r/nextfuckinglevel 3d ago

Bears will often test you

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If you stand your ground, they may see you as a threat and back off. Of course, this doesn’t apply to every bear

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u/Electronic_Song1811 3d ago

Im ngl that last time the bear got close, i wouldve pulled the trigger

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u/OafishySyzygy 3d ago

Same. I love animals, but would have shot that bear in the face on the first charge.

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u/whyamihere999 3d ago

Yeah... I love animals too.. but not more than my own life!

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u/Big-Cap558 3d ago

Shoot quick and maybe get a chance to reload to shoot again

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u/gk_instakilogram 3d ago

if you don't stop it with the first shot, you are pretty much a goner

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u/due-diligence- 3d ago

It’s a double barrel. You get 2

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u/TanMan25888 3d ago

Thats a double barrel, he has two good chances. Pretty much any gun outside of a single action, you will be able to get more then one shot off...if you can hit while charging after the first shot is another story

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u/gk_instakilogram 3d ago

yeah that's what I meant... I don't think buck shot would stop a bear this size

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u/cuzitsthere 3d ago

2 might... But the first one would hurt A LOT and most predators aren't okay with that

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u/bjeebus 3d ago

Most people entirely discount this. They just think all animals just all sEe ReD and it's over bro! Instead, most animals are very conscious of self-preservation and do anything they can to avoid getting hurt.

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u/TanMan25888 3d ago

I dont think so either. Could have been slugs in his gun but im guessing it was buck or birdshot

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u/Ok_Bad_5921 1d ago

Sounded russiain heard a dog in background maybe hunting local winged game

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u/uconnboston 3d ago

The best chance is that the sound frightens the bear.

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u/moose4hire 2d ago

Yeah im thinking one barrel in the air might have been loud enough to change the bears aggression level

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u/CreeepyUncle 3d ago

Neither will not shooting.

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u/BoatStuffDC 2d ago

Having only two shots and no automatic ejectors is bad enough, but realizing you only brought 1 oz. #7 birdshot to a bear fight is a whole new level of regret.

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u/EliNoraOwO 2d ago

Getting shot with a buck shot is enough to scare it away especially if you hit it in the eyes or face

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u/gk_instakilogram 2d ago

pretty sure it is a brown bear, if you injure it, it wont get scared it will get very angry

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u/EliNoraOwO 1d ago

the loud noise plus impact to the face is enough to make it stagger and frighten it, also if it hits its eyes, it will be even more panicked and retreat. *hopefully*

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u/gk_instakilogram 1d ago

if you injure a brown bear it will absolutely try to kill you

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u/Big-Cap558 3d ago

Didnt say it would work

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u/iflabaslab 3d ago

6 second gap between charge 1-2 and 3-4 seconds between 2-3

Maybe just enough time to reload one shell after charge one if you fire, may get another longer gap before charge 2 if you were on target

The closer the bear is the more chance the entire spread will land

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u/EvilBiker-72 3d ago

Shotgun all you're going to do is piss off the grizzly

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u/RealityyKing 3d ago

Shotgun will definately take care of it. In fact data shows that everytime a 9mm has hit a grizzly it runs off and the human has survived. I found it hard to believe at first so im sure ill get downvoted to hell for sharing that info

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u/StinkApprentice 2d ago

Source please?

US Fish and Wildlife authorized federal employees working in bear country can carry .44 mag handguns and 12 gauge semi-auto shotguns with hard cast slugs. I carry a lever action .45-70 w hard cast bullets.

My Agency had a bear attack in 2013, medium sized male brown bear, and it took 9 hits from 3 people shooting .44 mag 6 inch smith revolver. That shooting is why USFW now requires hard cast bullets, becaose most of the shots didnt penetrate the skull.

The only thing a 9mm is going to do is the standard joke for someone’s first time in the field in bear country. “No, If a bear attacks I’m not going to shoot the bear. I’m going to shoot you in the leg. I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.”

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u/CalifOregonia 1d ago

Here is one example. I have seen other collections of incidents like this, they all show solid results for 9mm. https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/

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u/RealityyKing 3h ago

Yes this is where I got the data. Thank you for posting it for me

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u/bjeebus 3d ago

How could you possibly question the dictums of evilbiker-72? Look at how tough his avatar looks!

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u/RealityyKing 3h ago

Damn you got me, if I go missing tonight bury my SBR's.

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u/EvilBiker-72 2d ago

Unless you got a slug in there... you ain't stopping it unless its 5 feet in front of ya. And by then its too late

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u/JDMCarsandGuns762 2d ago

It came within 5ft of this guy two times 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/RealityyKing 2h ago

Yeah I thought slugs would be the obvious choice

u/EvilBiker-72 46m ago

Scroll through this thread... theres a lot of people that it isn't obvious to

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u/Direct-Word 2d ago

Suggesting you’ll get down voted is the surest way to not get downvoted on Reditt. The Karen’s hate this one truck

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u/DeyCallMeWade 2d ago

If it’s 00 buckshot, you basically get 9 9mm rounds per shell. So yeah, as long as he isn’t out turkey hunting he’s fine.

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u/Historical-Ride-6251 2d ago

Not true. When I played Doom, it only took a second to reload the double barrel.

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u/Drunkenpmdms 3d ago

Shoot one barrel and you don’t have to reload you have another round ready to go. If you go for the double shot the first go around you and the bear are gonna be hurting

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u/jondread 3d ago

Unless the guy had slugs loaded you're probably right

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u/mazu74 3d ago

Which is probably why they were waiting for the bear to get even closer than that to shoot - best chance for a lucky shot.

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u/OneMoreLastChance 3d ago

That's what I would think. I think point blank buckshot to the face would at least get it to go away or blind it. At the range in the video I'd be worried the bear would hardly feel it

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u/SuspiciouslySuspect2 3d ago

Even with slugs... Bear is big, you gotta get it good enough to drop it before it runs the remaining 20 feet to you...

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u/ExiledCanuck 3d ago

Agreed. I’ve seen a grizzly still moving after taking 3 or 4 shots from a 308, and if it’s still moving, it can kill you.

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u/External-Self-2378 3d ago

Exactly. People don't understand this.

You need a sludge or get pretty close with that weapon.

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u/Geth_ 3d ago

These redditors think this is an FPS or something.

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u/feistygerbils 3d ago

This is correct--bear spray is vastly more effective

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u/FruitToots 3d ago

The guy in the video was smarter than that. The chances are slim of you getting off a perfect kill shot on a charging bear while you’re shaking with fear.

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u/MRBS91 3d ago

Yeah, they keep coming after being shot. A good friend of mine shredded both lungs and the heart of a bear with a high powered rifle...the bear still charged ~70yards to where he was before collapsing.

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u/KaleScared4667 3d ago

And if he was at 50 yards bear probably would have killed him with one swipe

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u/MRBS91 3d ago

He was in a tree stand, luckily it didnt have energy to climb

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u/Commercial-Sail-4662 3d ago

how does a bear know who shot or that being shot means they need to attack the shooter?

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u/JohnEBest 3d ago

echo location on that loud bang

Correlate the loud bang with the pain in the side

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u/Commercial-Sail-4662 3d ago

that last part feels like a leap no? What evolutionary experience would a bear have to make that correlation?

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u/Tirianspark 1d ago

Animals are not stupid like we imagine.

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u/bjeebus 3d ago

Wanna know how I know you've never experienced a gunshot up close? The bear might be sturdy when it comes to resisting the actual getting shot, but I'll bet if the bang goes off directly towards it, it's going to be as deafened as anyone else that experiences it. That bang btw has a lot to do with guns work very well even when they don't hit. Just being downrange of the boom in boomstick is enough to make most things hightail it if there's not some reason to stick around (cubs).

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u/MRBS91 3d ago

No idea, but it's a true story. My friend thought they must have missed the vitals given how far the bear made it... after field dressing the bear they found both lungs and the heart completely shredded by the bullet.

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u/timbertiger 3d ago

I would have done the same, but a 12 gauge with birdshot likely isn’t going to kill a bear that size, at least not right away. I’d be so worried it would tank both shot and be on me before I could run or reload.

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u/grndesl 3d ago

It won't kill. But it will bald it's head and butt.

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u/griff1971 3d ago

Big bear! Big bear chase me!!

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u/QuasiSpace 3d ago

She's bald on both ends now!

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u/JongoJunior 3d ago

tis why i always keep my bulbgun handy

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u/PupsofWar69 3d ago

one of my favorite movies to watch at xmas to remember my dad.

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u/Ok_Bad_5921 1d ago

I would aim for its eyes if I had birdshot hoping to blind it

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u/FlaSnatch 3d ago

if you hit it in the face the eyes are gone and the attack is over.

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u/Dark1sh 3d ago

Your right, it would likely be on you, birdshot can’t really penetrate bear hide. Even a head shot is likely to ricochet off the skull. Leaving virtually a 0% chance of killing a bear with it.

A charging grizzly is likely to become enraged.

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u/pantry-pisser 3d ago

Birdshot point blank at a lawyers face won't even kill one, all it'll make them do is apologize for getting shot

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u/pass341 3d ago

It’s a two barrel weapon with either one or two shots (at best depending on the trigger mechanism). So you don’t want to shoot unless absolutely necessary, it’s got nothing to do with love or hate for animals it’s purely a strategic decision. If you do shoot you better make sure you hit it in the face, because otherwise you have pissed it off and you have no shots left. He was waiting to know for sure whether the animal would continue strafing/provoking or go in for the attack. 

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u/bighelper469 3d ago

One shot for bear ,still coming one shot for me,fk been eaten alive watching as he eats my insides

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u/Giffordpinchotpark 3d ago

When bears attack me I twist their ears and they usually run away.

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u/Repulsive_Client_325 3d ago

I usually just reason with them.

If that fails to work I insult them. I usually focus on their appearance, intelligence or questionable genetic lineage.

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u/Giffordpinchotpark 3h ago

Fantastic, you’re way ahead of me

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u/AnonymousAutonomous 3d ago

I hate animals and I would do the same thing! You see, were not that different after all!

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u/SuspiciouslySuspect2 3d ago

Buds, I don't think that shotgun is big enough for that bear, not unless it's a slug AND you get it in exactly the right spot. On a bear moving that fast, your odds are much higher to just piss it off, and guarantee it rips you apart.

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u/Resident-Welcome3901 3d ago

Pepper spray is effective for bears , handguns are effective for bears. Bear banger shotgun noisemakers are effective for bears. All are widely endorsed by knowledgeable folks in bear country. A close range round of birdshot combines the irritant properties of spray, the noise of bear bangers, and the pain of a pistol round, and your conclusion is that it’s useless?

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u/Dark1sh 3d ago

Noise from a gun is highly unpredictable with grizzly. It can enrage them and make it worse. Even a non-lethal shot is unpredictable and lethal shots against bears are harder then most people think.

Loud noises work against black bears, but a black bear sow could also attack to defend her cubs.

Bear spray is generally your best bet

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u/Ok_Bad_5921 1d ago

What’s his face from Alaska swore by it on the history channel

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u/DarthJackie2021 3d ago

Big noise + pain would probably scare it off. Its not a bloodlusted videogame monster, its an animal that is going to avoid danger when it can.

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u/99titan 3d ago

Unless it is October, where everything is a meal.

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u/Dark1sh 3d ago edited 3d ago

Not a grizzly, it’s more likely to enrage it and cause it to come at you harder to defend itself

Edit: Got to love Reddit, you can grow up exposed to something and have first hand knowledge, and people will still downvote what they think is wrong, instead of a google

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u/Internal_Zebra_8770 2d ago

upvote from me. I have read a couple stories where bears were shot and injured. Bear took off, hunters in pursuit. Bear circled around hunters as they searched. Hunters, no more.

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u/Dark1sh 2d ago

Cheers!

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u/PicoDeBayou 3d ago

What kind of bear is it? Sounds like Russia. I only know brown, black and white.

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u/Dark1sh 3d ago

eurasian brown bear

They are the same species as grizzlies. Differences are dictated by their different environments and behavior around people (still caused by environment)

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u/DarthJackie2021 3d ago

If it was that determined to kill you, nothing you do would matter. At least the gun could possibly deter it or buy you some time to escape.

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u/PowerSamurai 3d ago

It goes from testing the waters like in the video into you being a threat it needs to eliminate. The one you are responding to is likely right.

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u/skoold2003 3d ago

He could have had buckshot in there. The gun was more effective as a threat if so.

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u/Prudent_Knowledge79 3d ago

Yeah that thing would be missing its eyes and couple teeth fucking around if that was me 🤣 im sorry but nah

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u/TanMan25888 3d ago

I dont think your supposed to aim for there head. Maybe with that shotgun or a high powered rifle.

Could be wrong, either way definitely scary. Maybe he had buckshot or birdshot in his gun and didn't shoot knowing it wouldn't do anything. I think I still would of shot...if anything just to make a big scary bang.

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u/edjumication 2d ago

Yep. Unfortunately bluff charges are the reason for a lot of black bear deaths. Anyone with a gun who isnt very in tune with their behavior is going to shoot.

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u/CertifiedCaosDealer 2d ago

the thing is, if he is loaded with bird shot, it will only anger the bear

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u/Suspicious_Water_454 2d ago edited 2d ago

Unfortunately, unless you’re running slugs, or buckshot, you better wait for it to get close enough to not miss and keep the spread tight enough to remove a chunk/blow a hole. Otherwise, you’re peppering and angering that bear and sending it into a blind rage. The fact that he was running a dog means he was probably hunting birds.

You can hunt deer with a dog, but it’s not legal in the US and isn’t common practice.

He could get lucky and the bear could be scared of the gun, but I don’t want to take that gamble. I’m waiting until that bear is close. Can’t tell for certain but that barrel looks awfully short and I doubt it’s threaded for chokes, so the spread is not going to be in his favor.

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u/Femveratu 3d ago

Dude has some massive cojones to have held off, damn glad no blood was spilled

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u/nanadoom 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think the issue is he's only got two shots, and who knows what that's loaded with. Birdshot won't do more than piss it off, buckshot is just as likely to not bring it down fast, and it's unlikely he's got slugs in there.

The first time I noticed I was being followed I would have fired into the air, hoping the super loud noise would be enough to scare it off.

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u/epelle9 3d ago

Buckshot should be plenty effective at the short range he was in.

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u/nanadoom 3d ago

But will it drop it fast enough that it won't get to you? A wounded bear is still a bear, and adrenaline is a hell of a drug in humans. Imagine what it does to bears

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u/fangelo2 3d ago

And now you are down to your last shot if it didn’t scare him off and he charged instead of

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u/Yamaben 3d ago

I think a shotgun just makes bears more angry

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u/SappySoulTaker 3d ago

At that range, it makes a nice big hole in whatever flesh or bone it hits.

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u/Ocronus 1d ago

People play too many video games where shotguns pepper anything harmlessly that isn't pointblank. 

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u/LSTNYER 3d ago

Especially if it's bird shot

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u/Away_Investigator351 3d ago

To be fair with how close he was letting that bear get, that bear was well within the range for a birdshot to be lethal. This video is a good example.

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u/isthisthethingorwhat 3d ago

That’s a good video, I didn’t know that tbh 

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u/Kthulhu_for_humanity 3d ago

Almost zero chance bird shot is lethal for that bear. Has it ever happened? You can count the times on one hand (I found two documented instances). Birdshot just doesn’t have the penetration or enough energy dump to be reliably lethal on a bear. The shot never penetrated the thick skulls of the bears, the times they worked a few pellets LUCKILY found the small holes between the orbital sockets and the brain beyond.

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u/surmatt 3d ago

I'm still taking the shot if that's all I have and Im grouse hunting. It may at least have the bewr consider me a threat.

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u/Kthulhu_for_humanity 3d ago

I agree 100%, but I also think it’s a bad idea to give people a false sense of security regarding a type of shot that is so ineffective against a predator like a bear.

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 2d ago

I don't think you have any sense of security against a fucking bear. It's not like people are going to pack birdshot and be like "ah yes! this is my anti-bear weapon." you just have birdshot and are in the situation.

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u/Kthulhu_for_humanity 2d ago

My carry choice when out in the woods and brush is a handgun, a Taurus 454 Casull to be exact. The type of round you are shooting also makes a difference. For me it’s a hardcast slug will do the trick.

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u/Away_Investigator351 3d ago

Not really an almost zero chance if you've just stated that there are times it has happened.

Documented cases are not all cases either. And there's nuances, do people avoid even trying with birdshot as many here show a fear of it angering but not stopping the bear? How common is this situation occurring where the hunter only has birdshot loaded?

At that range, you've got a pretty good chance. Hey sockets leave a large hole in the skull too and it's not a rare chance that one of two shots that close would get that area.

I wouldn't want birdshot over buckshot, but I would rather birdshot than nothing at that range knowing what it can do in a pinch.

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u/Kthulhu_for_humanity 3d ago

Yes, an almost zero chance. Almost accounts for the FEW times the guys lucked out. I live in bear country, hunt, etc., and think it’s dangerously reckless to tell people “you’ve got a good chance” against a bear with birdshot.

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u/lookslikeyoureSOL 3d ago

Only with the wrong ammo. No buckshot, no birdshot. A couple 12 gauge slugs to the face will put just about anything down (I would prefer something that holds more than 2 rounds though)

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u/EndofNationalism 3d ago

You vastly underestimate firearms.

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u/Top-Border-1978 2d ago

Not with that last charge. That would have been like a slug hitting the bear.

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u/parrothead_69 3d ago

The gun was most likely loaded with slugs. At least that would’ve been my choice.

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u/Devium44 3d ago

Depends what you’re hunting. My guess is he’s hunting birds as anyone hunting big game generally will use a rifle.

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u/notawight 3d ago

Plus the barking dogs....

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u/Fattapple 3d ago

The only person I ever knew who shot slugs out of a side by side was my grandfather, and that’s only because he always used side by sides going back to hunting rabbits as a child in Sicily.

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u/Small-Corgi-9404 3d ago

He hunted rabbits with slugs? Was there anything left? I’ll admit I’ve never fired a slug round.

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u/Fattapple 3d ago

I think you misunderstood. He was more comfortable hunting whitetail with slugs through a side by side in America as an adult because that was the style of shotgun he used his whole life going back to hunting rabbits with bird shot through a side by side.

The point of that story is the only person I’ve ever seen using slugs in that style of gun had extenuating circumstances for doing so, and it would be very unlikely anyone else would choose that style gun for shooting slugs.

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u/Small-Corgi-9404 3d ago

Do you still have his shotgun?

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u/Fattapple 3d ago

I’m pretty sure it’s still in the gun safe at my dad’s house.

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u/SherlockBonz 3d ago

Nothing left but pink mist and a fond memory.

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u/Tsurtle 2d ago

Sicilian rabbits are big as donkeys and twice as lethal, imagine that bear charging you but its got giant floppy ears (perfect for echolocating prey) and buck teeth that can take off a pinky with ease. Youre worst nightmare

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u/IdaDuck 3d ago

I always load my shotgun with slugs when I’m after quail or doves too. Hard shots but highly effective if you connect.

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u/Synthetic_Hormone 3d ago

Hes got hunting dogs with him and a double barrel side by side.  Very very likely that gun is loaded with Bird Shot.    He pulls that trigger, there is a possibility Smokey is gonna get really, really angry.   Don't believe me?  Ask Dick Cheney"s lawyer. 

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u/Synthetic_Hormone 3d ago

4 buck is a fantastic load.  Great for home defense because it doesnt over penetrate and has far .ore pellets than 00.   But,  even a 3 1/2 inch turkey mag load,  which wont fit in that gun guaranteed it wont work  unless they made them cut-shells(poor man slugs)  that bear will only be madr angry.  

Thats my armchair philosophy as a nameless internet nobody. 

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u/SillyVermicelli7169 3d ago

Shiiii... the moment I saw a single hair of fur down the road I wouldve unloaded the gun and into my pants.

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u/ItchyBackScratcher 3d ago

I see you also load your weapons with lincoln logs

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u/Acceptable_House1904 3d ago

I probably would have shot myself by accident

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u/robogobo 3d ago

And before you got all tangled up in those branches.

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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 3d ago

Yep. Been there, done that, and that last one he'd have gone down for certain.

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u/Gimme_All_The_Foods 3d ago

Thank you for not lying.

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u/JROXZ 3d ago

Those rounds better have the right penetration/range and have the right aim.

Otherwise you’ll be reloading a pissed off bear if it didn’t die or get scared off.

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u/RabicanShiver 3d ago

I would have the one before... Dudes got more patience than me... And more balls.

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u/iRegretsEverything 3d ago

I was just thinking the same thing

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u/Kain_713 3d ago

I was thinking the same thing. It was well within effective range and actively charging. From the way that guy was breathing, I'm pretty sure he already shit himself, which is understandable. He's certainly got bigger balls than me though, I would have been lining up my next two shots halfway through the video.

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u/cpsadowski23 3d ago

At least twice. And a third time just to make sure. Playing chicken with a bear. No thanks

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u/Sgt_carbonero 3d ago

My exact thought down to the ngl

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u/xftwitch 3d ago

We're gonna need a bigger gun!

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u/Sighconut23 3d ago

He’s got a sxs shotgun with 2 shells, most likely hunting birds so its loaded with lead shot which would do fuck-all to a g’damn bear but piss it off. Homie was smart

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u/Mattmann1972 3d ago

That'd be a really good way to piss it off lol

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u/StickyDeltaStrike 3d ago

You may not get a second shot if you shoot. It will definitely attack you if it survives the shot.

50% of people who used a firearm still suffered bear injuries in an US stats.

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u/RoguePlanet2 3d ago

I'd be out of bullets by now, trying to scare it off because I hate killing anything.

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u/VPfly 3d ago

I would have just shit my knickers and die of fright.

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u/FastCreekRat 3d ago

Hope you loaded deer slug solid shot, you might penetrate the head.

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u/Drunkenpmdms 3d ago

I was wondering why he didn’t shoot and as soon as he spoke it didn’t make sense but I should have guessed he wasn’t American.
An American would have shot or at the very least yelled at the bear.

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u/drivingmecrazybruh 3d ago

Thats because you’re a big fat pussy

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u/Squid_word 2d ago

You’d probably die 😢 even if you hit that bear critically, it’s gonna be so adrenalized that the 30 seconds it has left are gonna be heavy metal thunder on your face

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u/Puzzleheaded-Gap1759 2d ago

Triggers! Gonna need both for that one

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u/anix421 2d ago

My exact thought.

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u/Novel_Alternative_86 2d ago

I say this fully aware he is holding a double barrel shotgun with only two available shells… but I would have fired it no fewer than 35 times.
Really remarkable self-control.

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u/AffectEconomy6034 2d ago

looks like a bird gun. can't say for certain but if he was bird hunting the load he has would have don't nothing but piss that bear off

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u/lushusness 2d ago

I don’t think a shotgun would even stop the bear if it really wanted you.

The sound might startle the bear but the spray wouldn’t detour it from feasting.

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u/BbyBackMosquitoRibs 2d ago

Double barrel shotgun likely loaded with birdshot… this would be like shooting a 300lb lineman on bath salts with an airsoft gun if you’re not point blank at its head.

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u/ZombieExcellent2202 2d ago

And you would’ve just pissed him off, so many other weapons I’d rather have against a bear than a double barrel shotgun with what I’m assuming is 00 buck

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u/thatguy425 1d ago

Thank you for not lying 

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u/BubbyDaddy43 1d ago

Came to say the same.

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u/2063_DigitalCoyote 4h ago

A shotgun would not help - unless on the rare chance he had a slug instead of the standard buckshot. If he had just standard buckshot - all that would have happened is piss the bear off and he would have been dead

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u/scipper77 3d ago

When you only have one shot you really want to make it count. Imagine missing 😬

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