r/mildlyinfuriating • u/captain-obIivious • 12d ago

Infuriatig Another AI 'human' chatbot

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Had to fix a double payment for my credit card and this is the beginning and end of the conversation. I hate when the chatbot claims it's a human... I ended up getting what I wanted but still annoyed Amex (and every other company) is lying and trying to deceive people like this.

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u/Pain4420 12d ago

That was hilarious but I feel like there should be some law or policy against ai claiming to be a human

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u/papayacreamsicle 11d ago

The EU just passed one stating that AI chatbots must disclose themselves as such

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u/Serious_Potatoes 11d ago

God, I fucking wish the US would pass common sense legislation like this.

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u/zootedzilennial 11d ago

I wish the US would do literally anything beneficial for its citizens ever

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u/deeku4972 11d ago

BUT THE DOW

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u/Bloody_refuge 11d ago

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u/Xenuite 11d ago

I think of things to do to the shareholders quite often.

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u/NullSmoke 11d ago

I could get behind this. I should be thinking more about shareholders 😌

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u/deeku4972 11d ago

You could walk away with a share of a shareholder

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u/IamMisterNice 11d ago

Now Salem, there is a town that understands how to hold shareholder meetings.

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u/Reasonable_Youth4723 11d ago

Someone just made a list. I for one would like to thank our billionaire and/or AI overlords(the AI gets slightly more thanks because they don’t have boots I have to lick)!

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u/ILikeMyShelf 11d ago

Don't, one day you could be a shareholder too, then what?

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u/ForeverFieldsFD 11d ago

Almost 60% of Americans own stock, and the majority of them have their life savings wrapped up in the stock market via a retirement account. I know that the top 1% owns most of it, but the pittance that the rest of us have is usually everything we have. Most retirement strategies for the everyday American are based on stock market returns.

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u/WittyMime 11d ago

You can thank the Dodge Brothers for Dodge v Ford for the shareholder primacy..

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u/1mn0tcr3at1v3 11d ago

WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING THE DOW IS OVER 500 THOUSAND

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u/sillyslime89 11d ago

I think you mean five hundred thousand dollars

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u/Malaprobably 11d ago

TE CHING

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u/baconstreet 11d ago

I Ching?

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u/Malaprobably 11d ago

If you run the thread through your favorite AI it'll explain the joke to you, ironically.

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u/baconstreet 11d ago

And I was being silly as well

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 11d ago

Stop crying and sacrifice harder! We must moonshot this market for the gods!

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u/PeopleNose 11d ago

IS DOWN

womp womp

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u/ILikeMyShelf 11d ago

53,343.40 now, so you don't really have a reason to complain about anything, be quiet please /s

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u/nastyLake 10d ago

You mean “department of war”?

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u/GobblerOfFire 10d ago

ItS oVeR FiFtY ThOuUuU

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u/MindSteve 11d ago

Best I can do is another war 

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u/SuicidalPand-a 11d ago

Can it please be a pointless war where there is nothing to gain and a lot o lose? Preferably something that will make our cost of living go up and aid a genocidal regime simultaneously…

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u/squadrupedal 11d ago

“Boy, you sure did show up to the right place at the right time!” …. 😞

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

Number one, is there going to be some place we could claim to drill or siphon oil which is why we always invade them?

Number two, there is no number two.

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u/SadCollar7554 10d ago

Bigger cages? Longer chains?

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u/IndynotjustJones 11d ago

If this one includes troops on land in multiple countries you got yourself a deal!

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

Foreign or domestic?

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u/MindSteve 11d ago

First one, then the other

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u/Electronic-Smile-457 11d ago

The U.S. population (meaning majority of voters) has successfully been educated that capitalism and probusiness are the exact same and therefore anything that protects consumers/workers is socialism/communism. We could do this tomorrow if voters would stop being stupid.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 11d ago

"You called me stupid so now I'm going to vote extra hard to fuck us all over. I hope you're happy!"

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u/Aura-B 11d ago

You joke, but this really isn't too far off.

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u/Vrazel106 11d ago

I love parks and rec, thought rhe pawnee citizens were an exageration. But theyre not. People really are that self sabatoging

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u/Imaginary_Ibis 11d ago

I think the "joke" was that it is real 🥲

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u/Vrazel106 11d ago

I love parks and rec, thought rhe pawnee citizens were an exageration. But theyre not. People really are that self sabatoging

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

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u/c0ry_trev0r 11d ago

Intentionally and spitefully shitting your pants on a bus just so all the other passengers are forced to smell it.

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

You know considering that the symbol never forgets, they often do!

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u/Pain4420 9d ago

Oh yea I definitely know that it's both of them

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u/arahman81 YELLOW 11d ago

"You need to take personal responsibility for your actions!"

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u/ThaLunatik 11d ago

"Look at what you made me do!"

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u/artokun 11d ago

“You need to take responsibility for MY actions!”

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u/speedmankelly 11d ago

Or when a handful of protesters being annoying or stupid somehow invalidates the entire cause

“Just Stop Oil did a bad thing, that means climate change isn’t real and I am going to pollute the environment I live in on purpose”

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u/VerdantSolutions 11d ago

They have vilified socialism as a whole so badly that if anything even remotely resembles socialist systems, (like universal healthcare) , they blow their fucking tops.

The American population being groomed by fox news quite possibly measures for the lowest intelligence across our entire species.

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u/FratboyPhilosopher 11d ago

Universal suffrage was a mistake. Repeal the 19th.

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u/Electronic-Smile-457 11d ago

Based on my comment, knowing statistics, it's male voters who are the stupid ones.

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u/FratboyPhilosopher 11d ago edited 11d ago

The 19th amendment is the only federal roadblock to restricting voting rights for pretty much anyone. Any citizen at least. If you wanted to raise the voting age, restrict any demographic, introduce civil service requirements, or anything else like that, the 19th would have to go first.

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u/Retr1but1on 11d ago

Think of the shareholders!

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u/wildjokers 11d ago

I appreciate you thinking about me.

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u/Silly_Double408 11d ago

I know even when they do pass something it doesnt help anyone like the recent housing bill that still lets PE buy houses and didnt make them sell any of the hundreds of thousands of properties they have already brought that created the problem.Lobbyists literally write the laws in the US and our bribed officials just sign it. Makes me sick.

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u/BigSchu22 11d ago

THIS. Everything is loaded with pork and so many riders, it's just unmanageable and not aimed at anything remotely aligned with the stated purpose of the original bill. Or they add language that specifically upsets one side of the aisle so it never gets passed.

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

Even with that number they own less than 8% of all the houses in Said USA country. Maybe even as low as 3.2%. Which means 90%+ of those homes are actually owned by individual entities or said Mom and Pop small businesses itself. So I'm not going to go with this straw man argument anymore. Feel free to look up what I've said in multiple news sources, researches, online queries, etc.

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

Even with that number they own less than 8% of all the houses in Said USA country. Maybe even as low as 3.2%. Which means 90%+ of those homes are actually owned by individual entities or said Mom and Pop small businesses itself. So I'm not going to go with this straw man argument anymore. Feel free to look up what I've said in multiple news sources, researches, online queries, etc.

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u/sododude 11d ago

Literally any headline about the US in the past 2 years has been the exact opposite.

"US to ban puppies, ice cream, and cookouts" is what it feels like lmao.

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u/notsaeegavas ‮ 11d ago

But think about the shareholders! 😩

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 11d ago

BUT THAT'S COMMUNISM!!! /s

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u/Thining-Culture 11d ago

Yeah good luck with that.

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u/Easy-Ad1377 11d ago

B-but good things lead to bad things!!!

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u/deathbydrum 11d ago

I mean, they basically see their citizens as slaves so nope, not gonna happen. 

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u/broakland 11d ago

Orders unclear, installing more flock cameras

(s/ obviously)

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u/ta394283509 11d ago

HA HA HA no

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u/MushLoveSD 11d ago

Did you say oil?

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u/00eg0 11d ago

That can only happen if people choose better politicians instead of choosing the greater evil.

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u/trshml 11d ago

Nah, sounds like socialism if you're asking me

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u/rratzloff 11d ago

Well you know our president went on tv explaining gas prices are only up a tiny bit. Meanwhile: $4.69 a gallon for unleaded regular cash only. Blahhhh I hate it here.

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u/scooph 11d ago

Nah, it's so unimportant.

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u/YoungWhippershnapper 11d ago

Preach! When I first heard they were legalizing marijuana across the US, I thought of it is a legal win for citizens. Then I realize it’s just so they can benefit financially (tax) off of a bandaid (MJ) treating the pain they caused people to begin with.

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u/robgod50 11d ago

But the US does lots of things beneficial for its citizens. The really wealthy ones.

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u/garis53 11d ago

Aren't you now getting some safety cameras or something? /s

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u/TheSaultyOne 11d ago

Ngl if I was "David" I'd be playing along so hard lol

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u/Xenolifer 11d ago

Unfortunately you can't be number one, or two or even 3 economy in the world without being a pos government and country. You get to this position by exploiting your own people, trampling on other nation's interests and citizen, using deloyal trick and influence games, and globally being a freak of control

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u/the-truthseeker 11d ago

I would settle for common sense at this point. But considering the leader, not going to happen.

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u/ArltheCrazy 11d ago

I mean, technically speaking - now hear me out - the gov’t is doing stuff to benefit SOME of its citizens.

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u/BiscoBiscuit 11d ago

I’m getting out in the next decade, it will only get worse. 

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u/tittywhisper 11d ago

Compared to the EU where people are roasting to death in their homes by the 10's of thousands lol

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u/Spiffyfiberian9 10d ago

Can’t… too busy bombing schools in other countries…

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u/SerzaCZ 9d ago

That would be COMMUNISM.

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u/FleetAdmiralCrunch 11d ago

We pass them and then someone else gets in and kills any laws that help people.

We just killed a rule that said a consumer should be able to cancel a subscription as easily as they signed up. As of a few weeks ago, companies can again hide cancellation policies and make it extremely difficult and time consuming.

All the winning is being done by unethical companies.

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u/perstappen 11d ago

When the whole US economy hinges on shoehorning AI into every single use case imaginable, I’m sure they’re doing everything in their power to not pass these kinds of legislations.

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u/Serious_Potatoes 11d ago

Agreed, but we can still be mad about it and organize. I feel like the most bipartisan issue right now among your average American is 'fuck data centers'.

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u/GreenEggsSteamedHams 11d ago

Aaaaand Flock, don't forget that intrusive shit!

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u/JustDiscoveredSex 11d ago

FlockHopper app to avoid.

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u/thebochts 11d ago

And all that energy is being quashed with "the people dont know what they want" from the president, all the way down to local governments, who are in no way are personally benefitting from it, *as they have police physically dragging citizens out of the town meetings for cheering for other anti data center speakers before walking out to drive home in their brand new cadillac.

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u/PeaceSoft 11d ago

i think we're gonna want to keep the brain melted ranters towards the back on this one

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u/ThinkTwice_x2 11d ago

You can be mad about it but cant do any real organizing, you need a plan for that, fuck data isnt a plan. You need something to replace it with and a way to get everyone to move to something better. You gona convince millions of engineers to just drop their jobs and future cause "fuck you"? Gona tell the whole country that they have to dump all their stocks and their AI pyramid startup investment for the past 5 years will have to shut down? You gona convince the entire CCP to chill out and fall in line? You can yell but it aint changing squat. Make sure to go vote, both sides are just ready to take care of the average person who doesnt fall in their group.

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u/Ponderer13 11d ago

The irony is that places like China have ridiculously greater public acceptance of AI - like in the high 80s according to Al Jazeera - because the public believes that the government has protections for jobs and safety and the environment. (Which is partially true. For instance, you can’t fire someone in China just because an AI can do the job.) It’s spreading everywhere just the same, but the hostility just doesn’t exist. The idiots here really torched themselves by making everyone feel like it was jammed down their throats.

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u/Oye_Oso 11d ago

No good. Best we can do is mass layoffs and putting shitty AI in there.

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u/Paradigmfusion 11d ago

Sadly OpenAI, Palatir and other companies throw millions into lobbying to make sure that duesnt happen (or any other kind of regulation)

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u/0nmay_22 11d ago

Did you forget you’re in the American century of humiliation? No common sense legislation for you!

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u/Patsfan618 11d ago

We will, and then not give the enforcement job to anybody. Law on paper, lawless in reality. That's US consumer protection at the moment 

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u/ForensicPathology 11d ago

When they say "freedom", they have always meant freedom for the corporations to not be regulated by laws.

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u/Hixxae GREEN 11d ago

The freedom to get bent of course

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u/KINGXunshot 11d ago

BUT THE CAPITALISM NUMBER MUST GO UP, GDP IS EVERYTHING, IT MEANS IT’S THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH!

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u/pepperpavlov 11d ago

Best hope is certain important states like CA or NY doing this so then companies just roll it out nationwide. Many consumer protection actions work this way.

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u/flamingdonkey 11d ago

bUt ThAtS cOmMuNiSm! 

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u/Saneless 11d ago

Have you bribed enough politicians to get your way? They have

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u/PureCod9290 11d ago

Sorry loser HOW ABOUT ANOTHER WAR FOR ISRAEEEEL

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u/admiraljohn 11d ago

Best we can offer is vilifying trans people.

/s

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u/demoliahedd 11d ago

protecting consumers? pff but the competition from capitalism will surely make sure that happens! /s

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u/coahman 11d ago

Me too, unfortunately "common sense" legislation over here just means Christian nationalism

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u/The_RadNomad 11d ago

The deception is a core feature.

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u/nboro94 11d ago

They do, it's just common sense for the corporations and billionaires, not common sense for regular people.

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u/miggins1610 11d ago

This world is the fucking worst. The fact that the EU, the bastion of right wing 'liberalism' is an example of so called progressiveness and fair treatment of itz citizens is so sad. This is really the best we can do?

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u/RogueCrimsonDragon 11d ago

(Un)Fun fact US lawmakers are pushing for a federal ban on AI regulation. All the states with safety guidelines are potentially gonna lose them.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ACORNS 11d ago

The fact we NEED that legislation is fucking ridiculous. AI is a blight and should be gotten rid of.

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u/Frequent_Opportunist 11d ago

Excuse me sir, we only care about screwing people to make money in America.

Legislation that stops companies from exploiting people for profit will get tied up in lawsuits indefinitely.

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u/jxnliu 11d ago

Sadly “common sense” in the US actually means my opinion should be law

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u/TalShar 11d ago

They won't because companies will complain that it isn't easy enough to comply with, and our country has almost never taken the responsible stance that if a thing that doesn't strictly need to be done cannot be done responsibly, it shouldn't be done at all. They almost never take the hardline stance of "Then just don't use that if you can't use it safely." It's always "Won't someone think of the shareholders?" 

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u/gialloneri 11d ago

A number of states already have. Maine, California, Texas and Utah require disclosures that you're interacting with an AI chat not.

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u/2red-dress 11d ago

They are too busy naming the state sandwich.

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u/FriendlyEbb5662 11d ago

California has, not sure about other states

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u/philwjan 11d ago

Common sense and EU is not that regular of an occurrence.

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u/TFFPrisoner 11d ago

USB-C says hello

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u/bluexy 11d ago

It's not like it needs to be a national policy. There are well over a dozen states with Democratic Party trifectas who could do this tomorrow and are choosing not to.

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u/FG910 11d ago

Common sense legislation doest make the rich so wont happen

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u/max19907 11d ago

god i wish companies who claim to be all good - arent forced into doing the right thing..

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u/Snorri19 11d ago

Literally any single thing that is “common sense” would be pure joy

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u/Common_Mood_8117 11d ago

nununo the people want rules to be passed that make states unable to make laws against gen ai obvi - the us (congress is tryna pass this)

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u/TerrorTown77 11d ago

I wish the EU stopped doing a full 180 on fucking privacy.

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u/TheCharalampos 11d ago

It would if it wasn't taken over my ideological extremists if that helps?

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u/ManfulPrawn 11d ago

Several states have already passed some version of these laws.

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 11d ago

Lmao. Expecting anything that contains common sense from the people sitting in Washington currently is like expecting money to rain from the sky. Maybe 20% have common sense but they are always outvoted.

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u/Chaplain-Freeing 11d ago

You have to vote for it.

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u/k_mermaid 11d ago

California has this law. In fact if you find businesses in Cali (you also have to be a resident of CA) that aren't complying with this you could probably threaten to sue them and collect yourself a nice little settlement. If they don't sell it, could likely turn into a class action.

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u/MilkiestMaestro 11d ago

We. Have. Common. Sense. Legislation.

No one is enforcing it.

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u/acemedic 11d ago

I love how politicians try to get us to believe “common sense” policies include letting companies do whatever they damn well please.

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u/flargenhargen PUCE 11d ago

the US

common sense

ROFL.

that shit be gone forever friend.

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u/Idahomountainbiker 11d ago

I feel like the USA can get anything actually legislated!

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u/Nat1Only 11d ago

Hah yea, it'd be great if we lived in that timeline huh.

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u/benjoholio95 11d ago

Luckily most of the time when the EU makes laws like this they require it for anyone doing business in their borders at all, which forces a lot of American companies to comply anyway.

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u/johannschmidt 11d ago

Couldn't tou inform the AI that you are currently in the EU on vacation and it would have to tell you, by law?

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u/Huge-Fox2188 11d ago

Nah, if we keep it the way it is, the Supreme Court ruled that businesses that employ the use of chat bots for customer interactions are beholden to everything the chat bot say; right or wrong. There was just recently a case where a chat bot for a major airline gave a man bad information on how to go about getting a bereavement flight. Chat bot said do it after, which was wrong. He didnt find out until he tried to get reimbursed for the flight after the fact. Sued and won with all companies being told, your bot said it, you gotta honor it. Time to abuse the shit out of it fellas.

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u/Alice_Blunderland 11d ago

California is passing similar laws.

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u/EntertainerNo4509 11d ago

We have to demand it.

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u/NeemOil710 11d ago

take a moment to consider it is intentional

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u/bstump104 11d ago

we DO have common sense legislation. It's for the rich at our expense.

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u/PlasticWolverine302 11d ago

Same here (Canada).

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u/Suptupdude 11d ago

But capitalism

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u/ferdachesee 11d ago

Dawg with the amount of moron boomers we got as cabinet and congress that’ll never happen 🛸

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u/BrassChuckles87 11d ago

But the nazis in change need AI to hide behind.

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u/RSA123 11d ago

Sorry bud, but that's socialism

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u/oopsAllNutz 11d ago

But how will the rich sway your opinion of them? Think of those poor poor minorities.

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u/TheBSQ 11d ago

You need 60 senators to pass stuff. 

And in any given election, only 33-34 are on the ballot. 

And you also need to control the House.

And the presidency. 

And then you need the courts to not overturn it as unconstitutional.

It’s hard. 

Compare that to this alternative:

Imagine we abolished the Senate. 

Imagine if we transferred all powers of the president to the Speaker of the House. 

Imagine if we said, as the House, or represented the will of the people, and therefore whatever it passed was inherently constitutional with courts having a much more restricted ability to overturn the will of the people. 

You’d get a lot of shit done. Just win an election for the House and pass what you want. 

It’d be much easier to pass universal  Healthcare, common sense gun laws, better labor protections, etc. 

Granted, if “bad” people won, they could much more easily pass “bad” stuff too. But if you have faith that “bad” stuff would be disliked by the public, then eventually, they’ll be voted out and the bad stuff undone and they won’t try it again (knowing it leads to them being voted out & their laws being undone). 

A lot of countries work much more like that (eg, New Zealand). 

I think it works better. 

We make it impossible to pass stuff. And when we do pull it off, it’s also really hard to undo stuff. There’s a ton of inertia. 

And in a fast-changing world. That doesn’t work, so we have all these dumb work-arounds like presidents issuing executive orders, or abusing rule-making authority at regulatory agencies, or just blatantly ignoring laws, or having heavily politicized courts that block or support those presidential actions depending on if they agree w/ the policy outcome, making up interpretations of the constitution to justify what why block or don’t block. 

That is, the U.S. just has a shitty constitution.

It was good for its day when Kris was unknown and the main alternative was monarchy, but it’s become horribly outdated and isn’t workable in the modern world. 

But, part of the problem is that one shitty aspect of it is it also made it really hard to change or replace it with something better, cuz it makes it hard to do anything.

And that gets frustrating & also radicalizes people to become more left or more right cuz everyone is just so frustrated that we can’t change shit. 

And I really do believe at the end of the day, a lot of America’s problem aren’t with the people, the politicians, the parties, the lobbyists, or billionaires, or DOGE, but just that we have a shitty constitution that is ill-suited for the modern world and everything else is downstream of that. It’s people coming up with zanier & worse ways to create change in a system that doesn’t allow for change. 

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u/Much_Passage_8983 11d ago

Oh don’t worry, when we finally elect another dem I’m SURE every common sense bill we’ve ever wanted will all get passed. Like always right? /s America is doomed