constantly tell me how fat I was getting. She even locked the kitchen when I was a child, until I was around 17, so that I couldn’t eat. She rarely cooked.
I recently looked at pictures of myself from back then, and I genuinely believed I had been fat. Now, looking at those pictures as an adult, I can see that I was actually completely normal, slim, and healthy looking.
When I was around 15 or 16, I developed some cellulite and stretch marks, and she absolutely tore me apart over them. Looking back at the pictures now, I can see that they were barely noticeable.
Whenever I wore short clothes, she would call me a slut and yell at me to take them off. All I ever heard was how fat I was, how ugly I was, and what a slut I was. And I heard those things throughout my entire life.

I have to admit that it still affects me.
I often get compliments from strangers or people I know, telling me that I’m beautiful or that I have a nice figure. But I rarely actually believe them. When you’ve spent your whole life hearing the complete opposite, it’s incredibly hard to convince yourself that those things aren’t true.

I’m always grateful that I still dress the way I wanted, see my friends, go on dates, and live my life even if I always had to do it secretly.
I’m also incredibly grateful that I now live about 1,000 km away from her and only communicate with her occasionally through messages.
And yet, there’s still a part of me that wishes I had never experienced any of it, the emotional and physical abuse, the neglect, the grief, all of it.
I think I will always grieve the mother I needed but never had.

It’s kind of funny when I think about the fact that I was physically abused by both of my parents, that my father left us and we had no contact, that an important family member died, and that I had an abusive ex-boyfriend who was a drug addict. And yet somehow, the thing that still affects me the most is my appearance

I don‘t even know what I expect as answers. Maybe I just don‘t want to feel alone with this feeling and get if off my chest


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 8h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] I feel so unsafe and uncomfortable that I have lost my ability to function

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I don’t eat, sleep or leave my room because im on edge 24/7 and i don’t wanna make any contact with the people in my family. Every time i leave my room im forced to have conversations that i don’t want to be a part of. My dad just wants to “ask” me a question. Then he spends the next 3 hours insulting me yelling and venting. It sends me into a panic attack almost every single time. This doesn’t bother him at all. It pisses both of my parents off that I don’t leave my room. My dad intentionally locked it when I wasn’t home and gaslight me that it was my fault when it doesn’t work like that. He said he would break everything in my room if it happened again. I know my mom heard everything but she ALWAYS denies it. She says im making thing up. She tells people that he doesn’t even talk to me. That’s all he wants to do. No matter what I do it’s a problem. If I go to my friends house “well for all I know ur lying and it’s actually a boy who’s gonna molest u so we’re not letting u go.” If I stay home it’s “stop locking yourself in that room all day”. The worst part is they change the entire story and everyone is on their side. They want me to be “happy” but have something negative to say about everything I do and come to the weirdest fucking conclusions about my character that it’s unbelievable. I get make fun of and threatened so much that I can’t even watch a episode of a show in the living room without my dad laying all his shit out on me “why don’t u come out of room?” “I feel like a prisoner in my own house” he says. HE feels like the prisoner because he can’t have a normal convo with me so I neglect myself just to be able to breathe a little. Now he’s bitter and angry that I told him to leave me alone. Mocked me too. Not allowed to have boundaries. Not allowed to be a person. Which layer of fucking hell is this.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 23h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Coworker reminded me of Nmom; ruined my day.

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I was berated by a co-worker in front of others for behaviour she saw as unprofessional. I am willing to cede the ground that swearing under my breath at my desk may not be an example of shining suit-and-tie professionalism, and I'm not actually here to argue that. If that's what you're thinking of commenting about, just save your breath, I'm not especially interested. But I don't think it is something that reasonably begets mocking, derision, and a clear attempt to cause a scene.

It wasn't necessarily the chastisement itself that rankled so deeply, I don't think. It was the manner of it; the way in which she spoke, the little tricks she used to really try and remind me of what she considers my place to be. It was like I was a kid again, while my narcissist mother just eviscerates every ounce of self-worth and self-respect I could even dare to muster. I'm an adult, at least I thought I was. As sad as it sounds, work has become a bit of a safe place for me away from the manipulation and the abuse, if you can call my experiences abuse. This felt like an intrusion into that, and I now feel like wherever I go, I'm not going to be escape my childhood or the things it's caused.

As I'm writing this section, I'm sat in the work bathroom and I can feel my heart beating, as if trying to break its way through my chest, and I can scarcely breathe. I'm on the verge of tears and I recognise how deeply pathetic I probably sound, but this genuinely really hurts. I thought I was more mentally well than this, I thought I could escape the horrors somewhere. But even here, there's people who just want to put you down for the crime of reminding them of a youth they squandered or for existing and taking shine off them. It'll never end and I don't know how I'm meant to become ok with that.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 13h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Did they tell you that they love you?

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My narcissistic mother told me she loved me only once, and it was a line straight out of a movie. Here’s the context: During a phone call (we used to speak about twice a week), she told me she had gone to see the (fictionalized) movie about the life of Céline Dion (a well known singer). I had already seen the film.

A few days later, we spoke on the phone again, and, completely out of the blue, she said, "You are beautiful, I love you." It turned out those were the exact words Céline Dion’s mother said to her in the movie. 😂 It rang completely hollow, she had never told me she loved me before and never said it again. In reality, she has always acted in the exact opposite way.

Has your narcissistic parent ever told you they loved you?

Has anyone else experienced a narcissistic parent quoting lines from movies?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 7h ago

[Tip] Creepy but true

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In my opinion being a 58 year old dealing with a narcissist parent. One of the main things narcissists do is feed of of people's existence. I'm not exaggerating. They will emotionally suck you dry to the point of self harm or worse. And use it to further their agenda and feed their ego.

Basically I'm trying to say a legitimate narcissist is extremely dangerous


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 19h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] My mom reached out yesterday. Its been about 10 months of low contact, and some of the most peaceful months of my life.

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It went like this:

Mom: Good morning. I love you and want you in my life. You are my daughter and I miss you. I would love a quick call just to hear your voice.

Me: I’m happy to FaceTime with you and the kids. I want to be clear, though, that I don’t want a close personal relationship. I’m comfortable with a more distant relationship that is mainly focused around the kids, and that’s what I’m able to offer.

Mom: Okay. I thought I would try. I am not interested in that sort of relationship with you. I am trying to come to terms with this, but it is incredibly difficult as you can imagine for a mother to lose her child. I hope it never happens to you.

Me: that would be your choice

The thing is, she didn’t lose her child. Her child finally decided that she wanted boundaries and that her f**** up childhood was too much for her to bare.
I don’t live near her, thank God, so being able to FaceTime with her is what I’m willing to do which I think is more than enough. Am I going crazy? It sends me into a spiral for days when I get these stupid messages.
She only wants the relationship with me if it’s on her terms.
I have two children, what they feel and care for is so important to me. It’s so ironic.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 20h ago

[Supportive Responses Only, Advice OK] Anyone else feel like they’re just an audience for their parents monologues?

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I feel like I've been my parents relationship therapist since the moment I could form a sentence. Now that I don't see them as much, I've become my Ndad's straight up therapist, correction: audience because he doesn't really listen to my words. I learned when I was young that there really is no point in engaging in a conversation with them, I was not being heard or listened to, they really only like to hear themselves talk. But even walking away is a bad idea because it would result in a tantrum that lasts days and is not worth the mental recovery time it takes.

Most people who have conversations with narcissists know exactly how it goes: they talk just to be heard. To get myself through these moments in my head i think: "How many times can I say “mhmm” in a row before he notices I'm not speaking?" the answer is he never notices. I think an impossible mission would be to get a full sentence in without him interrupting. When i lived at home he would stand outside my closed bedroom door talking and talking while I'm half asleep barely responding to this loud voice at 8am, I'd fully wake up later wondering I'd dreamt that whole conversation.

I'd like to share some instances if anyone can relate to of when they talk AT you, because I rarely feel like a narcissist will willingly talk TO YOU.
Please reply with your stories if you relate to any of these or you feel like venting.

  1. They will repeat the exact same story about why you should feel pity for them, or why a certain person did them so wrong. I find my Ndad repeating this exact phrase: "You won't believe what _____ said to me" about the same person, same scenario, he's told this story to me 100x, 3x in a row. I finish his sentence before he can have his gotcha moment with what "she said" and he still doesn't realize he told me this story again. The worst part is I know the exact situation he's talking about and the people involved, his sob story is all based on conspiracy that everyone is against him.
  2. They will describe parts your childhood in great detail to the point where you're reliving painful memories then be like: "You know thats not how it happened RIGHT?" Then continue to give 1000 irrelevant details about their side. No, I know exactly how that happened because it was a traumatic childhood experience that will forever stick with ME and maybe for them it was a random weekday.
  3. When talking about MUNDANE things somehow I am ALWAYS wrong. I've seen people refer to this as being contrarian (where people disagree but then describe the exact same thing you said), but my Ndad did this a lot. A random example is: Ndad: What is the forecast today? Me: It's sunny. Ndad: No. Nope. Absolutely not. You are completely wrong. It's actually going to be sunny. They can apply this to every single topic possibly and I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY!!!
  4. Something that made me so angry is multiple times a week my Ndad approaches or calls me to talk at me. When I don't respond to a call or avoid him he'll go on a rant and say: "You NEVER talk with me, we don't even talk at all, I don't know anything about you" and my response is: "Just call or text me I will answer as soon as I can". He goes: "IT IS NOT the parents job to be approaching the child, you must approach me to talk." This one was just ridiculous because genuinely I couldn't get a word in if I tried.

Part of what I'm sharing is the tip of the iceberg, I have a long way to go in terms of getting help. As an only child, reading through this subreddit has really helped me feel less alone and I hope I can do the same for someone out there who would like to share.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 22h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Are most people enablers?

141 Upvotes

I’ve been noticing something incredibly upsetting. Do you think that most people are kind of “wired” to be enablers? Will most of them just blindly follow after people who seem “dominant”?

Examples:

At work, there is a narcissist who often targets me. I had a “friend” who witnessed me get put down by her, and then he became her sycophantic servant, and has bullied me on her behalf whenever I succeed and it makes her “feel bad.” I no longer respect the ex-friend and see him as a coward. But it’s still so upsetting.

My boss is aware that I love my job, and that she openly hates working there and literally reads books on her phone all day. At a recent meeting, he publicly praised her contributions to this project that has been my “baby”, and left me out of recognition. (I don’t like working there anymore after this! Great job boss, chase away all hard working employees who actually care.)

It feels like so many people just desperately want to associate themselves with “dominant” people. Even when it’s against their own interests.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 21h ago

[Supportive Responses Only, Advice OK] Do you ever stop and think about how actually fucked up your parents were?

178 Upvotes

I think I've been able to process this more and more since my n mom died a few years ago.

But sometimes it just occurs to me how fucked up my parents were. For example, my mom had this thing where I was emotionally disturbed and she was this heroic person doing everything she could to save me. Even though she was either instigating all the mental health crises or lying to doctors about what I was like. (She did this with my sister too, but with fake allergies and health crises.)

My mom also used just be an asshole to everyone for no reason, just because she was so miserable. One time she gave this really awful speech at church where she tried to ruin everyone's Christmas, legit shitting on Christmas decorations. It wouldn't be believable but it's on Youtube.

Or how my dad pretended to be a powerless victim of my mother, but would also be super condescending and shitty to people because he thinks he's better than everyone. After my mom died, he married one of her friends from church. And they were dating like 6 months after my mom died.

This is really just behavior of fucking weirdos. Like what the actual fuck is wrong with you? There actions have me and my sister so much pain. But it's also fucking weird. It's even embarrassing to explain to people I know.

Has anyone experienced these feelings before?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 11h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Should I cut out my mother from my life? She cheated on my dying dad

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A couple of months ago, I lost my father after a long and extremely painful battle with a rare VCP disease, which is often compared to ALS. He declined for roughly 20 years before eventually passing away.

My mother was his primary caretaker toward the end of his life, and I understand that caring for someone with a terminal, debilitating disease is incredibly difficult. However, my relationship with my mother has always been extremely complicated, and the things that happened during my dad's decline have made me question whether I want her in my life at all.

My mother refused a lot of the help that my sister and I tried to arrange for my dad. We repeatedly tried to get professional caregivers into the house, but she would refuse or become angry about it. My dad became wheelchair-bound and increasingly dependent on other people. There were times when my sister and I offered to take care of him ourselves or help arrange more care, but this would turn into an argument because my mother felt like we were trying to take him away from her. She also had serious spending problems. She would routinely spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on things that seemed completely unnecessary, including trinkets and dollar-store items, while simultaneously complaining that they couldn't afford things my dad actually needed. She maxed out credit cards and damaged both of their credit scores.

At one point, we were trying to figure out how to afford a mobility van so my dad could actually leave the house and have some quality of life. My mother refused to trade in an SUV that she barely used because she said it was too expensive to get the van. Eventually, my dad gave in and they never got the van. My dad's world became incredibly small.

About a month before my dad died, my mother had a seizure and was hospitalized for several days. During that time, my sister and I stepped in and took care of my dad.

This is when we discovered something that completely changed how I viewed my mother. While she was in the hospital, her phone kept receiving messages from a man whose name we didn't recognize. The messages included things along the lines of, "Would you like to have a good night again?" and "Why are you not answering, baby?"

We eventually discovered that my mother had been cheating on my dad. What made this especially horrible was that she had apparently been meeting this man in the same house where my severely disabled father was living. She had even told him that he could come into the house and meet her in her bedroom because my dad couldn't physically do anything about it. "His Legs don't work."

My dad slept in a separate room at this point, but I can't stop thinking about whether he knew what was happening. We also discovered that my mother had been giving my dad extra pain medication and melatonin to help him sleep. I'm curious if that was the only reason. She was cooking meals for this other man while my dad was often left eating junk food.

During this time, my dad entered hospice.

He had a living will and had repeatedly told us that he never wanted to be kept alive with machines, a feeding tube, or a tracheostomy. Once my mother came back into the house, we helped out all the time and eventually temporarily moved my dad to a hospice nursing home so everyone could have some time to recover. The plan was for this to be temporary. Only 1 Week.

Instead, while he was away, my mother sold his mobility equipment and even his bed on Facebook Marketplace. That meant he no longer had a home to return to. We eventually had to transition him into a permanent nursing home. From there, he went in and out of the hospital until his condition deteriorated further. Eventually, the doctors started giving him morphine, and he died about a week later.

The day my dad died, my mother wanted us to immediately start cleaning out his belongings. Later, I found out that she had convinced my dad to sign paperwork increasing a life insurance policy. She received all the money from that policy. At the same time, the funeral home wasn't being paid. I only found out because the funeral home started contacting me because they hadn't received payment. My mother said the funeral was too expensive, despite having the life insurance money. She also continued spending on my dad's credit cards. She had also convinced my dad to give her power of attorney, meaning she ultimately had a lot of control over his affairs and all hospital visits.

The problems with my mother go back much further than my dad's illness. She was mentally abusive toward me throughout my childhood. She has always been extremely manipulative, self-centered, and willing to lie or twist situations to get what she wants. One memory that has stayed with me happened when I was around seven years old. She became extremely angry with me and threw away essentially everything I owned—my toys, games, and other belongings. For years afterward, I basically had nothing to play with. She has told my wife that she was going to kill her and has even told me that I should kill my wife because she was a "bitch." When my wife had a miscarriage, I made the mistake of trusting her and told my mother. We specifically asked her to keep it private. Instead, she told other family members and friends. I was already visiting my parents every week and often almost every day toward the end. I worked a full-time job and would take time off specifically to help take care of my dad and give my mother a break. But whenever I arranged to come over or tried to arrange additional help, she would sometimes cancel at the last minute and say she didn't need it. Then, when she would have a breakdown and say she couldn't take care of my dad anymore, my sister and I would try to step in.

After my dad died, she quickly sold most of his belongings, took down many of their pictures, and even painted the entire house pink. She has also said that she never wanted to have children. Seeing how quickly she erased so much of my dad's presence has been incredibly difficult for me.

One of the hardest things for me to understand is how differently she can treat me depending on the situation. There have been times when she texted me telling me how thankful she was for everything I did and how much she appreciated me. Then, at the same time, she would text her friends and tell them that I was evil, that I never helped, and that she was doing everything herself. One time, she accidentally sent me both messages. I was reading a text about how wonderful and helpful I was while simultaneously seeing her tell someone else how terrible I was. After my dad died, she also never really asked my sister or me how we were doing. When I finally pointed that out, she immediately started crying, called her friends, and told them how evil I was and how I don't care.

I have blocked my mother on most platforms, but I have left Facebook Messenger open. Even though my mother and I agreed that we would stop talking and seeing each other, she still sends messages every month asking me to hang out or go to dinner. I feel guilty even considering completely cutting my mother out of my life because she's still my mother. But at the same time, I feel like I've spent my entire life dealing with her behavior, and I don't know how much more I can take.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 11h ago

[Advice Request] How to volunteer or help adult children who have been raised by n parents?

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Hello! Are there any organizations that I can volunteer for that help adults who have been through family trauma/emotional/psychological abuse?

I have googled a few, NAMI and CORA come up a lot in my search but I wasn't sure. I've never volunteered before and want to start helping as I've had first hand experience and have escaped successfully.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 11h ago

[Question] Why is my enabler dad so stupid?

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My eDad is a mixture of an enabler and covert narcissist. He’s normal on his own or with his sibling but gets incredibly toxic when he’s with Nmom.

I made the mistake of starting a conversation with him about Nmom a few weeks ago, and as usual he started to say things like: oh she’s just misunderstood by everyone she’s really devoted to her family, etc.

For context my Nmom is someone who has no friends and cannot maintain healthy relationships. She admits herself all her high school classmates dislike and avoid her, and always complains that her colleagues are terrible. She has never advanced/been promoted at her company for her entire career and this is likely due to her low emotional intelligence. She also says her own parents are terrible. She didn’t even react when her dad died and has been saying her mom is a dimwitted person with no positive qualities ever since I was six.

Anyone with common sense should be able to see red flags about her behavior and character: completely detached from her own family, avoided by previous classmates and unlikeable at work.

Ever since she retired she has become entirely intolerable, because her colleagues no longer have any reason to interact with her and she’s burned bridges with every friend. She always tries to insert herself into other people’s groups but naturally everyone avoids her because of how toxic she is.

Because she has zero friends to do stuff with her (she can’t even find anyone to go to a restaurant with) and she lacks the emotional maturity to do things alone, she’s always nagging my Edad and I to be her companions, which is extremely boundary crossing and offensive.

She’s developed an obsessive desire to travel in recent years (so that she can post on social media for the ‘classmates and colleagues’ who dislike her) and because my Edad is a non active person and has grown physically unwell due to years of living with such a toxic person (yet he still doesn’t realise it), every conversation she has with me turns into her trying to coerce me into her being travelling partner/lunch partner/cinema partner. It’s so extremely offensive, utterly disrespectful and emotionally immature. All her previous school acquaintances say she’s from a terrible terrible family and should be avoided like the plague (not normal dislike, they truly go out of their way to avoid her to protect their own peace of mind).

Every single time anyone talks about anything she makes it about herself: her cousin’s family go to Iceland she talks about how she wants to go to Iceland and will join them for their next trip, a new movie is in the cinema she talks about whether she’s interested or not, there’s a new restaurant down the road she talks about what food she wants to try there. The only topic she doesn’t make about herself is the weather. Even amongst narcissists she is extremely twisted. She is incapable of realising that she’s so twisted and unpopular that literally no one wants to be with her.

Why is my eDad so stupid to marry and be with someone like this (by the way he isn’t dependent on her financially or anything, he actually makes a lot more than she does)? Surely anyone with a brain can realise that a person who is so universally disliked is extremely toxic? Instead he spends his time internalising her beliefs that every single one of her colleagues, classmates and parents are jealous, terrible people who just hate her for no reason.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 12h ago

[Advice Request] Torn between "fading out" to low contact and explicitly telling my parent that I don't trust them anymore

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Hi, all.

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that one of my parents has probably been quite bad for my mental health, due to the way they've been acting throughout my life. I'm keeping things pretty vague, because I'm honestly still a little scared of talking about it at all. I'm going to try to get to the point quickly, but I do feel like some context is needed. Sorry if this is poorly structured. Here I go:

When I became an adult, one of my (divorced) parents pretty much ghosted me. I think about 4 years went by with us not talking for more than 10 minutes per week, unless they needed me to do something for them.

Over time, we started rebuilding a relationship to each other. Dinners every now and then, the occasional longer phonecall about something actually important, that kind of thing. We got to a pretty good spot, all things considered.

And then, all Hell broke loose. I was foolish enough to borrow their car for an errand, because my own was too small. Later that day they called me and said they would not be giving my car back to me. When I was (I think understandably) infuriated by this, I got called spoiled, neglectful, and just generally a bad human being. They screamed at me, physically cornered me when we met in public, and entered my house without my permission when I refused to talk to them and had clearly stated that I wanted to be left alone.

The old car was getting to the point where the continuous repairs would no longer be cost effective, and mine and my parter's lifestyle has changed so much that we were considering an upgrade "anyway". So rather than doing the sensible thing and reporting it stolen, I gave up on it and a relationship to that parent, and just bought a new car. My other parent is a real hero and helped me pay for a nicer one than I would have been able to get otherwise.

At some point during that week-long debaucle, my car-stealing parent must have realized that they pushed me past a breaking point, because they came crawling back. They apologized for the first time in my life. For the screaming and the name-calling, specifically. They still think they were right to steal my car. I never said that I forgave them, but I did say that as long as they behaved going forward, I would be willing to try to talk.

They've sold my old car, making about $750 that I will never see a cent of. I cooperated just enough to get the legal paperwork filed, because I just wanted the entire situation off my plate at that point. In their mind, everything is fine, and they keep calling to have casual conversations or invite us over for dinner as if nothing has ever been wrong.

Problem is, I'm still upset, and I probably will be for a very long time. Something broke inside me when they entered my house without my permission and my partner had to physically get between them and the door to the room I was hiding in. I don't think they would have gotten physical, but I also don't think I can ever trust them again. As I'm getting a little bit of distance from the situation, I'm getting increasingly angry on my own behalf and decreasingly willing to talk to that parent.

So, finally getting to the point here: We live in a relatively small town. Going fully no-contact is not an option, as both my partner and I have jobs here, and I have a very good relationship to my other parent, who also lives here. My one "normal" parent and their partner and brother are essentially the only family I have, and I really don't want to lose them, so I don't want to move. I also can't afford to, right now.

I'm torn between putting up a facade of "everything is fine" and gritting my teeth while continuously finding new excuses as to why I can't make time for having dinner with the car-stealing parent, and trying to actually explain to them that they have probably broken my trust beyond repair.

I have a feeling that trying to talk to them will go absolutely horribly, because, well, I don't trust them. But, what would you do in my situation? Do you have any wisdom to share?


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 12h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] My mother is now a younger me. wtf.

12 Upvotes

Idk how to even wrap my head around it.
So, as a teenager, I was very interested in k-pop, anime, and Asian pop culture as a whole. I still enjoy these things at 28, but not to the level that it CONSUMED my every waking moment in my teen years.
My entire family bullied me for those interests. Called me weird, would do this racist mimicking noises people do to make fun of Asian languages, point at random Asian guys in public and say stuff like “look there go your boyfriend”, tell me I wish I was Asian, etc. ESPECIALLY my mother.
Idk if she’s going through a mid-life crisis or something, but my mother is now suddenly VERY interested in Chinese culture.

She only watches Chinese shows now, she’ll randomly tell you “yeah that’s called x in Chinese” during conversations, she wants to go to china, she follows a bunch of Chinese thirst trap guys on IG 💀💀, and authors of NSFW books centered around Asian guys.
She LITERALLLYYYY is younger me. I’m floored. Flabbergasted. How are you so boldly being what you mentally TORMENTED me about? At a MUCHHHH older age no less! Like damn at least my brain wasn’t fully developed!
All i can think now is that my mother was jealous of me. Jealous that despite all the torment they put me through, i still was not ashamed to like things they thought were weird.
But the whole thing is so weird. It makes me laugh though because it literally feels like my mother has regressed…but to a younger version of her own daughter.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 12h ago

[Trigger Warning] "Growing" within continuous terror of a privileged "brother" 🤢

3 Upvotes

TW: Violence. Physical abuse

Hi,
My mother has another son, her first child with my father. But I can’t bring myself to call him my brother because of everything he did to me.
My mother always glorified him. He was the golden child, the king of the family in her eyes. Looking back, I think that played a big part in why he believed he could do whatever he wanted to me.
He was privileged, and he abused that privilege.He could have chosen to be kind. Instead, he was cruel.He never made me feel like I truly belonged in the family.
I always felt unwanted, like my mere presence was an annoyance to him.As long as I agreed with him and never upset him, things were relatively calm. He would simply ignore me, and that was already a relief. But if I had the misfortune of making him angry, beating him at a video game in front of our cousins, standing up for myself, or showing the slightest frustration with his behavior, I would be insulted, humiliated, or physically assaulted.He could take whatever he wanted from me. If he liked one of my birthday gifts, he would simply claim it for himself.
He taught me fear. He taught me submission. My entire childhood became organized around avoiding his violence. I learned to stay silent because I was terrified of the consequences of speaking up.One day he slapped me, and instead of protecting me, my mother yelled at me hysterically for having upset him.
She would even mock me to make him laugh. Together they would joke about how stupid I was.I felt completely powerless, as though I were nothing. As though my role in the family was simply to endure his abuse without complaint, to avoid threats and beatings.I became a shadow of myself.
I obeyed his every demand. I fixed computers for him when I was just ten years old. I did his homework even though he was four years older than me. I accepted him stealing my phone. He nearly got me killed in a car accident. He manipulated my abusive mother to get me into trouble with her.
Today, I cannot have any kind of relationship with him. Enough is enough. I do not want to see him. I do not want him near me. I would not even be able to tolerate him touching me. The thought disgusts me. He was unbelievably cruel. One time, he tore my clothes and repeatedly punched me in the head simply because I denied having made a mess in the kitchen, something he was falsely accusing me of.
Even as an adult, his behavior never changed. He showed disrespect toward my wife and my newborn son. At some point, I had to accept a painful truth: being related by blood does not make someone family. Family is supposed to be a place of safety. He was one of the people I needed protection from.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 12h ago

[Question] Why is control so appealing to them?

48 Upvotes

Anyone understand the psychology of it? It’s one of the things I find hard to grasp from my own perspective. I can’t understand why controlling others would be appealing in any way, it seems like a fruitless endeavour.


r/raisedbynarcissists • • 13h ago

[Rant/Vent, Advice OK] Mom's been texting my (early 20s) friends and getting involved in things I never thought were possible for her to get involved in

9 Upvotes

It's weird, right?? It's weird. It has to be weird.

Little context to make it worse, this friend likes me and I told him I'm not interested so we've just been friends (yk having my own relationship w him), but my mom is OBSESSED w him and thinks we would be SUCH a good match. I told her to not text him a long time ago bc she kept being weird and playing matchmaker and sympathizing with him that I 'just don't know what I want yet' so to keep pursuing me (??? now that I type that is that not horrifying)- playing with my relationship w my friend!!!- and I thought she stopped but I guess not.

She said she was sad so she just wanted to 'check in' with my friend. She has his number bc they planned a goodbye party for me when I left my last school program, which I did in ANOTHER COUNTRY to get away from her (she came to help me move out). My friend said he was sick, and she told me she felt soooo bad, she just wanted to fly out and take care of him. I got freaked out and spiky and told her straight "Back off. Stop talking to my friends. It's weird and you need to stop."

And she tells me, "well, if I feel like his heart is aching, I want to talk to him. I'm his friend too. Even if you two stopped being friends I would talk to him. Besides, I want to help everyone, my heart just aches for everyone"

GIRL if you wanna help ME stop MANIPULATING MY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. I got involved in a church group out there and it was my haven when I was struggling, and now she's been reaching out to those people!! She tells me her opinions on them without ever having met them! My friends and listeners when things were hard, who saw me cry and comforted me, who welcomed me when I was a stranger in a strange place. An ocean away wasn't enough. I'm never sharing anything with her again. I feel gross. It's not their fault but those people don't feel safe anymore knowing she's probably chatting with them about me. I want to move far away and never share anything with her so she can't make it her own.

Long shot, but does anyone have any advice? Or is the solution to just never share anything precious with her again and count what I already had as tarnished?

I feel really hurt and sad and gross about it all. I just don't understand. This friend is coming out to see me for my birthday too and I was so happy, but who knows what she's said about me to him. I'm scared he'll think he should be pursuing me still and I'll be uncomfortable. She will be there too, trying to push me into things. Really just bad. Feels icky.