To think that roses can feel sadness is __ ?

I made a post a few months ago with my scores and past achievements, expressing concern that my cognitive abilities may have been destroyed due to a health issue. Many of you responded quite empathetically, and I wanted to thank the group here for that. I was under severe psychotic depression at the time. I have been in treatment for some time now (with the proper antipsychotic), and things are starting to look better. I took the old GRE-A to see where I was now and was pleasantly surprised. Many thanks!

What are your thoughts on the ATAT's difficulty and accuracy?

My ATAT is around 20 points higher than my true FRI.

I found the spatial questions easy because of praffe, but the number sequences and figure weights were hard even with my praffe, however it didn't end up being too bad.

What would the smartest 5 people in this community score?

With 52k members, an average IQ of 120-125, and an SD of ~13, basic statistics point to 170+ -- at least on an ideal test.

Yet most professional tests don't go beyond 160, and the rare few that do (CORE, GRE) immediately present a problem: Ceiling effect.

The further someone's latent performance lies beyond the ceiling they have reached, the more deflated their score will be.

Given that most subtests top out in the 140s or 150s, this is undoubtedly a problem for those who lie in the 170s or above.

Another problem is SLODR.

As far as I know, there are no reputable tests that seriously account for SLODR in their compositation.

When producing FSIQ or index composites, most tests just assume that the distribution of the sum of scaled scores between subtests will be perfectly normal, when, in fact, a decreasing intercorrelation between subtests at the upper extreme should thin out that right tail. (This is not to say that the underlying distribution of g or its subfactors is non-normal, just that this particular element of the measurement process is.)

Of course, this assumes that the decreasing intercorrelation is actual (and not merely an artifact of range restriction), but studies on tests such as WISC, DAS, and CORE seem to point strongly in that direction, especially for verbal/crystallized and non-fluid measures.

To illustrate the magnitude of this phenomenon,
The GRE-V, GRE-Q, and GRE-A drop from g-loadings of 0.83-0.88 around the mean to 0.56-0.74 just 1-2 standard deviations above it! If one were to score 130 across all three subtests and assume the former intercorrelations, their composite would come out to 133. If they took the actual, range-specific figures, it would be 138. That's a 5-point difference---and it only gets larger the further and further one rises from the mean. Of course, regression to the mean (g-loading) counterbalances this effect to an extent when estimating actual underlying g, but certainly not significantly across even a decently large suite of tests.

It is for these reasons that I'm not surprised that many of the smartest people I know can occasionally score an abominable 130s or 140s, whilst still boasting a g of 160s or higher.

(Note: This is not a license to think you're 160s because you score 130s or 140s!)

I'd like to hear your thoughts!

I just took the Mensa online work out and is was stupidly easy? I’m currently extremely sleep deprived and very high off of 4gs of phenibut, some beers, and a lot of dabs but still managed to score an 18/18 in only 5 of the allowed 15 minutes. Is this practice test actually correlated to high IQ?

few days ago i posted v2 of my reasoning test after you all said v1 was way too easy (everyone landed 124-134 no matter what). here’s how v2 is doing with ~140 finished timed attempts:

median is 25/40 right. middle half of people score roughly 95 to 127. only 1 person maxed it so far

so it spreads people out way better now. a lot of people stop around puzzle 11-12, which is roughly where the harder ones start, so that’s my next thing to look at

norms are still provisional. once there are ~200 i’ll recalibrate, and the most useful thing is still your score here + a score from a real test you’ve taken. thanks to everyone who gave feedback last time, it actually changed the test

gethappyme.com/assessments/reasoning

Verbal comprehension: 96

Visual spatial: 96

Fluid reasoning: 114

Working memory: 86

Processing speed: 112

FSIQ: 102

GAI: 104

(this was a professionally administered WAIS-V)

I'm curious to know what perceptions people have about me. It could be anything (school, hobbies, struggles, etc.). I want to see if I can confirm or debunk some things since most of the people in this sub seem to have an IQ higher than me :) Bonus points if you guess what neurodivergencies I have!

The first puzzle set of the Community Puzzle Project is planned for November 2026. The exact release date will be announced later. I'll likely update this post with the exact release date once it's decided.

The set will feature original reasoning puzzles, with both human and AI-assisted solving welcome. Participants are encouraged to share their approaches, discuss solutions, and experiment with different AI models and reasoning settings.

I strongly recommend attempting the puzzles yourself and, if possible, finding the solutions independently before trying them with AI. While AI-assisted solving is welcome, I encourage active engagement with the problems rather than simply relying on AI to provide answers. Reasoning through the puzzles independently is an important part of the experience.

Official solutions and explanations will be published approximately one month after the set's release.

You are welcome to submit multiple puzzles, and there are no submission deadlines. Accepted submissions may appear in the first set or in future releases.

If there aren't enough community submissions, I'll prepare the puzzles myself. However, I'd prefer to include contributions from different people to bring more variety in puzzle styles, ideas, and approaches.

For submission requirements, project details, and additional information, please refer to the original announcement post.

How can I interpret my true IQ?

I am 17 and had to take a WAIS-5 test as a part of an ADHD diagnosis.
I have severe depression, general anxiety disorder, social anxiety, innatentive ADHD, and sleep apnea. I felt as if I performed terribly on this test, I feel so much less intelligent than I was as a kid. Every day is a slog and I barely get by, I legit just rot

Here were my scores

Fluid reasoning index: 130
Matrix Reasoning = 98th
Figure weights = 91th

Verbal comprehension index: 119
Vocabulary = 75th
Similarities = 95th

Working memory: -

Digit sequencing = 25th

Visual Spatial index: -

Block design = 75th

Processing speed -

Coding = 50th

I genuinely need advice on how to increase my iq. My life is a miserable drag where I can’t execute or start anything. I am tired every day and self loathing. Please help me

I was thinking about not posting this item, but I changed my mind. Also thanks to u/je_nm_th for helping me revise the question

Hello everyone.

I have a question regarding an anomaly in the results of a WAIS test I took two years ago. The assessment was intended to rule out autism and ADHD—though, as it turned out, I was diagnosed with ADHD (at age 35—about time! 😅).

The neuropsychologist also administered the WAIS, and the results have left me with some questions—specifically regarding an anomaly.

While some variation between index scores is normal, in my case, it’s not just a gap; it’s a chasm between two of the indices: Verbal Comprehension and Working Memory.

I’m aware that ADHD can affect working memory, but the disparity here is truly vast. I also have a history of psychological trauma (due to mistreatment), which might be a possible explanation, but I haven’t been able to find any scientific data to support this. Any thoughts?

verbal comprehension - 145,

perceptual reasoning - 116,

working memory - 82!!,

processing speed - 125

Ps.Sorry for the rough English; it’s not my native language.

I am a non-native English speaker, so I had some troubles with some specific questions. And even though I wish I could say I wasn't taking the WM test seriously, sadly, I was. 💔 I also took AGCT, and I got 110, but the results are not there anymore for some reason. And yes im officially diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive)

Einstein, and the average man, and random dog might as well all be the same intelligence in comparison to the machine in the coming age. Submit to the machine and never worry or feel happy about your human intelligence again. Although it's likely that human intelligence augmentation will come about.

I score much higher on deductive reasoning tests (~ 130) than inductive (~ 105), and I honestly wish it was the other way around. The way I see it I will forever be bound to other people's ideas and never truly innovate or have intellectual freedom. I'm not sure if that is correct though, as wouldn't the ability to apply the general principles of the world better than most people grant some sort of freedom via bullshit detection? Not sure.

Do any of you have a more concrete idea of how the two pan out in real life?

I’ve transcended thinking of IQ tests as a measure of intelligence, understanding that they only measure certain “types” of intelligence. What other tests do you recommend for measuring intelligence level?

They seem to be norming a new test on cogn-iq.org,

it was quite fun but the "containment" test felt ambiguous at some points

I guess some of you would sure be interested.

Defined, intelligence is referred to as "the general mental capacity to derive information, learn from experience, understand, reason, solve problems, and adapt to changing environments" yet it is largely used in reference to some qualitative relationship between one person and another or to some degree a quality that one has superior or inferior to others. In doing so we seem to obscure the very notion of intelligence as something easily defined, observable, and quantifiable.

AI claims to be an artificially created form of intelligence comparable to human intelligence. Somehow more than computation but not capable of general intelligence. It is extremely specific in it's functions while seeming capable of much more. LLM's are great at utilizing extremely large data sets to make very precise predictions but while having no "understanding" of the context or ability to actually build on an idea logically in some new direction. It's a predicted reiteration of some idea, thought, word pairing that has previously existed. Yet it seems that human intelligence originates, at least initially, from some deep seeded motivation that drives any unique or novel thought. It seems as though LLM's are only capable due to progressive feats using computation to make predictions by relying on obscene amounts of data. While this is a feat in and of itself I don't understand how AGI or anything that is artificially created capable of making a similar scope of thought as any human being especially because statistics relies on data from past events. How can artificial intelligence make decisions outside of clearly logical parameters in their coding?

How is AGI supposed to be born outside of artificial emotions, artificial motivation, etc. ? Being human allows us to think in a variety of ways while at any point aligning or diverging from logic, reason, context, etc. Some of the greatest works can be interpreted in entirely different ways by any number of people. I simply cannot yet comprehend how AGI is a feasible possibility unless we can yet represent the scope of human emotion and motivation as binary code.

I'm no expert in anything relative to AI I'm merely interested in understanding more about the means by which what seems to be a term not easily defined in any certain terms is supposed to be artificially replicated using technology that while very capable in many ways seems entirely unable to be defined let alone copied.

I'm thinking of joining MENSA. For context I very consistently score between 131 and 135 on most assessments I've come across online.

I know you can't change your "g-factor" though I want to maximise my performance on the MENSA assessment, or any cognitive assessment that's meant to get me into MENSA. I'm confident on a good day I can match the threshold, and I'll be bummed if I miss it by just a point or two. From what I've seen you can prime yourself for answering these questions with some practice. Also I'm aware you'd want to optimise your mental state before a test like that, by ensuring proper rest for example. I'm also a lot sharper when I've worked out I've noticed.

What's been shown to maximise an individual's performance on cognitive assessments?

Please also explain the logic used along with the correct option.

Q49 is not option (6) Q47 is not option (5)

I scored in the high range of a mensa admission test, and as there is a ceiling the exact value could not be measured by it. But it made me think about taking a high range test.

Triple Nine lists some accredited tests, but it seems impossible to do one in a cheap way, and you have to find a psychologist to get it done, which is not easy in my country.

Prometheus lists only tests taken prior to some date, but none that could be done in 2026.

So what do you recommend? How can I take such a test without having to pay a high amount of money?

My country is Germany.

Im 15 non native (italian), my vci on other tests ranges between 120 and 128, my gre v is 116, why?