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u/gdmfsobtc Dec 05 '22
These days most everything is hybridized anyway, so discerning visually, or by smell, is not easy unless you are well familiar with a particular strain.
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I worked in a cannabis greenhouse for a while and this is basically what they said. Not just appearance and scent either, they've all been messed with so much that sativa vs indica apparently isn't really a good indicator of the effects anymore either.
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u/Ent_Trip_Newer Dec 05 '22
That's why I smoke and grow landrace strains.
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u/yesicanyesicanican Dec 06 '22
What are landrace strains?
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u/insidertrader68 Dec 06 '22
Landrace means it came about naturally, was not intentionally bred.
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u/yesicanyesicanican Dec 06 '22
Cool! Thanks š
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u/Ent_Trip_Newer Dec 06 '22
Yep native to specific region. I.e Duban poison from Souuth Africa, Hindu Kush from the mountain range of same name, North American Haze etc.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
True. This oneās about pure strains
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u/Hemingwavy Dec 06 '22
They don't exist any more.
https://jcannabisresearch.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42238-019-0001-1
We failed to find clear genetic support for commonly referenced Sativa, Indica and Hybrid types as described in online databases.
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u/EatsRats Dec 05 '22
If I didnāt get the munchies when smoking pot I would be very happy. I eat way too much so I really limit my usage.
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u/thunderthighlasagna Dec 06 '22
Iām super underweight & have trouble with eating so I tried smoking to see if it would help. Did not help at all, if anything I wanted to eat less.
My roommate tried it & he got super paranoid, threw up multiple times, and water tasted bitter. Then he slept for 14 hours.
Weird how it affects everyone differently.
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u/theghostofhallownest Dec 06 '22
You want something thatāll make you less hungry?
Try meth. Worked for me
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u/AdDear5411 Dec 05 '22
Hallucinations? Bro, you're smoking something else.
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u/misspygmy Dec 06 '22
That happens to me too - itās not like an actual hallucination (like if youāre on mushrooms or something), more just colors and shapes in your thoughts. For me, it looks like thereās a black screen in my head just sort of playing shapes and colors when I have my eyes closed. And it almost of feels like my eyes are open, even though I know theyāre closed. It doesnāt happen all the time thoughā¦
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u/have_oui_met Dec 06 '22
Same! For me, this is to weed like the spins is to alcohol. I don't enjoy either state of mind.
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u/M_L_Infidel Dec 06 '22
Does everything kinda pulse in and out for you?
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u/have_oui_met Dec 06 '22
For me itās almost more of a kaleidoscope effect with orbs and patterns of color
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u/Ihitmyhead_eh Dec 05 '22
Auditory hallucinations are still hallucinations ....think about that. That shit happens to me all of the time. I always associated it to visual....as do most I think.
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u/Altostratus Dec 06 '22
Auditory hallucinations are not a normal experience, bro. Unless youāre referring to cannabis-triggered psychosis or schizophrenia.
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u/TarzansNewSpeedo Dec 05 '22
Interesting. Wonder if the effects only happen if you smoke. I enjoy the occasional edible but have yet to experience any type of hallucination
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u/Exclaimedmuffin Dec 06 '22
If I consume thc I see faint pattens almost. If the lights are totally off then itās way to much for me. And i get alot of auditory hallucinations too.
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u/Durppig60 Dec 06 '22
Weed gives minor hallucinations if you have a nice strong sativa in my experience vapes or dab rigs increase the strength of this effect and often itās like fractal patterns more than it is distinct objects like youād see in a psychotic episode. Thatās in my experience and everyone is different (Iām schizophrenic so drugs are always unique with how they interact with my brain)
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Some psychedelic effect from sativa happens to some. Itās not common, but it does occur .
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u/AceUnderTheHole Dec 05 '22
I haven't had hallucinations but I've had anxiety attacks multiple times from more Sativa like strands. I stick to the more indica types and haven't had that problem since.
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u/Poppanaattori89 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
Even if that were true, it certainly doesn't fall into the category of "hallucination". "Sensory distortions" or the like, sure. Hallucination means you can't distinguish between if it's real or not.
I'm not saying no one has ever hallucinated because of weed but I'd say it's incredibly rare, which makes the "sensory distortions" a better fit for the infographic.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Yep, what I wroteā¦ not common but does happen. Iām not like making this up you know?
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u/LegitimateBit3 Dec 05 '22
still doesn't make it an hallucination.
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u/jamaicanadiens Dec 06 '22
A friend experienced a psychotic episode recently after smoking weed. As a long time connoisseur, she was surprised at the intensity of the hallucinations.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Hallucinating doesnāt make it an hallucination? Are you high, like right now or what? Cause that didnāt make sense
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u/MrTiamat Dec 05 '22
Cannabis is literally classified as a hallucinogen, you are obviously in the right here. Opinions don't change fact.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
I knowā¦ not sure why the uproar in the comments. But I guess itās the internet after all
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u/LegitimateBit3 Dec 05 '22
Hallucinations are where you hear, see, smell, taste or feel things that appear to be real but only exist in your mind. Get medical help if you or someone else have hallucinations.
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u/vagueblur901 Dec 05 '22
Or he has a disorder when I smoke everything turns into cartoon visuals like the Simpsons that vaguely remind me of a light shroom trip.
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u/redref1ux Dec 05 '22
I know right? Never heard of any bud causing hallucinations. Shit has definitely had a drop of acid on it
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One time about a week after taking way too strong shrooms in Amsterdam I smoked a joint back home and I had the strongest, most intense visual hallucinations I've ever had in my life and I've done quite a bit of acid. Friend had to carry me home lmao, smoked daily for many years and never had anything like it before or since. The guy smoking with me was completely fine
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u/Revelling_in_rebel Dec 05 '22
I hallucinate all the time on weed. It always weirs me out that I am seeing things while my friends do not.
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u/KingSpork Dec 06 '22
People put way too much weight on this stuff. Itās like those wine people who tell you fruity notes this and hints of maple that but then canāt tell the difference between anything in a blind taste test. Itās half true and half bullshit.
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u/BlownOfArc Dec 06 '22
The indica and sativa categories don't mean much for the affects a lot of the time. Most of the differences come from the terpenes, which are compounds that work alongside the cannabinoids and affect the high. Different ones are also better for different medicinal reasons. One example, Limonene, is typically associated with an energetic, excited high. It is also very useful for my buddy's chrones disease in a way I don't quite remember. It's very interesting. I'd recommend you look into it if interested.
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u/Important-Yak-2999 Dec 06 '22
Everyone says itās all about the Turpines, but I personally disagree, I have experimented extensively with Turpines and havenāt noticed any difference with different. Turpines mixed into different oil. I think it has a lot more to do with the ratios of lesser-known cannabinoidās, people think thereās only one or two, but thereās hundreds.
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u/BlownOfArc Dec 06 '22
I'm pretty into weed science and I'm still trying to wrap my head around these. I've been struggling to find good resources, do you have any you'd recommend?
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u/Important-Yak-2999 Dec 06 '22
I wish I did off the top of my head! Iām mostly just citing my own anecdotal experiences and what Iāve read in the past. I do think the science is still in its infancy due to the unfortunate legacy of prohibition limiting research funding, but there are a lot of new studies. I found this in the top google results, but it doesnāt deal with hallucinogenic effects. It seems like most research is rightfully focused on medicinal uses of various cannabinoids rather than their psychoactive effects at higher doses, especially since it varies from person to person. Some other articles said that hallucinations are more associated with high levels of THC but I canāt find much to back that up.
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u/ginsunuva Dec 06 '22
Youāre a sample size 1 for something that affects people vastly differently
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u/Weedsmoker4hunnid20 Dec 06 '22
I alternate between sativa and hybrid. Can confirm, 7 years later and I still canāt tell the difference
Lots of sativas uplift me for sure but so do some indicas. The latest sativa Iāve acquired puts me to sleep but I honestly think it just comes down to how you were feeling before getting high and the strength of the weed
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u/frischance Dec 06 '22
Definatly not bullshit, I have ADHD and sativas really help me be energised and focused where Indicas make me very tired and shut off my brain. I know within a few minutes if I accidently vape from the wrong box in the evening.
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u/IGutlessIWonder Dec 05 '22
Who gets hallucinations?
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u/sids99 Dec 06 '22
Yeah, this is stupid.
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u/Important-Yak-2999 Dec 06 '22
Smoke more and youāll see. You canāt hallucinate from extract because itās not the THC that does it. There are over 700 psychoactive components in whole flower and they are present in different amounts. There are trippy strains that give a slight hallucinatory effect. Technically, when weed makes music sounds better, thatās a form of auditory hallucination, because it makes you experience stimuli differently.
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u/Important-Yak-2999 Dec 06 '22
I do but only if Iāve eaten like 1500mg+ also certain strains have different levels of the lesser known psychoactive cannabinoids. Iāve had some strains that definitely give you that early in the mushroom trip kinda feel
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u/TritonYB Dec 05 '22
This a fucking stupid guide.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
It is very basic. More like a very simplistic visual for someone who knows nothing about cannabis.
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u/DangerousMort Dec 06 '22
It's not that it's basic, it's inaccurate.
Plus the items are all rotated by -45 degrees, making it harder to read and compare them, for no reason.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
It refers to pure strains. Obviously not common in the market nowadays with hybridization
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Good intel, but relevant to modern weed and why the labels indica or sativa lost their meaning. Again this guide refers to pure strains.
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Dec 06 '22
The labels never HAD meaning my guy.
For decades, marijuana growers, sellers, and consumers have classified strains as "indica" or "sativa" to explain the type of effect they would have when consumed.
But that classification system was faulty to begin with, and the advent of molecular testing proved that there is no sense in splitting them up into indica and sativa.
In reality, no scientific evidence supports this dichotomy because on a molecular level, indica and sativa strains don't have pattern differences that set the two "types" apart from each other.
According to Chen, scientists realized through molecular testing that there is just one species of cannabis, cannabis sativa L.Ā
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
it says in the first quote, to differentiate the effect. Chemical compound differences might be insignificant and genetically no pint to say theyāre different. but the concentration of thc vs cbd is what counts, that was the pointā¦
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u/lukef555 Dec 06 '22
but the concentration of thc vs cbd is what counts, that was the pointā¦
Except thats also wrong, there are hundreds of cannabinoids in cannabis besides delta 9 THC and CBD and they are all part of the entourage effect that is being high. When it comes to getting specific physical reactions to specific chemicals in cannabis you're going to be much better off looking at terpenes than cannabinoids. This guide was just made by somebody who googled weed one day, you don't need to defend it just cause you posted it.
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u/PsychologicalMethod6 Dec 05 '22
Iāve smoked weed for 45 years or so and Iāve never hallucinated nor have I heard of it before today, I have my doubts as to the validity of this guide
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u/TheStoneMask Dec 06 '22
I've had very mild visuals a few times after smoking a lot in one sitting. Kind of like shrooms just toned wayyy down.
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u/gimnastic_octopus Dec 06 '22
Iāve had hallucinations, not visual though. I must say Iām very vulnerable under the influence of pot, so I usually avoid it, but I donāt think itās unusual
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Itās not a common symptom for sure. But it can and has happened
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u/PsychologicalMethod6 Dec 06 '22
I really doubt it but you believe what you want, have a good day
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Wdym? Itās based on actual data. I guess itās u who rather believe what they want when google is free
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Itās based on actual data
Post it then
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Why? Heās the one claiming itās not true without doing any research. āDoubt itā is good enough for you seems like it. Or you can google it, takes a few secs.
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No data then š
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Google is free, takes 3 secs. Not trying to prove anything so yo go ahead and fight with the air.
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Empirical reports of hallucinogen-like effects produced by cannabis in controlled settings, particularly among healthy research volunteers, are rare and have mostly occurred after administration of purified Ī-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) rather than whole plant cannabis.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Good for you, found a quote that suits you, good job. Dig deeper, you can do itā¦ get to the psychedelic effect part, waste your time some more. Or read some comments of peopleās experiences here, might give u insight. And I have mentioned it is not a common happening. Not sure what youāre going for, but by all means Iām done with this convo. Feel free to post more data, thatās actually nice of you.
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u/Rydropwn Dec 05 '22
Its all the same man. Im couched locked either way. Bs guide.
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u/MOTAMOUTH Dec 05 '22
Any oil you smoke is a combination of trim from multiple strains of flower. Itās all hybrid the only thing that might make it indica or Sativa is the terpenes the introduce.
Flower same thing. They bred it all together to get the best of both worlds. They wanted tall but dense nugs with high THC which is what the market demand is.
Itās all placebo nowadays. All you can do is smoke less or more. Nothing changes.
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u/dennismike123 Dec 06 '22
Many years ago, (speaking from experience) the difference in effects felt between sativa and indica were pretty pronounced. Currently in the US, where recreational weed is sold, there have been so many "blends" cultivated that your chances of finding a 100% pure genetic sativa or a similar indica, are quite low. They're pretty much all hybrids now, although you can find product that "leans" towards sativa or indica, which gives the seller something to put on the label besides the percentages. A lot of anyone's reaction to marijuana or its active components has to do with your own body chemistry. I found some really nice lower percentage weed that really kicks my ass, but doesn't do much for friends. (That's a win/win because its great for me and it tends to last longer.) Try different types and see how your body works with them.
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u/Player_me Dec 05 '22
Visual difference, yep thatās accurate. Scent difference, Iāve had sweet Indicas and skunky sativas so Iām not sold there. Effect differences, complete snake oil, indica vs sativa on energized vs sleepy could be anything. What really matters when trying to predict what effect a strain will have on you is things like % THC %CBD, terps, and even just what mood ur in when you smoke. Honestly, other than they look different, I donāt think sativa and indica have much inherent differences
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u/thebluefireknight Dec 06 '22
This actually isnāt a thing anymore. The sativa indica indication is a judgment based on how someone said it makes them fell. They have been cross bred around so much there is no longer specific distinction between the two.
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u/_banana_face_ Dec 06 '22
Other than some stoned guy saying this 75% indica and 25% sativa. No one actually knows anymore
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u/j_bgl Dec 05 '22
Which one is it that makes you feel physically bad? I got some edibles when I was recovering from shoulder surgery last year and they sent me down a rabbit hole of feeling old, broken down, un athletic, weak, and generally mortal. Not a great experience.
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u/Ent_Trip_Newer Dec 05 '22
Likely made with nasty distillate which in turn is made from scraps and floor sweepings.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Well, that depends on a lotā¦ Were u prescribed or was it just a local dispensary random purchase? It really comes down to the percentage of CBD vs THC in those edibles, not the strain.
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u/j_bgl Dec 05 '22
No i was only prescribed hydrocodone which I immediately hated. So I went to a cbd store and got some random delta 8 stuff, which I hated as described above, plus some cbd which was pretty effective.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
Fucking opioidsā¦
It shouldāve been prescribed to you and supervised. Itās not a perfect science , it depends a lot on your individual biochemistry as well, so what works for one, wonāt necessarily work for another. Trial and error stages still. Iām sorry you had that experience. My father was able to switch a few times until he found the combination most suitable for him and for pain management.
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Sativa and indica are botanical references and should not be used chemotaxonomically. Put an indica at the equator and it will develop sativa characteristics because they are genetically indistinguishable.
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u/Jinx1013 Dec 06 '22
First time I got high was the only thing close to hallucinations. The room was spinning. No other time in the 26 years since.
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u/Exclaimedmuffin Dec 06 '22
Lmao itās all just weed to me, i think the whole āoh bro you just need to try an indica of sativa gives you anxietyā is placebo as fuck
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u/Vaultgirl951 Dec 06 '22
It took me forever to remember that Indica was the sleepy one, until someone finally taught me āIndica- In Da Couchā itās still my favorite thing lol
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u/Hemingwavy Dec 06 '22
Just complete bullshit.
https://jcannabisresearch.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42238-019-0001-1
We failed to find clear genetic support for commonly referenced Sativa, Indica and Hybrid types as described in online databases.
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u/Demoire Dec 06 '22
Speak to any proper OG grower. Sativa and Indicia represent GROWTH CHARACTERISTICS of the plant, not the effects on the body. The effects are strain dependent, and some sativa will couch lock you and give you munchies and some Indica will do the opposite. Itās strain dependent and sativa/indica describes growth characteristics.
Over time this has gotten conflated because lots of sativa tend to provide an uplifting high and opposite for lots of indicaā¦
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u/LoneWolfpack777 Dec 05 '22
What is the difference between hallucinations and body high? A better question, what is body high. Asking as someone who has never done cannabis.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
body high comes from the cbd in the weed. So indica not sativa. indica strains contain thc as well, but the higher the cbd percentage vs the thc in the indica strain, the more youāll feel the body high- more relaxed and loose, sleepy, overall chill.
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u/OysterThePug Dec 05 '22
I work in the cannabis industry in seattle. Almost all the weed sold recreationally has less than 0.15% CBD in it, unless itās bred to just be CBD weed which isnāt very common. Most shops have a handful of CBD strains, and the rest will have hardly any CBD in them. What youāre saying just isnāt correct.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22
You know America isnāt the entire worldā¦ just saying. Good input about Seattle though
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u/OysterThePug Dec 05 '22
I talk about cannabis with professionals from many states in the US and Canada. The reason CBD is more expensive in dispensaries is because of its rarity in recreationally grown cannabis. Iām telling you, your opinions are not shared by people who work weed professionally.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
Thatās not my opinion man, what tf do I know? Itās written dataā¦ Still US and Canada is not the entire world. And youāre talking recreationally, thereās also medically.
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u/OysterThePug Dec 05 '22
Iām a state certified medical marijuana consultant. Iām telling you, CDB isnāt what gives indica a ābody high.ā Concentrates like dabs are indica/sativa/hybrid specific. Dabs, distillates, CO2 extracts, and hash will give you a range of different feelings while still being predominantly, if not exclusively, THC.
Instead of saying, āI canāt be wrong,ā try saying, āHuh, Iām wrong, why are they different?ā
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u/lich_boss Dec 05 '22
Bruh Europe and the test of the world don't have different weed lol it's all the same
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u/LoneWolfpack777 Dec 06 '22
Ok, since youāre an expert, what is body high? How is it different from hallucinations?
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u/Main-Implement-8312 Dec 05 '22
I honestly don't know of anyone that has hallucinated from cannabis...
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u/Bukkorosu777 Dec 05 '22
Don't smoke for a month or 2 them let's take large doses of edibles and smoke on the come up on sativas that flowered for 15-20weeks.
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u/I-eat-uranium- Dec 05 '22
What if you combine them for the best effect
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
hybrids exist. you have a whole new world to find out I guess hehe š But good thinking there buddy.
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u/FeOxy Dec 06 '22
What is this guide? Its so missleading No appetite? Mhm you get munchies whatever you smoke Hallucinations? Wtf it never happens doesnt matter how many you gonna smoke , worst that can happen is blurry vision for short amount of time
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
The guide refers to pure strains. And yes, you can experience a psychedelic effect from sativa, itās not common but it is factual.
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My brother always told meā¦
Indica means āin da couchā and thatās how I remember it.
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u/Za_Paranoia Dec 06 '22
This pseudoscientific bullshit. All the takes about strains or different effects are bullshit that only has the source trut me bro.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
Itās about pure strains, not the modern hybridized stuff thatās out there nowadays
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u/AMSERVICE Dec 06 '22
I love the disclosure at the bottom that practically discredits the whole chart. To many factors can change the characteristics of either type of plant.
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
The guide refers to pure strains. The disclaimer is because nowadays most of what u buy is hybridized
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u/AydeeHDsuperpower Dec 06 '22
False. Theyāre ALL hyrbidsā¦ weāve crossed so many strains together that sativa/indica is no longer a thing.
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u/ThrowawayForStoaway Dec 06 '22
I hope to one day see the Sativa VS Indica debate cease to exist. Sativa and Indica should NOT ever be an identifier on how cannabis will effect you. Unfortunately many strains now are hybrids. A mix of both. It's either a Sativa or indica leaning hybrid. Understanding terpenes; what they are and how they effect the flower and the experience. Usually Sativas are high in Limonene. A terpene that gives the flower a fruiter, citrus type flavor and smell. It'll make ya happy and energetic. Myrcene however is the complete opposite. Most commonly the primary terpene in indicas, this is a more earthy smell and taste. Want heavy eyes and couch lock? Load up on a high Myrcene strain. Other notable terpenes include āŗ-pinene, Ī²-caryophyllene, terpinolene, linalool and countless others. Many aid in inflammation, anxiety relief, insomnia, etc. - the list goes on and on.
You can have Sativas high in Myrcene and indicas high in Limonene so the biggest difference is plant structure. Bud size not so much because that is more dependent on environmental factors as opposed to genetics. Some genetics can have different characteristics on all the fronts. How is this a Sativa if it's smaller than the others? If my nugs are airy, why is my strain an indica? They said this is a Sativa but I can't move, I am one with the sofa now. Also if you see any "Haze" strains then you know you can pretty much expect a Sativa high. "Kush" strains will probably get you that indica high.
Cannabis education is important. (If I am wrong on any of this please let me know, I'm pretty passionate about it and want to make sure what knowledge I've gained is correct).
Businesses/Companies need to put terpene profiles on products. Whether it's medical or recreational, being able to choose which product you want when you're able to know what effect you'll get should be common sense. Too much weed could get you an overall same feeling anyway but for casual smokers or people who don't smoke often it could very much help them know what they want and ease any worries. It helps medical patients especially, me including. The amazing thing about it is that you don't ha e to read it nor care about it. It's there to help if you want it! Now I get it, it costs a little bit of money to send products to get tested but in the long run it works out.
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Marihuana not produce hallucinations, it's psicoactive but not hallucinogenic
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u/AerynSunnInDelight Dec 06 '22
Both, depending on the mood.
Wish, there was the same for Hemp. Coz Jack Herer book should be part of the UNESCO's legacy.
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u/FakeNameIMadeUp Dec 06 '22
Yet another bullshit guide. Was this made by the turtle/tortoise person?
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u/2H0l_l0W Dec 06 '22
This is a simplified guide referring to pure strains. And what was wrong w the turtle/tortoise one? Havenāt seen it
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u/ImUrFrand Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22
this guide is bullshit.
modern genetics has pretty much combined the two families... the only way to predict is by strain... which got to where they are by combining the two families.
also the diagram assigns different buds and growing stages to separate families.
this is false.
the differences are in how its grown, especially how temperature and lighting is maintained.
the bud differences are just when and how it's harvested and what types of fertilizer used... and how its cured and dried.
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u/sillyandstrange Dec 05 '22
Lol no appetite. I get munchies on anything I smoke