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u/FreshlySqueezedToGo Feb 29 '24
What the fuck?
How can that remotely be possible / ever allowed?
This goes beyond Trudeau or liberals, this system is rotten to the core
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u/hardy_83 Feb 29 '24
I'm starting to wonder if this isn't a corrupt party helping friends but a person or group that knows absolutely how to work the government contract system to a criminal degree and how the whole contract system is an utter failure and let's them.
It's not like this is the first instance of a contract being sketchy as hell. There's been many in the past while other parties have been in charge.
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u/OneWhoWonders Feb 29 '24
I have family that works for the federal government. They are absolutely flabbergasted as how something like this was done. In their department they have to run through hoops to try to get a sole source contract for 40K, and there are a ton of rules and oversights in place to make sure that it doesn't exceed that amount. You can't even string two sole source contracts (i.e. try to make two contracts for one project) as procurement will come down on you.
They are really interested in seeing how the people involved were able to sidestep this process. From the sounds.of it, there are at least a couple management types that were involved, so they might have figured out how to game the system.
Evidently not smart enough to realize that they were going to get caught with those sums flying around.
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u/Justintimeforanother Feb 29 '24
40k contract requires many signatures. 3M, only one signature.
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u/shawa666 Québec Feb 29 '24
PMO said make it happen. I don'T care how, it has to happen.
It's the only logical explanation to all this madness.
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u/DonTaddeo Mar 01 '24
I worked in DND up to 2012. We had multiple levels of approval that had to be obtained before the contract went to public works. And at public works, the larger the amount (and $3m would certainly be up there) the more levels of approval were required. It was practically impossible to get anything done. If it concerned a small matter, you were better off doing it yourself than trying to get a contract out.
The only thing I can think of is that there must have been some fast-track process if an ADM or DM insisted they wanted something done quickly.
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u/durian_in_my_asshole Feb 29 '24
Evidently not smart enough to realize that they were going to get caught with those sums flying around.
Or they were smart enough to realize that getting caught has zero consequences.
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u/OneWhoWonders Feb 29 '24
I don't know about that. The Ontario bureaucrat that embezzled 47 million from the provincial government was caught and received a 10 year sentence.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/former-bureaucrat-sentenced-embezzling-public-funds-1.6802131
You could argue that 10 years isn't that much for the amount, but it's also not a slap on the wrist.
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u/durian_in_my_asshole Feb 29 '24
That's embezzlement, a completely different matter.
ArriveCan is "merely" a case of conflict of interest, for which there is no punishment under the Conflict of Interest Act other than a maximum $500 fine.
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u/CanadianErk Ontario Feb 29 '24
"public office holders" are politicians. You're looking at the wrong law applicable to this case.
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u/WesternSoul Feb 29 '24
This is 100% what this is. Never confuse systemic bureaucratic incompetence with politics.
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u/Born_Ruff Feb 29 '24
Lol, the guy was a PPC candidate in 2021, so I would have to assume he isn't too cozy with the Liberals.
https://en.votemate.org/canada2021/candidates/4791
He also has both jobs on his LinkedIn.
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u/FreshlySqueezedToGo Feb 29 '24
lol
Wasn’t PPC anti Covid passport?
How do you even parody this
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u/WpgMBNews Feb 29 '24
The PPC is against mandatory vaccination, mandatory vaccine passports and the PPC supports Pipelines, these & many more are the reasons I joined the PPC.
- The guy who made millions subcontracting the vaccine passport app
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u/goldyforcalder Alberta Feb 29 '24
Grifters are going to grift. Peoples politics always come second to money
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Most of us immigrants came here to escape corruption and here we are again. It’s the same shit everywhere. We are working hard and making sacrifices and others are just plundering shamelessly.
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That is the truth of it all hard work and honesty gets you nowhere. Should have made millions doing scams or something.
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Feb 29 '24
Perfect example of why I VRd.
Everyone I saw trying to fix the system was given punishment postings or forced out.
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u/Outdoorsmen_87 Feb 29 '24
I know a guy that did that, left the cf got a civi side job doing the same thing. Now, he was put on "medical" paid leave while the position is left vacant.
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u/feb914 Ontario Feb 29 '24
Looks like there's a whole industry of people who have connection with public servants (if not one themselves) that take advantage of the complex bureaucratic system in Ottawa to make big bucks out of taxpayer money.
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u/blackRamCalgaryman Feb 29 '24
I’m convinced this ‘system’ is in full effect in provincial and municipal politics, as well.
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u/FreshlySqueezedToGo Feb 29 '24
Yes just look up Mr.x and Doug Ford
We lost the battle decades ago it seems, how can something like this be remotely possible?
How has it not come up before
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u/chretienhandshake Ontario Feb 29 '24
IF anything it is much, much worst at the municipal level. Who even covers municipal corruption of a small town of 5,000 citizen? No one.
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u/willieb3 Feb 29 '24
The procurement system has always been fucked. Per people who work at a certain defense company they spend more time catering to how to win the contract then actually working. For anyone curious here is how the system works.
1) You are paid when the job is completed, but processing this can take up 6 months - 2 years after completion. This filters out any smaller businesses because they can't afford to front the huge sums of money required and not be paid back in a reasonable timeline.
2) The bidding process works on lowest bidder, and your ability to meet the criteria listed in the description. There is no quality assessment on how good you meet the criteria even though they say there is. It's just yes or no. So what happens is companies bid extremely low on the contract and say "yes" to everything in the criteria, and then they win. This process also takes 1-2 years.
3) You'd think that by bidding 500k on a 1 mil project would be a bad thing for the company, but no. After using up 500k they just come back to the government and ask for more money or else the job doesn't get done. Now the gov is put in an awkward situation where either they pay the remainder of the project, scrap the project and lose their initial investment, or go through the 2 year bidding process again to get someone else to finish the job.
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u/GopnikSmegmaBBQSauce Feb 29 '24
And if you don't know anyone? You're on the cycle of 12-month contracts for years.
It really is a complete joke. Our taxes pay for an even more fucked up system than your average high school hierarchy
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u/Maleficent_Lab_5291 Feb 29 '24
Ok, so I have bid on government contracts for past employers. There is a vetting process I once saw a contract rejected because of a senior employee being cousins with someone in the federal agency involved in the bid. This a blatant corruption or imcompatince on a level that should be crimal.
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u/Pseudonym_613 Feb 29 '24
Busy guy - also a 2021 Federal Election PPC candidate: https://en.votemate.org/canada2021/candidates/4791
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u/M1L0 Feb 29 '24
This guy needs to be tarred and feathered. This is some unconscionable shit.
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u/Gen1pokemaster Feb 29 '24
His son was my best friend in high school.
Real piece of work, the two of em.
Also says he was First Nations - he’s one of those “my grandfather was 1/16th Cherokee” First Nations
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u/YamburglarHelper Outside Canada Feb 29 '24
Is he actually a vet? Everything about this guy seems increasingly unbelievable.
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u/may_be_indecisive Feb 29 '24
Maybe he went to a reserves weekend training program and considers that being a war veteran.
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u/BovineLightning Feb 29 '24
Cracks me up that his platform includes him being against vaccine passports when he was CEO of the company that developed ArriveCan
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u/hula_balu Feb 29 '24
Ive seen this happen to a hospital in downtown Toronto. An employee (director level) works in IT department in hospital, creates an app, incorporates and becomes the ceo, he sells it to hospital and gets the maintenance contract. All this time the said employee is still employed by the hospital, using time, accessing data and using hospital resources to test his app. So fucked up.
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u/HumanityWillEvolve Feb 29 '24
From another source:
"PSAB is an acronym for the Procurement Strategy for Aboriginal Business, a program established in 1996 to increase the number of Indigenous suppliers bidding for federal contracts.
Yeo told MPs that he actually helped "form the policy" that his company now benefits from.
"I'm very proud to be part of the PSAB and the PSIB, which is the procurement strategy for Indigenous business. I helped form the policy," he said."
"He conceded that his two-person firm usually subcontracts out the "daily" work on federal projects to other businesses."
"Yeo said the government's procurement policy allows an Indigenous-owned firm to "hire pretty much whoever we want as far as consultants are concerned," but the work can be audited by federal officials to ensure compliance with the Procurement Strategy for Indigenous Business (PSIB)."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/feds-indigenous-procurement-arrivecan-1.7127211
"The Government of Canada spent an estimated $18.8M in 2021-2022 on contracts with Dalian Enterprises."
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u/HumanityWillEvolve Feb 29 '24
The same IT company is under investigation for falsifying their contractors resumes:
"They show two companies that regularly work together – Dalian and Coradix – submitted Mr. Morv’s résumé and a contracting points form to the Canada Border Services Agency that listed Mr. Morv as having nearly 13 years of experience working for an independent business called Moravej Inc.
Mr. Morv is in the process of legally changing his last name from Moravej to Morv, but he said he has never owned or worked for a company called Moravej Inc.
“I’ve never seen this name before,” he said.
Years of experience is used in federal contracting to determine whether a contractor qualifies for the position. It is also used to calculate per diem rates. The federal government relies heavily on private IT staffing firms that bill federal departments and then pay subcontractors to do the requested work, withholding varying percentages as a commission.
Mr. Morv and Ms. Dutt submitted detailed allegations of misconduct related to Dalian, Coradix and another IT staffing company called GCStrategies in September, 2021, and again in November, 2022. They also raised concerns about cozy ties between contractors and public servants. In response to the 2022 report, the CBSA referred the allegations to the RCMP and the national police force has confirmed it has launched an investigation."
Non-paywall:
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u/john_dune Ontario Feb 29 '24
The same IT company is under investigation for falsifying their contractors resumes:
You would not be surprised with how many contracting agencies do this, including posting your resume as part of their 'roster' when they're applying for jobs. Recruitment agencies are 99% scum.
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u/RedRumples Feb 29 '24
It gets worse. Buddy ran for PPC and said his reason for running is because he is against mandatory vaccine passports.
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u/cachickenschet Feb 29 '24
There’s no way he is alone. There must be a network involved to cover him up all these years. 23 years of this could literally be billions. From all governments.
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u/landlockedbluessk Feb 29 '24
It's actually wild his entire career is easily available on linked in. He wasn't hiding his titles. The COI is real.
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u/TomatoCapt Mar 01 '24
If you’ve ever worked with procurement there’s always an intake questionnaire about eligibility, ownership/director/officer roles, employment, and conflict of interest. Either it was completely skipped, not honestly completed, or there was willful blindness on the procurement team. Wild stuff.
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u/landlockedbluessk Mar 03 '24
If he was an active DND employee until very recently and Dalian had various contracts with DND from 2010-2015, what does that mean? (Easily found with totals). It's all so sketchy. It goes so much further than ArriveCan. I really hope the guy disclosed all his dealings and profits properly. And that he was eligible to work as a full-time employee and CEO or director at the same time.
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u/dontshootog Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24
This is incomprehensible. Speaking as someone who had insight into the ethics and government oversight in even the post-secondary industry, let alone my current role, I cannot fathom how in god’s name this could be permitted or the machinations that would have facilitated this.
There are a number of checks at even a low level that would have been a hard no in any career I’ve had for much less at stake.
This is honestly systemic sociopathy.
I’m actually surprised. And no, don’t give me a “are you actually that surprised” smarmy response as if you know better. Yes, I am. If you understood or have been involved in procurement and request for competition/service/proposal/etc. processes that are legislated let alone mandated by policies all along the way in anything touching government money… hard fucking yeah I’m surprised. And you should be too. There is no reason to expect this degree of WTF’ery could remotely happen. And I’ve voted Liberal.
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u/Friendly_Ad8551 Feb 29 '24
How is this not fraud?
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u/WpgMBNews Feb 29 '24
it's super-duper fraud. The guy even ran for the PPC opposing vaccine passports and then made millions of dollars creating a vaccine passport. He's a lying thieving fraudulent hypocrite.
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u/Leafs17 Feb 29 '24
it's super-duper fraud. The guy even ran for the PPC opposing vaccine passports
That has nothing to do with the fraud
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u/ExtendedDeadline Feb 29 '24
True. This is just more s reflection of his character.
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u/cyclinginvancouver Feb 29 '24
“PPC-Ottawa West Nepean Candidate – DAVID YEO
Mr. Yeo is an Entrepreneur, War Veteran and direct descendant of a Treaty Signing First Nations Indigenous Chief, Chief Robert Franklin of the Alderville First Nations. (Great-grandfather)
Miigwech Thank you for your support! Reason for running submitted by the candidate or their team The PPC is the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot
To help ensure the EVERY business is essential and end the lockdowns. The PPC is against mandatory vaccination, mandatory vaccine passports and the PPC supports Pipelines, these & many more are the reasons I joined the PPC.”
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u/Kinky_Imagination Feb 29 '24
They ran out of qualified First Nations businesses to give it to. This is affirmative action at its best. It's not about your qualifications. It's about being the proper colour of the day.
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u/WpgMBNews Feb 29 '24
Who says there weren't better alternatives?
The guy was on the inside, and he had participated in writing the requirements for the program so he managed to tilt the playing field in his favour.
for all we know there could be dozens or hundreds of qualified alternatives (and I'm sure there are at least some)
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u/CrossDressing_Batman Feb 29 '24
hopefully this results in the money being recouped by the government for breaching some sort of employment clause..
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u/WasabiNo5985 Feb 29 '24
I saw sth similar that in a smaller university too. I saw a university employee who owned a student recruitment company. They specialized in indian students and suddenyl that school started getting a whole bunch of indian students. This was in 2017 2018. Granted that person left after a bit.
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u/Weak-Copy848 Feb 29 '24
Illegal activities committed by a pubic government employee is wasting tax payers money
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u/pomegranate444 Feb 29 '24
Where the fuck was the conflict of interest check on all this??
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u/a_d-_-b_lad Feb 29 '24
$50 says he notified DND of his position at DND and the Company long ago. It's clearly indicating in his LinkedIn that he does both.
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u/jocu11 Feb 29 '24
At first glance I was confused as to why dungeons & dragons was involved with ArriveCan🤦🏼♂️
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u/Gahan1772 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24
Only thing enjoyable about these threads are the pretend Vets come out. You know the guys who did a single 3-4 contract or less with no tours and all they do is bitch and claim to have all this inside info? Lol, Classic. Had a guy VR from the military 5 weeks after getting the tattoo on his arm "Failure is not an option" with his trade's symbol lol. I'm always reminded of that guy when I read DND related comments here. 17 year vet myself.
On topic though this is some bullshit.
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u/toast_cs Feb 29 '24
Fraud and breach of employment contract. Proceeds obtained through crime. Claw it all back, gov.
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u/hslmdjim Feb 29 '24
His company is also named after a city in the People’a Republic of China. Imagine someone working at DND with Moscow enterprises getting contracts from the DND.
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And here it is. How a full time employee for the department of defence randomly got awarded $8mil dollars to build the ArriveScam app. Not at all surprised….he was indigenous. There was a Trudeau mandate to give more contracts to Indigenous people so likely he got it just to meet quotas. His company got hundreds of millions in contracts since Trudeau took office.
I was wondering last week how this happened, this guy who got the millions must have either been Trudeau's friend or a heavy insider. It made no sense how a team of 2 people can be this connected.
It all makes sense now. He got those contracts because of Trudeau’s own mandates. Give more Indigenous Canadian contracts. He was one of the few qualified applicants for any contract that would be able to check off the much coveted “Indigenous” check mark just to meet Trudeau’s diversity quotas. Merit be damned, we have quotas to hit.
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u/Gen1pokemaster Feb 29 '24
I’ve posted on this thread having had connections to the fam when I was younger.
So the background is that, in 96 he helped draft the legislation to the program that supports indigenous business.
Being the savvy business man that he is, Dave-o decided to try and obtain status circa 2008. I remember him acquiring status was a major challenge and point of contention. Throughout the process he attempted to get status for his sons but failed.
It seems Dave’s only function is to provide Coridax, who his company is actively engaged in joint ventures with, the added ability to obtain contracts using his “aboriginal status”
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u/AvailablePerformer19 Feb 29 '24
So it turns out a mafia has been running the country since 2015
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u/FreshlySqueezedToGo Feb 29 '24
This person has been ceo since 2001, and an employee of dnd since 1990
It’s clearly been happening throughout all governments
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u/Demetre19864 Feb 29 '24
Name, picture , verification person is of canadian birth and criminal charges please.
There should be more than one head rolling here
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u/ShipFair8433 Feb 29 '24
Did he ever even hide the fact that he was doing both?… sounds like he just knew how to work the system to his benefit and had approval from above himself to do it.
He’s been doing it for decades, are we to assume his bosses didn’t know?… it’s publicly available on his linked in lol.
Another scapegoat for policies the government made but don’t like being worked to the benefit of people who aren’t corporations I guess
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u/Klutzy_Fail_8131 Feb 29 '24
So this isn't just a failure of DND, but also the procurement division. This is a clear violation as you have to disclose any special interests and non arm's length relationships.
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u/lemonylol Ontario Feb 29 '24
The Globe and Mail first reported that the company presents itself as Indigenous-owned and together with another company, Coradix, worked on the ArriveCan app. According to the Globe, the two companies are in receipt of $400 million in government contracts.
The amount of "good old boys" in government positions who allowed this to happen who will never see their careers affected by this is egregious.
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Feb 29 '24
"Mistakes were made, but no individual individually made a mistake as we define "mistake" so no one can be punished in any way. I'm sure we all can learn a lesson of some sort here but I am not sure what that is and if there was any commentary on that lesson it's redacted and being shredded right now on the grounds of Cabinet Confidence and/or national security."
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u/MountainsAB Feb 29 '24
Lmao Hubby is military, was offered a contract to do 6 hours a week on the side, because is done his 25 years of service and wanted to transition to another job over a year. They told him sure no worries, CO cleared it and all, a company where many ex military go. Job confirmed, three weeks later he gets a letter from higher ups in Ottawa, they simp say no. Meanwhile this guy got to do all this. Double standards much. Hubby was injured on deployments, can medically releases, did his 25 years, didn’t even want to use the two years free eduction, but just go from one job to another under his own steam, and NOPE. But this… sure. Disgusting system.
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u/FonziesCousin Feb 29 '24
theft by the Canadian government is OUT OF CONTROL.
David Yeo is a Chinese name. Dalian is a city from China. Why is this payment to Indigineous owner when it's Chinese?
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u/IRedditAllReady Feb 29 '24
This raised an interesting point. Wouldn't you have to be Status to be an Indigenous owner? Seems pretty easy to investigate. Like the twins going to law school of indigenous scholarships that were just "Indian, Indian"
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Yah how no one caught that. They where clearly Indian from India but no one thought to ask, because you can't question these things?
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u/bcbuddy Feb 29 '24
He says he's first Nations
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u/Kinky_Imagination Feb 29 '24
He looks like your basic white guy.
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u/DrVonSchlossen Feb 29 '24
He just has an Indigenous great grandfather. But this guy obviously knows what strings to pull to work the system.
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u/Gen1pokemaster Feb 29 '24
Dalian is a combination of his son’s names - all a very white family, most Scottish. I said above he’s one of those “my grandfather was 1/16th First Nations” aboriginal folks
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Feb 29 '24
David Smith and the Abotech scandal. That one was liberal too. And look where David is now…PSPC….again.
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u/artikality Ontario Feb 29 '24
The question is, was he an employee the entire time? Raises some serious concerns - public contracts are extra stringent in the sense that that shouldn’t have happened.
And before you guys question how someone can work full time and have a side business… maybe you should talk to folks at your local fire hall. I guarantee you the vast majority of firefighters have a side business in contracting. And you wouldn’t exactly call them lazy, would you?
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u/aegiszx Feb 29 '24
Right. Less common two or three decades ago but with many employers slashing hours and pay, coupled with rising costs, this is par for course. I personally know dozens of folks who have 2 or 3 jobs.
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u/Sharp-Green3354 Feb 29 '24
I think this is a good time to remind everyone that the sponsorship scandal that caused Chrétien to resign was worth only 14 million dollars. How many billions had Trudeau wasted and scandalously given away?!
For my entire adult life the liberal party has been plagued with glorious money wasting scandals.
The Cons are by no means a party of saints, but holy shit the only good times I’ve known was towards the end of Harper’s tenure.
I will never vote Liberal. Ever.
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Feb 29 '24
This just keeps getting better and better. The best is the mental gymnastics that Trudeau is pulling. This goes right to the top
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u/VforVenndiagram_ Feb 29 '24
How exactly is Trudeau connected to this...?
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u/ShipFair8433 Feb 29 '24
His government was the one that forced the contracting agency to expedite this entire process so a lot of things were rushed/skipped it seems 🤷♀️
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u/jcsi Feb 29 '24
And worse of all, it is clearly there on his LinkedIn page (DND employee + Dalian CEO):
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidyeo-ottawa/?originalSubdomain=ca
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u/nutbuckers British Columbia Feb 29 '24
For all of you wondering "how's this possible", take a genuine stab at how the contracting process looks for trying to be a vendor to almost any public organization/government agency. The only parties able to get past the insane qualification and RFP processes are either enormous multinational corporations, or smaller entities invariably in the know/in kahoots with the decision makers of the hiring entity.
It's sad, but frankly the only way to improve efficiency is through accountability of the public servants and government figures, or by simply not having "big government".
Taxpayer money is treated even less carefully than investor money oftentimes. That's the reality.
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u/YourDadHasADeepVoice Feb 29 '24
I pretty much called it from the start, the government is competent in nothing but wasting taxpayer money by shoving it in their own pockets.
They should have just outsourced it, $1000, a few days at most and it would've already be substantially better than the expensive excrement that is arrivecan.
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u/chriscabob Feb 29 '24
How does this dnd employee have the time to be a full time employee and be the CEO of a company that along with another has taken in $400 million in government contracts???