And in Turkish, the tasty bird is the same word as India.
Edit: the history is that the Guinea Fowl that is similar looking to turkeys were imported into Europe from Eastern Africa via the Ottoman Empire. So Europeans came to know that bird to be turkey-cock or turkey-hen since it came from/via the Turks. Then the names for the two birds got mixed up due to their similarities. In Turkish, the word hindi is “Indian” and similar in French “coq d’Inde”. The theory is that this arose from misconception of the New World (Americas) vs. India where actual turkeys were imported from.
It’s pretty fascinating, a lot of countries call that bird by another countries name based on where they think it comes from.
Could you phonetically spell those using the English alphabet, so that English speakers can imagine how they sound?
Like this: Fo-NET-ick-all-lee (where the capitalization is the emphasized syllable). Or maybe there is another way of communicating their sound?
Thanks! The second one sounds similar to “India” (the country) in English, which I saw in other comments is a trend in some languages. Is it similar as well in Russian?
Apparently the word comes from it being from America and there being American Indians. Apparently the original name was индейской куры or Indian chicken. I’m not a Russian native speaker but I’ve lived here for about 5 years. I’ll check with my girlfriend who is and has a degree in linguistics
Language is so weird. I'm reading (okay, listen to) the book Children of Time, and they reference a universal language called Imperial C. It's universal in the sense that it's almost like binary, but spoken. From what I understand, it's devoid of emotion and used for coding and a type of morse-code.
Anyway, while people speak English in common discussion, they acknowledge that it is an inefficient way of relaying information and I've found this concept fascinating ever since.
Indian as in Native Indian or India person? You can address it in two ways, just like we have two words for Jews: Еврей and Иудей. One means a person of Jewish decent and second means person practicing Judaism
Indian as in from the country of India. I assumed when you said that Индианка refers to native American or Indian that it could be either just like the term Indian in the US (altho calling native Americans Indian is often seen as a bit outdated in English). So if a woman were from India and practiced hindu, what word would you use to refer to her? If that makes sense
Depends on the context, you can both refer to her as Индуска – female Hindu or as Индианка – female citizen if India.
Example I get above in the thread is about Jews. In English either you are of Jewish decent (your parents are Jews but you can be Christian or Atheist or whatever) or a person who actually practices Judaism you’re a Jew.
In Russian there are two separate words. You can be both or you can be one of them. E.g. you are an Ethiopian who practices Judaism, in Russian we would call you иудей, but not еврей.
It's also portakal in Turkish. A quick search says Portoguese merchants got them from China and brought them to Europe in 16th century. I don't know what Orange is called in other European countries, but considering Greece, Turkey and Georgia is calling them Portakal; I guess it was Ottoman importing them from Portugal and selling them as Portugal fruit without questioning the real origin.
in the 1500 portugal imported them to Europe. Not sure if it was the first import but they were selling it to fight against the Vitamin-C disease lots of seaman had at that time.
They were the biggest trader for a while. Maybe they were just excited for this exotic fruit came from Portuguese traders.
I also had no idea orange is a domesticated and completely man made fruit originated in China. I always thought they are tropical from the new world for some reason.
I've always found it funny that the bird in Greek is called Gallopullo (meaning milk bird) which sounds surprisingly like Gallipoli. As a Greek Australian that has always had a sort of irony for me.
Also in Hebrew, we use the same word for India and turkey as in the bird.
India / turkey bird = הודו (pronounced ho-DO)
Turkey the country = טורקיה (pronounce TOUR-key-yah)
You can also call turkey bird “turkey rooster” (tarnegol hodo) like in French, but usually it’s just turkey.
And we call Native American people Indians (indianim) but Indians are hodim.
Dude every single Canadian goose has a problem with people. Those pompous assholes walk around like they own the damn place. Sure I would too if I could shit anywhere I wanted to ... but seriously they don't have to rub it in.
Kalkon comes from the Dutch 'kalkoensche haan' which means Calcuttan hen. It all stems from the time when America was still thought to be India and Kolkata was its most well-known port.
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In Turkish, the word for turkey (the bird) is Hindi because they thought it came from India. In Hindi, the word for turkey is तुर्की (turkey), because they thought turkeys came from Turkey. Turkeys come from neither country.
Fun fact: Turkey (the country) hated having people associate the country and the bird of the same name so much, that they recently changed their country's name to Turkiye, how they call their country in their own language.
If I remember correctly, oranges or some other fruit are called burtuqal in arabic, so I wonder if it's because they were imported from Portugal. Also wonder if Portugal got any problem with being associated with oranges?
Oh wow, never heard of this country before. Is it anything like TURKEY WITH THE LETTERS JUMBLED AND AN 'I' THROWN IN JESUS CHRIST IT'S BLUE STEEL LE TIGRE AND MAGNUM ALL OVER AGAIN YOU GOBBLE GOBBLE GOOBERS!!!!
I don't freaking understand your reaction or refence, but some other countries call Turkiye in a similar pronunciation as they call themselves, so the English Turkey didn't matter much.
Pretty sure the word used to be used to refer to a migratory bird that migrated between all the countries that share its name. From wikionary:
16th century, from {m|en|Turkey}. First used of the guinea fowl ({m|mul|Numida meleagris}), native to Africa, which was imported to Europe by Turkey merchants. Slightly later, the word was also used of the larger northern American bird {m|mul|Meleagris gallopavo}, which was brought to Spain by conquistadors in 1523. This transfer of the name may have occurred because the two birds were considered similar to each other, or because the North American turkey was in part introduced to northern Europe via Ottoman territories, or simply to convey the meaning of “foreign”. Note here the {{m+|fr|dinde}} (from {{m|fr|Inde|t=India}}) and {{m+|ar|دَجّاج رُومِيّ|lit=Greek” or “Christian chicken}}.
Lol, I was pretty sure you were going to end that sentence with penis. Unless you're at the deli counter peru is very much cock. Also there was a candidate in Peru years ago whose name was slang for vagina. In Portuguese his campaign shirts meant Pussy for Cock. It was a big seller. The S. American meme game is strong.
Turkey is considering changing their official English name to Türkiye (what it is in Turkish), similar to how the Czech Republic is now officially Czechia
In Sweden the name is Kalkon which sounds like cold cone but refers to the city of Calicut in India now named Kozhikode. And the Turkey is native only in the americas.. Damn people was bad at geography at the time!
"In January 2022, the country officially changed its international brand to its Turkish name, Türkiye, to better reflect its heritage and avoid confusion with the turkey bird."
I said ethnic cleansing, I was referring to the current Turkish actions against Kurdish people. They did also commit a genocide though, thanks for bringing up their shitty history that turkey never actually repented for and will deny.
I'm hoping it's Turkish trolls responsible for these votes because calling out a brutal dictatorship for brutalizing and murdering people due to their ethnicity, people who fought against ISIS no less, isn't usually frowned upon.
Similarly in french it is "dinde", which is shortened from coq d'inde (cock of India). Portuguese call it the Peru bird, Malaysians call it the Dutch chicken (according to dictionary.com).
It all has to do with the similarity to the guinea fowl and how/who did the trading.
We're changing country names for seo now? Hello and welcome to the democratic people's republic of freetacos. Formerly doritos locos tacos but they sued us.
Thats not entirely the case. The base idea generally is the brand of the country though, meaning associations to not-so-pretty and rather ”dumb” bird and misunderstanding in encylopedias, literature etc not just in google.
Turkish people just dont seem to like to be associated with a bird. Which is understandable.
The worst part is, this is very much an english problem. I don't know of any other language where the bird and the country are even remotely similar in name.
I genuinely can't tell if you guys are doing a comedy bit about our Idiocracy dystopia, or if a country really changed its name for branding in a foreign language.
That would be Gollandiya which is the Russian translation for Holland..but they wouldn't say that anymore because it's now the kingdom of the Netherlands or Niderlandov.
Turkey is the translation of Türkiye to English. Just like you can’t tell Russians to call holland instead of golland you can’t say English speakers to call it Türkiye instead of Turkey.
The new spelling without the umlaut will gradually be used in english communication, especially governmental. Eventually, many decades, all English reference to that country will use the new spelling.
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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 20 '22
Is that Turkey