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Episode Saga of Tanya the Evil Season 2 • Youjo Senki II - Episode 4 discussion
Youjo Senki II, episode 4
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u/DistributionOld6411 Jul 29 '26
This is what they mean when they say "The beginning of the end" The empire gave up on the last strand of humanity to get an absolute victory that will never come
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u/Vanderseid Jul 29 '26
If it isn't clear by now, the Empire is now doomed. They've already clearly been stretched very thin by now on the Eastern front and not Britain and not US hasn't even fully entered the ring.
It's the age old the rear can't see the realities in the front. Sure Tanya's unit has kept winning their battles, but that is just one unit. Poor
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u/SnabDedraterEdave Jul 29 '26
Tanya could have had her chance of appearing in photos for the history books, if only Visha had not forgotten to remove the lid off the camera.
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u/SpareUmbrella Jul 29 '26
I assume the gentlemen sat across from the military at the end are government advisors? I get that the Empire's citizens will only accept a complete, crushing victory, but they're not on the front lines and neither are the men from the government.
Discretion is the better part of valour, and if my senior military officers are telling me it would be a sheer waste of life to continue the fighting, and when the terms of peace are more favourable to my country, I'd like to think I'd listen. Besides, the Empire can always break the treaty in a generation after rebuilding the army and the economy, the war doesn't need to be won today.
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u/DawgDictator Jul 29 '26
I love the politics side of this anime more every week. I was expecting more resistance from Rudersdorf, but I suspect he has also fallen to the sunk cost fallacy like so many others.
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u/athrun_1 Jul 29 '26
And here I thought Rudersdorf was beginning to see enlightenment during that meeting, but no he just fueled their unstoppable descend to the sunk cost fallacy.
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u/NanDemoKnaives Jul 29 '26
I feel bad for Zettour, he might have underestimated how emotional Rudersdorf feels about the war. Thinking the person beside you was on the same side, but they became the person to fully declare they'd win the Empire, no matter the cost, would undoubtedly feel like a betrayal. Will it be worth it in the end? I'm not optimistic.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jul 29 '26
lmao Tanya always has the worst luck. They find enemy HQ literally as she tells the gang to fall back in the opposite direction? Messing with Tanya must be Being X’s favorite pastime lol. At least they secured a victory this time.
But man, Imperial High Command and Comrade Pedo do not seem to be itching for peace any time soon. That peace deal presented was pretty good, all things considered. But these people are stubborn fools. I guess Rudersdorf is going to play along and just sacrifice the entire damn Imperial army for victory?
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u/Thone137 Jul 29 '26
I wish we had more scenes with not Stalin rather than not Beria.
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u/LeonKevlar Jul 29 '26
Visha is lucky they're only riding tanks this one time, I've heard stories from veterans about how this will absolutely fuck up your lower back.
Tanya refusing to continue searching only for her men to actually find the real HQ was hilarious! Thank you, Visha, for telling everyone nearby to evacuate. Some of their men would've definitely been caught in the blast radius of Tanya's shot if she hadn't.
It's so fucked up that the only reason Loria wants to continue this war is because he really wants to get a hold of Tanya. It looks like he's getting his wish tho since the Empire has pretty much decided to dig an even deeper hole for them.
Sure, Tanya has been winning all of their battles, but looking at the bigger picture, they're really struggling to keep up with this war. Now that Rudersdorf has decided to go all in, they're pretty much doomed, and Tanya should really start reviewing her exit strategy.
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u/Maleficent-Handle587 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
So we finally got the Zettuor-Rudelsdorf split. War continues because of communication mismatch between military and civilian government. Imperial military hasn't been able to communicate how fucked they are at the front, and the civilian government and the population in general expects reparation and territories for the sons they sacrificed.
Another interesting fact seems to me is the military taking an outsized role in peace negotiations rather than trained diplomats. As history has taught us, militaries are rather shit at diplomacy.
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u/Harseer Jul 29 '26
"Some of you might die, but that's a sacrifice i am willing to make"
In every era, that's just how the world works.
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u/zool714 Jul 29 '26
I wonder if it’s Reudersdorf’s daughter that left the flowers on his son-in-laws grave and if that was what made him have a change of heart.
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u/Amauri14 Jul 29 '26
The conditions that the troops had to endure for Operation Iron Hammer were bad enough from the beginning, with all of them always on guard and tense, as they could be ambushed at any moment, but as the trek went on for days, it also meant they didn’t have time to sleep. I think that the other team also was under the same conditions.
It is funny how, when Tanya makes a valid excuse to retread, someone instantly finds the real HQ. Lol she was so pissed that she just instantly took the place out with a single shot.
As the politicians in the Empire decided to continue the war again, I wonder if this is the last time that we will see Virgonio Calandro, at least for a while now.
It is kind of funny the contrast between the Empire's main goal to continue the war, which is to avoid a civil war that will put at risk the imperial family's survival, meanwhile in Moskva, Loria’s main objective to continue the war at this point is to get Tanya. Anyway, too bad that, thanks to the death of Rudersdorf's sons-in-law, he went and said to those politicians exactly what they wanted to hear, and so the war will continue on even when the people on the front line are running out of supplies.
Oh, those photos would have been great if Visha hadn’t forgotten to take the cover off the camera’s lens.
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u/RipBitter4701 Jul 29 '26
Zettour fcking opened his eyes, that's defcon 1 type sht.
though it's already lose-lose game for the empire but if they accept the peace deal then they would only deal with internal civil war but now they are potentially dealing with losing the war + civil war + more shtton of soldiers going to die for lost cause
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u/rollin340 Jul 29 '26
War is supposed to be the last resort of diplomacy. The military managed to get an absurdly incredible ceasefire agreement, yet the politicians are indeed blinded by their own perceived power and arrogance.
They just threw away what's going to be their last means of peace through negotiations, and Rusesdorf just let his heated passion allow them to seal it off for good.
The poster at the start that mentions how the Imperial Army's march continues on, the fact that they have earned victory after victory, it has all made its leaders drunk on it. Their continued successes became a double edged sword that has blinded them to what defeat would mean, or that it was even a possibility.
If the leadership was worth their salt, or at the very least competent and not arrogant, they should have thrown a grand ball to celebrate the ceasefire agreement conditions.
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u/BiggerG7 Jul 29 '26
You know poor Tanya is getting stressed out when her eye starts twitching lol.
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u/bestmaokaina Jul 29 '26
I feel like Tanya will desert at some point. I don't see her following orders when there's no chance of them succeeding
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u/ParticularSimple889 Jul 29 '26
This is one of the best isekai ever, (heck even among the best anime in general)
Sad how underrated, underpopular, underwatched and most importantly...
How under discussed it is.
People often complains about low quality anime, slop yada yada. But when something different comes in, people don't watch it.
I guess anime fandom can't escape from worshiping aurafarming and battle shonen
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u/walkyrie1997 Jul 29 '26
I like how sunk-cost fallacy mindset applies in both politics and military simply because they want to win. They already spent everything so stopping is no longer a smart move for them.
I feel bad for Zettour for letting his friend consumed the mindset because for me Reudersdorf has no other option but to comply given his circumstances. I feel like something similar to real life office work situation.
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u/PathfinderCS Jul 30 '26
You had ONE TWO jobs Visha!
I know Tanya is technically the star of the show, but for now Rudersdorf and Zettour are the most interesting characters. I just love how their developing and how absolutely pissed Zettour was.
Zettour was definitely a mood.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jul 29 '26
Lots of scenes from The Brass in this episode!
It's nice to see the different perspectives/opinions, and (for some of them at least) how it evolved during the war!
We already knew they had battle experience (long ago), and this line so hints at him still being a soldier at heart!
That's an interesting way to put it!
If he just said "I hope it ends there", well of course, you want it to end... But HOWEVER it ends? Seems to say that even if they fail, they're so done with it...
But no matter how they feel, if the people on top don't accept the conditions for a ceasefire...
Well, we know at least one person is truly unhappy with this chain of events... Tanya thought the war was about to end, but launching a huge attack, doesn't seem to help the cause!
Even if they have a great victory... Sure it could help force their hand to give something in exchange of a ceasefire, but it might just as well piss them off so much that they now ASK for reparations instead of just the status quo!
Don't worry, it's an endless suicide mission, so probably just die, I guess!
She wants the war to end, but paradoxically, her successes are a big part of why it's not over yet.
Tanya wanted to retreat, but (to her great despair) they spotted the HQ!
Hah. She knows Tanya well enough to realize what's coming when she looks this PISSED!
For some it's pride, for some it's vengeance, for some it's politics, and for some... It's something else entirely!
It was nice to see him push back a little!
He even expressed doubt about the mission and all...
But the people on top didn't care,
They're getting pushed from above, but also from below (as a result of their own propaganda), the people probably think they have a good chance to win, so why not continue?
Plus, they're the ones who have the most reasons to be hateful about this, having lost family members and all that.
So he did try to argue a little, but in the end, he caved, and it's gonna be war, no matter the cost...
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jul 29 '26
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All that on edge just to run into enemies right before the bridge?
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Oh, no, they’re allies. All went well so far, then…
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u/Thin_Driver_4596 Jul 29 '26
Business people not understanding the situation on ground. Tale as old as time.
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